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CW I don't blame NBC for taking KT offer but I do blame them for not legally holding him to account on his agreement.
I also blame them for now signing leases that will allow him what he wants, again with no guarantee that KT will not just ride off into the sunset with valuable leases in his pocket and Sixfields left as it is.
One problem is that no one knows what is happening or going to happen, again this is where the Trust and supporters have failed, the lack of noise and the secrets have allowed NBC and KT to do their dirty work in private and at their pace.
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guest2539
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Exactly my point CW, KT presented the best case as he said he would spend £4m which he clearly hasn't and won't.
The other parties were short term but at least they would have NTFC best interests being as they were life long fans. The Trust could have partnered with whoever and retained a controlling share. That is what should have happened.
Sorry but as far as I am concerned we are back at square one minus the land, which puts us in a much worse position. KT is now trying to sell us for millions, this will not benefit NTFC as it is highly likely to be overseas buyer who thinks he is buying a club on the cheap JUST outside London or someone else cleaning up their money
My offer for the shares is what KT paid for them .... £1.
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BedsCobb
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Still think the deal should involve the Saints. They get Sixfields and the athletics track for a landmark stadium + some enabling development around, Buckingham get the contract to build that. We get Franklins Gardens with possibly a bit more to pay them. That would be the deal that ticks a lot of boxes. That sort of land with good transport link for their hefty fanbase is at a premium in the Town.
Or Saints sell Franklins Gardens and build a back to back stadium at Sixfields and together create a landmark sporting complex that would provide a positive legacy to the whole mess. Saints presence would multiply the value of any enabling monies on wider land. We get a better stadium out of it. If Kelvin could pull off either of those two then fair play to him.
Franklin gardens is one of the best sporting venues in it the country and has so much history that any iseas of the saints moving would have blood spilled in st james🤣 Sixfields is in an excellent location thst could also be just as an attractive visit as the gardens with just a little bit thought and willingness from the clubs (new) owners working with the fan base. 2 banks of 3000 terracing built up behind both little stands north and south and and the east stand fitted out to its possible best.. Job done, championship ready. |
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meccanostand
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Franklin gardens is one of the best sporting venues in it the country and has so much history that any iseas of the saints moving would have blood spilled in st james🤣
Sixfields is in an excellent location thst could also be just as an attractive visit as the gardens with just a little bit thought and willingness from the clubs (new) owners working with the fan base.
2 banks of 3000 terracing built up behind both little stands north and south and and the east stand fitted out to its possible best.. Job done, championship ready.
Completely understand the Saints fans attachment to the gardens but they have justed posted quite hefty losses. Rugby doesnt benefit from the kind of TV deal that Football does so matchday revenue and commercial revenue is pretty important. Matches at MK and Twickenham show this. I'm sure if a centrepiece stadium could be built at Sixfields that would blow all the other clubs out of the water then their fans would consider it. They want trophies. |
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guest1269
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CW I don't blame NBC for taking KT offer but I do blame them for not legally holding him to account on his agreement.
I also blame them for now signing leases that will allow him what he wants, again with no guarantee that KT will not just ride off into the sunset with valuable leases in his pocket and Sixfields left as it is.
One problem is that no one knows what is happening or going to happen, again this is where the Trust and supporters have failed, the lack of noise and the secrets have allowed NBC and KT to do their dirty work in private and at their pace.
....so close to agreement on the historical happenings - but the reality at that time (post Cardoza and an incompetent council) there really was no viable alternative or indeed time for a real fan's voice to be heard - therefore we are where we are and can't turn the clock back. It would seem your opinion of me and others is that at best we are hopelessly naïve - possibly,....but I still haven't totally written off KT's intentions (but agree even for me time is running out). It changes nothing but my personal deadline for announcement on redevelopment is by the end of the year |
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Deepcut Cobbler
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IF your plan is so good why did you not buy the club for £1.
Maybe because he didn't have the other £1m+ that KT has had to spend/outlay to maintain the current stagnation? |
“They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.” Laurence Binyon
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threeinabed
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Franklin gardens is one of the best sporting venues in it the country
it isn't |
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guest2539
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Maybe because he didn't have the other £1m+ that KT has had to spend/outlay to maintain the current stagnation?
I know that, you know that BUT some pontificate from behind a keyboard, as experts, and do nothing!!! |
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everbrite
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I know that, you know that BUT some pontificate from behind a keyboard, as experts, and do nothing!!!
Actually VI - I am not sure that the line in bold actually makes sense or ambiguous at best? |
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Tabasco Kid
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Maybe because he didn't have the other £1m+ that KT has had to spend/outlay to maintain the current stagnation?
