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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #34360 on: June 24, 2022, 09:08:26 am »

Why do you continue to ignore facts - yes there is revenue from all those sources as described but the reality is most clubs (agreed not all) continue to make a loss despite that - circa £1 to 2 million pa. Under a lot of arguments and controversy the Trust have announced a plan that could with luck and I’m sure a lot of hard work yield £250k - and well done to them if they succeed but even they know (& within their ranks there are some owner bashers that rival you) that is insufficient to run a L1/2 club - so where does the shortfall come from? - factual business justified answer please…..
With all due respect Peter, the £250,000 per year is from the ACV land NOT the whole of the football club. You say that most clubs lose between £1M & £2M per year, if I was running the club I would be asking myself how do Newport County, with a fan base half our size, constantly make a profit and have a look at the way they operate.
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« Reply #34361 on: June 24, 2022, 09:15:17 am »

With all due respect Peter, the £250,000 per year is from the ACV land NOT the whole of the football club. You say that most clubs lose between £1M & £2M per year, if I was running the club I would be asking myself how do Newport County, with a fan base half our size, constantly make a profit and have a look at the way they operate.

Do they (in real terms)?
If so, how do they?
Do they have a completely different business plan and aspiration?
Has no one investigated and/or asked that or those questions?
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« Reply #34362 on: June 24, 2022, 10:00:37 am »

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SEASON TICKET SALES ALREADY 8% UP ON LAST SEASON WITH FIVE WEEKS STILL TO GO
Rise in season ticket sales follows increase in average attendance


This has been posted on the Offy site.
At odds with what we have been told by some posters on this forum.

A lot of fans obviously think the club and the owners are doing OK.
Or, they just like football and ignore the politics.
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« Reply #34363 on: June 24, 2022, 10:31:14 am »

Season tickets sales up by 8% ? Must be lies, we were being told the other day that season ticket sales had plummeted  Grin
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« Reply #34364 on: June 24, 2022, 10:34:59 am »

With all due respect Peter, the £250,000 per year is from the ACV land NOT the whole of the football club. You say that most clubs lose between £1M & £2M per year, if I was running the club I would be asking myself how do Newport County, with a fan base half our size, constantly make a profit and have a look at the way they operate.

Carlton, DP - thanks for the comments & alway good to have discussions with posters that can have balanced views

Firstly I appreciate the £250k proposed by the trust is for infrastructure support and not to run the club but it was just to illustrate a lot of work and controversy to raise even that amount is not enough to run a typical L1/2 club.

I'm also not defending the crazy economics of football but the reality is at all levels we want better players and those players and their agents are squeezing clubs to the maximum in their pursuit of success.

No doubt a L2 club could be run at a break even level but it is very likely that's where they would stay or worse.

Interesting looking at the published accounts of NTFC in that we do seem to employ quite a lot of people for the size of the business  - possibly we could cut our overheads on the wage bill and not effect the playing side but I suspect other commercial activity and the community work would suffer as a consequence so it might be false economy in both financial terms and the club's standing in the community

I certainly don't have the answers but I do think simply calling for the current owner's heads and if they go  everything will be wonderful is simply not realistic - remember when the club was run by local businessmen we arguably had less success than we have enjoyed in the last few years and they eventually left stating they simply didn't have the means to continue to support a football league club

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« Reply #34365 on: June 24, 2022, 10:47:40 am »

Yeah please tell!

So far I've got....

OUT: Roberts, Harriman, Pollock, Rose, Nelson, Ashley-Seal, Mills, Flanagan, Kabamba (9) + five loanees (Lubala, Zimba, Kanu, Magloire, Eppiah)
IN: Burge, Fox, Haynes, Hylton (4)

Undecided and out of contract next week: Horsfall.

I'm struggling to see how, at this moment in time, we are spending more on the squad than we were last season. It's a decent start though....granted.

I would have thought that the signings so far indicate a desire to improve the quality of the squad. Three of the players signed don't come cheap. Your comments are based on your perennial dislike of Ntfc current management; a theme going back to the Keith Curle days. If the quality of in coming players is maintained I believe that you will still maintain your drip by drip criticism of the Club. If you are struggling to understand the change in the incoming personnel then what is the point of such ambiguous comments. Having supported and watched the Club sine the late 50's it gets a little easier to recognise somebody who sole objective is to undermine NTFC at any given opportunity.
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« Reply #34366 on: June 24, 2022, 10:54:16 am »

With all due respect Peter, the £250,000 per year is from the ACV land NOT the whole of the football club. You say that most clubs lose between £1M & £2M per year, if I was running the club I would be asking myself how do Newport County, with a fan base half our size, constantly make a profit and have a look at the way they operate.

Come off it Carton - Newport went bust years ago and took them just as long to get back on an even keel. I don't think Newport are an ideal business model to base NTFC on!
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« Reply #34367 on: June 24, 2022, 10:57:21 am »

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SEASON TICKET SALES ALREADY 8% UP ON LAST SEASON WITH FIVE WEEKS STILL TO GO
Rise in season ticket sales follows increase in average attendance


This has been posted on the Offy site.
At odds with what we have been told by some posters on this forum.

A lot of fans obviously think the club and the owners are doing OK.
Or, they just like football and ignore the politics.

