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« Reply #26980 on: August 01, 2020, 20:43:32 pm »

Can someone smarter than me locate in the Trust accounts where the loan to the football club is? Just been trying to have a look for it so I can question the club.

https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/10000-set-aside-for-hardship-fund-for-ntfc-staff
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« Reply #26981 on: August 02, 2020, 09:06:38 am »

Oh dear that won’t suit some people’s agenda.
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« Reply #26982 on: August 02, 2020, 10:45:31 am »


With respect, that is a press release. The question was where is the loan shown in the accounts.
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« Reply #26983 on: August 02, 2020, 12:30:35 pm »

Oh dear that won’t suit some people’s agenda.

Least of all the Trust 😀
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« Reply #26984 on: August 02, 2020, 13:10:12 pm »

I could be mistaken but I see KT’s band of loyalists (how’s it going Tel and Charles?) are busy at work doing their master’s bidding. 

And the Trust is accused of having an agenda! Classic diversionary tactics from the Trump (KT) playbook. Keep it up chaps, you are doing well.

Strange how some are getting up a head of steam up about this minor matter as though it is an issue of grave importance when the very same people have conspicuously failed to comment on the absence of any reference at all in the accounts of NTFC and associated companies for financial year 2017-2018 of anything received from 5USports.  Oh sorry, I forgot, of course no money was received and the club has been sustained since June 2017 by the benevolence of our owners. Silly me.
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« Reply #26985 on: August 02, 2020, 13:23:23 pm »

With respect, that is a press release. The question was where is the loan shown in the accounts.

With respect, what was the OP trying to ask? Whether it was a loan or a gift? Or just whether it actually existed in the first place?

There are subsequent "press releases" relating to the loan too....can't find one saying its been paid back though.......

I'm just guessing here, but in the 2015/16 accounts it shows "Donations to NTFC and NTMDFC : £12,663"    The figures either side of this year are in the range of £1,700 to £4,900. Seems like the £10k has been lumped into that figure on their expenditure sheet for the financial year.

https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/uploads/files/p1e8rjpqjnerrrc41fkb1d5i1mk68.pdf
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« Reply #26986 on: August 02, 2020, 14:34:14 pm »

Apologies to you all and especially to Gareth Willsher, Head of Media at NTFC who I forgot to mention in my earlier post.

Gareth is a monitoring this board closely and extracting from it posts that are supportive of his paymaster and these wing their way to NBC and other interested parties,.  Great work, Gareth but a word of advice - never lose sight that some of us are well informed and prepared for this nonsense. Good servant that he is I recall Gareth being loyal to our illustrious previous owners to the very end.   And we know what happened next but he survived.  One day he may run out of owners to serve but give him credit, he knows on which side his bread is buttered for the present.
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« Reply #26987 on: August 02, 2020, 14:42:54 pm »

I could be mistaken but I see KT’s band of loyalists (how’s it going Tel and Charles?) are busy at work doing their master’s bidding. 

And the Trust is accused of having an agenda! Classic diversionary tactics from the Trump (KT) playbook. Keep it up chaps, you are doing well.

Strange how some are getting up a head of steam up about this minor matter as though it is an issue of grave importance when the very same people have conspicuously failed to comment on the absence of any reference at all in the accounts of NTFC and associated companies for financial year 2017-2018 of anything received from 5USports.  Oh sorry, I forgot, of course no money was received and the club has been sustained since June 2017 by the benevolence of our owners. Silly me.

Good afternoon to you too Vintage.

When you have some evidence of any money being received I'll pay attention to your question regarding 5USport. Your assumption is based on an opinion only. One that you're entitled to have I'll add.

You state that it is a minor issue, and it is in the grand scheme of things but the big thing the Trust keep asking for is transparency from NTFC and NBC. I have seen posts on Facebook over the last couple of days from members of the Trust's board stating that money was loaned to the football club back in 2015.

In one of those posts it is stated that the club is yet to repay the "loan".

In another post - from the Trust's own Facebook account on their page, it is stated that the loan was given in cash, as requested by James Whiting and as it stands the Trust "have not asked for a repayment."

Now I may just have my "loyalist" hat on but the way I read the post that said it is "yet to be repaid" was that it was felt the club should have repaid it by now. But the Trust have confirmed in an official post that repayment hasn't been requested. So which is it?

The Trust say we should be asking questions. It feels like you, Vintage, don't think questions should be asked of the Trust. Is that true?
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« Reply #26988 on: August 02, 2020, 14:44:09 pm »

With respect, what was the OP trying to ask? Whether it was a loan or a gift? Or just whether it actually existed in the first place?

There are subsequent "press releases" relating to the loan too....can't find one saying its been paid back though.......

