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« Reply #21540 on: April 16, 2018, 13:17:46 pm »

But surely the position is clear as day? The club have provided the paperwork and legal representation to NBC to normalise the lease issue on the land. This has been with NBC since December, with no reply. Action on NBC to explain WTF is going on??
The issued statement says "In the last month, the Trust has held meetings with both the council and the football club, and we are at the stage now where we are being told conflicting information as to who needs to take the next step to conclude these matters".
    This says its not "as clear as day"
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« Reply #21541 on: April 16, 2018, 14:28:16 pm »

Groundhog Day , the very same happened under Cardoza "I want to develop but they wont let me"  council "nothing stopping you from developing"  someones being economical with the truth, what we need is a march from the Guildhall and call for answers,the last one went well didn't it  Grin.  incidentally when that was organised it was categorically stated that it wasn't anything to do with the trust, reason unknown
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« Reply #21542 on: April 16, 2018, 15:24:47 pm »

The issued statement says "In the last month, the Trust has held meetings with both the council and the football club, and we are at the stage now where we are being told conflicting information as to who needs to take the next step to conclude these matters".
    This says its not "as clear as day"


But the trust met with the council previously did they not? and the council acknowledged that there was a task that they were responsible for completing? and that they hoped to have it completed by the end of march?

So have the council now changed their mind?
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« Reply #21543 on: April 16, 2018, 16:28:18 pm »

All these questions are why we've called the meeting.
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« Reply #21544 on: April 16, 2018, 17:26:48 pm »

its probably nearer several thousand as Ive been forced to change poster name a few times pver this last 13 years  Grin
No, you haven't. You've deleted your own account and re-signed up a number of times over the past 13 years. You haven't been "forced" to do anything.
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« Reply #21545 on: April 16, 2018, 17:29:55 pm »

All these questions are why we've called the meeting.
We must have a definitive list of what it is we need to exploit the vast catchment area at our disposal in order to finally build up our club, minimal requirements is a 3000 capacity increase and the east stand fully fitted out.
Mainly to give the place a more professional and enticing leisure prospect to new customers.
We also need a list of whatever is being offered up by those seeking to profit from land leases etc, these must be made available for acceptance of all supporters, its trust and general public of Northampton before any negotiations with the Borough council commence ... why the hell would we bother meeting them without any of this in place?
If its as I  suspect we get offered an embarrasing small amount of redev dressed up as a major project with fanciful figures but will be nothing more than a token gesture, we must resist and avoid the council handing over valuble leases that wont fully benefit NTFC that will be regretted for decades.
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« Reply #21546 on: April 16, 2018, 17:31:30 pm »

Good posts Tel…

I speak as an individual here when I say Id like some significant pressure put on KT unless things dramatically change in the coming few weeks. Weeks not months.

We (Trust) do of course have to get our facts right though first, can't go around announcing 'news' if its not totally concrete. Thats what we are trying to establish Sir.

Of course the timing of all of this has coincided with a full on battle to stay in this division, something that was quite possible only about 3 weeks ago.

I've got my own views on KT, and currently they are far from positive. But thats me being a cynical bugger!  Grin



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« Reply #21547 on: April 16, 2018, 18:10:53 pm »

We must have a definitive list of what it is we need to exploit the vast catchment area at our disposal in order to finally build up our club, minimal requirements is a 3000 capacity increase and the east stand fully fitted out.
Mainly to give the place a more professional and enticing leisure prospect to new customers.


Agreed...  Wink
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« Reply #21548 on: April 16, 2018, 18:42:24 pm »

We must have a definitive list of what it is we need to exploit the vast catchment area at our disposal in order to finally build up our club, minimal requirements is a 3000 capacity increase and the east stand fully fitted out.
Mainly to give the place a more professional and enticing leisure prospect to new customers.
We also need a list of whatever is being offered up by those seeking to profit from land leases etc, these must be made available for acceptance of all supporters, its trust and general public of Northampton before any negotiations with the Borough council commence ... why the hell would we bother meeting them without any of this in place?
If its as I  suspect we get offered an embarrasing small amount of redev dressed up as a major project with fanciful figures but will be nothing more than a token gesture, we must resist and avoid the council handing over valuble leases that wont fully benefit NTFC that will be regretted for decades.


Which leases do you think they are going to give away? From my albeit limited understanding is the delay from the council is clarification on the boundarys of leases already held by NTFCV and CDNL not new ones being handed over. Surely you don't think the council can be that stupid again? Oh hold on it is NBC so they could be.
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« Reply #21549 on: April 16, 2018, 19:00:47 pm »

Which leases do you think they are going to give away? From my albeit limited understanding is the delay from the council is clarification on the boundarys of leases already held by NTFCV and CDNL not new ones being handed over. Surely you don't think the council can be that stupid again? Oh hold on it is NBC so they could be.
More worried about our football club being served yet another bum deal from whatever it is thats being battled over that leads me to believe we need to have a strong voice in which to demand hard that we get a great deal.
We need to come out of it with knowing what we get is the very best outcome which will need an awful lot of openess and honesty.
All cards on the table.
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« Reply #21550 on: April 16, 2018, 19:25:59 pm »

More worried about our football club being served yet another bum deal from whatever it is thats being battled over that leads me to believe we need to have a strong voice in which to demand hard that we get a great deal.
We need to come out of it with knowing what we get is the very best outcome which will need an awful lot of openess and honesty.
All cards on the table.