The last para is lost on some on here  - unfortunately!
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« Reply #34368 on: June 24, 2022, 11:38:44 am »

I would have thought that the signings so far indicate a desire to improve the quality of the squad. Three of the players signed don't come cheap. Your comments are based on your perennial dislike of Ntfc current management; a theme going back to the Keith Curle days. If the quality of in coming players is maintained I believe that you will still maintain your drip by drip criticism of the Club. If you are struggling to understand the change in the incoming personnel then what is the point of such ambiguous comments. Having supported and watched the Club sine the late 50's it gets a little easier to recognise somebody who sole objective is to undermine NTFC at any given opportunity.

what do those three players cost geeZ?
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« Reply #34369 on: June 24, 2022, 11:56:37 am »

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SEASON TICKET SALES ALREADY 8% UP ON LAST SEASON WITH FIVE WEEKS STILL TO GO
Rise in season ticket sales follows increase in average attendance


This has been posted on the Offy site.
At odds with what we have been told by some posters on this forum.

A lot of fans obviously think the club and the owners are doing OK.
Or, they just like football and ignore the politics.

That is great news. I think you're last sentence is the way it is for a lot of fans. I know plenty like that that sit around me and friends and family, some of whom don't bother with social media either.
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« Reply #34370 on: June 24, 2022, 11:59:10 am »

what do those three players cost geeZ?



You don't know Einstein?

 IMO very few do but judging on the apparent quality of three of the players signed its a useful yardstick to hazard a guess!  Yes/No??
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« Reply #34371 on: June 24, 2022, 12:13:54 pm »

Yet another "sit on the fence, I don't take sides" post from our moderator  Roll Eyes

What was your stance Roger on posting on here… oh yeah, I remember. I'm not posting as a Trust board member, I’m posting my own thoughts. I'm assuming you don’t extend that privilege to others then?

As far as I am concerned I would say what I said no matter who posts nothing but negative rhetoric. It’s not for one second in support of individuals at the club, or indeed on here. It is a simple fact of life, that social media attracts people who have done nothing more than look up at the stars, yet carry on as if they pilot the space shuttle..
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« Reply #34372 on: June 24, 2022, 12:57:02 pm »

The circle of contradiction continues. It is possible to run a club on a break even or profit basis. The fact is that over 90% don’t and those that do it’s because of player transfers and in the short term. What people are suggesting may be achievable for NTFC. However, for virtually every club at our level it just isn’t reasonably possible without out-performing a very significant trend.
For whatever reason people will insist on an ideal and attack the owners. Frankly they are simply picking the wrong target. Even if they neuter the owners and drive them out what’s to say the next owners won’t be clones of these, or worse?
If you truly want change then it’s the whole system of ownership that needs changing and that means targeting the EFL/Government. An exceptionally difficult challenge maybe, but far better than a pointless battle to remove owners that have kept the club afloat for getting on for a decade, have repeatedly kept them competitive on the pitch in league 2, seemingly have the support or at the very least indifferent acceptance of the majority of the fan base, and could potentially be replaced by someone far more volatile and dangerous for the future of the club.
The good news for the average supporter is the longer the stalemate over the land continues, seemingly the longer the current owners will remain in situ. And that just may be a silver lining on a very dark cloud on the horizon. I keep saying it, be careful what you wish for.
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« Reply #34373 on: June 24, 2022, 13:15:34 pm »

Come off it Carton - Newport went bust years ago and took them just as long to get back on an even keel. I don't think Newport are an ideal business model to base NTFC on!
Come on Evers, Newport County went bust 32 YEARS AGO, I am talking about the Newport County that returned to the EFL 9 years ago and hjave traded very successfully ever since
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« Reply #34374 on: June 24, 2022, 13:36:12 pm »

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A lot of fans obviously think the club and the owners are doing OK.


As one of those 8% this is one of the reasons I bought one after 17 years without one despite only really being able to get to half of the home games.
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« Reply #34375 on: June 24, 2022, 13:54:37 pm »

As one of those 8% this is one of the reasons I bought one after 17 years without one despite only really being able to get to half of the home games.

I've kept my seat on, which I've had since the stadium opened and I'm in the process of moving to Weymouth! I don't think I'll get up to many games 5/6 maybe however, its made realise how much I love our club.
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« Reply #34376 on: June 24, 2022, 14:14:09 pm »

You don't know Einstein?

 IMO very few do but judging on the apparent quality of three of the players signed its a useful yardstick to hazard a guess!  Yes/No??

i've never met the geezer. as me old dear used to gabble the proof is only inside the pudding. what's your guess then brite chap?
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« Reply #34377 on: June 24, 2022, 14:42:42 pm »

I've kept my seat on, which I've had since the stadium opened and I'm in the process of moving to Weymouth! I don't think I'll get up to many games 5/6 maybe however, its made realise how much I love our club.

Interesting how many of us like that - I live in Switzerland and pre Covid used to get back for most Saturday home games - this season however EasyJet flights are double (If running) and car hire about 3x so I can't see me seeing more than 8-10 games but still have my ticket.
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« Reply #34378 on: June 24, 2022, 14:54:06 pm »

I've kept my seat on, which I've had since the stadium opened and I'm in the process of moving to Weymouth! I don't think I'll get up to many games 5/6 maybe however, its made realise how much I love our club.
I remember a few years back, a Newcastle fan enquired about the seat next to him, which was always empty, only to be told that it was sold. However, somebody occupied it on boxing day. He talked to the chap, and found that his missus had bought it for him, as a xmas present. Shocked
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« Reply #34379 on: June 24, 2022, 15:10:50 pm »

Season tickets sales up by 8% ? Must be lies, we were being told the other day that season ticket sales had plummeted  Grin
8% 😂 you do know how many that equates to, anyway when I was told they were down FACT.
Apparently there was an effort to have a ring around to persuade people to recommit, I am really pleased we have managed to sell another hundred or so tickets.
Fair play to the club, imagine if we had some Sky boxes to sell to some corporates.
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