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« Reply #26760 on: June 11, 2020, 10:00:13 am »

Can you put it on here?

Just added it to my original post...
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« Reply #26761 on: June 11, 2020, 10:00:23 am »

I hesitate to say this as it will undoubtedly be seen by some as more trust-bashing but... what are they trying to achieve with that statement? It reads as a series of veiled digs at the owners AND the council. What's to be gained by putting all involved party's backs up?

The only people that will appease is the baying mob of commenters on the Chron's Facebook page, who haven't followed the story in any detail and just want "their" £10m back from the football club.
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« Reply #26762 on: June 11, 2020, 10:13:13 am »

Can you put it on here?

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« Reply #26763 on: June 11, 2020, 10:39:17 am »

It would be nice to see some kind of statement from the club about this - I don’t think I’ve seen anything to date? Just out of interest - and the last thing I want to do is drag myself into the trust/anti-trust argument - whoever is doing the PR for the trust at the moment isn’t really doing themselves any favours. Did I read somewhere that the ex-Chron journo Andy Roberts is heavily involved and Tom Reed?
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« Reply #26764 on: June 11, 2020, 11:29:20 am »

BBC reporter Marc Webber tweeted a reply to me saying that it will be discussed further on the returning Cobblers Show next Wednesday evening on Radio Northampton.

Not sure if KT will be on the show but I'm sure questions will have been asked by then.

I'm taking it as a positive as it's the first time a deadline (31/07/2020) has ever been mentioned regarding this.

Would make perfect sense for the work to commence whilst no fans are able to attend games.

Here's hoping!
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« Reply #26765 on: June 11, 2020, 12:06:39 pm »

BBC reporter Marc Webber tweeted a reply to me saying that it will be discussed further on the returning Cobblers Show next Wednesday evening on Radio Northampton.

Not sure if KT will be on the show but I'm sure questions will have been asked by then.

I'm taking it as a positive as it's the first time a deadline (31/07/2020) has ever been mentioned regarding this.

Would make perfect sense for the work to commence whilst no fans are able to attend games.

Here's hoping!

Having a deadline can be seen both ways. Its good knowing that we may have some progress by a certain date, but what happens if the Club do not meet this deadline? Is that it as far as the current owners are concerned? Do this deal and sort out the redev or else your chance is gone?

I'm also confused why the Council have put a £3m cap on the price of finishing the stand? Isn't that up to the owners to decide? If they want to spend £10m on a super stand it seems the council would not allow this....I don't get it!
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« Reply #26766 on: June 11, 2020, 12:34:07 pm »

Just added it to my original post...

Excellent, thank you.  Wink
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« Reply #26767 on: June 11, 2020, 12:43:10 pm »

What an awful response from the Trust. Just further confirmation how detached they are becoming from the fans with their constant belittling of  Northampton Town Football Club.
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« Reply #26768 on: June 11, 2020, 12:43:18 pm »

BBC reporter Marc Webber tweeted a reply to me saying that it will be discussed further on the returning Cobblers Show next Wednesday evening on Radio Northampton.

Not sure if KT will be on the show but I'm sure questions will have been asked by then.

I'm taking it as a positive as it's the first time a deadline (31/07/2020) has ever been mentioned regarding this.

Would make perfect sense for the work to commence whilst no fans are able to attend games.

Here's hoping!

I am going to wager a bet here (online of course) that agreement in principle is reached and that the day before the builders are due back on site, the UK goes into lockdown again! Grin
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« Reply #26769 on: June 11, 2020, 13:47:37 pm »

In respect of the Trusts statement. Another poorly advised response by a totally out of touch body.

The vast majority of responses are indicative of the current relationship between the support and the Trust.

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« Reply #26770 on: June 11, 2020, 13:59:50 pm »

I think the trust have shot themselves in the foot with this one, it seems all they want to do is score points off the current management team, I don't think that is the case but thats how it comes across.
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« Reply #26771 on: June 11, 2020, 14:25:43 pm »

The Trust is not a supporters club like Sixfields Travel and the “endorsed” Facebook Shoe Army, it is doing its job.  Too many of the posters on here are far too quick to criticise the Trust and far too slow to seek to hold our owners to account.  Many memories are short and 2014/2015 has been conveniently wiped from mental hard discs.

The club has not commented on the BBC article because it does not want to, by which I mean it does not want supporters to know any detail of what is in progress. We may get another in the KT series of “good progress” updates that tell us nothing and many of you will swallow it hook, line and sinker and think he is doing a great job.  Only a few raise valid questions and the Trust is one of that number.  KT does not like that one bit.  Something about the inconvenient truth.

