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« Reply #34440 on: June 23, 2022, 21:05:54 pm »

Except that CDNL hold the lease, so keeping Kelvin Thomas at arms length will be impossible.

Don't you dare let facts get in the way of the trust's fantasies.
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« Reply #34441 on: June 23, 2022, 21:25:11 pm »

How much is it geez?

Yeah please tell!

So far I've got....

OUT: Roberts, Harriman, Pollock, Rose, Nelson, Ashley-Seal, Mills, Flanagan, Kabamba (9) + five loanees (Lubala, Zimba, Kanu, Magloire, Eppiah)
IN: Burge, Fox, Haynes, Hylton (4)

Undecided and out of contract next week: Horsfall.

I'm struggling to see how, at this moment in time, we are spending more on the squad than we were last season. It's a decent start though....granted.
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« Reply #34442 on: June 23, 2022, 23:09:26 pm »

You must really be upset at how little our tight fisted owners are spending on the squad this year.
Why don't they use the season ticket money, the match day ticket sales, food and beverage sales, sponsorship, sky TV share and league affiliation Payments?...
Oh that's right, they do.

What did you think happens?  Thomas using his own money to pay the wages of players at a club he's desperate to leave?
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« Reply #34443 on: June 24, 2022, 06:32:08 am »



What did you think happens?  Thomas using his own money to pay the wages of players at a club he's desperate to leave?

Iíll tell what I think happens. They run a football club in the real world. Not from a keyboard, or a working menís club. You can come it from all angles, but there's one thing for sure. You and the other mood hoovers know sweet FA about the reality of doing it is. I very much doubt that a bunch of callouses on your fingertips from ya keyboard and spreading muck on walls holds much weight in the world of running football clubs. But eh, whatís that matter in the world of the wannabesÖ 
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« Reply #34444 on: June 24, 2022, 06:34:52 am »

Why don't they use the season ticket money, the match day ticket sales, food and beverage sales, sponsorship, sky TV share and league affiliation Payments?...
Oh that's right, they do.

What did you think happens?  Thomas using his own money to pay the wages of players at a club he's desperate to leave?

Why do you continue to ignore facts - yes there is revenue from all those sources as described but the reality is most clubs (agreed not all) continue to make a loss despite that - circa £1 to 2 million pa. Under a lot of arguments and controversy the Trust have announced a plan that could with luck and Iím sure a lot of hard work yield £250k - and well done to them if they succeed but even they know (& within their ranks there are some owner bashers that rival you) that is insufficient to run a L1/2 club - so where does the shortfall come from? - factual business justified answer pleaseÖ..
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« Reply #34445 on: June 24, 2022, 10:01:53 am »

Iíll tell what I think happens. They run a football club in the real world. Not from a keyboard, or a working menís club. You can come it from all angles, but there's one thing for sure. You and the other mood hoovers know sweet FA about the reality of doing it is. I very much doubt that a bunch of callouses on your fingertips from ya keyboard and spreading muck on walls holds much weight in the world of running football clubs. But eh, whatís that matter in the world of the wannabesÖ 
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« Reply #34446 on: June 24, 2022, 10:08:26 am »

Why do you continue to ignore facts - yes there is revenue from all those sources as described but the reality is most clubs (agreed not all) continue to make a loss despite that - circa £1 to 2 million pa. Under a lot of arguments and controversy the Trust have announced a plan that could with luck and Iím sure a lot of hard work yield £250k - and well done to them if they succeed but even they know (& within their ranks there are some owner bashers that rival you) that is insufficient to run a L1/2 club - so where does the shortfall come from? - factual business justified answer pleaseÖ..
With all due respect Peter, the £250,000 per year is from the ACV land NOT the whole of the football club. You say that most clubs lose between £1M & £2M per year, if I was running the club I would be asking myself how do Newport County, with a fan base half our size, constantly make a profit and have a look at the way they operate.
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« Reply #34447 on: June 24, 2022, 10:15:17 am »

With all due respect Peter, the £250,000 per year is from the ACV land NOT the whole of the football club. You say that most clubs lose between £1M & £2M per year, if I was running the club I would be asking myself how do Newport County, with a fan base half our size, constantly make a profit and have a look at the way they operate.

