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« Reply #46820 on: October 31, 2024, 16:27:14 pm »

I think that the "new" board members had no idea how much time it takes and, as we often had to do, meet up and stuff letters for the members, that would be difficult living 3000 miles away.

As usual, you're talking about something you know nothing about.

Perhaps meeting up to stuff letters was not something I was able to do, but i made it clear I was willing to attend meetings in person when needed, I put my resources and skills at the disposal of the board - until i realized It would be detrimental to the club & our fans to help them, at which point I stepped back - Absolutely zero to do with commitment, or time it takes, absolutely 100% to do with the behavior of the trust board and it's advisors.

But as usual, you like to try and twist things, just like the people you align yourself with - sent any more letters to the club that have been "ignored" recently Roger?


 
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« Reply #46821 on: October 31, 2024, 17:26:22 pm »

As usual, you're talking about something you know nothing about.

Perhaps meeting up to stuff letters was not something I was able to do, but i made it clear I was willing to attend meetings in person when needed, I put my resources and skills at the disposal of the board - until i realized It would be detrimental to the club & our fans to help them, at which point I stepped back - Absolutely zero to do with commitment, or time it takes, absolutely 100% to do with the behavior of the trust board and it's advisors.

But as usual, you like to try and twist things, just like the people you align yourself with - sent any more letters to the club that have been "ignored" recently Roger?


 
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« Reply #46822 on: October 31, 2024, 17:42:06 pm »

As usual, you're talking about something you know nothing about.

Perhaps meeting up to stuff letters was not something I was able to do, but i made it clear I was willing to attend meetings in person when needed, I put my resources and skills at the disposal of the board - until i realized It would be detrimental to the club & our fans to help them, at which point I stepped back - Absolutely zero to do with commitment, or time it takes, absolutely 100% to do with the behavior of the trust board and it's advisors.

But as usual, you like to try and twist things, just like the people you align yourself with - sent any more letters to the club that have been "ignored" recently Roger?


 
You really are a bitter and twisted person. As anyone who knows me will testify, I am and have been for over 60 years a dedicated NTFC fan and want nothing but the best for the club. You have such a blinkered view, everything the Trust have done is bad, everything the owners say is 100% true, a totally unbalanced view.Yet you come on here telling me I know nothing, well one thing I do know is that I've done more for NTFC than you can EVER dream of doing, I don't remember you "offering your services" when  we were facing liquidation whilst I was driving up &m down the country in negotiations with potential buyers and NBC
   
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« Reply #46823 on: October 31, 2024, 17:49:14 pm »

As one of the unpaid employees of the club left in a lurch by DC, surely there was no expectation of James to repay it. In fact, he would not have had the authority, or means to do so. The loan has to be consigned to the record books as more of a gift than a loan. With no formal agreement, and the club and its staff in dire straits, there was very little prospect of recovering the money. It is a magnanimous gesture on behalf of the membership of the supporters Trust. Unfortunately the culprit who should be accountable for that stage of events, continues to evade justice. The current owners are in no way accountable.
As I'm pretty sure you know, the request for the loan was made by James Whiting, he did have the authority as he was, and still is, the CEO.I'm also pretty sure that the Trust still have the signed copy of the loan request. At first KT denied it was their debt but the circumstances were explained to him and he acknowledged it
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« Reply #46824 on: October 31, 2024, 18:57:45 pm »

There are some things that the current Trust do that I wouldn't have done but, what really annoys me is when the Trust issue a reasonable statement, like they did with the Companies House and now planning issues, where NTFC have fell short, that it gets turned around on here to be the Trusts fault. KT must be loving it !
    If the Trust members don't give their email address's you can't send them an email and when I was involved we were posting around 500 letters per item, often 2 or 3 times a year. Like I say ,it takes a lot of time and effort to run any part time organisation and I don't think that the "rebels" thought it through and had any plans on what to do if they took charge. The Trust needs to be completely independent of the football club and that's something the FAB can never be
    Our history tells us that, at sometime in the future, we will again need a strong Trust despite what half a dozen people on here think.

