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« Reply #46800 on: October 31, 2024, 07:27:10 am »

Are you talking about their advice, or does that come at a price?

I wouldn't know. But in terms of the latest request from them... I bet the owners are quaking in their boots 😂😂

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« Reply #46801 on: October 31, 2024, 09:11:37 am »

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We understand that an application made by the football club on 6 August 2024 to West Northamptonshire Council (WNC) - to treat changes made to the 2014 planning application and approval of the East Stand as non-material amendments - has been rejected.

The consequence appears to be that a new or revised application for planning approval has to be submitted to WNC with, I would assume, resulting delays and unbudgeted costs being incurred.
To try to find some balance. What they have outlined here is correct as they will now (I assume) need to submit a material change which by its nature will take time. It does also say at the bottom of the letter that WNC are working with the club on a way forward so that work doesnt have to stop (words to that effect anyway),

But this brings me back to my first post on this. If we had a strong Trust that hadnt alienated themselves it would have been much easier...

"Hi James, hows it going. xxxx here from the Trust, I see the NMA has been rejected, typical f***ing council eh covering their own arses. Just curious what impact this will have to the timeframe and budget and if the Trust can support in anyway".

"Hi xxxx, great to hear from you, yes its frustrating but they are just doing their jobs and we understand it with all the history on this, we thought it was a risk but one worth taking. Appreciate you reaching out but wont have any impact as we can get on with other work whilst we wait for the approval and the builders have given assurances any time can be recovered."
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« Reply #46802 on: October 31, 2024, 09:24:19 am »

I wouldn't know. But in terms of the latest request from them... I bet the owners are quaking in their boots 

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That's a strapline that might catch on... Smiley
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« Reply #46803 on: October 31, 2024, 09:33:05 am »

That's a strapline that might catch on... Smiley
For those that feel that way, use democracy and go get it.
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« Reply #46804 on: October 31, 2024, 10:09:34 am »

For those that feel that way, use democracy and go get it.

You are absolutely right - a type of democratic coup was tried, and failed for whatever reason

Like, I suspect many members, I support the trust's principles but do not think they are representing their members in a correct way on a number of issues - but here's the rub - I simply don't have the time or the energy to get involved at a level to change anything. Although I do intend to remain a member in the hope that over a period of time people with a different approach will take on some of the heavy lifting and direction strategy - in the meantime if I am typical of most members, the Trust in it's current form will limp on, but largely due to the apathy of its membership and the terrible relationship with the club be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things
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« Reply #46805 on: October 31, 2024, 10:25:03 am »

You are absolutely right - a type of democratic coup was tried, and failed for whatever reason

Like, I suspect many members, I support the trust's principles but do not think they are representing their members in a correct way on a number of issues - but here's the rub - I simply don't have the time or the energy to get involved at a level to change anything. Although I do intend to remain a member in the hope that over a period of time people with a different approach will take on some of the heavy lifting and direction strategy - in the meantime if I am typical of most members, the Trust in it's current form will limp on, but largely due to the apathy of its membership and the terrible relationship with the club be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things
Only after they tried and failed to cow the existing board into standing down and leaving the Trust rudderless in the process.
You probably are typical of most Trust members and the wider support, but if that's the case we, as a fanbase of several thousands, only have ourselves to blame.
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« Reply #46806 on: October 31, 2024, 11:34:10 am »

To try to find some balance. What they have outlined here is correct as they will now (I assume) need to submit a material change which by its nature will take time. It does also say at the bottom of the letter that WNC are working with the club on a way forward so that work doesnt have to stop (words to that effect anyway),

But this brings me back to my first post on this. If we had a strong Trust that hadnt alienated themselves it would have been much easier...

"Hi James, hows it going. xxxx here from the Trust, I see the NMA has been rejected, typical f***ing council eh covering their own arses. Just curious what impact this will have to the timeframe and budget and if the Trust can support in anyway".

"Hi xxxx, great to hear from you, yes its frustrating but they are just doing their jobs and we understand it with all the history on this, we thought it was a risk but one worth taking. Appreciate you reaching out but wont have any impact as we can get on with other work whilst we wait for the approval and the builders have given assurances any time can be recovered."

