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« Reply #24260 on: March 06, 2019, 08:26:49 am »

Well.. You've managed to state the obvious. The Trust represents its membership. Not the supporters. There are roughly 4000 odd supporters on match days who haven’t in any way endorsed the Trusts perspective on anything thus far. That’s not to say they agree with anything KT does.

What is the trust comprised of? No, don't answer that I will tell you - supporters. The government of this country represents all of us but we don't necessarily support their views and we haven't all joined a political party. The trust, so far as I know, is the only body that has been set up to represent the supporters.
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« Reply #24261 on: March 06, 2019, 10:26:40 am »

What is the trust comprised of? No, don't answer that I will tell you - supporters. The government of this country represents all of us but we don't necessarily support their views and we haven't all joined a political party. The trust, so far as I know, is the only body that has been set up to represent the supporters.

I won't get into the difference of a democratically approved public body, comparative to a co-operative. I think it's fair to say you might be putting a bit of a creative spin on a rather week point.

Either way. I am more than happy to hear and accept that the Trust should be appreciated for what they are doing in bringing some salient points to the fore.
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« Reply #24262 on: March 06, 2019, 10:44:55 am »

Trump card my arse Tel  Grin Grin Grin Grin

...any owner of a football club has the ultimate trump card & if they play it, the complaints of today would pale into insignificance.

I've lost a lot of faith in KT over the last 6 months or so but I'm still to have any confidence in the vague alternative proposals being mentioned
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« Reply #24263 on: March 06, 2019, 11:13:18 am »

...any owner of a football club has the ultimate trump card & if they play it, the complaints of today would pale into insignificance.

I've lost a lot of faith in KT over the last 6 months or so but I'm still to have any confidence in the vague alternative proposals being mentioned

I just can't see him sitting back. I don't know anything specific.

As for any owner being able to assuage complaints. You and I both know that's not true. I only have to listen to talk sport for half an hour to hear Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool fans calling in moaning about the owners. I will guarantee that within ten minutes of whoever eventually takes over at NTFC coming in, the shyte will start. And it will be the same people. Because it ALWAYS is. That's just the way they are wired up.
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« Reply #24264 on: March 06, 2019, 12:02:24 pm »


As for any owner being able to assuage complaints. You and I both know that's not true. I only have to listen to talk sport for half an hour to hear Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool fans calling in moaning about the owners. I will guarantee that within ten minutes of whoever eventually takes over at NTFC coming in, the shyte will start. And it will be the same people. Because it ALWAYS is. That's just the way they are wired up.

100% agree - I mentioned it on here years ago a close business colleague of mine was considering joining the board at Bradford PA with a sizable cash injection but listening to the abuse the directors got at games, on social media etc he changed his mind - same people, same rhetoric and bizarre sense of entitlement. 
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« Reply #24265 on: March 11, 2019, 08:43:02 am »



You and I both know that's not true. I only have to listen to talk sport for half an hour to hear Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool fans calling in moaning about the owners. I will guarantee that within ten minutes of whoever eventually takes over at NTFC coming in, the shyte will start. And it will be the same people. Because it ALWAYS is. That's just the way they are wired up.

It's called passion. It changes your sense of reality and is often misplaced, just let it go.

I'm not sure how much you will understand these people being such a rational and logical chap, we're all wired differently. Have you never screamed at the wife? Do you not make her scream?

West Brom just sacked Darren Moore, where's the rationale that? Football is like no other business in so many regards, so stop feeling sorry for individuals who want to get involved with their eyes wide open.
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« Reply #24266 on: March 11, 2019, 13:44:03 pm »

It's called passion. It changes your sense of reality and is often misplaced, just let it go.

I'm not sure how much you will understand these people being such a rational and logical chap, we're all wired differently. Have you never screamed at the wife? Do you not make her scream?

West Brom just sacked Darren Moore, where's the rationale that? Football is like no other business in so many regards, so stop feeling sorry for individuals who want to get involved with their eyes wide open.

As usual you have got yourself all worked up, due to a basic lack of comprehension. Naturally I understand that commonsense is often a casualty in these circumstances. But, it is a bit strange that it generally adversely afflicts a specific group more than most of us. In the appropriate circumstances like at a match, my passion is equal to all. But once you have left the sporting arena; and you have taken a few minutes to share your reaction on something, commonsense should prevail.

