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« Reply #23500 on: December 06, 2018, 23:40:19 pm »

Kelvin Thomas Youtube update on the redevelopment here:

On redevelopment

"Really good conversation with the Council..pleased with how that is progressing".

"Good discussion with the council about how we fix that in terms of linkage to the wider development and using all the land for the benefit of the football club"

"We can't do anything but work in the background"

On selling the club

"Ongoing, very fluid process"

"One of this big concerns for us is no-one comes in and separates the land from the football club"

"some of those discussions have been fallen a way, some of it has been a bit more property based...some of it has been just football club based and not property, there has to be a balance"

"We don't really want people to come in and just buy the football club and not worry about the East Stand"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqyOtTA5pgU&feature=youtu.be

Yes , but the KT consortium wouldnít have been interested in us if it wasnít for the land association .
No one realistically is going to be interested in a low level football club unless a knight in shining armour turns up from the West Stand that wins the Euro millions .
Itís a worrying situation really because I think KT has lost a bit of interest all round .
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« Reply #23501 on: December 06, 2018, 23:46:19 pm »

I sit in different parts of the West Stand, never the same seat, the only consistency is the whingeing not where I sit.

Try around seats 134 to 160 , you have got Macclesfield Cobb, Random near you. Not too many moaners. You are unlucky ! Try the South End of West?
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« Reply #23502 on: December 07, 2018, 06:10:16 am »

My take on KT's interview are these three main points;

1) the land will not be seperated from the club when sold on
2) the budget needs addressing in January or during the summer
3) he made no mention of talks progressing with one specific person or group of prospective owners.

I think it is time our Council tell the electorate what their plans are for the discussions with KT.....over to George Candler !!!!
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« Reply #23503 on: December 07, 2018, 09:06:56 am »


The land is already separated from the club.
CDNL control ,via the long lease, the large tract of land that originally was lined up for housing.

The club controlled land is the part I believe he is talking about and if Iím right all the lease issues will be about where on the athletics track does club part end and CDNL part start as this was the shift done by DC/CDNL did to max out the amount of potential houses on the total site. I think it will be commercial development when it does happen as the land remediation wonít be the same.

If the lease issue was moving this boundary back to where it started from then the club still sits on a good parcel of land that could be used for its benefit or exploited for its detriment. Either way the club with the grassed areas all around the car park has a large amount of land compared to many similar level clubs.
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« Reply #23504 on: December 07, 2018, 09:32:18 am »

I hope KC and KT are on the same page regarding budgets - it sounds like Curle wants to be pretty active when the window opens and I believe that budgets were a reason he fell out with the Carlisle chairman/board.
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« Reply #23505 on: December 07, 2018, 09:51:04 am »

I hope KC and KT are on the same page regarding budgets - it sounds like Curle wants to be pretty active when the window opens and I believe that budgets were a reason he fell out with the Carlisle chairman/board.

my guess would be the budget will be sorted in january unless there is a realistic chance of top 7.  Crooks, VV, Taylor, Facey i would imagine could all be off loaded in Jan if we wanted too and don't hold out for unrealistic transfer values.
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« Reply #23506 on: December 07, 2018, 10:05:08 am »

Haven't heard it but interested to know exactly what KT said regarding budget?
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« Reply #23507 on: December 07, 2018, 10:10:16 am »

my guess would be the budget will be sorted in january unless there is a realistic chance of top 7.  Crooks, VV, Taylor, Facey i would imagine could all be off loaded in Jan if we wanted too and don't hold out for unrealistic transfer values.
Who is going to want Taylor and Facey ?
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« Reply #23508 on: December 07, 2018, 10:35:41 am »

Haven't heard it but interested to know exactly what KT said regarding budget?
He flip flopped a bit. Essentially said the squad is too expensive now and will need sorting either in January or next summer but that football decisions will come before financial decisions when looking at players in January.

My guess is that Curle has been given a budget to cover both January and summer and needs to make sure it balances so if we see a lot of players come in during January we wont see any more in the summer, unless the high earners, or several lower earners leave. I dont know who / how many are out of contract in the summer.
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« Reply #23509 on: December 07, 2018, 11:46:43 am »

Haven't heard it but interested to know exactly what KT said regarding budget?

This is a redevelopment thread can we stick to the subject please.
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« Reply #23510 on: December 07, 2018, 12:29:53 pm »

Thanks, Unicobbler. It's going to be an interesting couple of transfer windows.
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« Reply #23511 on: December 07, 2018, 13:36:46 pm »

Who is going to want Taylor and Facey ?

based on the fact they play for us when they are fit, unlike me the professionals in football see something in them, someone will on the assumption we don't want money for them.
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« Reply #23512 on: December 13, 2018, 22:53:52 pm »

Asset of Community Value status granted on Sixfields stadium but not the athletic track.

