guest49
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What are the potential outcomes of this case?
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Zen Master
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As far as I recall from the various feeds it is for recovery of the £2million Captain Tony received in the apparent money roundabout and £1million in damages.
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I think someone should just take this city of Peterborough and just... just flush it down the f***in' toilet
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Vintage Cobbler
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Hilarious - you and your cohorts continually go on that KT has no interest in the club, has invested nothing and is only in it for himself - and then you actually list a series of investments he has made or sought - albeit unsuccessful but investments nonetheless.
Cobblerwatch - please don't group me with other posters and don't misconstrue my comments to fit in with your agenda. I set out 3 things on which it more than fair for me as a supporter to comment on concerning our owners and, yes, in doing that i am calling into question the competence of our owners on those issues I specifically mention. And don't delude yourself that KT/DB is going to proceed with the redevelopment. In you dreams......................
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BackOfTheNet
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From reading the transcript of the case, it's apparent that one of two things are likely to be true - either DC is a genius at playing dumb or he truly is as dumb as a bucket of bricks. Without having the tone of voice or body language to apply a sense of context to the words it's impossible to tell which it is.
The way I look at it though is it appears it was all his dad's money that he pumped into the Cobblers. By all accounts, Captain Tony isn't a very pleasant man, but he certainly isn't a stupid man. Would he let his son simply piss his "hard earned" money up the wall if his son was, frankly, a bit of a thicko? I'm not sure that he would.
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Cobblersmad
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Are we taking bets yet on how many pages this thread willget to before we are 'redeveloped'? I'm saying 4383.
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From reading the transcript of the case, it's apparent that one of two things are likely to be true - either DC is a genius at playing dumb or he truly is as dumb as a bucket of bricks. Without having the tone of voice or body language to apply a sense of context to the words it's impossible to tell which it is.
The way I look at it though is it appears it was all his dad's money that he pumped into the Cobblers. By all accounts, Captain Tony isn't a very pleasant man, but he certainly isn't a stupid man. Would he let his son simply **** his "hard earned" money up the wall if his son was, frankly, a bit of a thicko? I'm not sure that he would.
When TC was on the stand he put in a lot of "you'll have to ask my son" answers.....seems his son didn't have a scooby!! How can the chairman of a company, in this case NTFC, not read council minutes, not read contracts, not know how much things were costing, and not know where the money was going. To say that Grossman thrust a contract in front of him so he signed it just beggars belief. Enough comments have been made about the council not using due diligence before lending the money, there seems to have been even less diligence when the football club received the money! Just farming it off anywhere and everywhere. I don't think he was that thick that he didn't know the first thing the money was going to be used on was paying Daddy back!
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guest1269
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Cobblerwatch - please don't group me with other posters and don't misconstrue my comments to fit in with your agenda. I set out 3 things on which it more than fair for me as a supporter to comment on concerning our owners and, yes, in doing that i am calling into question the competence of our owners on those issues I specifically mention.
And don't delude yourself that KT/DB is going to proceed with the redevelopment. In you dreams......................
My apologies for grouping you with other posters - so I’m to understand you do agree KT has made investment in the club but unfortunately unsuccessful - I completely agree with that. Oops and then you spoil it all with your last comment which firmly groups you with the “my assumption are reality” group.
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Manwork04
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It doesn't matter if he reads it or not he's still liable for what he signed. Not the brightest lamp in the street.......hilarious..... £3m of the captains money heading for the council.
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It doesn't matter if he reads it or not he's still liable for what he signed. Not the brightest lamp in the street.......hilarious..... £3m of the captains money heading for the council.
I didn’t realize how crooked he was as quick as some on here did but his limited grey matter was never in doubt.
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Joes Sweet Left Foot
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What I find disturbing about the court reports is that the amount of collusion between members of the council and Howard Grossman. In some ways these dealings were cutting the Cardozas out of the loop. By their own testimony both Tony and David have taken the opportunity to slag off Grossman and friends as untrustworthy. Yet our esteemed council seemed quite happy to deal with these crooks.
Everybody in the frame seemed quite aware of what was going on. It was quite clear the developers and Cardozas were looking to get their cut up front before the development had been completed and then passing this off as normal business practice.
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BedsCobb
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Agreed - things went wrong and the consequences potentially are now damaging for the club in respect of liability- but surely even the most ardent KT hater cannot say he deliberately got it wrong with 3 managers and the sh!te January signings.
