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« Reply #21520 on: April 15, 2018, 23:05:52 pm »

This is where you and me absolutely concur. The first thing the Trust should do before doing anything for KT is ballot its membership on what action they intend to take about not having a seat on the board. For the Trust to be considered as anything other than a total paper tiger it needs that huge issue resolving first.

In addition to this. If the Trust has been told what the discrepancy is between what NTFC and the council are saying, and are not revealing this to its membership, then I'm afraid their place as an advocate of the supporters is lost. Whilst I believe a degree of discretion is wise. This should not extend any further than it already has. I would suggest that it is high time the Trust divulge what they know, and let those they advocate for be the judges of whether or not they are happy with either the club or the council.
Couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #21521 on: April 16, 2018, 00:50:54 am »

This is where you and me absolutely concur. The first thing the Trust should do before doing anything for KT is ballot its membership on what action they intend to take about not having a seat on the board. For the Trust to be considered as anything other than a total paper tiger it needs that huge issue resolving first.

In addition to this. If the Trust has been told what the discrepancy is between what NTFC and the council are saying, and are not revealing this to its membership, then I'm afraid their place as an advocate of the supporters is lost. Whilst I believe a degree of discretion is wise. This should not extend any further than it already has. I would suggest that it is high time the Trust divulge what they know, and let those they advocate for be the judges of whether or not they are happy with either the club or the council.
Thanks for the feedback Nigel. I shall pass it on.

All I can say is that we're trying to establish as much information as we can, hence we're calling for this meeting. Once we all have that, then I'm sure we'll be all ears.
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« Reply #21522 on: April 16, 2018, 01:16:59 am »

This is where you and me absolutely concur. The first thing the Trust should do before doing anything for KT is ballot its membership on what action they intend to take about not having a seat on the board. For the Trust to be considered as anything other than a total paper tiger it needs that huge issue resolving first.

In addition to this. If the Trust has been told what the discrepancy is between what NTFC and the council are saying, and are not revealing this to its membership, then I'm afraid their place as an advocate of the supporters is lost. Whilst I believe a degree of discretion is wise. This should not extend any further than it already has. I would suggest that it is high time the Trust divulge what they know, and let those they advocate for be the judges of whether or not they are happy with either the club or the council.

A feature of a Capitalist Society is that the people with the money do what they want.

The people with nothing will remain with nothing, however many sweets are thrown from the balconies of the Palaces.

The folks of the Trust are doing a Sterling job, given the current climate.

A change of the current situation requires a Benefactor with enough millions to buy a say on the Board.

Else, "Goodnight Vienna".

At least, where things are, we have a situation where a voice is heard in the upper Echelons.  But, to think that anything else is feasible is, to be honest, fantasy land.

The "Owners" of the football club are in it for money.  That is the political landscape which this country has voted for in the last however many General Elections.  That is the reality..... and for the Owners, the word "Reality" is very important.  (Check your dictionaries).

Without the "Trust", what supporters' body is there?

With the Trust, how does one overthrow Capitalism and gain a voice?

The Paper Tiger is not the Trust, it is this Message Board.  I read nothing but meaningless waffle on this Board - lots of people prepared to say "he should do this", or "they should do that".

Get off your ferking fat arses and ferking do something, you load of s***e.

All you ferking tossers out there in Internet land, sitting behind your keyboards giving it the "You should do this"!, and "You didn't do that".  To use Defender's keyboard:  YOU ARE THE REASON WHY THIS CLUB IS GOING DOWN THE PAN.  YOU ARE A BUNCH OF WASTERS.  i WILL TAKE EVERYONE OF YOU ON, ONE BY ONE, IN A UFC RING, AND YOU'LL ALL BE PISSING YOUR PANTS WHEN YOU SEE ME.  AND THAT WILL NOT BE THROUGH LAUGHTER...... GROW SOME BALLS AND FERKING FIGHT FOR REAL, NOT WITH TWERKING PRETTY WORDS ON A KEYBOARD".

Message understood?

Anyone happy to meet me, face to face on this issue?Huh?Huh?

Anyone want to support the Trust and get a consolidated message across?

What a load of useless keyboard tigers you lot really are......
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« Reply #21523 on: April 16, 2018, 01:27:56 am »

A feature of a Capitalist Society is that the people with the money do what they want.

The people with nothing will remain with nothing, however many sweets are thrown from the balconies of the Palaces.

The folks of the Trust are doing a Sterling job, given the current climate.

A change of the current situation requires a Benefactor with enough millions to buy a say on the Board.

Else, "Goodnight Vienna".

At least, where things are, we have a situation where a voice is heard in the upper Echelons.  But, to think that anything else is feasible is, to be honest, fantasy land.