Same as when the club issue reasonable comms and the Trust rip it to shreds OR ignore.
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« Reply #46825 on: October 31, 2024, 20:21:46 pm »

You really are a bitter and twisted person. As anyone who knows me will testify, I am and have been for over 60 years a dedicated NTFC fan and want nothing but the best for the club. You have such a blinkered view, everything the Trust have done is bad, everything the owners say is 100% true, a totally unbalanced view.Yet you come on here telling me I know nothing, well one thing I do know is that I've done more for NTFC than you can EVER dream of doing, I don't remember you "offering your services" when  we were facing liquidation whilst I was driving up &m down the country in negotiations with potential buyers and NBC
   

Firstly, the irony of being called bitter and twisted person by one of you lot is not lost on me.

Once again Roger it comes back to the tired attack of who is the better fan, something that is entirely unimportant to me and most others but seems to be something you have a desire to "have one over" on everyone with when they disagree with you, or the others that you stand by.  Sorry I can’t compete with your 60 years as I am still in my 30's, but you have absolutely no right to think your better than any of our fans, it's just a really sad way to think and an argument that damages your reputation every single time you do it.

I do actually fully respect that you have been a fan longer than me and that you have probably done and seen much more than me, but that doesn’t mean you are allowed to twist matters, it doesn't give you a free pass, and you're still perfectly capable of destroying the reputation you spent those years building, as you did before your disappearing act returning when you think everyone would have forgotten - we didn't.

You mention the Companies House situation and I emailed the club also and got a perfectly reasonable response which confirmed it was all timing, it was only a confirmation statement anyway and there was nothing to worry about which as it transpired was the case.  I was also told that the Trust received a response to this effect which it doesn’t seem like the members have seen a copy of that response.  Have you?  the last time someone dared to share something that had been sent to the trust they were threatened into taking it down. If the club chose to respond & had a perfectly reasonable position (in their shoes, I wouldn't) do you think the trust would publish a message saying there is nothing to worry about? Of course they wouldn't.

And that in a nutshell is one of my clear issues, and many other people's issues -  Things are hidden by this board all the time; they make outlandish statements in public but don’t seem to publish reasonable responses from the club, just like you did when you said they didn't respond, they did, you didn't like it and that's why you didn't stand up and ask the question in public.   There is never any balance, and I was on the inside for a while and saw it with my own eyes, all is well until someone disagrees, or dares to even question the path.  Let’s also not forget this is a board that is a rival bidder to the club.  Do you honestly feel that secretly partnering with a land developer was in the best interest of the football club, and we still have no idea what that plan even was.  How is that right for a Supporters Trust?

I got so disgusted I released many conversations to this fact, as I felt that the members and fans deserved better, and they all showed who had the power and how that power was being used by some board members and their puppeteer.  You cannot be oblivious to this Roger, and I know you are not, and it must grate you all the time that this is what the Trust by their own actions has been reduced too.  As someone else said your legacy is being eroded by these people.

You are right we tried to change it, but we failed, and we failed as we all just felt we couldn’t make the changes required.  The rot was too deep.  Please Roger since you have left tell me how many resignations have there been?  How many new additions to the board?  How many travel clubs left them?  That is not all just down to stuffing envelopes.  It is how people are treated when on the board and how our club, the fans, the staff are all treated by these people.

I fully understand you have to align yourself due to your history and that your travel to games is dependent on that relationship with your travel club, but let’s not hide behind the fact that the trust is now just a few angry men on a board just trying to shout loudly in a very small room that no one is listening too.

I am sure you did plenty and I really do respect what you did in the past and I am sorry if I come across as angry or disappointed, but I was directly abused by this current board as were many many others and I will stand up for myself and the club I love, especially when directly called out like you did to me.

The owners may not be the best and I am sure there could be better, but any organisation has to show balance especially a fan one like the Trust – all we have had from this board is the owners won’t build a scoreboard, they won’t do a training ground, they are just stealing land, they will sell straight away, they won’t finish the stand, they can’t find investment etc etc etc and the truth is in front of everyone own eyes these things have happened and are happening so at what point do you have to say you know what these fellas have done, and are doing, what they say they would - and proving certain people entirely wrong, over and over again.


