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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #34300 on: June 14, 2022, 12:21:09 pm »

I can't say I'm bothered about this because I think it lacked credibility. There were some interesting ideas floating around but there was no real substance to it, just pretty pictures, hot air and an expectation that someone else would do the hard work (oh, and pay for it)

The Steve Massey stuff is a lot more interesting as there seems to be far more substance to it (assuming it's all genuine and that he reappears as and when he has something to show!)
Agree, good concepts but expected everything to be done for them. For something thats fan led its disappointing as a fan no proposal was put forward for us to support / fund.
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« Reply #34301 on: June 14, 2022, 13:56:43 pm »

Agree, good concepts but expected everything to be done for them. For something thats fan led its disappointing as a fan no proposal was put forward for us to support / fund.
Something you need to understand is that the current owners have no intention of improving the infrastructure at Sixseats.
Take a look at the windows at the back of the east, they been smashed for the last 2 years, I noticed they have now been covered in tape, do you really think our owners will extend the stadium if they can’t even replace 2 pieces of glass.
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« Reply #34302 on: June 14, 2022, 14:36:13 pm »

Something you need to understand is that the current owners have no intention of improving the infrastructure at Sixseats.
Take a look at the windows at the back of the east, they been smashed for the last 2 years, I noticed they have now been covered in tape, do you really think our owners will extend the stadium if they can’t even replace 2 pieces of glass.
I dont disagree but in this context I dont give a sh1t.
This was the first time a fans group came up with a concept and a plan to get due diligence done, create a structure and I thought eventually a crowd funding plan. It was exciting and the first time we as fans had something to truly to get behind. The Trust agreed to part fund the due diligence which was brilliant from the Trust but they then expected the club to fund it and put the resourcing infrastructure in etc.
There was then one communication from the NHE group that criticised the club AND the Trust which was unfair on both.

If something is going to be fan lead it needs to be fan lead. Yes it needs to have the directional support of the club, which I believe it did, but has to be fan led. They essentially created a load of pretty drawings and then expected everyone to do it for them.

If the Trust come up with a concept for the ACV (or elsewhere for fans villages etc) I would review on its merits and contribute financially if it made sense. I wouldn't join the Trust as I have mentioned but would be interested in fan funding.
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« Reply #34303 on: June 14, 2022, 16:16:34 pm »

Something you need to understand is that the current owners have no intention of improving the infrastructure at Sixseats.
Take a look at the windows at the back of the east, they been smashed for the last 2 years, I noticed they have now been covered in tape, do you really think our owners will extend the stadium if they can’t even replace 2 pieces of glass.

You never know. I had a bit of a tour around Fulham’s new stand a while back. Hugely impressive. A lot of the rest of the ground is in a bit of a state though.

Am I being overly optimistic?
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« Reply #34304 on: June 14, 2022, 17:04:30 pm »

I understand that Buckingham’s were the construction company.
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« Reply #34305 on: June 14, 2022, 19:32:25 pm »

You never know. I had a bit of a tour around Fulham’s new stand a while back. Hugely impressive. A lot of the rest of the ground is in a bit of a state though.

Am I being overly optimistic?
Haha, I’ve had meetings with Mr Khan he wanted me to sponsor the stand and get involved with him on his Wembley bid, I declined both.
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« Reply #34306 on: June 14, 2022, 19:45:45 pm »

I understand that Buckingham’s were the construction company.

They are/were. Me old matey works for them…
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« Reply #34307 on: June 14, 2022, 19:47:25 pm »

Haha, I’ve had meetings with Mr Khan he wanted me to sponsor the stand and get involved with him on his Wembley bid, I declined both.

A wise decision. You can’t keep an eye on here and on that..
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« Reply #34308 on: June 14, 2022, 20:01:35 pm »

A wise decision. You can’t keep an eye on here and on that..

No fear Tel, I have people to do that for me.
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« Reply #34309 on: June 14, 2022, 20:11:18 pm »

No fear Tel, I have people to do that for me.

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« Reply #34310 on: June 20, 2022, 08:59:49 am »

https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/land-plan-to-yield-investment-benefit-for-ntfc
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« Reply #34311 on: June 20, 2022, 09:44:34 am »


Interesting, but I'll reserve judgement until there is more meat on the bones. There's no mention at all of where the initial investment will come from to buy the land or what the "commercial development" could cover (and no, I'm aware we don't know what the owners have in mind for that tranche of land either).