I'm just guessing here, but in the 2015/16 accounts it shows "Donations to NTFC and NTMDFC : £12,663"    The figures either side of this year are in the range of £1,700 to £4,900. Seems like the £10k has been lumped into that figure on their expenditure sheet for the financial year.

https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/uploads/files/p1e8rjpqjnerrrc41fkb1d5i1mk68.pdf

Donations to NTFC and NTMDFC : £12,663 So not a loan then?
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« Reply #26989 on: August 02, 2020, 14:46:39 pm »

I could be mistaken but I see KT’s band of loyalists (how’s it going Tel and Charles?) are busy at work doing their master’s bidding. 

And the Trust is accused of having an agenda! Classic diversionary tactics from the Trump (KT) playbook. Keep it up chaps, you are doing well.

Strange how some are getting up a head of steam up about this minor matter as though it is an issue of grave importance when the very same people have conspicuously failed to comment on the absence of any reference at all in the accounts of NTFC and associated companies for financial year 2017-2018 of anything received from 5USports.  Oh sorry, I forgot, of course no money was received and the club has been sustained since June 2017 by the benevolence of our owners. Silly me.

If you’re going to react to that exposed nerve.. At least have the spine to do it without a caveat..

I have asked you over and over again to assert any evidence that you have, that I have allegiance, affiliation, or indeed bias towards KT. You have failed so far to come up with anything. Let alone anything tangible or credible. Just childish renditions of an unfounded plot, that extends no further than yours and the Trust boards paranoid perspective.

My stance in neutral. I have posted numerous times, expressing my dismay at the pathetic nature of the Trusts stance, and my disappointment at the clubs lack of engagement. Unlike you, I do not reside on either side. I will not let go of my original point. Once the Trust board has the bottle to ask it membership what it wants, I, and many others will support them. Until then, it is not reflective of the support.


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« Reply #26990 on: August 02, 2020, 15:13:46 pm »

Wazzacobbler - if you have questions to ask of the Trust and on the assumption you are a member (otherwise you have no status to ask any questions about its accounts) send your questions to the Trust - it has a website and email of its own in case you hadn't noticed.  Don't expect comments you post here to be answered by the Trust.

But it is really pathetic and small minded that you bang on about the Trust and this small financial matter. Anyone would think you have an agenda! Talk about not seeing the wood from the trees. But that I realise is a deliberate ploy by you to defect attention from what I would describe as inconvenient truths concerning much more important and bigger things, including the redevelopment (have you forgotten this is what this thread is about?) to which events in 2017 are intrinsically linked. KT is rattled and using all his manipulative skills amongst his small army of loyalists to rubbish those outside his tent. He has a very thin skin.

Try engaging your brain and look at what was reported in 2017 about the Chinese deal and if you know how follow the paper trail do just that. When you have, draw logical conclusions. That is all.

And remember one thing - truth and oil always comes to the surface. The question is when, I don't have the answer to that one but it will and you and others will have red faces.

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« Reply #26991 on: August 02, 2020, 15:18:59 pm »

Donations to NTFC and NTMDFC : £12,663 So not a loan then?

Well all I can say is that in the Financial Statement it is shown in that category rather than shown as anything else. So in plain black and white terms it looks like a donation rather than a loan.....however I remember it being said at the time that it was a loan, and in the following few press releases it was referred to as a loan to set up a hardship fund to pay the non-playing staff (who were not being paid at the time)

From the Trust press release on 20th November 2015.....

"Mindful that playing staff have been paid via the PFA, the Trust board has decided to set aside £10,000 to create a hardship fund to support the non-playing staff.  

We shall be in touch with the club to agree the details and the most pressing individual needs.

We should stress that the fund will be repayable to the Trust if and when a takeover is complete, but for now the immediate priority is to support the staff in this desperate situation."

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« Reply #26992 on: August 02, 2020, 15:37:05 pm »

Well all I can say is that in the Financial Statement it is shown in that category rather than shown as anything else. So in plain black and white terms it looks like a donation rather than a loan.....however I remember it being said at the time that it was a loan, and in the following few press releases it was referred to as a loan to set up a hardship fund to pay the non-playing staff (who were not being paid at the time)

From the Trust press release on 20th November 2015.....

"Mindful that playing staff have been paid via the PFA, the Trust board has decided to set aside £10,000 to create a hardship fund to support the non-playing staff.  

We shall be in touch with the club to agree the details and the most pressing individual needs.

We should stress that the fund will be repayable to the Trust if and when a takeover is complete, but for now the immediate priority is to support the staff in this desperate situation."



