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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #30740 on: January 20, 2022, 06:37:37 am »

Looks that way but this was a separate scheme and vision from that suggested by SteveMasseyMassive.
Let’s hope that still has some life to it?
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« Reply #30741 on: January 20, 2022, 07:15:14 am »

Hope so. Pretty pictures nothing else despite the fan fare it was delivered under.
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« Reply #30742 on: January 20, 2022, 07:16:16 am »

Dead in the water and was always likely to be unfortunately.
As I pointed out on here before it would only take off if the board were interested and I stated my opinion that they should have been asked before people started coming up with grandiose ideas however admirable and actually investing a lot of their time and other peoples without first  consulting the only people who count.

In an arse about face way the board have now finally been consulted and have stated that they are not interested (again it was my own opinion that they wouldn’t be)

I can’t help feeling that a lot of time and effort on peoples part has been wasted but at least the fanbase now know that all the pipe dreams about two tier north and south stands are exactly that …..
Nothing will change unless there is an ownership change later down the line and the new incumbent sees the merit in new plans.

In fairness you can’t knock the owners , someone finally got round to asking if they wanted to embrace any new plans and they’ve given an unequivocal answer. and as the owners that is their prerogative

I just wish someone had asked six months ago.
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« Reply #30743 on: January 20, 2022, 07:33:23 am »

Looks that way but this was a separate scheme and vision from that suggested by SteveMasseyMassive.
Let’s hope that still has some life to it?
I think an update from SMM is expected next month.
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« Reply #30744 on: January 20, 2022, 07:48:41 am »

I'm massively on the outside of this (as I guess we all are) but I think that your summary is a little bit harsh on the owners Shoemaker. I do think you make a great point about having to consult with the owners so would advise SMM to do the same, when the time is right.

My personal take on this (and I'll be honest I am biased as people have done similar to me) is someone came up with a great idea, indicated they would complete the due diligence, costing etc. They then realised how difficult, expensive and time consuming it is and instead of asking for support they publicly criticsed the Club and Trust for not doing the work THEY said they would.

SMM and his team sound like they are prepared to do the hard work and take calculated risks (I dont blame NHE for not taking risks, they were not theirs to take) where the NHE just wanted to draw pretty pictures and make a pretty website.
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« Reply #30745 on: January 20, 2022, 07:49:50 am »

I think an update from SMM is expected next month.
I think KTs comments make this irrelevant inevitably.

Time for people to stop pushing water uphill and accept the situation now that the owners have spoken.
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« Reply #30746 on: January 20, 2022, 08:50:54 am »


As you allude to a majority of this project will need to be public/crowd funded


Whatever SMM and his associates produce, unfortunately this will be the stumbling block. We haven't got the local energy and interest. The only way anything significant will happen is if either the owners take an interest (which they clearly won't) or SMM and co come armed with interested investors. If it is a set of plans and an 'over to you' it quite obviously will be dead in the water. If it is something that is that much of a no brainer then the people behind it will want to invest to turn a profit.
Pity about the new hotel end project.

Can we just get the East finished?!
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« Reply #30747 on: January 20, 2022, 10:22:59 am »

Whatever SMM and his associates produce, unfortunately this will be the stumbling block. We haven't got the local  l ;Denergy and interest. The only way anything significant will happen is if either the owners take an interest (which they clearly won't) or SMM and co come armed with interested investors. If it is a set of plans and an 'over to you' it quite obviously will be dead in the water. If it is something that is that much of a no brainer then the people behind it will want to invest to turn a profit.
Pity about the new hotel end project.

Can we just get the East finished?!
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If the current owners don’t want to let anyone build any of these schemes then it won’t matter who is funding it.
You can’t just turn up and build on land you don’t own.

The owners have made it clear that these schemes aren’t going to happen and it’s not something they are interested in.

The end.
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« Reply #30748 on: January 20, 2022, 10:37:32 am »

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The scheme is fan-led but the club have given their blessing for its initial exploration.
Cobblers chief executive James Whiting said: "Kelvin (Thomas) and I had a good meeting with Tom on Zoom and he talked us through the concept which, of course, conceptually looks very interesting.
“We did stress this has to be a fan-led initiative as we do not know the national or even local music scene and wouldn’t have the skill set or knowledge base to know if a music venue like this was even viable.

“Tom explained the Trust was providing funding for the project so we expect they have already done some research if they have committed funds and we agreed with Tom that we would be interested in further discussion as they develop the viability and the costings further.

