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I have put forward what I believe is the very best all round solution for a way out of our never ending cycle of failure, a scheme that doesn't need multi billionaires but would involve the whole town and support base which also gets local businesses involved and this by offering great value on corporate boxes should they buy off plan and for us regular supporters a chance to buy 3 year season tickets to help fund the capacity increase. The future short fall in season tickets would be easily recovered by higher match day takings from playing out of league 2 Having all involved is essential, all being aware patience with the team during a transitional period is key for future success we can expect. Other forms of fund raising / grants/ would run alongside to ensure others can also get involved ensuring targets are met. It's a low risk investment, completed in stages so those willing to buy advanced ST/ corporate boxes know it benefits not only the club greatly but will save them money in the long run.
How many years would we have in order for the plan to work? If you're suggesting years 2 and 3 shortfall is made up with increased gates then that implies promotion would be required in year 1. What happens if promotion isnt achieved within the time frame?
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it obviously doesn't matter to most who the owners are so why should it matter if a group of fans and local business owners own and run the club?
Ultimately we can't be in much of a worse position and we have 7 years until our next promotion (history would suggest) so perhaps in that time those who love the club can get it to a state where, upon promotion we can actually keep growing and improving.
Those like Evers have had 50 years of what they seem to want, IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE.
Those that think that just getting new players in are also clearly wrong, we need infrastructure and goodwill that lasts more than 12 months. Their ideas have been blown out of the water as only 2 short seasons after winning by 13 points we are struggling back in League 2. We need a sustained effort to improve every single aspect of our club and DEMAND better. KT doesn't want to do it so please get out of the way and give it to those that do, afterall KT you have said on more than one occasion you want to do the right thing for the people of Northampton
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How many years would we have in order for the plan to work? If you're suggesting years 2 and 3 shortfall is made up with increased gates then that implies promotion would be required in year 1. What happens if promotion isnt achieved within the time frame?
Playing division 4 football is not an option.
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guest170
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Playing division 4 football is not an option.
But is the current reality. How many years do we have to get promoted for your suggestion to work? For an example, albeit with different challenges, it took Portsmouth 4 years to get promoted and Wycombe 5 years from when the supporters took over
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Are people who post such messages as way of an opinion allowed on this board?
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Those like Evers have had 50 years of what they seem to want, IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE.
In that 50years we have had numerous promotions and regretable relegations. We had 3 years in League 2(now Championship and one year in the now Premier League. To me those were great days and achievement. Most of us will probably welcome an improvement in Clubs persception in improving facilites let alone playing staff. To be frank the complete failure of Beds, Mecc and you to present a unified front let alone an acceptable plan to many on here strongly suggests your message is not getting through. I forsee a time when the current chairman sells and departs. Then you will be left with a consortium who dont share your views and then what?
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For an example, albeit with different challenges, it took Portsmouth 4 years to get promoted and Wycombe 5 years from when the supporters took over
unpalatable facts not allowed - Uni , sorry!
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The demand is sort of already there, we took 7000 to MK cup game, 21000 to wembley, 44000 to wembley etc. Not sure when he said that re Worcester but I expect they never had that level of proven support at any time
There is no one single answer that will keep everyone happy and solve all our problems.
What is clear is that the Northampton public is fed up with outside land investors or worse, who break their promises and have no plan for NTFC.
It is all about value, and everyones value is different but I am pretty sure that IF we were all things Beds wants, I have no doubt we would have 8-9000 at least.
Those who stay away want in bad times want to be associated with success, determination, effort and more success, what division they are in has little relevance. Leeds, Portsmouth and Sunderland all have hit massive attendances when they are around the top of the table, it doesn't matter that they were in League 1 at the time. However for this to be sustained the match day experience needs to be good to hold them when that success drops a bit and good atmosphere with facilities also then helps attract the better players, which might bring more success etc etc etc
Sorry to drag up an old post, but I have been playing catch up on this thread. Unfortunately Random you are wrong. The Northampton public do not give a flying fúck about NTFC. If we were to go down the tube tomorrow never to resurface in twelve months most people would have forgotten there ever was a football club. At the moment all they are interested in is the latest on the Cardoza/Loan saga purely for voyeuristic reasons.