The BBC article is less than clear but I am going to predict for those who seem to think the building contractors are going to be on site in a couple of months time that you are likely to be disappointed.  I know a few things about property development and a lot about the situation on the East Stand and the land behind it.  My knowledge is up to the beginning of this year plus what little I can make of the BBC article.  I have read all the disclosures made under the FOIA process and my conclusion is that our owners’ strategy is to get the Council to agree that the East Stand will only completed out of profits from the development (probably from the sale of plots) of land behind the stand and beyond.  The £4 million spoken about in 2015 for finishing the stand is a broken assurance.  No profits or the certainty of profits from plot pre-sales with planning permission and there will be no stand.  The club are indebted to our owners and their associated companies for over £5 million and rising.  Full praise to our owners astute financial management and their misguided supporters! Apart from perhaps a finished stand, completed to what standard I dread to think, the realistic prospect is that any profits from the land development will be used to settle the debt leaving the club with very little for its future prosperity.

We could be in for a long wait but yesterday’s story is perhaps a small step forward in what I venture to say will still be a long journey. It looks like the Council has still to approve whatever the deal is (no Cabinet meeting has been recorded minuting approval) and the opposition parties and some Tory councillors may have something to say about the failure of our owners to do what they said they would do when being allowed to buy the club in 2015 and then there is the matter of the Council being under a legal obligation to secure best value for the Northampton tax payers from the sale of public land.  It is not a done deal.


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« Reply #26772 on: June 11, 2020, 14:42:19 pm »

I have great respect for the trust

They relinquished their board representation when KT came in and now they moan when they are not kept in the loop  Grin  Grin  Grin

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« Reply #26773 on: June 11, 2020, 14:51:40 pm »

Errant nonsense, Shoey. Get your facts right. The Trust reps resigned when the Cardoza scandal broke.  KT does not want any directors other than his own clique for obvious reasons.
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« Reply #26774 on: June 11, 2020, 14:53:01 pm »

The Trust is not a supporters club like Sixfields Travel and the “endorsed” Facebook Shoe Army, it is doing its job.  Too many of the posters on here are far too quick to criticise the Trust and far too slow to seek to hold our owners to account.  Many memories are short and 2014/2015 has been conveniently wiped from mental hard discs.

I just think the Trust Board is singing from a different song sheet to its members and the main body of the support. Nothing more than that....

All of this could have been so much easier, had they put the same effort into canvassing their membership about the development issues, as they do into sending out tickets for the Christmas raffle.
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« Reply #26775 on: June 11, 2020, 14:53:27 pm »

It would be nice to see some kind of statement from the club about this - I don’t think I’ve seen anything to date? Just out of interest - and the last thing I want to do is drag myself into the trust/anti-trust argument - whoever is doing the PR for the trust at the moment isn’t really doing themselves any favours. Did I read somewhere that the ex-Chron journo Andy Roberts is heavily involved and Tom Reed?

Andy Roberts is the Trust's Chairman. Tom Reed is not a Trust director and is an independent journalist.
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« Reply #26776 on: June 11, 2020, 15:00:44 pm »

The Trust is not a supporters club like Sixfields Travel and the “endorsed” Facebook Shoe Army, it is doing its job.  Too many of the posters on here are far too quick to criticise the Trust and far too slow to seek to hold our owners to account.  Many memories are short and 2014/2015 has been conveniently wiped from mental hard discs.

The club has not commented on the BBC article because it does not want to, by which I mean it does not want supporters to know any detail of what is in progress. We may get another in the KT series of “good progress” updates that tell us nothing and many of you will swallow it hook, line and sinker and think he is doing a great job.  Only a few raise valid questions and the Trust is one of that number.  KT does not like that one bit.  Something about the inconvenient truth.

The BBC article is less than clear but I am going to predict for those who seem to think the building contractors are going to be on site in a couple of months time that you are likely to be disappointed.  I know a few things about property development and a lot about the situation on the East Stand and the land behind it.  My knowledge is up to the beginning of this year plus what little I can make of the BBC article.  I have read all the disclosures made under the FOIA process and my conclusion is that our owners’ strategy is to get the Council to agree that the East Stand will only completed out of profits from the development (probably from the sale of plots) of land behind the stand and beyond.  The £4 million spoken about in 2015 for finishing the stand is a broken assurance.  No profits or the certainty of profits from plot pre-sales with planning permission and there will be no stand.  The club are indebted to our owners and their associated companies for over £5 million and rising.  Full praise to our owners astute financial management and their misguided supporters! Apart from perhaps a finished stand, completed to what standard I dread to think, the realistic prospect is that any profits from the land development will be used to settle the debt leaving the club with very little for its future prosperity.

We could be in for a long wait but yesterday’s story is perhaps a small step forward in what I venture to say will still be a long journey. It looks like the Council has still to approve whatever the deal is (no Cabinet meeting has been recorded minuting approval) and the opposition parties and some Tory councillors may have something to say about the failure of our owners to do what they said they would do when being allowed to buy the club in 2015 and then there is the matter of the Council being under a legal obligation to secure best value for the Northampton tax payers from the sale of public land.  It is not a done deal.