This is exactly how it should be. It is so sad that you can sit and draft that in 5 minutes and that you, I and most others can see that it would be the most meaningful way to get a response from the club and an answer for the wider trust membership and fanbase. But this is where we are unfortunately.

The land registry map is also very concerning for me and I as a fan would like an answer to that question. I suspect it's a land registry error rather than some scheme by our owner to annex the west stand some part of the land to the east. But with the tone of the letter and with the relationship as it is between club and trust, I am not expecting a meaningful response and dialogue. lets see...
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« Reply #46807 on: October 31, 2024, 11:41:34 am »

Only after they tried and failed to cow the existing board into standing down and leaving the Trust rudderless in the process.
You probably are typical of most Trust members and the wider support, but if that's the case we, as a fanbase of several thousands, only have ourselves to blame.

I‘m not sure the coup left the trust rudderless as much the existing board remained so I‘d argue the direction pretty much remained the same.

Re you other point yes I agree the royal we are to blame but I think you also have to critically look at what you can change rather than simply what you would like to change - with different personalities I‘m sure the trust could have a better relationship with the club - no bad thing but in reality I don’t think that would massively change anything currently happening at the club.

For me despite years of foot stamping on this particular issue what have the current Trust achieved (and no Derek, simply publicising issues doesn’t count as an achievement)
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« Reply #46808 on: October 31, 2024, 11:47:09 am »

I‘m not sure the coup left the trust rudderless as much the existing board remained so I‘d argue the direction pretty much remained the same.

Re you other point yes I agree the royal we are to blame but I think you also have to critically look at what you can change rather than simply what you would like to change - with different personalities I‘m sure the trust could have a better relationship with the club - no bad thing but in reality I don’t think that would massively change anything currently happening at the club.

For me it’s a simple question - despite years of foot stamping on this particular issue what have the current Trust achieved (and no Derek, simply publicising issues doesn’t count as an achievement)
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« Reply #46809 on: October 31, 2024, 12:12:25 pm »

I‘m not sure the coup left the trust rudderless as much the existing board remained so I‘d argue the direction pretty much remained the same.

Re you other point yes I agree the royal we are to blame but I think you also have to critically look at what you can change rather than simply what you would like to change - with different personalities I‘m sure the trust could have a better relationship with the club - no bad thing but in reality I don’t think that would massively change anything currently happening at the club.

For me despite years of foot stamping on this particular issue what have the current Trust achieved (and no Derek, simply publicising issues doesn’t count as an achievement)
I was the Chair of the Trust for a number of years and all the board put in loads of hours and effort to keep the Trust running. With all due respect, I think that the "new" board members had no idea how much time it takes and, as we often had to do, meet up and stuff letters for the members, that would be difficult living 3000 miles away.
   It's been pointed out time and again, the members can change the Trust, but no matter how many people write GIVE US OUR TRUST BACK it won't change anything in the slightest, you need more than words.
  I reply to your last line Peter, the current Trust stepped up and loaned the money to pay the staff of NTFC when they were set to walk out, a loan that has never been paid back. They paid for the team coach when Country Lion, who were owed money, declined to provide a coach for a match, which prevented possible sanctions for not forfilling a fixture. The Trust also worked out the deal which was used by KT to buy NTFC after NBC asked us if it was OK, the reason we agreed was that we were told about the "Ringfenced money" to complete the East.
     But apart from that, the Trust have done nothing  Angry
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« Reply #46810 on: October 31, 2024, 12:31:00 pm »

I was the Chair of the Trust for a number of years and all the board put in loads of hours and effort to keep the Trust running. With all due respect, I think that the "new" board members had no idea how much time it takes and, as we often had to do, meet up and stuff letters for the members, that would be difficult living 3000 miles away.
   It's been pointed out time and again, the members can change the Trust, but no matter how many people write GIVE US OUR TRUST BACK it won't change anything in the slightest, you need more than words.
  I reply to your last line Peter, the current Trust stepped up and loaned the money to pay the staff of NTFC when they were set to walk out, a loan that has never been paid back. They paid for the team coach when Country Lion, who were owed money, declined to provide a coach for a match, which prevented possible sanctions for not forfilling a fixture. The Trust also worked out the deal which was used by KT to buy NTFC after NBC asked us if it was OK, the reason we agreed was that we were told about the "Ringfenced money" to complete the East.
     But apart from that, the Trust have done nothing  Angry
So does it not annoy you that your legacy and all the great things the Trust have done is being s*** on by the current board? The Trust has a proud history. But it itself is now history unfortunately.