Do they (in real terms)?
If so, how do they?
Do they have a completely different business plan and aspiration?
Has no one investigated and/or asked that or those questions?
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« Reply #34448 on: June 24, 2022, 11:00:37 am »

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SEASON TICKET SALES ALREADY 8% UP ON LAST SEASON WITH FIVE WEEKS STILL TO GO
Rise in season ticket sales follows increase in average attendance


This has been posted on the Offy site.
At odds with what we have been told by some posters on this forum.

A lot of fans obviously think the club and the owners are doing OK.
Or, they just like football and ignore the politics.
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« Reply #34449 on: June 24, 2022, 11:31:14 am »

Season tickets sales up by 8% ? Must be lies, we were being told the other day that season ticket sales had plummeted  Grin
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« Reply #34450 on: June 24, 2022, 11:34:59 am »

With all due respect Peter, the £250,000 per year is from the ACV land NOT the whole of the football club. You say that most clubs lose between £1M & £2M per year, if I was running the club I would be asking myself how do Newport County, with a fan base half our size, constantly make a profit and have a look at the way they operate.

Carlton, DP - thanks for the comments & alway good to have discussions with posters that can have balanced views

Firstly I appreciate the £250k proposed by the trust is for infrastructure support and not to run the club but it was just to illustrate a lot of work and controversy to raise even that amount is not enough to run a typical L1/2 club.

I'm also not defending the crazy economics of football but the reality is at all levels we want better players and those players and their agents are squeezing clubs to the maximum in their pursuit of success.

No doubt a L2 club could be run at a break even level but it is very likely that's where they would stay or worse.

Interesting looking at the published accounts of NTFC in that we do seem to employ quite a lot of people for the size of the business  - possibly we could cut our overheads on the wage bill and not effect the playing side but I suspect other commercial activity and the community work would suffer as a consequence so it might be false economy in both financial terms and the club's standing in the community

I certainly don't have the answers but I do think simply calling for the current owner's heads and if they go  everything will be wonderful is simply not realistic - remember when the club was run by local businessmen we arguably had less success than we have enjoyed in the last few years and they eventually left stating they simply didn't have the means to continue to support a football league club

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« Reply #34451 on: June 24, 2022, 11:47:40 am »

Yeah please tell!

So far I've got....

OUT: Roberts, Harriman, Pollock, Rose, Nelson, Ashley-Seal, Mills, Flanagan, Kabamba (9) + five loanees (Lubala, Zimba, Kanu, Magloire, Eppiah)
IN: Burge, Fox, Haynes, Hylton (4)

Undecided and out of contract next week: Horsfall.

I'm struggling to see how, at this moment in time, we are spending more on the squad than we were last season. It's a decent start though....granted.

I would have thought that the signings so far indicate a desire to improve the quality of the squad. Three of the players signed don't come cheap. Your comments are based on your perennial dislike of Ntfc current management; a theme going back to the Keith Curle days. If the quality of in coming players is maintained I believe that you will still maintain your drip by drip criticism of the Club. If you are struggling to understand the change in the incoming personnel then what is the point of such ambiguous comments. Having supported and watched the Club sine the late 50's it gets a little easier to recognise somebody who sole objective is to undermine NTFC at any given opportunity.
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« Reply #34452 on: June 24, 2022, 11:54:16 am »

With all due respect Peter, the £250,000 per year is from the ACV land NOT the whole of the football club. You say that most clubs lose between £1M & £2M per year, if I was running the club I would be asking myself how do Newport County, with a fan base half our size, constantly make a profit and have a look at the way they operate.

Come off it Carton - Newport went bust years ago and took them just as long to get back on an even keel. I don't think Newport are an ideal business model to base NTFC on!
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« Reply #34453 on: June 24, 2022, 11:57:21 am »

Ticket News
SEASON TICKET SALES ALREADY 8% UP ON LAST SEASON WITH FIVE WEEKS STILL TO GO
Rise in season ticket sales follows increase in average attendance


This has been posted on the Offy site.
At odds with what we have been told by some posters on this forum.