“We discussed, if the viability looks good and they are successful on the financing raise, then probably the best approach would be like the GT’s at Plymouth Argyle where the supporters group lease or rent the space to run the facility.

“Kelvin has also since spoken to the chairman at Plymouth to find out more how that operates, and we expect a follow up call or Zoom with Tom and the group as they develop more details on the project.”
“Kelvin has also since spoken to the chairman at Plymouth to find out more how that operates, and we expect a follow up call or Zoom with Tom and the group as they develop more details on the project.”
Why would KT do that if it was a fully closed door?

Basic summary for me "I've got a great idea, here's a load of pretty pictures, now you go and spend your money to see if it can be done".
I'm hoping and expecting the SMM and his friends / partners are not only working on a scheme but also putting together a business case. If the club then block or prevent that then I'll agree with you.
The NHE is little more than a few people with some fancy software and an imagination getting way more air time than they deserve.
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« Reply #30749 on: January 20, 2022, 10:44:24 am »

Moving on.... is there any update when the new valuations will be in front of the full council cabinet?
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« Reply #30750 on: January 20, 2022, 10:50:01 am »

“Kelvin has also since spoken to the chairman at Plymouth to find out more how that operates, and we expect a follow up call or Zoom with Tom and the group as they develop more details on the project.”
Why would KT do that if it was a fully closed door?

Basic summary for me "I've got a great idea, here's a load of pretty pictures, now you go and spend your money to see if it can be done".
I'm hoping and expecting the SMM and his friends / partners are not only working on a scheme but also putting together a business case. If the club then block or prevent that then I'll agree with you.
The NHE is little more than a few people with some fancy software and an imagination getting way more air time than they deserve.

Spot on (although I'm still not 100%  sure SMM isn't on a very impressive and lengthy wind up  Cheesy)
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« Reply #30751 on: January 20, 2022, 10:51:11 am »

“Kelvin has also since spoken to the chairman at Plymouth to find out more how that operates, and we expect a follow up call or Zoom with Tom and the group as they develop more details on the project.”
Why would KT do that if it was a fully closed door?

Basic summary for me "I've got a great idea, here's a load of pretty pictures, now you go and spend your money to see if it can be done".
I'm hoping and expecting the SMM and his friends / partners are not only working on a scheme but also putting together a business case. If the club then block or prevent that then I'll agree with you.
The NHE is little more than a few people with some fancy software and an imagination getting way more air time than they deserve.
I am right in saying that the board have said they won’t be investing their money in these schemes….
So are we saying the fans rather than the owners will be paying for something they will never own…..
They’ll be having to buy the players next….

Rather than go to all the trouble why not save a lot of time and just start a great big crowdfunding drive to give David and Kelvin a load of cash because this is in essence what these schemes will be doing.

The fans pay money to redevelop the ground because the owners aren’t interested
The stands get built and the value of the stadium increases as a consequence
When the club is sold the owners get a bigger fee because the ground is much better.
The owners are under no obligation to give any money back to those who paid for the stands to be redeveloped.

Sounds like a splendid idea…..
While we’re at it shall we buy them a new car each  Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #30752 on: January 20, 2022, 11:27:40 am »

I am right in saying that the board have said they won’t be investing their money in these schemes….
So are we saying the fans rather than the owners will be paying for something they will never own…..
They’ll be having to buy the players next….

Rather than go to all the trouble why not save a lot of time and just start a great big crowdfunding drive to give David and Kelvin a load of cash because this is in essence what these schemes will be doing.

The fans pay money to redevelop the ground because the owners aren’t interested
The stands get built and the value of the stadium increases as a consequence
When the club is sold the owners get a bigger fee because the ground is much better.
The owners are under no obligation to give any money back to those who paid for the stands to be redeveloped.