We can all argue until we're blue in the face as to whether it has taken too much time or it is not up to some undefined standard, but the Trust never tell you about these successes.  Please tell me how many positive statements or comments about the Stand completion are on the trust website or social media currently? compare that to the number of times they've mocked the progress.  Most fans I know and talk too are happy the stand is finally being finished but you would never think that if you looked in the trust direction.

Overall staff are happy, fans are happy, Jon Brady is happy, players seem happy and did you listen to Grahan Carr’s interview on the Cobblers show last week? he said it was the best the club has ever been run in his opinion.  This isn’t made up stuff – this is why most people are not just hopping on the negativity train that the trust board as constantly trying to fuel, because it's happening is right in front of their own eyes. You're missing an enjoyable spell for our club because you've got your surrounding yourself with negativity and misery.

Even putting aside the history, and the abuse to fans and all the other things that come with the trust board which many fans and the club are not willing to just forgive and forget, For the Trust to have any credibility they need to show some balance, and they just don't seem to be able too, even the occasional attempts at any kind of positivity are laced with petty jabs.  It must be awful for them to see that Stand being built after all these years of them saying it wouldn’t be, they must hate that the owners aren’t just selling the land off like they said would happen and they must hate the fact that we are still holding our own in League 1 with an increased budget and playing squad size, when the Trust have only ever told us the owners hate football.

That’s why I have an issue with the current board, because everything good about the club they're supposed to love they cannot or simply will not see or talk about, but they try and jump on anything bad even when it's just not that bad, even worse they often try and make something out to be awful when it is really not.

That in my mind is just wrong, always has be and always will be.

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« Reply #46826 on: October 31, 2024, 21:20:28 pm »

Let’s not get this all twisted. People are not attacking the Trust, the very fact they spend so much time and effort engaging in this debate suggests something different. I would say that everyone involved in this debate is proud of the Trusts history and loves and cares very deeply about it. However, some are of the opinion that it has been hijacked by individuals with extreme views who despite the statements of representation and accountability have little regard for the broad spectrum of opinion of their membership. So there we have it, the board will not change their strategy and will plough on regardless of the consequences. Likewise the membership with concerns will continue to call these individuals out for it and aren’t about to let up anytime soon. I would also suggest that the decision to become a commercial competitor of the club fully vindicated that position and to claim otherwise is defending the indefensible. Whilst the issues go way beyond this, IMO that one decision tells you everything you need to know.
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« Reply #46827 on: October 31, 2024, 21:58:04 pm »

A sage man claimed recently (in a place that we dare not mention or venture), that a little learning can be a dangerous thing. Wise words indeed.
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« Reply #46828 on: October 31, 2024, 22:26:10 pm »

As I'm pretty sure you know, the request for the loan was made by James Whiting, he did have the authority as he was, and still is, the CEO.I'm also pretty sure that the Trust still have the signed copy of the loan request. At first KT denied it was their debt but the circumstances were explained to him and he acknowledged it

James Whiting cannot repay the loan without the go ahead from the owners. At the time the loan was made, the owner was the on the run DC. KT would have to get it sanctioned by DB. Neither had signed on the ownership dotted line at the time of the loan.

I doubt (and this is why it should be buried and forgotten) that the money will ever be recovered. In fact, I would suggest it is in nobody interest to raise it again.
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« Reply #46829 on: October 31, 2024, 22:54:03 pm »

James Whiting cannot repay the loan without the go ahead from the owners. At the time the loan was made, the owner was the on the run DC. KT would have to get it sanctioned by DB. Neither had signed on the ownership dotted line at the time of the loan.

