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« Reply #1500 on: January 17, 2018, 09:58:56 am »

People have said to me that they would go to watch the Cobblers if we still played at the County Ground or if Sixfields had standing. Others would also go more often if they could get 'good seats' I.e. Near my season ticket or not near the front or stuck in corners. Clearly other clubs that sell out have people sitting at the front or in the corners but our small stands make that option sooner. Also bigger stands, seated or standing would get bigger crowds for the bigger games and successful periods where hopefully many would become regulars. The 2015-16 all-conquering season, our best for 30 years, we were limited to just 5,500 as no East Stand for the majority of the season. The dilapidated but bigger County Ground pulled in 11,000 during the last most successful season back in 1986/87.
Sorry to p*ss on your bonfire, Lee, but during the successful 1986-87 season I think we had only one attendance of 11,000. That was the Cardiff game on the 28th December 1986. A lot of the attendances that season were pretty average but increased as the season progressed. Mainly 5000, 6000, 7000 gates.
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« Reply #1501 on: January 17, 2018, 11:12:39 am »

See that's where you lose any credibility, calling Sixfields a non league inadequate ground is laughable. Have you been to many matches in the conference / Conference north and south? If you think Sixfields is on a par with the majority of clubs there you have clearly lost the plot.

As for Cardoza, how on earth do you know what I did or didn't do regarding Cardoza, don't make assumptions about me based on your hatred of the club and KT.

Pretty sure I said the time is nearly there for redevelopment questions, how is that waiting indefinitely?

You can repeat your wants about Sixfields all you like but you are so blinkered in your hatred of all things Cobblers you can't accept your 'vision' is not the only way forward.

So at the risk of me repeating myself as much as you, I'll leave you to crack on 'changing the world' from the safety of your keyboard.
So your defence is that Sixfields is not  a 5hite as the smaller towns amateur  non league  grounds so we need not worry?
Yes you get on with some work😂😂
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« Reply #1502 on: January 17, 2018, 12:08:58 pm »

Sorry to p*ss on your bonfire, Lee, but during the successful 1986-87 season I think we had only one attendance of 11,000. That was the Cardiff game on the 28th December 1986. A lot of the attendances that season were pretty average but increased as the season progressed. Mainly 5000, 6000, 7000 gates.

The gates started off low, increased a lot up to Christmas/New Year when that 11,138 against Cardiff was achieved. Gates fell away as we weren't getting so many good results in the second half of the season. Indeed the league game after we took 3000 to Newcastle for the cup game was only 5,500 against Rochdale.

Gates picked up again towards the end of the season, but the final game against Crewe attracted just short of 9,000. There was also a 10,600 gate for the Southend Cup replay, but in the main it was as you said above.
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« Reply #1503 on: January 17, 2018, 14:31:05 pm »

Is that aimed at me?

I have read it. can you tell me which part of what i say is bollox? It seems to agree with the first part of my post entirely. It does not contain a business case for NTFC based on the current shell of an east stand and the current lease constraints. Hence the second part of my comment.
No it wasn't, but I would like to know what the lease constraints are that you mention and how that would prohibit the type of business case in the example from PNE, care to enlighten me?
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« Reply #1504 on: January 17, 2018, 15:32:51 pm »

No it wasn't, but I would like to know what the lease constraints are that you mention and how that would prohibit the type of business case in the example from PNE, care to enlighten me?

I don't know the specifics about the lease situation but i have heard rumours ranging from '2 leases for the land' to 'the lease doesnt enable adequate access to the stand to meet regulations'

The PNE example is an interesting one, as are all of them. It has £26 million price tag and does not detail how the initial capital was raised or what the increased revenue per annum was. No mention of return on invest or payback period. EDIT - i do see there some numbers and breakdowns later on the document, but they are not comprehensive and state a 25 year payback period.

You can't even begin to put together a business case for NTFC without those key pieces of information.

My original post was about how cramped town centre stadiums are not the way forward (in response to Melbourne suggesting we move to the town centre - albeit tongue in cheek - i think). Look at the use of space in each of those examples in the document and it only proves my original point. Office space, Gym space, conference facilities, accommodation. they all benefit from significant parking and reasonable space around the perimeter of the stadium.
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« Reply #1505 on: January 17, 2018, 17:49:04 pm »

I think greyfriars would be perfect for a new stadium 👌
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« Reply #1506 on: January 17, 2018, 18:44:11 pm »

I think greyfriars would be perfect for a new stadium 👌

Bit of turf in the middle and just let everyone stand round the edges, would be atmospheric enough to get 12k fans there  Wink
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« Reply #1507 on: January 17, 2018, 19:00:51 pm »

Sorry to p*ss on your bonfire, Lee, but during the successful 1986-87 season I think we had only one attendance of 11,000. That was the Cardiff game on the 28th December 1986. A lot of the attendances that season were pretty average but increased as the season progressed. Mainly 5000, 6000, 7000 gates.

The actual gates from that season were very different and a lot higher from the announced gates (as they were at many clubs back then). Remember the gate clickers who used to count us in because the gate counters didn't work and very handily missed quite a few, say no more Wink
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« Reply #1508 on: January 17, 2018, 20:20:53 pm »

Remember the gate clickers who used to count us in because the gate counters didn't work and very handily missed quite a few, say no more Wink
I seem to recall that a couple of turnstile operatives also noticed that the gate counters didnt work.. say no more. Wink
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« Reply #1509 on: January 17, 2018, 20:40:40 pm »

Anyone with any knowledge of Cobblers history knows that the original true Cobblers supporters come from the Kingsley/Kingsthorpe areas - hence our original nickname the "K Boys."