Sounds like a splendid idea…..
While we’re at it shall we buy them a new car each  Roll Eyes Grin

You’ve contradicted yourself a bit Shoey. On one hand you’re saying you can’t just build on someone’s land but then kind of alluded you could if they take the profit from it.
That was the point, it’ll only happen if they don’t pay for it. It’s win/win for them.
They just need to bloody build the other stand.
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« Reply #30753 on: January 20, 2022, 11:48:48 am »

Hope so. Pretty pictures nothing else despite the fan fare it was delivered under.
Ditto, if  the person who I believe to be behind it is who I think it is, after he threatened to sue me for using his copyrighted word "teyn".... Then I'm really upset.... Not.
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« Reply #30754 on: January 20, 2022, 12:13:41 pm »

Ditto, if  the person who I believe to be behind it is who I think it is, after he threatened to sue me for using his copyrighted word "teyn".... Then I'm really upset.... Not.
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« Reply #30755 on: January 20, 2022, 12:25:45 pm »

Shoemaker, I don't necessarily disagree with anything you are saying. However the owners will have their plan own things to focus on (dont want to revisit if they are focussing on the right things, or anything in peoples opinions).
If someone with different expertise sees potential that the owners either dont see or dont have the knowledge of, such as a live music venue etc, then its on them to sell the idea to the owners. That includes putting together a reasonable proposal. It probably doesn't need to have every I dotted, every T crossed and 5 years of P&L but it needs to have more than pretty pictures and good intent. Once there is a real proposal then a discussion can be had on funding share, profit share etc. I would be amazed if the owners would think the fans would pay for everything and then the owners get rich from it.

I would expect that either the club would fund some of it and their share of profit would be ring fenced for community work for example or its full funded by the fans / 3rd party with all the profits going to said fan / 3rd party group with an annual lease being agreed. Would also need to include boring things like liability insurance (club or 3rd party), maintenance, transfer of assets, boundaries etc.

But unless SMM does come through (do agree with the post above a bit), or someone is prepared to fund the due diligence / business case (which I believe the Trust have agreed to part fund) for the NHE project then we will never know.
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« Reply #30756 on: January 20, 2022, 13:21:05 pm »

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If someone with different expertise sees potential that the owners either dont see or dont have the knowledge of, such as a live music venue etc, then its on them to sell the idea to the owners.
 
I put a question to NTFC  as to why don't we put some 4G 5 a side pitches on the half of the running track that has been remediated, bring in revenue 24/7 for the foreseeable future. I was told that they don't make much money !!! Strange that virtually every non league club are digging up their pitches and replacing them with 4G/5G, when they don't make money ?
       Reading between the lines the message I get is "We are not interested in the future we would rather sell the land for a Warehouse" but I could be wrong
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« Reply #30757 on: January 20, 2022, 13:29:22 pm »

Its a great point.  Do you know what revenue they create? I believe non league clubs do it as the maintenance is cheaper as dont need to cut it, feed it, have cover etc and also reduces the number of times games get called off for weather (also reason why Scottish clubs do it).
There is also Goals near by so might limit usage but having said that when ever I drive past the Goals near me its always packed.
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« Reply #30758 on: January 20, 2022, 15:40:06 pm »

I’ve only had the chance of a brief glance on here and just to let anyone interested know the plans we have are still very much on the go however we are all simply flat off our feet!

For all of us who work here in hotels, restaurants or hospitality in our specific areas at least demand is through the roof and new and exciting opportunities are emerging in the new landscape. Since I last posted I have myself acquired a prominent beachfront bar restaurant with accommodation completely out of the blue, this I’m now drafting plans for its redevelopment and re-launch in August. That was before yesterday’s announcement that all cannabis products are to be legalised for recreational use this year on the island, its preparing to be the tropical Amsterdam! I’m sorry to share all this but hopefully you understand why time is limited for side projects.

Some of the comments are hugely encouraging and if a few of the diehards on here feel the time is right for a truly captivating and exciting project then that’s all we need!

Fundamentally this is a local and wider community driven development. Designed to benefit the community first and foremost year round, yet includes benefits to the football club through much needed long term regular investment. The aim is to provide an impressive building to showcase local produce through its own brewery cafe and restaurant. Through fairs and produce markets, provide indoor sports facilities and also deliver a superb live music entertainment venue with state of the art sound and facilities.

From the pitchside looks every bit as impressive as any two tier stand separated by a row of hospitality boxes, from the hill a large welcoming open café environment with an outside balcony for fair weather enjoyment. That’s as close as a description as I can muster tonight!

I’m confident the plans will excite enough individual investors from all over with its comprehensive benefit package to make it a truly community financed enterprise.

The north stand car park isn’t going anywhere fast but I do hope we can get it all finalised as soon as possible, it will be interesting from then on in!

Let’s give them a little bit longer on the east stand first….
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« Reply #30759 on: January 20, 2022, 17:06:56 pm »

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