Also you can send an email from 3000 miles away, I know you will come back with GDPR stuff but there is no good reason in 2024 to still be using royal mail, except for a few random cases.
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« Reply #46811 on: October 31, 2024, 13:04:13 pm »

I was the Chair of the Trust for a number of years and all the board put in loads of hours and effort to keep the Trust running. With all due respect, I think that the "new" board members had no idea how much time it takes and, as we often had to do, meet up and stuff letters for the members, that would be difficult living 3000 miles away.
   It's been pointed out time and again, the members can change the Trust, but no matter how many people write GIVE US OUR TRUST BACK it won't change anything in the slightest, you need more than words.
  I reply to your last line Peter, the current Trust stepped up and loaned the money to pay the staff of NTFC when they were set to walk out, a loan that has never been paid back. They paid for the team coach when Country Lion, who were owed money, declined to provide a coach for a match, which prevented possible sanctions for not forfilling a fixture. The Trust also worked out the deal which was used by KT to buy NTFC after NBC asked us if it was OK, the reason we agreed was that we were told about the "Ringfenced money" to complete the East.
     But apart from that, the Trust have done nothing  Angry


Just for balance Roger. Who was the owner when the money was lent to the club?
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« Reply #46812 on: October 31, 2024, 13:25:11 pm »

So does it not annoy you that your legacy and all the great things the Trust have done is being s*** on by the current board? The Trust has a proud history. But it itself is now history unfortunately.

Also you can send an email from 3000 miles away, I know you will come back with GDPR stuff but there is no good reason in 2024 to still be using royal mail, except for a few random cases.
There are some things that the current Trust do that I wouldn't have done but, what really annoys me is when the Trust issue a reasonable statement, like they did with the Companies House and now planning issues, where NTFC have fell short, that it gets turned around on here to be the Trusts fault. KT must be loving it !
    If the Trust members don't give their email address's you can't send them an email and when I was involved we were posting around 500 letters per item, often 2 or 3 times a year. Like I say ,it takes a lot of time and effort to run any part time organisation and I don't think that the "rebels" thought it through and had any plans on what to do if they took charge. The Trust needs to be completely independent of the football club and that's something the FAB can never be
    Our history tells us that, at sometime in the future, we will again need a strong Trust despite what half a dozen people on here think.
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« Reply #46813 on: October 31, 2024, 13:26:30 pm »


Just for balance Roger. Who was the owner when the money was lent to the club?
The money, which had to be in cash, was lent to James Whiting the CEO
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« Reply #46814 on: October 31, 2024, 13:37:28 pm »

There are some things that the current Trust do that I wouldn't have done but, what really annoys me is when the Trust issue a reasonable statement, like they did with the Companies House and now planning issues, where NTFC have fell short, that it gets turned around on here to be the Trusts fault. KT must be loving it !   

I agree, the underlying questions are relevant. But there is no excuse for not placing a formal greeting in a formal communication (Dear James vs James). It's petty, condescending, unprofessional and it sets the tone from the very first word of the communication. Most importantly from the trusts perspective, it is not a productive approach. Every single communication from the trust makes me feel the same way.

Maybe they should look into using some of the new AI tools to proof-read and re-write their communications in a more formal tone (not even joking here)
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« Reply #46815 on: October 31, 2024, 13:41:11 pm »

  I reply to your last line Peter, the current Trust stepped up and loaned the money to pay the staff of NTFC when they were set to walk out, a loan that has never been paid back. They paid for the team coach when Country Lion, who were owed money, declined to provide a coach for a match, which prevented possible sanctions for not forfilling a fixture. The Trust also worked out the deal which was used by KT to buy NTFC after NBC asked us if it was OK, the reason we agreed was that we were told about the "Ringfenced money" to complete the East.