The "Owners" of the football club are in it for money.  That is the political landscape which this country has voted for in the last however many General Elections.  That is the reality..... and for the Owners, the word "Reality" is very important.  (Check your dictionaries).

Without the "Trust", what supporters' body is there?

With the Trust, how does one overthrow Capitalism and gain a voice?

The Paper Tiger is not the Trust, it is this Message Board.  I read nothing but meaningless waffle on this Board - lots of people prepared to say "he should do this", or "they should do that".

Get off your ferking fat arses and ferking do something, you load of s***e.

All you ferking tossers out there in Internet land, sitting behind your keyboards giving it the "You should do this"!, and "You didn't do that".  To use Defender's keyboard:  YOU ARE THE REASON WHY THIS CLUB IS GOING DOWN THE PAN.  YOU ARE A BUNCH OF WASTERS.  i WILL TAKE EVERYONE OF YOU ON, ONE BY ONE, IN A UFC RING, AND YOU'LL ALL BE PISSING YOUR PANTS WHEN YOU SEE ME.  AND THAT WILL NOT BE THROUGH LAUGHTER...... GROW SOME BALLS AND FERKING FIGHT FOR REAL, NOT WITH TWERKING PRETTY WORDS ON A KEYBOARD".

Message understood?

Anyone happy to meet me, face to face on this issue?Huh?Huh?

Anyone want to support the Trust and get a consolidated message across?

What a load of useless keyboard tigers you lot really are......

Someone's been on the pop Embarrassed
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« Reply #21524 on: April 16, 2018, 01:30:44 am »

Someone's been on the pop Embarrassed

Surprisingly, yes.  I'm TT.

So, the post was in all seriousness......    Grin
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« Reply #21525 on: April 16, 2018, 06:56:31 am »

A feature of a Capitalist Society is that the people with the money do what they want.

The people with nothing will remain with nothing, however many sweets are thrown from the balconies of the Palaces.

The folks of the Trust are doing a Sterling job, given the current climate.

A change of the current situation requires a Benefactor with enough millions to buy a say on the Board.

Else, "Goodnight Vienna".

At least, where things are, we have a situation where a voice is heard in the upper Echelons.  But, to think that anything else is feasible is, to be honest, fantasy land.

The "Owners" of the football club are in it for money.  That is the political landscape which this country has voted for in the last however many General Elections.  That is the reality..... and for the Owners, the word "Reality" is very important.  (Check your dictionaries).

Without the "Trust", what supporters' body is there?

With the Trust, how does one overthrow Capitalism and gain a voice?

The Paper Tiger is not the Trust, it is this Message Board.  I read nothing but meaningless waffle on this Board - lots of people prepared to say "he should do this", or "they should do that".

Get off your ferking fat arses and ferking do something, you load of s***e.

All you ferking tossers out there in Internet land, sitting behind your keyboards giving it the "You should do this"!, and "You didn't do that".  To use Defender's keyboard:  YOU ARE THE REASON WHY THIS CLUB IS GOING DOWN THE PAN.  YOU ARE A BUNCH OF WASTERS.  i WILL TAKE EVERYONE OF YOU ON, ONE BY ONE, IN A UFC RING, AND YOU'LL ALL BE PISSING YOUR PANTS WHEN YOU SEE ME.  AND THAT WILL NOT BE THROUGH LAUGHTER...... GROW SOME BALLS AND FERKING FIGHT FOR REAL, NOT WITH TWERKING PRETTY WORDS ON A KEYBOARD".

Message understood?

Anyone happy to meet me, face to face on this issue?Huh?Huh?

Anyone want to support the Trust and get a consolidated message across?

What a load of useless keyboard tigers you lot really are......
Well, I was with you during the first half of that Overs, although the second half did seem to go off on a bit of a tangent?
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« Reply #21526 on: April 16, 2018, 07:49:01 am »

I thought the first part of the post was ok Oversees, then you turned into a keyboard warrior.
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« Reply #21527 on: April 16, 2018, 11:18:33 am »

A feature of a Capitalist Society is that the people with the money do what they want.

The people with nothing will remain with nothing, however many sweets are thrown from the balconies of the Palaces.

The folks of the Trust are doing a Sterling job, given the current climate.

A change of the current situation requires a Benefactor with enough millions to buy a say on the Board.

Else, "Goodnight Vienna".

At least, where things are, we have a situation where a voice is heard in the upper Echelons.  But, to think that anything else is feasible is, to be honest, fantasy land.

The "Owners" of the football club are in it for money.  That is the political landscape which this country has voted for in the last however many General Elections.  That is the reality..... and for the Owners, the word "Reality" is very important.  (Check your dictionaries).

