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« Reply #23480 on: December 02, 2018, 11:03:38 am »

One week on from my first sight of the Cobblers  playing at home this season a flying visit from Scouseland a couple of observations from a supporter who can only now watch the Cobblers live on an irregular basis in Northampton and when they venture up to the North West:

- My scepticism from afar re Taylor, Facey, and  Hoskins was born out in the Grimsby game. Taylor played as though he was the scouse Beckenbauer but was woeful in his distribution and looked uncomfortable when he was pressed defensively, Hoskins ran up and own the pitch like a headless chicken and  his distribution got worse and worse as the game continued, Facey has now made two costly defensive mistakes of a similar nature against Cheltenham and Grimsby at home both of which were easily avoidable.


- First half performance was OK against Grimsby but once Grimsby upped the ante we bottled it.



- Curle now needs to take a leaf out of Wilders book from the season before we won Div 2 when he brought in Ricky Holmes and Brendan Moloney et al and from a similar position to what Curles team are in at the moment use the January transfer window to get in a ball playing midfield player and some effective natural wingers.


I see Curle's current position as a work in progress, overall the quality of League One this season is mediocre and so there should be some  scope for optimism for the Cobblers to reach the play offs.


My seat at the Grimsby game in the West Stand yet again reinforced my long held view that the stand is full of whingers in that an old guy in front of me never stopped moaning once Grimsby equalised in the first half, I cannot understand why posters on this site eulogise about the strength of support from the West Stand , in my view it is non existent.

Again where do you sit in West? Also Curle is the new Wilder?
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« Reply #23481 on: December 03, 2018, 22:54:13 pm »

Without sounding pedantic, was the emphasise on the loan not news of future East Stand development?
TBH it was early and I'd just woken up so I may have mis-heard. Seen nothing on social media since or heard anything else so who know?!
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« Reply #23482 on: December 06, 2018, 13:54:40 pm »

I sit in different parts of the West Stand, never the same seat, the only consistency is the whingeing not where I sit.
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« Reply #23483 on: December 06, 2018, 18:53:13 pm »

Kelvin Thomas Youtube update on the redevelopment here:

On redevelopment

"Really good conversation with the Council..pleased with how that is progressing".

"Good discussion with the council about how we fix that in terms of linkage to the wider development and using all the land for the benefit of the football club"

"We can't do anything but work in the background"

On selling the club

"Ongoing, very fluid process"

"One of this big concerns for us is no-one comes in and separates the land from the football club"

"some of those discussions have been fallen a way, some of it has been a bit more property based...some of it has been just football club based and not property, there has to be a balance"

"We don't really want people to come in and just buy the football club and not worry about the East Stand"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqyOtTA5pgU&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #23484 on: December 06, 2018, 20:32:37 pm »

Pretty much nothing new then!

Positive conversations with George....just as he said a few months ago. Work going on in the background....yeah no, you know.

Budget cuts or no budget cuts?? The budget needs addressing, and that will be done in this window or the next, but football first and finances second?

Doesnít want to split off the land from the club, seemingly puts paid to the idea of a fans based/community based takeover.....the success of the club shouldnít really be attached to what happens to the land around it, thatís my opinion anyway, KTís seems to be that they are one, despite the club not actually owning nor controlling the land anyway!

I donít know what to make of it all...KT seemingly has sold most of his share in the football club to David, yet keeps his half share of the vehicle controlling the land. Perhaps he should have been asked why that has happened?
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« Reply #23485 on: December 06, 2018, 22:52:02 pm »

Pretty much nothing new then!

Positive conversations with George....just as he said a few months ago. Work going on in the background....yeah no, you know.

Budget cuts or no budget cuts?? The budget needs addressing, and that will be done in this window or the next, but football first and finances second?

Doesnít want to split off the land from the club, seemingly puts paid to the idea of a fans based/community based takeover.....the success of the club shouldnít really be attached to what happens to the land around it, thatís my opinion anyway, KTís seems to be that they are one, despite the club not actually owning nor controlling the land anyway!

I donít know what to make of it all...KT seemingly has sold most of his share in the football club to David, yet keeps his half share of the vehicle controlling the land. Perhaps he should have been asked why that has happened?
I asked him via a radio show last month if the land was now anneced into the hands of private investors so no longer available for the clubs future use, he said it was never intended for the clubs enabling of redevelopment but
now it seems he has changed his stance?
Also it seems he no longer wants to spend more time in the US of A and wants to sell the club, but is instead continuing the 3 long years of talks with his old friends at the council to do his undisclosed things that is causing frustration to him but is still progressing well... FFS, what in the name of all that is sacred do you still need from the council, and should they grant it to you.. what will it look like? Artist impression perhaps  Wink
Only he knows the end game but still claims its frustrating him Grin
Suggest you sort something out then.
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« Reply #23486 on: December 06, 2018, 23:40:19 pm »

Kelvin Thomas Youtube update on the redevelopment here:

On redevelopment

"Really good conversation with the Council..pleased with how that is progressing".