It's such a shame the Trust couldn't capitalise on this and work with club proactively. Absolutely should have been doing the good work which the FAB are currently doing.
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« Reply #46816 on: October 31, 2024, 13:44:32 pm »

There are some things that the current Trust do that I wouldn't have done but, what really annoys me is when the Trust issue a reasonable statement, like they did with the Companies House and now planning issues, where NTFC have fell short, that it gets turned around on here to be the Trusts fault. KT must be loving it !
    If the Trust members don't give their email address's you can't send them an email and when I was involved we were posting around 500 letters per item, often 2 or 3 times a year. Like I say ,it takes a lot of time and effort to run any part time organisation and I don't think that the "rebels" thought it through and had any plans on what to do if they took charge. The Trust needs to be completely independent of the football club and that's something the FAB can never be
    Our history tells us that, at sometime in the future, we will again need a strong Trust despite what half a dozen people on here think.
I agree on this letter and have said I think they are right to raise the questions, albeit it with a better relationship it could have been raised better. But personally I believe its the actions of the current board that mean that anytime they raise somethings, the default for people is negative towards the Trust rather than taking each question on its merit.

I dont doubt the commitment it takes, I have been involved with similar, but I have also received letters from various initiation's that state they are ending paper communication so if I want to continue I need to provide an email address. Even if you dont say you want to do it due to the time it takes, say its an environmental move or a cost saving move due to the cost of stamps.
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« Reply #46817 on: October 31, 2024, 14:52:02 pm »

I was the Chair of the Trust for a number of years and all the board put in loads of hours and effort to keep the Trust running. With all due respect, I think that the "new" board members had no idea how much time it takes and, as we often had to do, meet up and stuff letters for the members, that would be difficult living 3000 miles away.
   It's been pointed out time and again, the members can change the Trust, but no matter how many people write GIVE US OUR TRUST BACK it won't change anything in the slightest, you need more than words.
  I reply to your last line Peter, the current Trust stepped up and loaned the money to pay the staff of NTFC when they were set to walk out, a loan that has never been paid back. They paid for the team coach when Country Lion, who were owed money, declined to provide a coach for a match, which prevented possible sanctions for not forfilling a fixture. The Trust also worked out the deal which was used by KT to buy NTFC after NBC asked us if it was OK, the reason we agreed was that we were told about the "Ringfenced money" to complete the East.
     But apart from that, the Trust have done nothing  Angry

Roger - firstly I personally know how many hours people put in to keep an organisation like the trust going - whether the newbies did or not appreciate that I have no idea but those that went public certainly did not give that as their reasons (although I accept they probably wouldn’t)

To clarify your response to my previous last point I‘m certainly not suggesting the trust have done nothing- far from it  but my point being in the last few years the majority of the energy seems to have been spent trading accusations with the club rather than anything productive and I’m curious to hear what you think they have achieved in that time.

Unfortunately human nature means memories are short and I truly believe the good work you and other have done has been damaged by the actions of some.

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« Reply #46818 on: October 31, 2024, 15:11:25 pm »

The money, which had to be in cash, was lent to James Whiting the CEO

As one of the unpaid employees of the club left in a lurch by DC, surely there was no expectation of James to repay it. In fact, he would not have had the authority, or means to do so. The loan has to be consigned to the record books as more of a gift than a loan. With no formal agreement, and the club and its staff in dire straits, there was very little prospect of recovering the money. It is a magnanimous gesture on behalf of the membership of the supporters Trust. Unfortunately the culprit who should be accountable for that stage of events, continues to evade justice. The current owners are in no way accountable.
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« Reply #46819 on: October 31, 2024, 15:13:45 pm »

For those that feel that way, use democracy and go get it.

Yes.... I'll pop along to the Trust board and ask for the names of the membership. Who have either passed away, or moved address, or simply can't be bothered.

Or I could ask the current incumbents to co-op a few of us on. DEMOCRACY 😂😂
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