Without the "Trust", what supporters' body is there?

With the Trust, how does one overthrow Capitalism and gain a voice?

The Paper Tiger is not the Trust, it is this Message Board.  I read nothing but meaningless waffle on this Board - lots of people prepared to say "he should do this", or "they should do that".

Get off your ferking fat arses and ferking do something, you load of s***e.

All you ferking tossers out there in Internet land, sitting behind your keyboards giving it the "You should do this"!, and "You didn't do that".  To use Defender's keyboard:  YOU ARE THE REASON WHY THIS CLUB IS GOING DOWN THE PAN.  YOU ARE A BUNCH OF WASTERS.  i WILL TAKE EVERYONE OF YOU ON, ONE BY ONE, IN A UFC RING, AND YOU'LL ALL BE PISSING YOUR PANTS WHEN YOU SEE ME.  AND THAT WILL NOT BE THROUGH LAUGHTER...... GROW SOME BALLS AND FERKING FIGHT FOR REAL, NOT WITH TWERKING PRETTY WORDS ON A KEYBOARD".

Message understood?

Anyone happy to meet me, face to face on this issue?Huh?Huh?

Anyone want to support the Trust and get a consolidated message across?

What a load of useless keyboard tigers you lot really are......

Happy to catch up at some pint of shandy, or lemonade in your case. But I will try to put across my concerns.

For the Trust to be effective it has to have the main body of the support behind it. Not so much a reflection of this site, but more a reflection of how it represents us overall. My sentiments are quite simple. If there are mixed messages from both sides of the fence, then report that. If you are not convinced that the "capitalists" are playing fair, then report that. By all means go out on a limb and have an opinion. Brian Lomax was all about letting the facts out in the open, and allowing the supporters to deal with them as they see fit.

I believe the initial damage that was inflicted on the Trust, was by the closeness of DC to them. That has no reflection on the current Trust board, as that relationship was fostered by Tony Clarke. However, the Trust genuinely struggled to gain any serious traction at board level post that era. Under KT it has suffered another significant blow in terms of the loss of the seat on the board. So where is it now, and what is it's thoughts on the current situation? The truth is, I don't know. As a member of the Trust, and a very long term sufferer supporter of the club, I'm in the dark. Now... If the Trust know more about the current situation than I do, then share it with me and perhaps then I can get off my "ferking fat arse"  Kiss and help. I have gone out of my way to fight what I see as wrong over the years at NTFC. And I am still involved in that from the perspective of what DC did to us. But there is fcuk all I can do if I am not given the facts.

I have no axe to grind with the Trust. Just report back what is being said. Every detail. Do not enter a meeting, unless you can immediately report back the contents of that meeting. If the council say DC is to blame.. Then report it. If KT says it's the Council, then report it. I cannot see a place where the Trust will do anything other than get it's fingers burnt if there is anything more than total candour. Like I say. I have asked to meet with those that were present at the meetings. I will ask at the start of the meeting if they are happy for me to report back anything that has been said. If they say no, then I will leave and state that they wish for some information to remain confidential. Then you, me and everyone elese can at least draw there own conclusions from it. Equally... If they want me to help them. I'm available.
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« Reply #21528 on: April 16, 2018, 11:40:26 am »

Thanks for the feedback Nigel. I shall pass it on.

All I can say is that we're trying to establish as much information as we can, hence we're calling for this meeting. Once we all have that, then I'm sure we'll be all ears.

But surely the position is clear as day? The club have provided the paperwork and legal representation to NBC to normalise the lease issue on the land. This has been with NBC since December, with no reply. Action on NBC to explain WTF is going on??
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« Reply #21529 on: April 16, 2018, 13:17:46 pm »

But surely the position is clear as day? The club have provided the paperwork and legal representation to NBC to normalise the lease issue on the land. This has been with NBC since December, with no reply. Action on NBC to explain WTF is going on??
The issued statement says "In the last month, the Trust has held meetings with both the council and the football club, and we are at the stage now where we are being told conflicting information as to who needs to take the next step to conclude these matters".
    This says its not "as clear as day"
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« Reply #21530 on: April 16, 2018, 14:28:16 pm »

Groundhog Day , the very same happened under Cardoza "I want to develop but they wont let me"  council "nothing stopping you from developing"  someones being economical with the truth, what we need is a march from the Guildhall and call for answers,the last one went well didn't it  Grin.  incidentally when that was organised it was categorically stated that it wasn't anything to do with the trust, reason unknown
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« Reply #21531 on: April 16, 2018, 15:24:47 pm »

The issued statement says "In the last month, the Trust has held meetings with both the council and the football club, and we are at the stage now where we are being told conflicting information as to who needs to take the next step to conclude these matters".
    This says its not "as clear as day"


But the trust met with the council previously did they not? and the council acknowledged that there was a task that they were responsible for completing? and that they hoped to have it completed by the end of march?

