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« Reply #21100 on: March 07, 2018, 22:26:20 pm »

Considering the St Peters Way magic roundabout and the ‘new’ Sixfields link, I can’t believe this wasn’t built years ago. Even for this council it’s a no brainer to ease a lot of traffic congestion.

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« Reply #21101 on: March 08, 2018, 22:35:29 pm »

So as promised, I got a definitive answer on the 'plans' that the Trust board members had seen in the meeting with NBC.

As thought, they were effectively high level outline layouts of the site and the proposed boundaries. We've seen no artist's impressions of how the stand and surrounding area would look.

Hope that clarifies things.
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« Reply #21102 on: March 08, 2018, 23:09:59 pm »

So as promised, I got a definitive answer on the 'plans' that the Trust board members had seen in the meeting with NBC.

As thought, they were effectively high level outline layouts of the site and the proposed boundaries. We've seen no artist's impressions of how the stand and surrounding area would look.

Hope that clarifies things.
Many thanks for the update.
Does the NBC regard the NTFCST as a genuine independent body who they will make privy to instant updates as to any council land leases they generously make available to benefit the long term interests of the football club?

The Council have to take a lot of credit in helping us get back on our feet.
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« Reply #21103 on: March 09, 2018, 11:57:19 am »


The Council have to take a lot of credit in helping us get back on our feet.

Indeed - good job they ignored you about not parting with any grace or favour to us.........
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« Reply #21104 on: March 09, 2018, 12:27:32 pm »

Indeed - good job they ignored you about not parting with any grace or favour to us.........
councillor Macintosh also ignored mine and others request to have a public spending authority to over see the spend to ensure the towns football club get the best possible outcome.. that didnt work out too well.
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« Reply #21105 on: March 09, 2018, 16:41:44 pm »

I suppose the simple answer to that would be experience...

I'm not for one second challenging anyones perspective.But it's pretty safe to assume that most of us have watched or played football for years, so have a reasonable insight into the game. Where as not many people spend a lot of time around planning meetings/submissions, or indeed the legal aspects of building buildings.

I would have thought it more relevant questioning the credentials of those that are choosing to challenge Beds. I KNOW his assumptions are sometimes miles wide of the mark. But a lot of what he says has some genuine validity.
interesting post? I believe Beds has a genuine love for the club, also genuinely fears for its future, and is obviously very passionate about how the club should move forward. Beds has come under a lot of criticism from myself and others, and I begrudgingly admire the way Beds has gone toe to toe with everyone and couldn’t care less whether anyone agrees or not. So I have to admit, because of this, I do carry some affection for Beds.
However, Beds has been very vocal in the criticism of the current owners, which I have felt was at times a little unfair. Whilst I have myself wondered what their ownership would mean for the club in the long term, I am also appreciative of the intervention made which undoubtedly saved the club.
As a result, playing devils advocate and to emphasise the considerable difficulties regarding finance they may at times face, I have asked Beds how it is proposed the owners raise the capital to undertake a redevelopment project to fulfill the criteria set?
If Beds is to continue with the constant criticism and demands of the current owners I believe this was both a relevant and fair question? I asked Beds some specific questions which were mainly evaded and the response to date has been in my opinion nonsense, and at times completely unrealistic, to the point of embarrassing.
Despite appearances, I have no real interest in winning some hypothetical points scoring debate with Beds. However I think it reasonable that someone contest the more controversial statements levelled against the current owners such as “killing the club” by raising questions such as these?
Whist I felt your statement was also a little controversial, I am intrigued how you propose to do this? Therefore I am happy for you, and only you, to question my credentials on this particular subject should you wish? However, should you take it upon yourself do this I feel it would be reasonable that you also question Beds credentials and he or she take it upon themselves to respond in kind?
If nothing else it would perhaps give some credibility to the fact that matters may not be as simple as some would have us believe when it comes to financing a project such as the one proposed by Beds, or otherwise?

(I have put it into paragraphs to make it easier to read...) no problem, did it on my phone so always a tricky exercise. It ends up being an Olympic sport trying not to report your own post as spam.

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« Reply #21106 on: March 09, 2018, 17:10:05 pm »

councillor Macintosh also ignored mine and others request to have a public spending authority to over see the spend to ensure the towns football club get the best possible outcome.. that didnt work out too well.
now that is a very valid point of action and any reasonable person should have acted upon it.
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« Reply #21107 on: March 10, 2018, 00:17:06 am »

I suppose the simple answer to that would be experience...

I'm not for one second challenging anyones perspective.But it's pretty safe to assume that most of us have watched or played football for years, so have a reasonable insight into the game. Where as not many people spend a lot of time around planning meetings/submissions, or indeed the legal aspects of building buildings.


I would question the comparison for those of us that have played park football and perhaps coached some kids along the way with someone like JFH who has lived and breathed football since he was a kid. He's played to the very highest level and passed all the coaching badges, and they are a pretty tough.
It must be galling for him to hear butchers, bakers and candlestick makers that watch Match of the Day and go to games every week or so telling him he's tactically naive.
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« Reply #21108 on: March 10, 2018, 07:37:42 am »

Any news on the ground though?
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« Reply #21109 on: March 10, 2018, 13:46:25 pm »

Where's the £4m KT said he was going to spend ?
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« Reply #21110 on: March 10, 2018, 14:36:19 pm »

Where's the £4m KT said he was going to spend ?
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« Reply #21111 on: March 11, 2018, 23:47:22 pm »