My point is simply, he make certain short/medium term investments to try and take the club forward - but so jaundiced are the views of some on here that absolutely no credit will be given to KT for anything.
Nothing he's done could be remotely described as a short/medium term 'investment' thats designed to 'take the club forward' in a sustainable or any other way. What we have seen yet again is Sixfields proving to be an unatractive nonleaguesque unfit for purpose atmospheric void and money drain of a ground that has shown time and time again to be the downfall of oir club and those unwilling to seek proper investment into its infrastructure.. Spending of vast sums on shiite players in a desperate attempt to avoid the inevitable drop can not remotely be described as an investment of any type, if so cash in on KVV.
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LeeleeSTAR
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This s*** is bloody hillarious. I wish I was reading it about another club and not one I love but I can’t help but marvel at the hilarity of it all. Thank god we survived it, or are surviving it i should say as we are clearly still hampered by it all today.
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LeeleeSTAR
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I would like to know of the council are planning separate action against Grossman as he clearly made off with the rest of the money.
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guest3114
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In my opinion DC seems a lot weaker on plausible deniability than I expected? In any event apparently the suggestion is that if you decide to invest in a football club or anything else, it is reasonable to expect the taxpayer to repay at least half of the investment in the event things don’t work out? One would suspect the answer to this may be “that’s business”. I have noted the broad use of the term “business “ coming from the stand, I can think of a few words possibly more appropriate to use? Perhaps a limited vocabulary is yet another failing on the part of our esteemed former chairman?
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guest49
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Anyone believing many of the words coming out of DC’s mouth today probably aren’t as smart as he is....and he isn’t very bright, however not as stupid as he sounded today. Hilarious transcript. There are so many people involved in some way and he seems happy to try and throw James Whiting under the bus at any opportunity, along with a few others. He cut the directors out at every opportunity and can’t think of how he thought he’d get a happy ending trying to claw a bit back.
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everbrite
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Agreed - things went wrong and the consequences potentially are now damaging for the club in respect of liability................
What on earth are you saying here - please consider clarifying yr statenent? The descriptive use of ‘potentially’ is not clear.
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JollyCobbler
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I would like to know of the council are planning separate action against Grossman as he clearly made off with the rest of the money.
NBC made a loan to NTFC (the Cardozas), not to Howard Grossman. It was our twat of a chairman who set this ball in motion by trying to game the system, and by jumping into bed with professional scam merchants. Just take a look at how many businesses Grossman has folded, you'll get the idea. ETA: Based on the transcriptions I've read so far, the only way the Cardozas can land a not-liable/not-guilty verdict is if the legal system is totally corrupt. I couldn't really see as they had any defense for what occurred on their watch, but I still expected them to put up some sort of resistance! They're performing laughably badly!
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LeeleeSTAR
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NBC made a loan to NTFC (the Cardozas), not to Howard Grossman. It was our twat of a chairman who set this ball in motion by trying to game the system, and by jumping into bed with professional scam merchants. Just take a look at how many businesses Grossman has folded, you'll get the idea.
Trust me I’m well aware of how many businesses grossman has folded. I was one of those along with yourself I believe who was shouting about how dodgy this all was before the press and wider public had any interest. He is as you say a professional scam merchant. One thing he’s very good at is setting up companies to explore large developments (flats, retail etc) he will then attract initial investment from usually private investment funds and pay himself and others large salaries and consultancy fees etc then the company will run out of funds or decide that the scheme is no longer viable for various reasons. He will then fold the company and start again with a new scheme.
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guest3114
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Matt Precey @mattcprecey 4m4 minutes ago DC: there are a lot of people grateful to us in Northampton. A lot. I would have enjoyed him being asked to provide examples and also give an estimatation to the figure “a lot”? We’re missing out on loads of fun here. I hope the brief realises the missed opportunities for classic comedy moments and raises the bar (ahem) with the line of questioning.
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BedsCobb
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I would have enjoyed him being asked to provide examples and also give an estimatation to the figure “a lot”? We’re missing out on loads of fun here. I hope the brief realises the missed opportunities for classic comedy moments and raises the bar (ahem) with the line of questioning.
He paid off a 180k tax/vat bill to take full control of our club, and around these parts thats enought for a freedom of the city recognition. If it wasnt for the cardozas we would be playing on pitch 16 on the racecourse. Or so Ive been told about a 1000 times when ever I forget the massive symbolic significance of paying off a small tax bill to take full control or an ailing football club. Are we thankful or not? Can you even take back gratitude? 😂😂
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