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« Reply #21700 on: May 05, 2018, 21:21:01 pm »

sorry hammy but if you are talking about KT then it will stray on to development

I assume that the other thread is about development of the East stand this thread is about development of NTFC including the East stand, there is a different

Otherwise lets just have 2 threads - 1 on the pitch and 1 off the pitch

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I'm reacting to and agree with those who are tired of the redev topic polluting every thread...
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« Reply #21701 on: May 05, 2018, 22:24:02 pm »

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« Reply #21702 on: May 05, 2018, 23:44:06 pm »

I agree entirely.  I am firmly convinced that this is the plan.  The pressure to re-develop will vanish once we are back to mid-table in Div4.

The astute football chairmen know that crowds only roll in at the end of season if the club is trying to get promoted, else fighting for survival.  For Northampton Town, it has always been clear that our chairman does not see the club progressing..... so, it is essential that we are in the mix for relegation at the end of season, in order to create a bit of crowd interest.  They know that supporters are always very down at this time of year, especially if things are not looking good on the pitch.  But, come April (or the first daffodils), that energy & enthusiasm returns to the fans, and, like migrating birds, they are drawn inexorably back to the turnstiles.

Remaining in this division will always cause issues about whether the capacity is right - especially if there are "big fish" that want to bring a few thousand. This season, it is particularly relevant.  It seems likely that any 1 or 2 of Birmingham, Sunderland, Reading, Bolton, Hull or Sheffield Wednesday will be relegated from the Championship.  They will easily fill our limited away section.  That is aside from the possibility of welcoming back Luton, Notts County & Coventry, who may all come up this time.  Then assume that Peterborough, Milton Keynes, Oxford and Portsmouth are still in this division.  All of a sudden, our ability to host away fans may seem somewhat limited.  (And, yes, I know that we are no worse than most other clubs at this level - or, are we?)

So, as our chairman has already said quite clearly that he has no intention of further developing the stadium (given which club we are), one can only conclude that the club's future is seen to lie other than in this division.

I rest my case.

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« Reply #21703 on: May 14, 2018, 22:48:02 pm »

Forget the East Stand, clad it up and instead build on the 4 corners (or at least two of them) exec boxes on 2 or 3 levels similar to Craven Cottage. Chuck in a supporters bar as well. It will fill the gaps, stop the wind and give it an enclosed feel whilst generating more income to eventually build back on the North and South Stands.
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« Reply #21704 on: May 14, 2018, 22:54:39 pm »

careful hammy will lock this thread, our club is doing fantastic as it is and doesn't need anything to change or improve

How very dare you.....
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« Reply #21705 on: May 14, 2018, 23:07:16 pm »

Fernie Fields is one of my favourite trips of the season, just around the corner from my house, beers in the sunshine, a first look at new players... lovely!
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« Reply #21706 on: May 14, 2018, 23:29:07 pm »

careful hammy will lock this thread, our club is doing fantastic as it is and doesn't need anything to change or improve

How very dare you.....

I've annoyed you. Haven't I?
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« Reply #21707 on: May 15, 2018, 13:08:02 pm »

I've annoyed you. Haven't I?

22k replies in, I doubt it's getting locked.

Besides, it acts as a benchmark on so many levels:

How not to debate a point
How to say the same thing in a thousand different ways
How to attempt to turn opinion into fact
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« Reply #21708 on: May 15, 2018, 15:42:11 pm »

Still can't see what the problem is with adding tiers to the North and South as per the original design as and when we need them. Add safe standing and it'd be a tidy ground.
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« Reply #21709 on: May 15, 2018, 17:22:34 pm »

Still can't see what the problem is with adding tiers to the North and South as per the original design as and when we need them. Add safe standing and it'd be a tidy ground.
Thomas has made it clear we are unworthy of any such redev in order to build up our club.. after all he's a real football man say our more easily sold supporters, those who thought we would be playing on the racecourse for the want of of a piddling little tax bill.
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« Reply #21710 on: May 15, 2018, 17:30:12 pm »

Thomas has made it clear we are unworthy of any such redev in order to build up our club.. after all he's a real football man say our more easily sold supporters, those who thought we would be playing on the racecourse for the want of of a piddling little tax bill.


Still haven't heard where the money would come from to fund it?
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« Reply #21711 on: May 16, 2018, 13:53:34 pm »

Yes you have Deepcut, Beds and Meccano have made numerous suggestions

Still easier to deny and then complain that the same stuff keeps getting said

Another option - use some of the £4m promised by KT
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« Reply #21712 on: May 16, 2018, 20:29:37 pm »

Still haven't heard where the money would come from to fund it?
Yes you have, I've showed you the Preston business model for their new stand at least twice which you said you read!!!
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« Reply #21713 on: May 16, 2018, 22:22:19 pm »

Thomas has made it clear we are unworthy of any such redev in order to build up our club.. after all he's a real football man say our more easily sold supporters, those who thought we would be playing on the racecourse for the want of of a piddling little tax bill.