It will be a cold day in hell before you see a council member lay anything on the table he doesn't have to. They showed themselves to be complete títs last time and they hopefully are going to try their best not to do the same this time, but I wouldn't count on it.
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« Reply #21551 on: April 17, 2018, 06:24:00 am »

It will be a cold day in hell before you see a council member lay anything on the table he doesn't have to. They showed themselves to be complete títs last time and they hopefully are going to try their best not to do the same this time, but I wouldn't count on it.
Again all guess work and supposition on my part, but I fear the council will be put into a corner by our clubs supporters trust /support base  demanding they facilitate this latest consortium to take control of land leases in order to allow our football club some unconditional  enabling monies from this windfall, that will be pitiful in the extreme, but happily accepted on our behalf by close friends of KT and co instead of hard negotiations for a pre agreed minimum acceptable amount by our supporters.
Nothing now but retaining these adjacent grounds for the future is a better option than accepting a token gesture and a lost golden oppertunity.
Basically those too cozy with this regime must be hooked from any negotiations.
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« Reply #21552 on: April 17, 2018, 07:33:49 am »

Both KT and NBC deserve criticism because neither has come forward and said in plain language what still needs to be done.  All we have been told is that the leases drawn up by the council contain overlapping boundaries. If that is the case it shouldn't take long to sort out and certainly not this long.  The suspicion is that there is more to this than meets the eye and just as with 5USport KT is proving to be very slow at coming forward.  We have had a season of silence from him. he is not doing very well.  On the other hand if it is the council then he should have no problem in establishing that he is not the cause of the delay. 

Beds is a soft target for many on this site but it should occur to you he may be right about the risk of our owners making a big profit from the CDNL and disappearing.  I am sure the Trust is aware of the risk but we await their views on this.
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« Reply #21553 on: April 17, 2018, 08:04:14 am »

On NTFC announcing the partnership with 5USPORTS

“We have agreed initially there will be an increase in the playing budget, plus also a budget for the purchases of younger players who can be developed and improved. We have also agreed levels of investment into other areas of the club including the East Stand and other development areas"

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2017/june/5usport/

Given the problems caused by a lack of information from the Cardoza camp on their attempt at redevelopment it is problematic that so much is still unknown about Thomas and Bower's plans.

How are they planning to bridge the gap from 5USports investment into the East Stand and do the "other development areas" and/or a wider "masterplan" still exist?

Otherwise an explanation into lack of detail on the project with valid reasons would be helpful.
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« Reply #21554 on: April 17, 2018, 08:15:14 am »

Very diplomatically put, meccano, but maybe the time to take off the gloves is fast approaching.  The lack of information from the club has to be a matter for serious concern.  I stress the word information not the usual flannel from KT.
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« Reply #21555 on: April 17, 2018, 08:33:14 am »

Very diplomatically put, meccano, but maybe the time to take off the gloves is fast approaching.  The lack of information from the club has to be a matter for serious concern.  I stress the word information not the usual flannel from KT.

The board deserve the benefit of the doubt within reason.
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« Reply #21556 on: April 17, 2018, 08:40:30 am »

The board deserve the benefit of the doubt within reason.
I think they had that in spades TBH mate.
It's been a horrific season both on and off the field, 3 different managers and 2 different owners all in a shroud of silence, I think it's time for a protest if theirs no information before the last game of the season.
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« Reply #21557 on: April 17, 2018, 09:36:39 am »

Again all guess work and supposition on my part, but I fear the council will be put into a corner by our clubs supporters trust /support base  demanding they facilitate this latest consortium to take control of land leases in order to allow our football club some unconditional  enabling monies from this windfall, that will be pitiful in the extreme, but happily accepted on our behalf by close friends of KT and co instead of hard negotiations for a pre agreed minimum acceptable amount by our supporters.
Nothing now but retaining these adjacent grounds for the future is a better option than accepting a token gesture and a lost golden oppertunity.
Basically those too cozy with this regime must be hooked from any negotiations.

How much would you consider the pre agreed minimum acceptable amount?
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« Reply #21558 on: April 17, 2018, 12:34:01 pm »

How much would you consider the pre agreed minimum acceptable amount?
Enough to fit out the east stand to an acceptable level for corperate and other match day requirements  and increase the capacity by 3000, so £1.5m for the east and similar for a bank of terracing built above the south stand seats.
If they can agree to do that let them fill their boots.
If not resist them.
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« Reply #21559 on: April 17, 2018, 12:59:24 pm »

Enough to fit out the east stand to an acceptable level for corperate and other match day requirements  and increase the capacity by 3000, so £1.5m for the east and similar for a bank of terracing built above the south stand seats.
If they can agree to do that let them fill their boots.
If not resist them.
The thing is Fez. Can you resist them?  Tongue Oooer.
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