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« Reply #21560 on: April 17, 2018, 13:19:27 pm »

Enough to fit out the east stand to an acceptable level for corperate and other match day requirements  and increase the capacity by 3000, so £1.5m for the east and similar for a bank of terracing built above the south stand seats.
If they can agree to do that let them fill their boots.
If not resist them.

A 3000 capacity terrace above the South Stand and the 'acceptable' completion of the East Stand for £3M?
Are you making up numbers again?
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« Reply #21561 on: April 17, 2018, 13:43:30 pm »

A bank of 3000 terracing is never going to happen ever, put the top tier on the south stand and finish off the east as best as possible
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« Reply #21562 on: April 17, 2018, 14:00:42 pm »

Kelvin said last week that there is no business case at present to expand capacity to 10/12000 when questioned...therefore forget anything other than the boxes being put into the East Stand.

Banks of terracing, second tiers on stands....forget it!!

When KT says there's no business case, but at the same times goes on about waiting for the council......ask yourself for what are we waiting?Huh?

We know we are waiting for corporate enhancements, boxes and lounges etc......but as for short to medium term expansion of the ground for Joe Public.....??
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« Reply #21563 on: April 17, 2018, 14:09:48 pm »

It should be perfectly possible to finance a second tier on the South Stand according to the original designs and crowd funded by Tifosy like at Stevenage. Just because it's not in the board's business model doesn't mean it's not possible.

That said, given the club don't own the stadium, is it worth spending money on it or should a new build be sought closer to the town centre?

It's like a tenant putting an extension on a rented house.

Is the East Stand future proofed? I have my doubts.
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« Reply #21564 on: April 17, 2018, 14:23:44 pm »

Just knock the whole bloody thing down and erase it from our memories.
So bored of this saga, never seen anything like it, absolute shambles, its embarrassing.
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« Reply #21565 on: April 17, 2018, 15:02:28 pm »

It should be perfectly possible to finance a second tier on the South Stand according to the original designs and crowd funded by Tifosy like at Stevenage. Just because it's not in the board's business model doesn't mean it's not possible.

That said, given the club don't own the stadium, is it worth spending money on it or should a new build be sought closer to the town centre?

It's like a tenant putting an extension on a rented house.

Is the East Stand future proofed? I have my doubts.
while any improvements to the ground is good, we must not waste money in doing things that barely alterer the tinpottedness  of the ground thus not adding to a big match day experience that currently is putting off many would be fans from attending matches at Sixfields.

Thomas's insistance again that Sixfields has no justification or business case for expansion and redevelopment  above a tiny 7600 should be the final nail in his coffin as one to be taken seriously as a progressive chairmain who has our clubs future at heart.
He is totally wrong and I doubt he even believes this nonsense just toeing the party line that will be to our clubs detriment. 
He should be encouraged to sell up as we have been strung along for decades and need proper owners whose main interest is growing our club, something this lot is desperate to avoid properly getting involved with.
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« Reply #21566 on: April 17, 2018, 15:11:39 pm »

tinpotedness  Cheesy 

Be interested to see the business case for finishing the East. How long will the boxes take to pay back the investment?

I guess theres a question to ask. I.e this is our lot at Sixfields and just try and make do with what we've got. Extending the North and South is possible. The corners maybe.

Or do you think outside the box? New stadium elsewhere, joint development with Saints at Sixfields, let Saints
develop Sixfields and we get the Gardens?



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« Reply #21567 on: April 17, 2018, 15:18:52 pm »


That said, given the club don't own the stadium, is it worth spending money on it or should a new build be sought closer to the town centre?


I actually agree with this aspect.

I don't believe there is a business case to expand the capacity at Sixfields at all. An imaginary extra 3000 terrace floating above the existing away end will mean we'll still only have a top end League 2/Bottom end League 1 capacity.

The only way we'll progress is a new stadium in a better location. Possibly replicating what the Bescot does, but utilising the popular M1 for it's vast commercial opportunities.

Obviously neither scenario will happen.
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« Reply #21568 on: April 17, 2018, 15:20:32 pm »

I wouldn't say Sixfields is in a bad location?
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« Reply #21569 on: April 17, 2018, 15:24:32 pm »


The only way we'll progress is a new stadium in a better location. Possibly replicating what the Bescot does, but utilising the popular M1 for it's vast commercial opportunities.

If the stadium was in a better location you would need amazing eyesight to see it from the M1  Smiley
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« Reply #21570 on: April 17, 2018, 15:26:54 pm »

I wouldn't say Sixfields is in a bad location?

The likes of Coventry, Walsall etc pick up excellent music concerts as well as being ideally placed for business conferences and the like. Sixfields is in a dead area for the '365 days a year business'.
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« Reply #21571 on: April 17, 2018, 15:35:34 pm »

while any improvements to the ground is good, we must not waste money in doing things that barely alterer the tinpottedness  of the ground thus not adding to a big match day experience that currently is putting off many would be fans from attending matches at Sixfields.