The rest of you should fck off and support Sileby, Dons or watch the rugby, you inbred utter wnkrs
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« Reply #1510 on: January 17, 2018, 20:49:25 pm »

The actual gates from that season were very different and a lot higher from the announced gates (as they were at many clubs back then). Remember the gate clickers who used to count us in because the gate counters didn't work and very handily missed quite a few, say no more Wink

This is true. I knew people in the club back then, and there were 13,600 odd vs Cardiff, and well over 12,000 against Crewe.
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« Reply #1511 on: January 17, 2018, 20:53:56 pm »

This is true. I knew people in the club back then, and there were 13,600 odd vs Cardiff, and well over 12,000 against Crewe.

I was also told many years later (by a very reliable source) that figures were reduced/doctored because of the club's fire certificate Shocked
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« Reply #1512 on: January 17, 2018, 21:01:50 pm »

Anyone with any knowledge of Cobblers history knows that the original true Cobblers supporters come from the Kingsley/Kingsthorpe areas - hence our original nickname the "K Boys."

The rest of you should fck off and support Sileby, Dons or watch the rugby, you inbred utter wnkrs

Aren't you from Semilong? I am sure I have seen you there on the street corners.
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« Reply #1513 on: January 17, 2018, 21:23:03 pm »

This is true. I knew people in the club back then, and there were 13,600 odd vs Cardiff, and well over 12,000 against Crewe.
And ďotherĒ reasons Iím sure ...
Nice to fondly look back at such things but subsequent football ground disasters show such as actions as being tantamount to manslaughter
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« Reply #1514 on: January 17, 2018, 22:16:43 pm »

Sorry to p*ss on your bonfire, Lee, but during the successful 1986-87 season I think we had only one attendance of 11,000. That was the Cardiff game on the 28th December 1986. A lot of the attendances that season were pretty average but increased as the season progressed. Mainly 5000, 6000, 7000 gates.
Yeah I know there was only one 11,000 gate plus the 10,000 cup gate and the 9,000 for the Crewe game and an 8,000 v Colchester with the average 'only' around 6,500. But we cannot pull in any of those sized crowds now, all other League One clubs could (except Wimbledon). Last season we averaged over 6,000 and that's without the bigger crowds like back in the day to swell the averages. We couldn't capitalise on that Wilder Championship season further due to the restricted capacity which is a damn shame.
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« Reply #1515 on: January 17, 2018, 22:55:50 pm »

Anyone with any knowledge of Cobblers history knows that the original true Cobblers supporters come from the Kingsley/Kingsthorpe areas - hence our original nickname the "K Boys."

The rest of you should fck off and support Sileby, Dons or watch the rugby, you inbred utter wnkrs
This will cheer you up Wriggers, this means Iím in the gang! Iíve never been accepted into a social group before, Iím filling up. It also means I wonít be forced to partake in the other activities as you demanded, what a relief!
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« Reply #1516 on: January 17, 2018, 23:27:32 pm »

you do know Sixfields is twice as close to the town centre than the old county ground?
Its 20 mins brisk walk / 10 mins bus ride from the station and you pass several food outlets and 6 pubs!
Sixfields is in an excellent location with its easy access to the M1 and just off the main ring road.
Its just the embarrasing  inadequacy of the ground thats killing our clubs growth.
It needs sorting.
it probably is, but I wouldnít build it in Abington Avenue either. I was just pointing out that accessibility seemingly encourages attendance especially from an impulse perspective. As some have said it wouldnít help those that travel from out of town but it would really depend on the support ratio of those outside and inside the town and the likely impact of location change on each group. Arguably the out of town support are going to considerable effort anyway and are motivated enough to consider the town centre a minor inconvenience. Alternatively, increased accessibility for the more local but less motivated potential support would be increased? Iím just talking off my head, the truth is when you are contemplating spending millions on anything you dont guess, you need to know. That means a hefty research and due diligence bill with every option considered and evaluated prior to implementation. Just like NBC did with the loan? Probably also explains the timelapse with the East Stand, if people are doing their jobs properly.
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« Reply #1517 on: January 20, 2018, 21:25:00 pm »

2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 15 home league games       2016/17  80,973     Ave 5398        2017/18  74,858    4990      -7.56%
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« Reply #1518 on: February 05, 2018, 13:10:23 pm »

The gap between last season and this closed significantly this week. The average number of home fans for league games passed 5000, and the 16th game, this season on a Saturday was up against the Swindon game played on a Tuesday last season.
The 17th last season was a home game with Oldham on a Tuesday night which produced our lowest number of home fans for any league game. That will be up against a home game against the Gills next week....interesting to see how they compare.

2016/17                                                                             2017/18
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                                    Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat   
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)                     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)                          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                                   Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                                    Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)                    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                                   Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                                    Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                                     Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                                     Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)                       Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)                          Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                                     Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                                     Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                                      Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                                    Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                                     Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                                    Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average after 16 home league games       2016/17  85,644     Ave 5353        2017/18  80,119    5007      -6.46%
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« Reply #1519 on: February 05, 2018, 19:14:03 pm »

More home fans for a game against Rochdale than ex-Premier League champions Blackburn. Interesting that. I would never have predicted that at the start of the season.
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