Interesting line here from the Trust...


The Trust understand that building work on the (East) stand will only take place pending agreement on the development of other land around the stadium and with Northampton Borough Council set to be scrapped in 2020 in favour of a new unitary authority our concern is that wider planning considerations will now be shelved and that the re-development of the stand  will not take place for at least another couple of years.

Full statement here:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2261576353866394&id=129995820357802
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« Reply #23513 on: Yesterday at 07:40:19 »

Iím glad this is done finally. So well done for persistence with the applications.
With regards to the paragraph highlighted it is not easy to fully understand what this all means for the football club vs the CDNL element.

In the DC times the land had gotten to the point of full plans for housing and much of the needed surveys being submitted to NBC planning as they were/are visible on the planning pages.
 
Curious to know what agreement other than planning permission would be needed?

The merged council will be a bumpy ride but functional departments such as planning should carry on business as usual.



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« Reply #23514 on: Yesterday at 07:56:32 »

Iím glad this is done finally. So well done for persistence with the applications.
With regards to the paragraph highlighted it is not easy to fully understand what this all means for the football club vs the CDNL element.

In the DC times the land had gotten to the point of full plans for housing and much of the needed surveys being submitted to NBC planning as they were/are visible on the planning pages.
 
Curious to know what agreement other than planning permission would be needed?

The merged council will be a bumpy ride but functional departments such as planning should carry on business as usual.


Not sure planning would pass for housing again on contaminated land or a developer would front the remediation costs.

Also the small matter of the Council wanting to recoup its £10.35 million ++ and getting a good deal for itself and the taxpayer.
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« Reply #23515 on: Yesterday at 08:07:46 »

Donít disagree about them wanting to recoup as much as they can. I want them to do that as a local taxpayer.

It wonít be housing itíll be commercial development Iíd think.
 I wouldnít think that a council could withhold planning permission on the basis of the loan as it wrote this off and CDNL agreed deals with creditors. Planning can only be agreed or not on planning issues but without anything submitted then it hasnít been tested since all he change.

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« Reply #23516 on: Yesterday at 08:49:32 »

I am not criticising the Trust, in fact I think it deserves praise and our thanks for the effort it has made to achieve ACV status for the stadium. I can't imagine that DB/KT are best pleased. 

However, the granting of ACV limited status something of a Pyrrhic victory in that for unexplained reasons building work can only take place "pending agreement on the development of other land around the stadium".  I am not clear what "other land" means. The CDNL land?  If that is so we may be facing the prospect of the CDNL land/company being sold off by DB/KT with our present owners pocketing the money and then the club (whether under current of different ownership) dealing with CDNL and the Council with the CDNL controlled by powerful developers whose only aim will be profit not what was community land.
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« Reply #23517 on: Yesterday at 08:59:40 »

 am not criticising the Trust, in fact I think it deserves praise and our thanks for the effort it has made to achieve ACV status for the stadium. I can't imagine that DB/KT are best pleased.  

However, the granting of ACV limited status is something of a Pyrrhic victory in that for unexplained reasons building work can only take place "pending agreement on the development of other land around the stadium".  I am not clear what "other land" means. The CDNL land?  If that is so we may be facing the prospect of the CDNL land/company being sold off by DB/KT with our present owners pocketing the money and then the club (whether under current of different ownership) dealing with CDNL and the Council with the CDNL controlled by powerful developers whose only aim will be profit from what was community land.
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« Reply #23518 on: Yesterday at 19:35:36 »

am not criticising the Trust, in fact I think it deserves praise and our thanks for the effort it has made to achieve ACV status for the stadium. I can't imagine that DB/KT are best pleased.  

However, the granting of ACV limited status is something of a Pyrrhic victory in that for unexplained reasons building work can only take place "pending agreement on the development of other land around the stadium".  I am not clear what "other land" means. The CDNL land?  If that is so we may be facing the prospect of the CDNL land/company being sold off by DB/KT with our present owners pocketing the money and then the club (whether under current of different ownership) dealing with CDNL and the Council with the CDNL controlled by powerful developers whose only aim will be profit from what was community land.

what we will get will be dependent on the amount of value the developers rake in and then willing to pay out, ie, 7 millions could see a token gesture of 400k for a few boxes and bit of cladding, less for the developers  will see cladding and not much else but you can be sure the cost will be grotesquely over exagerated in sums of millions😂😂 The trust must be involved in any negotiations between all parties in regards of what is available and how it's best spent to avoid the above.
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« Reply #23519 on: Yesterday at 19:39:34 »

I do hope they won't use asbestos between the boxes. It will only cause complications in future refurbishment projects.
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