So have the council now changed their mind?
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« Reply #21532 on: April 16, 2018, 16:28:18 pm »

All these questions are why we've called the meeting.
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« Reply #21533 on: April 16, 2018, 17:26:48 pm »

its probably nearer several thousand as Ive been forced to change poster name a few times pver this last 13 years  Grin
No, you haven't. You've deleted your own account and re-signed up a number of times over the past 13 years. You haven't been "forced" to do anything.
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« Reply #21534 on: April 16, 2018, 17:29:55 pm »

All these questions are why we've called the meeting.
We must have a definitive list of what it is we need to exploit the vast catchment area at our disposal in order to finally build up our club, minimal requirements is a 3000 capacity increase and the east stand fully fitted out.
Mainly to give the place a more professional and enticing leisure prospect to new customers.
We also need a list of whatever is being offered up by those seeking to profit from land leases etc, these must be made available for acceptance of all supporters, its trust and general public of Northampton before any negotiations with the Borough council commence ... why the hell would we bother meeting them without any of this in place?
If its as I  suspect we get offered an embarrasing small amount of redev dressed up as a major project with fanciful figures but will be nothing more than a token gesture, we must resist and avoid the council handing over valuble leases that wont fully benefit NTFC that will be regretted for decades.
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« Reply #21535 on: April 16, 2018, 17:31:30 pm »

Good posts Tel…

I speak as an individual here when I say Id like some significant pressure put on KT unless things dramatically change in the coming few weeks. Weeks not months.

We (Trust) do of course have to get our facts right though first, can't go around announcing 'news' if its not totally concrete. Thats what we are trying to establish Sir.

Of course the timing of all of this has coincided with a full on battle to stay in this division, something that was quite possible only about 3 weeks ago.

I've got my own views on KT, and currently they are far from positive. But thats me being a cynical bugger!  Grin



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« Reply #21536 on: April 16, 2018, 18:10:53 pm »

We must have a definitive list of what it is we need to exploit the vast catchment area at our disposal in order to finally build up our club, minimal requirements is a 3000 capacity increase and the east stand fully fitted out.
Mainly to give the place a more professional and enticing leisure prospect to new customers.


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« Reply #21537 on: April 16, 2018, 18:42:24 pm »

We must have a definitive list of what it is we need to exploit the vast catchment area at our disposal in order to finally build up our club, minimal requirements is a 3000 capacity increase and the east stand fully fitted out.
Mainly to give the place a more professional and enticing leisure prospect to new customers.
We also need a list of whatever is being offered up by those seeking to profit from land leases etc, these must be made available for acceptance of all supporters, its trust and general public of Northampton before any negotiations with the Borough council commence ... why the hell would we bother meeting them without any of this in place?
If its as I  suspect we get offered an embarrasing small amount of redev dressed up as a major project with fanciful figures but will be nothing more than a token gesture, we must resist and avoid the council handing over valuble leases that wont fully benefit NTFC that will be regretted for decades.


Which leases do you think they are going to give away? From my albeit limited understanding is the delay from the council is clarification on the boundarys of leases already held by NTFCV and CDNL not new ones being handed over. Surely you don't think the council can be that stupid again? Oh hold on it is NBC so they could be.
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« Reply #21538 on: April 16, 2018, 19:00:47 pm »

Which leases do you think they are going to give away? From my albeit limited understanding is the delay from the council is clarification on the boundarys of leases already held by NTFCV and CDNL not new ones being handed over. Surely you don't think the council can be that stupid again? Oh hold on it is NBC so they could be.
More worried about our football club being served yet another bum deal from whatever it is thats being battled over that leads me to believe we need to have a strong voice in which to demand hard that we get a great deal.
We need to come out of it with knowing what we get is the very best outcome which will need an awful lot of openess and honesty.
All cards on the table.
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« Reply #21539 on: April 16, 2018, 19:25:59 pm »

More worried about our football club being served yet another bum deal from whatever it is thats being battled over that leads me to believe we need to have a strong voice in which to demand hard that we get a great deal.
We need to come out of it with knowing what we get is the very best outcome which will need an awful lot of openess and honesty.
All cards on the table.

It will be a cold day in hell before you see a council member lay anything on the table he doesn't have to. They showed themselves to be complete títs last time and they hopefully are going to try their best not to do the same this time, but I wouldn't count on it.
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