I thought that all Del boys would be millionaires, by this time next year?  |
Were in the pipe 5 by 5.
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Horsham Cobbler
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Actually VI - I am not sure that the line in bold actually makes sense or ambiguous at best?
Missing a comma but, otherwise, makes perfect sense to me |
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guest3230
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One of my favourite lines ever....
Franklins Gardens is one of the best sporting venues in the country.
Credibility gone.
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BedsCobb
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One of my favourite lines ever....
Franklins Gardens is one of the best sporting venues in the country.
Credibility gone.
Go on then, tell me why you dont think its one of the best purpose built stadium around? Historic, atmospheric, beautiful looking with 4 completely different stands and known around the world. Its location is good, lots of parking, near town centre, train station, dozens of pubs fast food resturants close by etc. Stadium designed to fans liking. Large fan village. Huge supporters bars. 50 odd corporate boxes and several sponsors lounges. 9000 season ticket holders. 15,500 capacity that is on average 90% full. 7 day a week operation, conferences weddings etc. Saints have capitalised on the ground making a profit 12 of the last 13 seasons. Attracts the best player. Helped the saints to European and national titles. Go on lets have 5 that function better with all the above😂 #credibilityintact😉 |
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Ron Obvious
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Fee-fi-fo-fum somebody's talking out their bum.
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Breathing will help you live.
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Terryfenwickatemyhamster
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Let me know what he says then Hammy, assume you will be asking him very soon, as even your timescale is running out
Cheers mate
I’ve always found him to be very approachable. He won’t entertain one iota of anything said on here. On that I agree with him. I genuinely don’t believe he looks at a thing posted on here. Anything I do discuss with him won’t be posted on here. |
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guest3114
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Go on then, tell me why you dont think its one of the best purpose built stadium around?
Historic, atmospheric, beautiful looking with 4 completely different stands and known around the world.
Its location is good, lots of parking, near town centre, train station, dozens of pubs fast food resturants close by etc.
Stadium designed to fans liking.
Large fan village.
Huge supporters bars.
50 odd corporate boxes and several sponsors lounges.
9000 season ticket holders.
15,500 capacity that is on average 90% full.
7 day a week operation, conferences weddings etc.
Saints have capitalised on the ground making a profit 12 of the last 13 seasons.
Attracts the best player.
Helped the saints to European and national titles.
Go on lets have 5 that function better with all the above😂
#credibilityintact😉
To be fair Beds virtually all of the above is subjective. The Saints ranked 7th in attendance in the latest rugby ground figures so arguably there’s 6 in rugby that function better, let alone your claim which presumably encompasses all sport? Just saying. http://rd.premiershiprugby.com/mobile/stats/attendance.php#5fiievlR9Qh8Q6bh.97 |
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BedsCobb
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Its about quality of ground and it working well for the club and not so biggest attendance. The saints will budget for say 14000 average gates in and all singing and dancing stadium with everything going for it.. thats what makes it one of the best club ground of any sport. |
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LeeleeSTAR
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Too be fair to beds, the saints were always a very well run club. Recording a profit every season for a long time whilst organically growing their club. The problem is a number of other clubs have other the last few years started to spend big and rack up big loses that are financed by rich benefactors. The saints have taken a decision to attempt to keep up with this and have themselves started to run up heavy loses such as the one recently announced. I don’t see it lasted for long unless the club is sold as they don’t currently have as rich a benefactor behind it compared to some of the other clubs. With the exception of their latest extension the stadium was mostly paid for out of profits and money from the owners. The last stand was done by a multi million pound loan that is I believe impacting their finances. |
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guest1269
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I find the analogy of the Saints by Beds a little curious in respect of his vision for NTFC.
When I first started watching football the saints were a chicken sh!t of a club - amateur in every respect. Two things happened then the game turned professional attracting the money men - the saints were lucky in the one they attracted one who genuinely loved the game and the club - hence the agreed fairly impressive FG - but don’t give the impression the club was somehow built by the fans 3/4 of them don’t even know the rules of the game, a good percentage **** off to the bars 10 minutes before half time and emerge back 20 minutes into the second half and a further percentage support rugby because of an inert snobbery that it somehow elevates their social standing compared to unwashed football supporters.
I don’t wish another Northampton sporting club ill and there are a hard core of genuine supporters that have had some fantastic seasons in a good stadium but the reality is they got lucky with both timing and Barwell - fair play to them for that.
The problem with a club built by a money man is at some point it runs out or there is a guy down the road at another club with more money and success declines. Unfortunately without the money man it doesn’t happen in the first place.
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