Where's the £4m KT said he was going to spend ?
Don’t know KTs actual specific circumstances but from personal experience I can tell you this. As a business, it is easier to put a man on the moon than raise capital from the banks when most of your assets are in another country. Given he’s based in the US, I am wondering how he would get a deal for a loan of 4 million, especially with NTFCs likely profit margin and the other investors based in China? He’s clearly intending on doing it somehow, but assuming he doesn’t have assets to cover it in the UK I’m intrigued? This post financial crisis world is a nightmare to operate in and explains how the Cardozas were able to justify using the council for their loan? They would have had more chance of getting the money off the cat than the banks.
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« Reply #21112 on: March 12, 2018, 01:51:44 am »

I would question the comparison for those of us that have played park football and perhaps coached some kids along the way with someone like JFH who has lived and breathed football since he was a kid. He's played to the very highest level and passed all the coaching badges, and they are a pretty tough.
It must be galling for him to hear butchers, bakers and candlestick makers that watch Match of the Day and go to games every week or so telling him he's tactically naive.


Absolutely spot on. The "experience" Terry alludes to I find a little odd. After 35 years of working on large scale commercial developments I wouldn't say my knowledge was in football, similarly to many supporters, their "experience" lies away from football. Neither would I admit to being involved with any planning decisions made within the County considering their propensity to make some of the most ridiculous and short sighted decisions. The examples are numerous. Sixfields included.
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« Reply #21113 on: March 12, 2018, 12:32:10 pm »

I would question the comparison for those of us that have played park football and perhaps coached some kids along the way with someone like JFH who has lived and breathed football since he was a kid. He's played to the very highest level and passed all the coaching badges, and they are a pretty tough.
It must be galling for him to hear butchers, bakers and candlestick makers that watch Match of the Day and go to games every week or so telling him he's tactically naive.


What a great post - be interesting to see the ‘experts’ on here particularly those who criticise JFH at any given
opportunity. Forsee a great debate coming up!!
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« Reply #21114 on: March 12, 2018, 15:59:22 pm »

I would question the comparison for those of us that have played park football and perhaps coached some kids along the way with someone like JFH who has lived and breathed football since he was a kid. He's played to the very highest level and passed all the coaching badges, and they are a pretty tough.
It must be galling for him to hear butchers, bakers and candlestick makers that watch Match of the Day and go to games every week or so telling him he's tactically naive.


I'm sure like any professional JFH wouldn't welcome the intrusion. But the result of his thoughts and methods are on public display, and to some degree lend themselves to interpretation. Where as planning is yet to become a spectator sport, or indeed something that could be participated in unless it was/is your job.

Like I have said many times before. I don't share the sometimes rude and unecessary view of Beds that some do. But there is no point in pretending he has anything other than a tenious grasp of the procedural and financal aspects of the redevelopment. I believe his attempts to illicit a decent response from the club and his overall intentions are commendable. He has steadfastly refused to be swayed on what he perceives as malingering and misinformation. He could we be proved to be right.
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« Reply #21115 on: March 12, 2018, 16:20:42 pm »

I'm sure like any professional JFH wouldn't welcome the intrusion. But the result of his thoughts and methods are on public display, and to some degree lend themselves to interpretation. Where as planning is yet to become a spectator sport, or indeed something that could be participated in unless it was/is your job.

Like I have said many times before. I don't share the sometimes rude and unecessary view of Beds that some do. But there is no point in pretending he has anything other than a tenious grasp of the procedural and financal aspects of the redevelopment. I believe his attempts to illicit a decent response from the club and his overall intentions are commendable. He has steadfastly refused to be swayed on what he perceives as malingering and misinformation. He could we be proved to be right.

I have always thought that some posters reaction to Beds has or is sometimes worse than rude. On the other hand, he does resort to inflammatory comments on KT which of course distracts from his campaign. There are some merits in his campaign but some have legitimately like Deepcut and Marquis have called into question some of his specific proposals on costs.It is those type of criticisms in which Beds seems reluctant to explain away.
Anyway, my view for what its worth is that no Redev Plans will be issued until our fate in League 1 is known.
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« Reply #21116 on: March 12, 2018, 18:59:12 pm »

Don’t know KTs actual specific circumstances but from personal experience I can tell you this. As a business, it is easier to put a man on the moon than raise capital from the banks when most of your assets are in another country. Given he’s based in the US, I am wondering how he would get a deal for a loan of 4 million, especially with NTFCs likely profit margin and the other investors based in China? He’s clearly intending on doing it somehow, but assuming he doesn’t have assets to cover it in the UK I’m intrigued? This post financial crisis world is a nightmare to operate in and explains how the Cardozas were able to justify using the council for their loan? They would have had more chance of getting the money off the cat than the banks.
KT said they had the money to spend no loans.
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« Reply #21117 on: March 12, 2018, 19:04:14 pm »

Did he though??

He said he had £1m to inject immediately and the stand and everything else would take it to £4m....did the other £3m ever materialise??

See the last paragraph....

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11750/10079475/kelvin-thomas-completes-takeover-of-northampton-town
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« Reply #21118 on: March 12, 2018, 19:07:17 pm »

IF IF IF! the statement that the Council will make a decision on the leases by the end of March (2018?), we do not have long to wait for KT to announce his plans and timescale for the £3 million he has ready to use.

Anybody see any pigs flying around!!!

Although I STILL live in hope.
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« Reply #21119 on: March 12, 2018, 20:44:29 pm »

Did he though??

He said he had £1m to inject immediately and the stand and everything else would take it to £4m....did the other £3m ever materialise??

See the last paragraph....

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11750/10079475/kelvin-thomas-completes-takeover-of-northampton-town

That’s probably been spent on the managers and huge wage bill.
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All he had to do was build a stand.
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