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« Reply #21540 on: April 17, 2018, 06:24:00 am »

It will be a cold day in hell before you see a council member lay anything on the table he doesn't have to. They showed themselves to be complete títs last time and they hopefully are going to try their best not to do the same this time, but I wouldn't count on it.
Again all guess work and supposition on my part, but I fear the council will be put into a corner by our clubs supporters trust /support base  demanding they facilitate this latest consortium to take control of land leases in order to allow our football club some unconditional  enabling monies from this windfall, that will be pitiful in the extreme, but happily accepted on our behalf by close friends of KT and co instead of hard negotiations for a pre agreed minimum acceptable amount by our supporters.
Nothing now but retaining these adjacent grounds for the future is a better option than accepting a token gesture and a lost golden oppertunity.
Basically those too cozy with this regime must be hooked from any negotiations.
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« Reply #21541 on: April 17, 2018, 07:33:49 am »

Both KT and NBC deserve criticism because neither has come forward and said in plain language what still needs to be done.  All we have been told is that the leases drawn up by the council contain overlapping boundaries. If that is the case it shouldn't take long to sort out and certainly not this long.  The suspicion is that there is more to this than meets the eye and just as with 5USport KT is proving to be very slow at coming forward.  We have had a season of silence from him. he is not doing very well.  On the other hand if it is the council then he should have no problem in establishing that he is not the cause of the delay. 

Beds is a soft target for many on this site but it should occur to you he may be right about the risk of our owners making a big profit from the CDNL and disappearing.  I am sure the Trust is aware of the risk but we await their views on this.
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« Reply #21542 on: April 17, 2018, 08:04:14 am »

On NTFC announcing the partnership with 5USPORTS

“We have agreed initially there will be an increase in the playing budget, plus also a budget for the purchases of younger players who can be developed and improved. We have also agreed levels of investment into other areas of the club including the East Stand and other development areas"

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2017/june/5usport/

Given the problems caused by a lack of information from the Cardoza camp on their attempt at redevelopment it is problematic that so much is still unknown about Thomas and Bower's plans.

How are they planning to bridge the gap from 5USports investment into the East Stand and do the "other development areas" and/or a wider "masterplan" still exist?

Otherwise an explanation into lack of detail on the project with valid reasons would be helpful.
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« Reply #21543 on: April 17, 2018, 08:15:14 am »

Very diplomatically put, meccano, but maybe the time to take off the gloves is fast approaching.  The lack of information from the club has to be a matter for serious concern.  I stress the word information not the usual flannel from KT.
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« Reply #21544 on: April 17, 2018, 08:33:14 am »

Very diplomatically put, meccano, but maybe the time to take off the gloves is fast approaching.  The lack of information from the club has to be a matter for serious concern.  I stress the word information not the usual flannel from KT.

The board deserve the benefit of the doubt within reason.
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« Reply #21545 on: April 17, 2018, 08:40:30 am »

The board deserve the benefit of the doubt within reason.
I think they had that in spades TBH mate.
It's been a horrific season both on and off the field, 3 different managers and 2 different owners all in a shroud of silence, I think it's time for a protest if theirs no information before the last game of the season.
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« Reply #21546 on: April 17, 2018, 09:36:39 am »

Again all guess work and supposition on my part, but I fear the council will be put into a corner by our clubs supporters trust /support base  demanding they facilitate this latest consortium to take control of land leases in order to allow our football club some unconditional  enabling monies from this windfall, that will be pitiful in the extreme, but happily accepted on our behalf by close friends of KT and co instead of hard negotiations for a pre agreed minimum acceptable amount by our supporters.
Nothing now but retaining these adjacent grounds for the future is a better option than accepting a token gesture and a lost golden oppertunity.
Basically those too cozy with this regime must be hooked from any negotiations.

How much would you consider the pre agreed minimum acceptable amount?
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« Reply #21547 on: April 17, 2018, 12:34:01 pm »

How much would you consider the pre agreed minimum acceptable amount?
Enough to fit out the east stand to an acceptable level for corperate and other match day requirements  and increase the capacity by 3000, so £1.5m for the east and similar for a bank of terracing built above the south stand seats.
If they can agree to do that let them fill their boots.
If not resist them.
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« Reply #21548 on: April 17, 2018, 12:59:24 pm »

Enough to fit out the east stand to an acceptable level for corperate and other match day requirements  and increase the capacity by 3000, so £1.5m for the east and similar for a bank of terracing built above the south stand seats.
If they can agree to do that let them fill their boots.
If not resist them.
The thing is Fez. Can you resist them?  Tongue Oooer.
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« Reply #21549 on: April 17, 2018, 13:19:27 pm »

Enough to fit out the east stand to an acceptable level for corperate and other match day requirements  and increase the capacity by 3000, so £1.5m for the east and similar for a bank of terracing built above the south stand seats.
If they can agree to do that let them fill their boots.
If not resist them.