A lot of fans obviously think the club and the owners are doing OK.
Or, they just like football and ignore the politics.

The last para is lost on some on here  - unfortunately!
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« Reply #34454 on: June 24, 2022, 12:38:44 pm »

I would have thought that the signings so far indicate a desire to improve the quality of the squad. Three of the players signed don't come cheap. Your comments are based on your perennial dislike of Ntfc current management; a theme going back to the Keith Curle days. If the quality of in coming players is maintained I believe that you will still maintain your drip by drip criticism of the Club. If you are struggling to understand the change in the incoming personnel then what is the point of such ambiguous comments. Having supported and watched the Club sine the late 50's it gets a little easier to recognise somebody who sole objective is to undermine NTFC at any given opportunity.

what do those three players cost geeZ?
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« Reply #34455 on: June 24, 2022, 12:56:37 pm »

Ticket News
SEASON TICKET SALES ALREADY 8% UP ON LAST SEASON WITH FIVE WEEKS STILL TO GO
Rise in season ticket sales follows increase in average attendance


This has been posted on the Offy site.
At odds with what we have been told by some posters on this forum.

A lot of fans obviously think the club and the owners are doing OK.
Or, they just like football and ignore the politics.

That is great news. I think you're last sentence is the way it is for a lot of fans. I know plenty like that that sit around me and friends and family, some of whom don't bother with social media either.
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« Reply #34456 on: June 24, 2022, 12:59:10 pm »

what do those three players cost geeZ?



You don't know Einstein?

 IMO very few do but judging on the apparent quality of three of the players signed its a useful yardstick to hazard a guess!  Yes/No??
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« Reply #34457 on: June 24, 2022, 13:13:54 pm »

Yet another "sit on the fence, I don't take sides" post from our moderator  Roll Eyes

What was your stance Roger on posting on hereÖ oh yeah, I remember. I'm not posting as a Trust board member, Iím posting my own thoughts. I'm assuming you donít extend that privilege to others then?

As far as I am concerned I would say what I said no matter who posts nothing but negative rhetoric. Itís not for one second in support of individuals at the club, or indeed on here. It is a simple fact of life, that social media attracts people who have done nothing more than look up at the stars, yet carry on as if they pilot the space shuttle..
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« Reply #34458 on: June 24, 2022, 13:57:02 pm »

The circle of contradiction continues. It is possible to run a club on a break even or profit basis. The fact is that over 90% donít and those that do itís because of player transfers and in the short term. What people are suggesting may be achievable for NTFC. However, for virtually every club at our level it just isnít reasonably possible without out-performing a very significant trend.
For whatever reason people will insist on an ideal and attack the owners. Frankly they are simply picking the wrong target. Even if they neuter the owners and drive them out whatís to say the next owners wonít be clones of these, or worse?
If you truly want change then itís the whole system of ownership that needs changing and that means targeting the EFL/Government. An exceptionally difficult challenge maybe, but far better than a pointless battle to remove owners that have kept the club afloat for getting on for a decade, have repeatedly kept them competitive on the pitch in league 2, seemingly have the support or at the very least indifferent acceptance of the majority of the fan base, and could potentially be replaced by someone far more volatile and dangerous for the future of the club.
The good news for the average supporter is the longer the stalemate over the land continues, seemingly the longer the current owners will remain in situ. And that just may be a silver lining on a very dark cloud on the horizon. I keep saying it, be careful what you wish for.
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« Reply #34459 on: June 24, 2022, 14:15:34 pm »

Come off it Carton - Newport went bust years ago and took them just as long to get back on an even keel. I don't think Newport are an ideal business model to base NTFC on!
Come on Evers, Newport County went bust 32 YEARS AGO, I am talking about the Newport County that returned to the EFL 9 years ago and hjave traded very successfully ever since
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