The things that are putting people off attending at the moment are
1. P*ss poor football and very poor results and 2. £22 for 3rd division football, but I know that's the going rate.
I really would like to know what extra is needed for "A big match experience" for the average punter ?
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« Reply #21572 on: April 17, 2018, 15:40:20 pm »

The likes of Coventry, Walsall etc pick up excellent music concerts as well as being ideally placed for business conferences and the like. Sixfields is in a dead area for the '365 days a year business'.
Have you been around by Coventry and Walsall's grounds on non match days ? I have and apart from Tesco's at Cov its no different to Sixfields and Walsall has a McDonalds and a budget hotel to go with a load of warehouses.
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« Reply #21573 on: April 17, 2018, 15:59:40 pm »

Have you been around by Coventry and Walsall's grounds on non match days ? I have and apart from Tesco's at Cov its no different to Sixfields and Walsall has a McDonalds and a budget hotel to go with a load of warehouses.

Yes, I regularly attend conferences/training days at both unfortunately. I probably shouldn't reference Coventry due to the horrible nature of the football side... but what they offer on non matchdays is fantastic. Excellent transport with a train going direct to the stadium (likewise Bescot).

This is what Walsall offer:


•17 individual function rooms
•Our capacities range from 2 to 1000 guests
•Located in the heart of the West Midlands
•12 miles north of Birmingham
•Close proximity to the M6 J9
•Over 1000 FREE parking spaces on site
•Bescot station is a short walk from the stadium
•Complimentary WiFi throughout the stadium
•Hotel accommodation on site
 
Their motorway billboard advertising is a bit of a money spinner too. This is their venue's website for information of what lower league clubs should do at a minimum: http://www.wfcthevenue.co.uk/

Attracting England youth games (due to travel ease) is another way they generate money outside of the regular season.

Fingers crossed they get relegated (with Coventry staying down)... these'll be my local games next season!
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« Reply #21574 on: April 17, 2018, 16:04:10 pm »

I actually agree with this aspect.

I don't believe there is a business case to expand the capacity at Sixfields at all. An imaginary extra 3000 terrace floating above the existing away end will mean we'll still only have a top end League 2/Bottom end League 1 capacity.

The only way we'll progress is a new stadium in a better location. Possibly replicating what the Bescot does, but utilising the popular M1 for it's vast commercial opportunities.

Obviously neither scenario will happen.

I'd rather stay at Sixfields than be plonked out near the M1. The only reason to move would be to be closer to the Town Centre imo.
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« Reply #21575 on: April 17, 2018, 16:04:55 pm »

Have you been around by Coventry and Walsall's grounds on non match days ? I have and apart from Tesco's at Cov its no different to Sixfields and Walsall has a McDonalds and a budget hotel to go with a load of warehouses.

They have a great supporters bar though tbf.
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« Reply #21576 on: April 17, 2018, 16:07:48 pm »

I just don't see what benefit moving two miles down the road would be? Sixfields v town centre? Really not much in it to be honest, let alone finding the space closer to a town centre.
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« Reply #21577 on: April 17, 2018, 16:34:10 pm »

The likes of Coventry, Walsall etc pick up excellent music concerts as well as being ideally placed for business conferences and the like. Sixfields is in a dead area for the '365 days a year business'.
Coventry ''picking up concerts' has absolutely nothing to do with its location - next to the Foleshill Road and close proximity to one of the UK's candidates as Hell Hole of the Century...Bedworth!!!

It's the Ricoh's size and capacity that gets the gig...along with Wasps!
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« Reply #21578 on: April 17, 2018, 16:37:42 pm »

Yes, I regularly attend conferences/training days at both unfortunately. I probably shouldn't reference Coventry due to the horrible nature of the football side... but what they offer on non matchdays is fantastic. Excellent transport with a train going direct to the stadium (likewise Bescot).

This is what Walsall offer:


•17 individual function rooms
•Our capacities range from 2 to 1000 guests
•Located in the heart of the West Midlands
•12 miles north of Birmingham
•Close proximity to the M6 J9
•Over 1000 FREE parking spaces on site
•Bescot station is a short walk from the stadium
•Complimentary WiFi throughout the stadium
•Hotel accommodation on site
 
Their motorway billboard advertising is a bit of a money spinner too. This is their venue's website for information of what lower league clubs should do at a minimum: http://www.wfcthevenue.co.uk/

Attracting England youth games (due to travel ease) is another way they generate money outside of the regular season.

Fingers crossed they get relegated (with Coventry staying down)... these'll be my local games next season!
Oh and a train has never stopped at that platform for a game - ever! If the location is so dandy - why do we have to get taxis from the centre? And yes, I know Coventry well!
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« Reply #21579 on: April 17, 2018, 16:44:34 pm »

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