Just because people don't agree with the Trust statement does not automatically mean they are lined up with KT, we can all see what has and hasn't been done and we can also all come to our own conclusions on KT's motives for doing things, it doesn't mean we are right. I think instead of constantly sniping at KT the Trust needs to see what the support as a whole wants and so far I have seen most posters on here and the various FB groups feel that there was no need for the comments from the Trust. I could be wrong and the supporter base is 100% behind the trust and want KT out but I am just not seeing it. I think we all want the saga to end but some of us are prepared to see what happens rather than being constantly negative.
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« Reply #26777 on: June 11, 2020, 15:23:21 pm »

Errant nonsense, Shoey. Get your facts right. The Trust reps resigned when the Cardoza scandal broke.  KT does not want any directors other than his own clique for obvious reasons.
No

KT made his takeover conditional on the basis that the trust had no board representation and they agreed.
Their reasoning at the time was that the club would fold if they did not agree....
They didn’t question it and agreed.....

At that moment the trust was sidelined , worthless and had no purpose other than running car boot sales.
They gave money they raised to a chairman who made it clear he wanted nothing to do with them and still continue to moan about it.

The trust have now found that they only find things out just the same as any other fan and why they claim to represent the fan base is a mystery to me because they have no board representation and the club refuse to listen or interact with them.

They should just wind the trust up now as they are obsolete although in reality they were obsolete the day KT took over

If you can find my posts at the time I gave my opinion that it wouldn’t end well and so it has come to pass

The day the trust had zero board representation was the day they should have folded and not try to keep up a five year charade that they are anything but impotent....

The club don’t want them.
The club won’t listen to them
The club won’t acknowledge them

They have no more influence/input than a group of fans sat around a table in sixfields tavern prior to a match , in fact the fans in the pub may have more influence at the current time because KT may acknowledge them

The trust decided their own fate five years ago and need to realise this.

Sad but true.
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« Reply #26778 on: June 11, 2020, 15:35:07 pm »

Andy Roberts is the Trust's Chairman. Tom Reed is not a Trust director and is an independent journalist.

I know very little personally about Andy Roberts other than that he’s a lifelong cobblers fan and I enjoyed his work when he worked at the Chron, Tom Reed has certainly come out with a few strange ideas both on here and at various notorious trust meetings - I’m sure his hearts in the right place but it’s like he’s desperate to turn us into some kind of socialist experiment. I don’t know what the timeline looks like but it seems like a lot of the poor PR and attempts at spin have been on their watch?
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« Reply #26779 on: June 11, 2020, 15:38:30 pm »

The Trust is not a supporters club like Sixfields Travel and the “endorsed” Facebook Shoe Army, it is doing its job.  Too many of the posters on here are far too quick to criticise the Trust and far too slow to seek to hold our owners to account.  Many memories are short and 2014/2015 has been conveniently wiped from mental hard discs.

The club has not commented on the BBC article because it does not want to, by which I mean it does not want supporters to know any detail of what is in progress. We may get another in the KT series of “good progress” updates that tell us nothing and many of you will swallow it hook, line and sinker and think he is doing a great job.  Only a few raise valid questions and the Trust is one of that number.  KT does not like that one bit.  Something about the inconvenient truth.

The BBC article is less than clear but I am going to predict for those who seem to think the building contractors are going to be on site in a couple of months time that you are likely to be disappointed.  I know a few things about property development and a lot about the situation on the East Stand and the land behind it.  My knowledge is up to the beginning of this year plus what little I can make of the BBC article.  I have read all the disclosures made under the FOIA process and my conclusion is that our owners’ strategy is to get the Council to agree that the East Stand will only completed out of profits from the development (probably from the sale of plots) of land behind the stand and beyond.  The £4 million spoken about in 2015 for finishing the stand is a broken assurance.  No profits or the certainty of profits from plot pre-sales with planning permission and there will be no stand.  The club are indebted to our owners and their associated companies for over £5 million and rising.  Full praise to our owners astute financial management and their misguided supporters! Apart from perhaps a finished stand, completed to what standard I dread to think, the realistic prospect is that any profits from the land development will be used to settle the debt leaving the club with very little for its future prosperity.

We could be in for a long wait but yesterday’s story is perhaps a small step forward in what I venture to say will still be a long journey. It looks like the Council has still to approve whatever the deal is (no Cabinet meeting has been recorded minuting approval) and the opposition parties and some Tory councillors may have something to say about the failure of our owners to do what they said they would do when being allowed to buy the club in 2015 and then there is the matter of the Council being under a legal obligation to secure best value for the Northampton tax payers from the sale of public land.  It is not a done deal.


Another big yawn - have a word with Jonny Précis?

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