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Taking the post in question you appear to assume that you speak for most on here; you don't have that mandate. You have some supporters but some of those have outlandish views so easy to ignore. It's a pity you resort to spiteful jibes on non league grounds. I don't think you have sufficient skills to push your agenda through. You struggle with your main opponent - Melly. Whether this is due to limited education or poorly developed IQ is up to you to clarify.
What a nasty comment to make.
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so what plan would be acceptable to you Evers? (i bet you don't give us anything of any substance)
I really don't even know why I am asking but a broken clock is right twice per day so you never know !
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so what plan would be acceptable to you Evers? (i bet you don't give us anything of any substance)
I really don't even know why I am asking but a broken clock is right twice per day so you never know !
A moneyed Cobblers Consortium who give the Trust a place on the board. I don't think a Fan owned club(even at 55%) will work if this Forum is anything to go by; so much discord, false prophets and too many people with plans on how to spend other peoples money. My ego does not stretch to producing and supporting an acceptable plan which suit your agenda.
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What a nasty comment to make.
which part?
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I don't think a Fan owned club(even at 55%) will work if this Forum is anything to go by; so much discord, false prophets and too many people with plans on how to spend other peoples money. My ego does not stretch to producing and supporting an acceptable plan which suit your agenda.
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guest168
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But won't your cobblers consortium be fans? and therefore the club be fan owned?
also what would you expect from a Trust member being on the board?
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Taking the post in question you appear to assume that you speak for most on here; you don't have that mandate. You have some supporters but some of those have outlandish views so easy to ignore. It's a pity you resort to spiteful jibes on non league grounds. I don't think you have sufficient skills to push your agenda through. You struggle with your main opponent - Melly. Whether this is due to limited education or poorly developed IQ is up to you to clarify.
All of the above😂😂
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This part: 'Whether this is due to limited education or poorly developed IQ is up to you to clarify.'
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This part: 'Whether this is due to limited education or poorly developed IQ is up to you to clarify.'
Now that is reasonable criticism and agree those comments can be intrerpretated as "nasty". So apologies to Beds in the first place. If he wishes I am happy to remove them. Regarding the comments has he ever justified his personal abilities to justify the type of Business Plans he has forever championed on here? Has he had experience in Financial Matters or Business Projects to justify his agenda? Beds has suffered considerable adverse comments on his views even from quite a few on here although that does not excuse me for apparently doing so. If Beds suffers adverse comment from others I hope you will take issue with them?
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Not a great deal wrong with being crazy but judging by some of your posts since August 2017 perhaps you fit this description better than I.
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Vintage Cobbler
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Let me repeat that I used Worcester RFC as an example of what one man with wealth and a commitment to his sport and club achieved and also because I have first hand knowledge as a visitor on several occasions of that club's new stand, everything that our East Stand should be and is not. I am not claiming Worcester is the financial precedent NTFC, the Trust or whoever must follow. That is for them to decide.
But I would add that Clarkey followed up my post with figures showing Worcester RFC's losses. What he didn't say was that in 2017, 1 year before the sale, Worcester RFC was valued at £26.7m (source: BBC). The accounts of that company would provide for the construction costs, capital allowances on the new stand and no corporation tax would be payable since agreed amounts of losses can be set off against income profit. Therefore, the negative financial conclusion Clarkey was impliedly presenting may not be all that it seems on the surface. In any event, the financial losses did not hinder a sale and the new owners have further expansion plans.
On the broader debate that has unfolded about fans ownership people are jumping the gun. A small number of posters expressing their views, ideas, vision is not the Trust. No plans have been announced because the financial model is not yet in place. When we all know about it then there will be a debate and not only on this site. The danger facing us is that before this happens KT/DB will have sold on to a.n. other and another X years pass of goodness knows what or who but history appears to have a nasty habit of repeating itself with NTFC's owners promising great things and delivering nothing but severe disappointment. Against that we must guard. A good and positive starting point would be to get behind the Trust, be patient whilst the detail is worked on and reserve sensible comment until that detail is in place for discussion.
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