I have been with my wife for 30 years. We have engaged in a number of passionate activities. None of them involved shouting/screaming at each other. I'll give it go sometimes. Is their a specific chant that you use during your passionate activities?  Grin Grin Tongue

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« Reply #24267 on: March 11, 2019, 17:12:25 pm »

As usual you have got yourself all worked up, due to a basic lack of comprehension. Naturally I understand that commonsense is often a casualty in these circumstances. But, it is a bit strange that it generally adversely afflicts a specific group more than most of us. In the appropriate circumstances like at a match, my passion is equal to all. But once you have left the sporting arena; and you have taken a few minutes to share your reaction on something, commonsense should prevail.

I have been with my wife for 30 years. We have engaged in a number of passionate activities. None of them involved shouting/screaming at each other. I'll give it go sometimes. Is their a specific chant that you use during your passionate activities?  Grin Grin Tongue



 Grin I lost any comprehension years ago. I live on a hippy island full of mind altering drugs, surrounded by women wearing only string. What the fuck would I know, quite right!

You could try a little Tantric yoga sex maybe, if you've not tried it before? That involves some mild chanting, there's quite a bit going on in the Yoga schools here. Well done on the 30 years, keep it up son, so to speak.

On an alternative note... I do think all these analogies with airlines and other businesses a bit pointless whatever sensible slant you try to put on it. Football is like no other business, how on earth you can make any realistic financial forecasts is beyond me. There is no sensible structure, you can't make it to The Premiership and all the rewards running a fish and chip shop, even if you're Harry Ramsden. Would you pay £35m for a fish fryer?

This is why nobody has a solution, KT or supporters, football clubs are like marriages!

Keeping to topic though, I'm firmly in the camp of building your way to success off field first, this is the development thread after all! This has been the whole chicken and egg argument since the opening paragraph. The feel good factor around the club was high when DC took over and he systemically but cleverly dismantled it from day one without arousing suspicion. The long game. If the club had been in good hands after Barry Stonhill and the ground had been expanded at the time with some imagination this upward curve would quite possibly have continued.

You can attract new custom and stimulate ambition through construction, this has been proved successful through centuries. Funding bricks and mortar is also a separate issue to funding a team, guarantees are a starting point. With the conversation of "fan" ownership and whatever that may be, the stadium has again become the elephant in the room with it's lack of alternative revenue streams and the capacity so low.

However romantic, a team alone as Wimbledon managed back in the day, will not magic the club to the upper echelons without the stadium to support it, not now, as any potential will be lost to higher aspirations. Sadly I feel we'll tread water until this boil from our collective arses can be lanced.

The saddest aspect to it all, is that our club has never really had the owners it deserves.





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« Reply #24268 on: March 15, 2019, 19:41:04 pm »

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/trust-try-to-clear-up-confusion-over-publication-of-much-criticised-project-proud-to-be-document-1-8851015
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« Reply #24269 on: March 15, 2019, 19:44:49 pm »

You're an Administrator - explain what the Chron article has to do with the Redevelopment?
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« Reply #24270 on: March 15, 2019, 19:49:08 pm »

You're an Administrator - explain what the Chron article has to do with the Redevelopment?

The Fan Ownership thread has run it's course and has evolved into what effectively was a hybrid of the Redev thread, one had to be sacrificed...first in, last out.
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« Reply #24271 on: March 15, 2019, 22:30:08 pm »

The Fan Ownership thread has run it's course and has evolved into what effectively was a hybrid of the Redev thread, one had to be sacrificed...first in, last out.

