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Redevelopment Closer Than Ever?

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« Reply #41360 on: November 17, 2023, 10:15:12 am »

I think Melly saw the irony and removed the blah blah. His Aussie humour is complex.
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« Reply #41361 on: November 17, 2023, 10:40:48 am »

Is the jury still out?
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« Reply #41362 on: November 17, 2023, 11:01:58 am »

Is the jury still out?

Yeah, day 3 of deliberations.
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« Reply #41363 on: November 17, 2023, 11:10:54 am »

Yeah, day 3 of deliberations.

It would take them six years at this rate to pick the bones out of the Cardoza mess then. They really do need specialist jury's in fraud cases.
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« Reply #41364 on: November 17, 2023, 11:21:10 am »

It would take them six years at this rate to pick the bones out of the Cardoza mess then. They really do need specialist jury's in fraud cases.

From the various reports, direct quotes and information Iíve read, it boils down to whether Macca knew the source of the donations or not.
He seems to be trying to throw the secretary under the bus (who is not part of the case) and a low blow (IMO) to cite Jo Coxís murder as a main reason for jacking in as an MP.
The judge said that if Grossman is innocent then Mackintosh must be too. They heard about the links to 1st Land, the sources of the donation and the loan to NTFC, so there may be some joining of the dots.

However, it could all be one big innocent mistake but some must be wrestling with their "never trust a Tory" prejudice.
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« Reply #41365 on: November 17, 2023, 11:34:53 am »

From the various reports, direct quotes and information Iíve read, it boils down to whether Macca knew the source of the donations or not.
He seems to be trying to throw the secretary under the bus (who is not part of the case) and a low blow (IMO) to cite Jo Coxís murder as a main reason for jacking in as an MP.
The judge said that if Grossman is innocent then Mackintosh must be too. They heard about the links to 1st Land, the sources of the donation and the loan to NTFC, so there may be some joining of the dots.

However, it could all be one big innocent mistake but some must be wrestling with their "never trust a Tory" prejudice.

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« Reply #41366 on: November 17, 2023, 13:01:27 pm »

Here's a filler. Even if you have seen it before it is well worth registering (for free) to watch it if you are from the town.

Our friend Macca has his brilliant appearance around 15 minutes in, where everyone else from the council has a total gagging order:

https://uktvplay.co.uk/shows/ross-noble-freewheeling/series-2/episode-3/5816673686001
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« Reply #41367 on: November 17, 2023, 13:09:49 pm »

Here's a filler. Even if you have seen it before it is well worth registering (for free) to watch it if you are from the town.

Our friend Macca has his brilliant appearance around 15 minutes in, where everyone else from the council has a total gagging order:

https://uktvplay.co.uk/shows/ross-noble-freewheeling/series-2/episode-3/5816673686001


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« Reply #41368 on: November 17, 2023, 16:12:22 pm »

Jury sent home for the weekend.

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« Reply #41369 on: November 17, 2023, 21:10:50 pm »

Jury sent home for the weekend.

https://twitter.com/mattcprecey

Jeez, they say the longer the deliberation the more likely it's not guilty. Anyone around at the time knows they are as guilty AF and more so. If they get off it's a disgrace
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« Reply #41370 on: November 18, 2023, 00:05:49 am »

Jeez, they say the longer the deliberation the more likely it's not guilty. Anyone around at the time knows they are as guilty AF and more so. If they get off it's a disgrace
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« Reply #41371 on: November 18, 2023, 11:31:00 am »

Welcome to British justice.

Itís a strange one. Grossman didnít give evidence (nothing he could really say to help his cause) and not sure what his get out is. If it was above board then he could have purely donated the funds directly himself. I havenít seen much defence on his behalf.
Macca just has deniability that he didnít know where and why they got the donations from.
Maybe a couple of jurors are staunch Tories or hate their day jobs.
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« Reply #41372 on: November 18, 2023, 17:55:53 pm »

Here's a filler. Even if you have seen it before it is well worth registering (for free) to watch it if you are from the town.

Our friend Macca has his brilliant appearance around 15 minutes in, where everyone else from the council has a total gagging order:

https://uktvplay.co.uk/shows/ross-noble-freewheeling/series-2/episode-3/5816673686001


Well, that redefines low budget television. For a supposedly impromptu show there was a surprising number of council leaders on hand.
The combover at 27 minutes was the most entertaining part for me.
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« Reply #41373 on: November 18, 2023, 19:30:19 pm »

Itís a strange one. Grossman didnít give evidence (nothing he could really say to help his cause) and not sure what his get out is. If it was above board then he could have purely donated the funds directly himself. I havenít seen much defence on his behalf.
Macca just has deniability that he didnít know where and why they got the donations from.
Maybe a couple of jurors are staunch Tories or hate their day jobs.
Well Iím a staunch Conservative and Unionist party supporter but I think pretty much what everyone else is thinking on here and if on the jury would vote accordingly.
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« Reply #41374 on: November 21, 2023, 09:38:23 am »

16.5 hours of deliberation and I'm sure they're still going.
I reckon the judge will be taking a majority soon and then we'll be heading for a hung jury. If the lot find them both innocent then (without bias) I'm not sure what's been missed from the reporting of the case. Clearly a lot has been said in the court room across the case.
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« Reply #41375 on: November 21, 2023, 11:00:07 am »

Both found not guilty, according to the Chron.
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« Reply #41376 on: November 21, 2023, 11:03:45 am »

Both found not guilty, according to the Chron.

Clearly all one big innocent misunderstanding. A bit like the missing millions too, Iím sure thereís an innocent explanation.
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« Reply #41377 on: November 21, 2023, 11:15:30 am »

Wasnít privy to the whole case but I didnít see that one coming?
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« Reply #41378 on: November 21, 2023, 11:31:51 am »

Did he have Johnny Cochran as his lawyer?
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« Reply #41379 on: November 21, 2023, 11:32:18 am »

Wasnít privy to the whole case but I didnít see that one coming?

I've been more interested in Grossman. I would imagine it could be an important test case. There is little doubt (and watertight evidence) that he donated money via proxy (via the 1st Land account) and has been deemed as an innocent action. As for Macca, he always had straight deniability and blamed his secretary for not telling him.
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