I doubt (and this is why it should be buried and forgotten) that the money will ever be recovered. In fact, I would suggest it is in nobody interest to raise it again.
I actually disagree in principle. Whilst the new owners have no legal responsibility to cover the costs of the previous owners, I think there is perhaps a moral argument that this could be brought into consideration and remedied. However, the club have now identified in their previously filed annual accounts that that activities of the Trust Board have also cost them money, so it could be reasonably argued that once identified, those cost are also equally valid in any calculation. Thats the problem with taking the moral high ground, it invariably leads to turning the microscope of scrutiny onto oneself.
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« Reply #46830 on: Yesterday at 02:02:23 »

I actually disagree in principle. Whilst the new owners have no legal responsibility to cover the costs of the previous owners, I think there is perhaps a moral argument that this could be brought into consideration and remedied. However, the club have now identified in their previously filed annual accounts that that activities of the Trust Board have also cost them money, so it could be reasonably argued that once identified, those cost are also equally valid in any calculation. Thats the problem with taking the moral high ground, it invariably leads to turning the microscope of scrutiny onto oneself.

They have no legal or moral need to cover the costs. It was a private arrangement between James Whiting and the Trust before DB and KT were in the picture.
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« Reply #46831 on: Yesterday at 04:24:43 »

They have no legal or moral need to cover the costs. It was a private arrangement between James Whiting and the Trust before DB and KT were in the picture.
That’s that then, looks like it’s just the costs indicated by the club that seem to be a point of contention between those involved?
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« Reply #46832 on: Yesterday at 06:43:52 »

Let’s not get this all twisted. People are not attacking the Trust, the very fact they spend so much time and effort engaging in this debate suggests something different. I would say that everyone involved in this debate is proud of the Trusts history and loves and cares very deeply about it. However, some are of the opinion that it has been hijacked by individuals with extreme views who despite the statements of representation and accountability have little regard for the broad spectrum of opinion of their membership. So there we have it, the board will not change their strategy and will plough on regardless of the consequences. Likewise the membership with concerns will continue to call these individuals out for it and aren’t about to let up anytime soon. I would also suggest that the decision to become a commercial competitor of the club fully vindicated that position and to claim otherwise is defending the indefensible. Whilst the issues go way beyond this, IMO that one decision tells you everything you need to know.

I was thinking more or less the same thing last night and was going to post it on here but got waylayed.

I'm proud of the fact we had the first supporters trust and fully recognise the good the Trust has done in the past. Let's be honest, if it wasn't for the Trust we almost certainly wouldn't have a club to support right now.

But that was a previous incarnation of the Trust. Under the current leadership it has become malignant. I've no doubt everyone involved on the board joined with best intentions but they've become entrenched in their war against the owners, to the extent they are more interested in waging that than they are in representing their members.

I said this the other day but there's no harm in saying it again. In the future, we may well need the Trust to step up if we ever find ourselves facing another existential crisis. God help us if, come that time, it's still this version of the Trust who have burnt every bridge they've seen, let alone crossed.
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« Reply #46833 on: Yesterday at 08:25:29 »

Let’s not get this all twisted. People are not attacking the Trust, the very fact they spend so much time and effort engaging in this debate suggests something different. I would say that everyone involved in this debate is proud of the Trusts history and loves and cares very deeply about it. However, some are of the opinion that it has been hijacked by individuals with extreme views who despite the statements of representation and accountability have little regard for the broad spectrum of opinion of their membership. So there we have it, the board will not change their strategy and will plough on regardless of the consequences. Likewise the membership with concerns will continue to call these individuals out for it and aren’t about to let up anytime soon. I would also suggest that the decision to become a commercial competitor of the club fully vindicated that position and to claim otherwise is defending the indefensible. Whilst the issues go way beyond this, IMO that one decision tells you everything you need to know.

Missed this Melly. Spot on post.
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« Reply #46834 on: Yesterday at 09:07:08 »

Missed this Melly. Spot on post.

This obsession that THE is attacking the Trust or bullying Derek is nonsense - yes there are occasional post that cross the line but equally we see ones with the reverse opinion that get a little heated

The vast majority of posters on this subject are reasonable, articulate and frequently make the following comments without abuse

1. Respect for the history of the trust and what have been done in the past
2. Respect board members put in a significant number of hours.
3. Want a trust to continue to represent our football club
4. Understand in a democratic organisations elected board members will sometimes make decisions without consultation with members however feel for major decision members should be consulted.
5. Don't understand/agree with the overt negativity to anything the club does
6. Don't understand why a non elected advisor seems so influential in decision making - seemingly those that actual members are not consulted on.
7. Don't understand/agree why the trust attempted a partnership with Cildara - a direct competitor to the clubs current owner, and no communication to members on a plan on how such an arrangment would benefit the club.
8. Don't understand an enviroment where so many new board members resigned after a very short tenure.