The problem with locking threads is that you have now enabled individuals to deliberately sabotage a topic to serve their own agenda? We are all guilty of drifting off topic and perhaps being a source of frustration, myself included, but if a forum is to be impartial then I feel a little caution should be taken with this policy? Hardly life or death but felt it needed saying. Incidentally are we to start a new thread about the ongoing discussions regarding fan ownership or is the subject now off topic as the East Stand will invariably form part of that discussion and be locked again? Or are we expected to now include the topic as part of this thread and wade through the usual crap to have a chat regarding fan ownership?
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« Reply #24272 on: March 15, 2019, 23:24:34 pm »

Fan ownership and the re-development of the ground, although connected are two different subjects and merit their own threads. Fan ownership is more than just about the East Stand re-development.
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« Reply #24273 on: March 15, 2019, 23:44:22 pm »

Fan ownership and the re-development of the ground, although connected are two different subjects and merit their own threads. Fan ownership is more than just about the East Stand re-development.
Apparently not?
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« Reply #24274 on: March 16, 2019, 10:09:58 am »

The problem with locking threads is that you have now enabled individuals to deliberately sabotage a topic to serve their own agenda? We are all guilty of drifting off topic and perhaps being a source of frustration, myself included, but if a forum is to be impartial then I feel a little caution should be taken with this policy? Hardly life or death but felt it needed saying. Incidentally are we to start a new thread about the ongoing discussions regarding fan ownership or is the subject now off topic as the East Stand will invariably form part of that discussion and be locked again? Or are we expected to now include the topic as part of this thread and wade through the usual crap to have a chat regarding fan ownership?

The thread was locked because it had moved away from fan ownership back into another argument about the current ownership and the perceived state of inertia surrounding the club. Discussion had mostly stopped about the make up of possible ownership models. It was wandering back into the usual unsubstantiated stuff about KT. 

Contributors have felt comfortable discussing the latter subjects raised on the fan ownership thread on this thread for some considerable time. In addition to this, there is no ownership change on the table at the moment. So the tread was evolving from a discussion on options that are not currently present, to another debate about KT.

In the meantime it is a lot easier for people to discuss how KT or whoever should spend their money on here..






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« Reply #24275 on: March 16, 2019, 10:31:21 am »

I see the latest instalment of Sixfields version of a soap opera was aired again yesterday,  but sadly for the first time in over a decade they failed to even mention the East stand redevelopment  🤔
Could it be they will put it on a part 2?
 Or  possibly we've been mislead and they never really had any intent on doing anything ?

Best time to bury bad news is during an upturn of form.
Well played guys🤣🤣
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« Reply #24276 on: March 16, 2019, 12:26:30 pm »

I suspect the information we require needs to come from Cllr Nunn?
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« Reply #24277 on: March 16, 2019, 12:26:43 pm »

The thread was locked because it had moved away from fan ownership back into another argument about the current ownership and the perceived state of inertia surrounding the club. Discussion had mostly stopped about the make up of possible ownership models. It was wandering back into the usual unsubstantiated stuff about KT. 

Contributors have felt comfortable discussing the latter subjects raised on the fan ownership thread on this thread for some considerable time. In addition to this, there is no ownership change on the table at the moment. So the tread was evolving from a discussion on options that are not currently present, to another debate about KT.

In the meantime it is a lot easier for people to discuss how KT or whoever should spend their money on here..







Disagree actually, the usual suspects hijack the discussion, individuals respond, yourself included and all of a sudden we’re back on here where any sensible debate is lost in the endless round of KT bashing and finance sourced from the money tree behind the west stand. Still if your happy for Bedridden and Randy to control the site that’s up to you, you’re in charge. Pi55 poor judgment IMO though.
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« Reply #24278 on: March 16, 2019, 13:03:04 pm »

I see the latest instalment of Sixfields version of a soap opera was aired again yesterday,  but sadly for the first time in over a decade they failed to even mention the East stand redevelopment  🤔
Could it be they will put it on a part 2?
 Or  possibly we've been mislead and they never really had any intent on doing anything ?

Best time to bury bad news is during an upturn of form.
Well played guys🤣🤣

Not so Beds, but if you nodded off because you had seen this latest episode from the Sixfields Studios countless times before that is completely understandable.

Towards the end on the East Stand KT says;

“We are making progress on the stand and we have good discussions with the Council……………”

KT also says “the club looks very healthy”

Earlier in the “interview” Gareth Wilsher says the “club is in a pretty good place” and then later the club is in a “really good place”

These videos are carefully crafted with a pre-set message as you can see from the quotes above.

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« Reply #24279 on: March 16, 2019, 13:12:59 pm »

Is it any surprise when the club keep getting attacked by people who continue to say that the club is financially not secure?
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