So who owes the supporters Trust membership the money?
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« Reply #26993 on: August 02, 2020, 15:38:47 pm »

I'm a life member of the Trust and have had a few conversations with Andy Roberts about concerns I have had in the past. I also gave him my time and advice on making the Trust more visible to the younger, next generation of Trust members on social media. Since that chat the Trust are far more visible, which is a good thing.

You have a fair point about asking the Trust directly to answer any questions I have for them. Maybe you should take the same approach with your questions about the club and council and redevelopment?

I'm not sure how you can say I've banged on about this point. I made 3 posts on the subject. The first was to point out that the link provided by GPC didn't answer the original poster's question. The second was to you and the third was in answer to GPC's post about the accounts.

I have engaged my brain on more than one occasion with regards to the 5USport deal. I've gone back and re-read all of the press releases and followed the paper trail. I failed to find any evidence whatsoever of any money being received by NTFC, it's parent company or any of its owners.

If you have uncovered some evidence of wrong doing then I'd be very happy to hear and see it.

I'll ask the question I posed to you previously once more, Vintage. Is it true that you don't think that questions should be asked of the Supporters Trust in the same was as they say we should ask questions of the club and council?

To make it clear. I am asking for your opinion, not the Trust's or anyone else's.

Thanks.
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« Reply #26994 on: August 02, 2020, 15:42:06 pm »

Well all I can say is that in the Financial Statement it is shown in that category rather than shown as anything else. So in plain black and white terms it looks like a donation rather than a loan.....however I remember it being said at the time that it was a loan, and in the following few press releases it was referred to as a loan to set up a hardship fund to pay the non-playing staff (who were not being paid at the time)

From the Trust press release on 20th November 2015.....

"Mindful that playing staff have been paid via the PFA, the Trust board has decided to set aside £10,000 to create a hardship fund to support the non-playing staff.  

We shall be in touch with the club to agree the details and the most pressing individual needs.

We should stress that the fund will be repayable to the Trust if and when a takeover is complete, but for now the immediate priority is to support the staff in this desperate situation."



Thank you GPC.
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« Reply #26995 on: August 02, 2020, 16:10:39 pm »

Wazzacobbler - I am not here to answer any questions on behalf of the Trust. As I said, take up your question(s) direct with the Trust please. I post here my own right and not for anyone other than myself.  I hope that is clear.

With respect, the very last place I would disclose any information about the Chinese deal, assuming I had any such information, would be here. I did not come down with the last shower. I know the players on this site.  Enough said other to add sorry, Gareth Willsher, but I am not not going to give you the pleasure of running into your boss’ virtual Florida office with anything of any value. 

Charles, if you can’t work it out in broad terms (I appreciate the “significant amount” that changed hands with 5USports according to The Athletic’s article is undisclosed) then at least remember 2+2 = 4 and not 5). 

As to NBC and the club, events will unfold in the coming weeks and most importantly on the redevelopment. So, wait and see. I am sure it is going to be interesting.


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« Reply #26996 on: August 02, 2020, 16:39:24 pm »

Wazzacobbler - I am not here to answer any questions on behalf of the Trust. As I said, take up your question(s) direct with the Trust please. I post here my own right and not for anyone other than myself.  I hope that is clear.

Let’s hope it’s clear with you that others should be afforded the same neutrally with their posts. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.
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« Reply #26997 on: August 02, 2020, 16:46:23 pm »

I have no idea what you are trying to say. My position is clear and enough said for now.
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« Reply #26998 on: August 02, 2020, 17:45:17 pm »

The club says the truth will come out. Vintage says the truth will come out. The Trust says the truth will come out.

I love the fact that so many people know so much but don't share that with those that really matter, the fans.

Vintage with all due respect, you do have an agenda and have done for a very very long time. The Trust may well not do. You do.

I don't think you even know what will make you happy anymore.

On the money from the Trust thing, I simply wanted to ask the football club why they haven't paid it back. I can't work out if the Trust wanted it paid back now though? Especially if it was put through the accounts as a donation.
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« Reply #26999 on: August 02, 2020, 18:12:40 pm »

I am not sure that either the club or the Trust have ever said the truth will come out.  I said this afternoon that truth & oil always come to the surface. I hope so but that remains to be seen.

I was listening to a Kieran Maguire (of Price of Football fame) podcast fairly recently and the discussion was about football clubs’ financial information.  Maguire was answering questions/complaints from supporters about the lack of financial information available to supporters and his simple answer was that it is not disclosed or it is hidden because football club owners do not want supporters to know. And there you have it. 

I think we as supporters should and are entitled to know and, if in the case of our club, I can do anything to make this happen I will.  If that is an agenda (I hate this over-used word) then so be it.  After all, what possible reason could KT have to hide anything from us paying and loyal customers when as owners they always act in the best interests of the club? Like a good marriage there should be no secrets. Agree Kelvin?
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