A 3000 capacity terrace above the South Stand and the 'acceptable' completion of the East Stand for £3M?
Are you making up numbers again?
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« Reply #21550 on: April 17, 2018, 13:43:30 pm »

A bank of 3000 terracing is never going to happen ever, put the top tier on the south stand and finish off the east as best as possible
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« Reply #21551 on: April 17, 2018, 14:00:42 pm »

Kelvin said last week that there is no business case at present to expand capacity to 10/12000 when questioned...therefore forget anything other than the boxes being put into the East Stand.

Banks of terracing, second tiers on stands....forget it!!

When KT says there's no business case, but at the same times goes on about waiting for the council......ask yourself for what are we waiting?Huh?

We know we are waiting for corporate enhancements, boxes and lounges etc......but as for short to medium term expansion of the ground for Joe Public.....??
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« Reply #21552 on: April 17, 2018, 14:09:48 pm »

It should be perfectly possible to finance a second tier on the South Stand according to the original designs and crowd funded by Tifosy like at Stevenage. Just because it's not in the board's business model doesn't mean it's not possible.

That said, given the club don't own the stadium, is it worth spending money on it or should a new build be sought closer to the town centre?

It's like a tenant putting an extension on a rented house.

Is the East Stand future proofed? I have my doubts.
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« Reply #21553 on: April 17, 2018, 14:23:44 pm »

Just knock the whole bloody thing down and erase it from our memories.
So bored of this saga, never seen anything like it, absolute shambles, its embarrassing.
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« Reply #21554 on: April 17, 2018, 15:02:28 pm »

It should be perfectly possible to finance a second tier on the South Stand according to the original designs and crowd funded by Tifosy like at Stevenage. Just because it's not in the board's business model doesn't mean it's not possible.

That said, given the club don't own the stadium, is it worth spending money on it or should a new build be sought closer to the town centre?

It's like a tenant putting an extension on a rented house.

Is the East Stand future proofed? I have my doubts.
while any improvements to the ground is good, we must not waste money in doing things that barely alterer the tinpottedness  of the ground thus not adding to a big match day experience that currently is putting off many would be fans from attending matches at Sixfields.

Thomas's insistance again that Sixfields has no justification or business case for expansion and redevelopment  above a tiny 7600 should be the final nail in his coffin as one to be taken seriously as a progressive chairmain who has our clubs future at heart.
He is totally wrong and I doubt he even believes this nonsense just toeing the party line that will be to our clubs detriment. 
He should be encouraged to sell up as we have been strung along for decades and need proper owners whose main interest is growing our club, something this lot is desperate to avoid properly getting involved with.
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« Reply #21555 on: April 17, 2018, 15:11:39 pm »

tinpotedness  Cheesy 

Be interested to see the business case for finishing the East. How long will the boxes take to pay back the investment?

I guess theres a question to ask. I.e this is our lot at Sixfields and just try and make do with what we've got. Extending the North and South is possible. The corners maybe.

Or do you think outside the box? New stadium elsewhere, joint development with Saints at Sixfields, let Saints
develop Sixfields and we get the Gardens?



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« Reply #21556 on: April 17, 2018, 15:18:52 pm »


That said, given the club don't own the stadium, is it worth spending money on it or should a new build be sought closer to the town centre?


I actually agree with this aspect.

I don't believe there is a business case to expand the capacity at Sixfields at all. An imaginary extra 3000 terrace floating above the existing away end will mean we'll still only have a top end League 2/Bottom end League 1 capacity.

The only way we'll progress is a new stadium in a better location. Possibly replicating what the Bescot does, but utilising the popular M1 for it's vast commercial opportunities.

Obviously neither scenario will happen.
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« Reply #21557 on: April 17, 2018, 15:20:32 pm »

I wouldn't say Sixfields is in a bad location?
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« Reply #21558 on: April 17, 2018, 15:24:32 pm »


The only way we'll progress is a new stadium in a better location. Possibly replicating what the Bescot does, but utilising the popular M1 for it's vast commercial opportunities.

If the stadium was in a better location you would need amazing eyesight to see it from the M1  Smiley
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« Reply #21559 on: April 17, 2018, 15:26:54 pm »

I wouldn't say Sixfields is in a bad location?

The likes of Coventry, Walsall etc pick up excellent music concerts as well as being ideally placed for business conferences and the like. Sixfields is in a dead area for the '365 days a year business'.
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