I am interested in the curious use of the phrase "profits earmarked for the Trust" though. Does this infer that not all profits will be coming in the direction of the Trust/club/infrastructure foundation? Would another party (the unmentioned investors?) be taking their cut first?
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« Reply #34312 on: June 20, 2022, 10:21:34 am »

Interesting, but I'll reserve judgement until there is more meat on the bones. There's no mention at all of where the initial investment will come from to buy the land or what the "commercial development" could cover (and no, I'm aware we don't know what the owners have in mind for that tranche of land either).

I am interested in the curious use of the phrase "profits earmarked for the Trust" though. Does this infer that not all profits will be coming in the direction of the Trust/club/infrastructure foundation? Would another party (the unmentioned investors?) be taking their cut first?
TBF that’s a hell of a lot more information than is coming out of KT.
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« Reply #34313 on: June 20, 2022, 10:46:20 am »


Good the Trust have made an initial statement and £250k direct to the club infrastructure is no bad thing (although bear in mind such a sum would barely cover two reasonable player‘s loaded costs - thus is the harsh reality of running a football club. I’m not sure it’s wise to raise the issue of no guarantee to finish the stand between the the club and WNC as that might just be a prompt to add that clause to any sale of the ACV land.

Also good to see the concept of flexible use of the land for match days and hopefully other events.

Of course until specific details are released on the backers and the financial muscle the statement is really just that of intention and we should remember the council have to be convinced on the plan.

None the less a good start and the concept of the land owned and profit from it directly benefitting the club’s infrastructure, independent of any owners (providing there is a viable financial plan) has always had my backing despite accusations of me being antitrust.

I‘m also minded that if this plan does go ahead and is successful it has been achieved by a small number of trust members and their business contacts but how much more powerful could the project have been with greater unity between a wider fan base.
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« Reply #34314 on: June 20, 2022, 11:32:02 am »

There's no mention at all of where the initial investment will come from to buy the land or what the "commercial development" could cover (and no, I'm aware we don't know what the owners have in mind for that tranche of land either).
 
I was told last week that half the land would be a Car Park and half sold off for re-development
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« Reply #34315 on: June 20, 2022, 11:44:38 am »

I was told last week that half the land would be a Car Park and half sold off for re-development
Of course it will be, if I had no affinity for the club I’d do the same, KT and DB are business men, they want to maximise their investment, I am still shocked by the amount of support our owners get from the wider fan base.

Can you imagine this happening at the Saints? New owners come in and sell off all the land around the gardens there would be uproar.
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« Reply #34316 on: June 20, 2022, 13:09:43 pm »


Can you imagine this happening at the Saints? New owners come in and sell off all the land around the gardens there would be uproar.
Im not convinced about that. They just shrugged their shoulders and accepted it, when some of their bigger games were switched to MK.
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« Reply #34317 on: June 20, 2022, 13:48:12 pm »

Interesting reading, again it's a lot of we've done this but can't tell you yet, which has plagued the development of the East Stand and wider area from the outset.

Two questions...

1. If the Trust purchase the ACV will they own the entire footprint the Stadium and Athletics track sits on?

2. Any proceeds from this will go to the Trust, will the football club as it stands see any benefit from what you propose or is this the first step towards The Trust buying and running the football club?

Apologies if the above come across as silly questions but there's been so much talk around the development, I've lost track of what's what.
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« Reply #34318 on: June 20, 2022, 14:05:14 pm »

It looks interesting, but as they say the Devil is in the Detail, which there isn't really any at this stage. It would be interesting to know who the intended Joint Venture is with, when are we likely to see enough of the detail to see whether we as fans should back this or not?
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« Reply #34319 on: June 20, 2022, 15:15:38 pm »

Agreed the devil is in the detail.
The statement speaks of profits for the Trust...
I thought profit was a dirty word....

If the Trust is going to contractually agree to spend every penny earned in improving the ground or the team, from the minute this project(whatever it is) gets going, then great.
However, if there is a third party involved, who will be taking a cut.... How is this more beneficial to Northampton Town Football Club than what we currently have?

These kinds of questions will need to be answered to get wider support.
Stands back and awaits a "what has Thomas done you KT love child" response.
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