I could of course add to the list and not every point represents my own thoughts but the bottom line here if the Trust cannot accept valid questions and concerns, and simply rebuts them as an anti-trust agenda it is not fit for purpose.



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« Reply #46835 on: Yesterday at 09:59:10 »

This obsession that THE is attacking the Trust or bullying Derek is nonsense - yes there are occasional post that cross the line but equally we see ones with the reverse opinion that get a little heated

The vast majority of posters on this subject are reasonable, articulate and frequently make the following comments without abuse

1. Respect for the history of the trust and what have been done in the past
2. Respect board members put in a significant number of hours.
3. Want a trust to continue to represent our football club
4. Understand in a democratic organisations elected board members will sometimes make decisions without consultation with members however feel for major decision members should be consulted.
5. Don't understand/agree with the overt negativity to anything the club does
6. Don't understand why a non elected advisor seems so influential in decision making - seemingly those that actual members are not consulted on.
7. Don't understand/agree why the trust attempted a partnership with Cildara - a direct competitor to the clubs current owner, and no communication to members on a plan on how such an arrangment would benefit the club.
8. Don't understand an enviroment where so many new board members resigned after a very short tenure.

I could of course add to the list and not every point represents my own thoughts but the bottom line here if the Trust cannot accept valid questions and concerns, and simply rebuts them as an anti-trust agenda it is not fit for purpose.




8 is an interesting one.
Having previously stamped their collective feet, signing a petition that demanded the existing board stand down with immediate effect, I would assume the new intake then thought the job was done at the point they took their seats at the table via democratic means and little more of any substance would need to be done for the landscape of the Trust board to change overnight.
After trying to pal up with existing board members didn't work (how badly can someone misjudge a situation) and it became apparent that they couldn't just take the reins and drive the board immediately in another direction, they realised their version of what the Trust should be and how it should behave wasn't worth fighting for, and they reverted to type going back to shouting from the sidelines and demanding again on platforms like this that their nominated bad guys 'give us back our Trust'.


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« Reply #46836 on: Yesterday at 10:05:31 »

8 is an interesting one.
Having previously stamped their collective feet, signing a petition that demanded the existing board stand down with immediate effect, I would assume the new intake then thought the job was done at the point they took their seats at the table via democratic means and little more of any substance would need to be done for the landscape of the Trust board to change overnight.
After trying to pal up with existing board members didn't work (how badly can someone misjudge a situation) and it became apparent that they couldn't just take the reins and drive the board immediately in another direction, they realised their version of what the Trust should be and how it should behave wasn't worth fighting for, and they reverted to type going back to shouting from the sidelines and demanding again on platforms like this that their nominated bad guys 'give us back our Trust'.



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I actually disagree in principle. Whilst the new owners have no legal responsibility to cover the costs of the previous owners, I think there is perhaps a moral argument that this could be brought into consideration and remedied.
When I was on the board and we were talking with KT he actually agreed with this.
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« Reply #46838 on: Yesterday at 10:15:37 »

They have no legal or moral need to cover the costs. It was a private arrangement between James Whiting and the Trust before DB and KT were in the picture.
I'm afraid you don't know the first thing about the loan, you were not involved with either the Trust or NTFC at the time, but I was.You have no idea if it was a "Private arrangement" and KT was very much involved at the time.
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« Reply #46839 on: Yesterday at 11:36:06 »

100% correct

….& you would know because you were a board member at the time.

I posed it as one of the questions people are asking and WR suggested a plausible (but not necessarily true) answer and I‘m sure others will have different recollections.

I‘m certainly don’t know the reasons but my limited experience from (admittedly) just one board meeting was there was a strength of opinion that actively resisted any different views - and of course there was the welcoming statement from one gentleman- “ oh you are one of the people that post anti- trust messages on the Hotel End“
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