How have you only made 1700 posts when I've read this exact same one at least 3000 times?
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« Reply #21714 on: May 17, 2018, 07:04:38 am »

How have you only made 1700 posts when I've read this exact same one at least 3000 times?
Because the vast majority of 230,000 towns folk plus another 200,000 within 15 miles of Sixfields are disengaged from their local professional football club due its continuing lack of investment in the ground and infrastructure and the subsequent  lack of growth,  thats been going on for decades.
 Would you prefer if I talk about Kevin van Veens best moments in a cobblers shirt?
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« Reply #21715 on: May 17, 2018, 07:19:23 am »

KT's statement of 'no business case for expansion' is correct BUT only if you are looking 6months in advance!

If you take in the time to draw up plans, get planning permission - from our 'efficient!' Council, get quotes, plan a schedule and then build it, we HOPEFULLY will have progressed and will require a 12,000 capacity stadium with modern facilities.

It concerns me that the statement says more about KT's vision and confidence about his management than our long-term needs.

Beds you need not reply as we know your views!!!
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« Reply #21716 on: May 17, 2018, 08:33:28 am »

Yes you have, I've showed you the Preston business model for their new stand at least twice which you said you read!!!

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« Reply #21717 on: May 17, 2018, 09:15:46 am »

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« Reply #21718 on: May 17, 2018, 22:16:06 pm »

The Championship seems to be the target that we aspire to as a minimum? Here are the figures for 2015/2016 which are the latest available. Of the 24 clubs listed only one showed a profit with another (Bolton) not submitting figures at the time of the report. How on any level is a football club supposed to be an attractive investment? Just to give you some idea of what some are claiming. Let’s just suppose the club was to show a 10% profit? That would be a staggering achievement based on the figures here? In the event there was 10million spent on the ground it would require a turnover of over 120 million after corporation tax to get your money back. The club currently turnsover 4 million with no profit on gates of 6000. If you doubled the gate to 12,000 as a rough figure the turnover would be 8 million. Assume another 2 million for tv etc and in the event that the club could perform a miracle in comparison to this report and show a pretax profit of 10% for 12 years straight after corporation tax an “investor” would get their money back. That’s right, not have anything to show for it, just get their money back and that’s if the club performs a miracle. This is also based on the fact that the ground was completely sold out every week (using the 12,000 capacity target) and not taking into account the fact that you have got to build the development in the first place which could add a year or two? Alternatively the investor, and I use the term loosely because they would have to be an idiot, could stick it in the Nationwide and get 3% guaranteed? Hopefully this will give a bit of clarity to the discussion, but I’m not holding my breath?

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/football-finance-championship-club-by-club-2015-16
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« Reply #21719 on: May 17, 2018, 22:58:42 pm »

The Championship seems to be the target that we aspire to as a minimum? Here are the figures for 2015/2016 which are the latest available. Of the 24 clubs listed only one showed a profit with another (Bolton) not submitting figures at the time of the report. How on any level is a football club supposed to be an attractive investment? Just to give you some idea of what some are claiming. Let’s just suppose the club was to show a 10% profit? That would be a staggering achievement based on the figures here? In the event there was 10million spent on the ground it would require a turnover of over 120 million after corporation tax to get your money back. The club currently turnsover 4 million with no profit on gates of 6000. If you doubled the gate to 12,000 as a rough figure the turnover would be 8 million. Assume another 2 million for tv etc and in the event that the club could perform a miracle in comparison to this report and show a pretax profit of 10% for 12 years straight after corporation tax an “investor” would get their money back. That’s right, not have anything to show for it, just get their money back and that’s if the club performs a miracle. This is also based on the fact that the ground was completely sold out every week (using the 12,000 capacity target) and not taking into account the fact that you have got to build the development in the first place which could add a year or two? Alternatively the investor, and I use the term loosely because they would have to be an idiot, could stick it in the Nationwide and get 3% guaranteed? Hopefully this will give a bit of clarity to the discussion, but I’m not holding my breath?

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/football-finance-championship-club-by-club-2015-16
How about infrastructure bonds? Or long term leasing of the internal space within the stand, not to mention potential grants from the EFL, FA or enabling development on the land around the ground, do you know what the PWLB is?
If everybody in football was borrowing equity from private investors or greedy banks looking for an ROI in 5 years all but the Premier league teams would be playing in 50 year old run down stadiums with terracing, well they aren't so perhaps you can explain?
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