"Good discussion with the council about how we fix that in terms of linkage to the wider development and using all the land for the benefit of the football club"

"We can't do anything but work in the background"

On selling the club

"Ongoing, very fluid process"

"One of this big concerns for us is no-one comes in and separates the land from the football club"

"some of those discussions have been fallen a way, some of it has been a bit more property based...some of it has been just football club based and not property, there has to be a balance"

"We don't really want people to come in and just buy the football club and not worry about the East Stand"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqyOtTA5pgU&feature=youtu.be

Yes , but the KT consortium wouldnít have been interested in us if it wasnít for the land association .
No one realistically is going to be interested in a low level football club unless a knight in shining armour turns up from the West Stand that wins the Euro millions .
Itís a worrying situation really because I think KT has lost a bit of interest all round .
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« Reply #23487 on: December 06, 2018, 23:46:19 pm »

I sit in different parts of the West Stand, never the same seat, the only consistency is the whingeing not where I sit.

Try around seats 134 to 160 , you have got Macclesfield Cobb, Random near you. Not too many moaners. You are unlucky ! Try the South End of West?
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« Reply #23488 on: December 07, 2018, 06:10:16 am »

My take on KT's interview are these three main points;

1) the land will not be seperated from the club when sold on
2) the budget needs addressing in January or during the summer
3) he made no mention of talks progressing with one specific person or group of prospective owners.

I think it is time our Council tell the electorate what their plans are for the discussions with KT.....over to George Candler !!!!
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« Reply #23489 on: December 07, 2018, 09:06:56 am »


The land is already separated from the club.
CDNL control ,via the long lease, the large tract of land that originally was lined up for housing.

The club controlled land is the part I believe he is talking about and if Iím right all the lease issues will be about where on the athletics track does club part end and CDNL part start as this was the shift done by DC/CDNL did to max out the amount of potential houses on the total site. I think it will be commercial development when it does happen as the land remediation wonít be the same.

If the lease issue was moving this boundary back to where it started from then the club still sits on a good parcel of land that could be used for its benefit or exploited for its detriment. Either way the club with the grassed areas all around the car park has a large amount of land compared to many similar level clubs.
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« Reply #23490 on: December 07, 2018, 09:32:18 am »

I hope KC and KT are on the same page regarding budgets - it sounds like Curle wants to be pretty active when the window opens and I believe that budgets were a reason he fell out with the Carlisle chairman/board.
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« Reply #23491 on: December 07, 2018, 09:51:04 am »

I hope KC and KT are on the same page regarding budgets - it sounds like Curle wants to be pretty active when the window opens and I believe that budgets were a reason he fell out with the Carlisle chairman/board.

my guess would be the budget will be sorted in january unless there is a realistic chance of top 7.  Crooks, VV, Taylor, Facey i would imagine could all be off loaded in Jan if we wanted too and don't hold out for unrealistic transfer values.
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« Reply #23492 on: December 07, 2018, 10:05:08 am »

Haven't heard it but interested to know exactly what KT said regarding budget?
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« Reply #23493 on: December 07, 2018, 10:10:16 am »

my guess would be the budget will be sorted in january unless there is a realistic chance of top 7.  Crooks, VV, Taylor, Facey i would imagine could all be off loaded in Jan if we wanted too and don't hold out for unrealistic transfer values.
Who is going to want Taylor and Facey ?
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« Reply #23494 on: December 07, 2018, 10:35:41 am »

Haven't heard it but interested to know exactly what KT said regarding budget?
He flip flopped a bit. Essentially said the squad is too expensive now and will need sorting either in January or next summer but that football decisions will come before financial decisions when looking at players in January.

My guess is that Curle has been given a budget to cover both January and summer and needs to make sure it balances so if we see a lot of players come in during January we wont see any more in the summer, unless the high earners, or several lower earners leave. I dont know who / how many are out of contract in the summer.
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« Reply #23495 on: December 07, 2018, 11:46:43 am »

Haven't heard it but interested to know exactly what KT said regarding budget?

This is a redevelopment thread can we stick to the subject please.
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« Reply #23496 on: December 07, 2018, 12:29:53 pm »

Thanks, Unicobbler. It's going to be an interesting couple of transfer windows.
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« Reply #23497 on: December 07, 2018, 13:36:46 pm »

Who is going to want Taylor and Facey ?

based on the fact they play for us when they are fit, unlike me the professionals in football see something in them, someone will on the assumption we don't want money for them.
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« Reply #23498 on: December 13, 2018, 22:53:52 pm »

Asset of Community Value status granted on Sixfields stadium but not the athletic track.

Interesting line here from the Trust...


The Trust understand that building work on the (East) stand will only take place pending agreement on the development of other land around the stadium and with Northampton Borough Council set to be scrapped in 2020 in favour of a new unitary authority our concern is that wider planning considerations will now be shelved and that the re-development of the stand  will not take place for at least another couple of years.

Full statement here:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2261576353866394&id=129995820357802
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« Reply #23499 on: December 14, 2018, 07:40:19 am »

Iím glad this is done finally. So well done for persistence with the applications.
With regards to the paragraph highlighted it is not easy to fully understand what this all means for the football club vs the CDNL element.

In the DC times the land had gotten to the point of full plans for housing and much of the needed surveys being submitted to NBC planning as they were/are visible on the planning pages.
 
Curious to know what agreement other than planning permission would be needed?

The merged council will be a bumpy ride but functional departments such as planning should carry on business as usual.



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