Disappearing Punters?

[BedsCobb]

Compared with most other L2 clubs and even a few L1 our attendance yesterday compared favourably. And we started early!

compared favourably with what?  small back water towns thats are barely a third of our size.
No it doesn't and wont until NTFC becomes solely the towns football club and not an investment project for passing investors.

[GrangeParkCobbler]

Wrexham pulled in over 4000 for their Vanarama game....Orient went even better with 5,500 for thier game......Edinburgh is doing a good job!

[clarkeysntfc]

If we were top of the conference, we would be pulling in 5,500 home fans.

[GrangeParkCobbler]

If we were top of the conference, we would be pulling in 5,500 home fans.

So going down wouldn't be such a bad thing? 

[WadeyCobbler]

We've lost around 500 home fans since relegation last season, at £20 a head that's £10,000 per game, £123,000 over the season. Plus probably a similar amount of away fans (Morecambe brought just 96)! So almost £250,000 down this season in gate receipts alone. Add on to that possible, parking, programmes, food, drink, merchandise; it's a significant drop in income.

[GrangeParkCobbler]

2016/17                                                              2017/18                                                                2018/19
Aug - Fleetwood         -   5048  - Sat                     Aug - Fleetwood                 - 5021 - Sat                  Aug - Lincoln        - 4789 - Sat
Aug - Wimbledon        -   4761  - Sat                    Aug - P@@h                      - 5278 - Sat                   Aug - Cambridge  - 4395 - Sat
Aug - West Brom       -    3967  - Tue (EFL Cup)     Aug - Cambridge                - 1310 - Tue (CHK)        Sep - Tranmere     - 4225 - Sat
Aug - Wycombe          -   1334  - Tue (CHK)          Sep - Donny                      -  5107 - Sat                  Sep - Wycombe      - 897 - Tue (CHK)       
Sep - MK Plastics       -    5349  - Sun                    Sep - Pompey                    -  4702 - Tue                 Sep - Cheltenham  - 4385 - Sat
Sep - Walsall             -    4937  - Sat                     Sep - Bradford                   -  5210 - Sat                 Sep - Notts County - 4295 - Sat
Sep - Man Utd           -    6854  - Wed (EFL Cup)    Oct - Bristol Rovers            -  5080 - Sat                  Oct - Bury             - 3903 - Tues
Sep - Southend          -    5368  - Sat                    Oct- AFC Wimbledon            - 4805 - Sat                 Oct - Forest Green  - 4839 - Sat
Oct - The Gas           -     5645  - Sat                     Oct - Blackpool                   - 4842 - Sat                 Oct - Oldham Ath.   - 4416 - Sat
Oct - Millwall            -     5889 - Sat                       Nov - Scunny (FA Cup)         - 2543 - Sat               Nov - Crewe            - 4732 - Sat
Oct - Bury               -     5457  - Sat                       Nov - So'ton Juniors (CHK)   - 1065 - Tues             Nov - Fulham U21    - 1021 - Tue (CHK)
Nov - Harrow Borough -   2935 - Sat (FA Cup)         Nov - Scunny                      - 4875 - Sat               Nov - Grimsby Town - 4896 - Sat
Nov - West Ham U21's -    573 - Tues (CHK)           Nov - Bury                         -  4640 - Sat                Dec - Stevenage      - 4416 - Sat
Nov - Peterborough      -  6213 - Sat                       Dec - Walsall                      -  4661 - Sat               Dec - Swindon         - 4918 - Tues (Boxing Day)
Nov - Bolton Wanderers - 5754 - Sat                      Dec - Blackburn                  -  5096 - Sat                Dec - MK Plastics     - 5514 - Sat
Dec - Rochdale            -  4986 - Sat                       Jan - Wigan                        - 4817 - Mon               Jan - Bristol Rovers  - 1215 - Tues (CHK)
Jan - Bradford City       -  4964 - Mon                     Jan - Southend                    - 4703 - Sat                Jan - Carlisle United - 4391 - Sat
Jan - Scunny                -  5150 - Sat                      Jan - MK Plastics                 - 6021 - Sat                Jan - Morecambe      - 4416 - Sat                   
Jan - Coventry City        -  6080 - Sat                     Feb - Rochdale                    - 5261 - Sat                Feb - Colchester U    - 4391 - Sat
Feb - Spirerites             -  5372 - Sat                      Feb - Gillingham                  - 4704 - Tue
Feb - Swindle               -  4671 - Tue                      Feb - Oxford                        - 5651  - Sat
Feb - Oldham                -  4429 - Tue                     Mar - Rotherham                  - 4753 - Sat
Mar - Charlton               -  5694 - Sat                     Mar - Shrewsbury                 - 4173 - Tue
Mar - Vale                    -  4564 - Tue                      Mar - Charlton                      - 5208 - Sat
Mar - Oxford                - 6035 - Sat                        Apr - Plymouth                      - 5416 - Sat
Apr - Sheffield United    - 5969  - Sat                       May - Oldham                        - 5058 - Sat
Apr - Shrewsbury          - 5535  - Mon
Apr - Gillingham           - 5980 - Sun


Home League attendance average   2016/17  123,850    Ave 5385      2017/18  115,082    Ave 5004     2018/19    72,741     Ave 4546   -9.15%

Pretty much comparable dates for the first SIXTEEN home league games of the season

Total 85,644       5353 home fans per game average 2016/17
Total 81,010       5063 home fans per game average 2017/18
Total 72,741       4546 home fans per game average 2018/19

[guest154]

long time since my last post, but i figure i'll my two penneth once more...

Besides the side playing badly and not representing value for money, the thing that puts me off attending most currently is our support.
20 plus pounds to sit in an almost totally negative enviroment for 2 hours takes it toll very quickly.
The malaise around the club needs lifting, and fast before the decline become irreversable.

sadly i have no solutions to offer, as i think they have all been talked to death. all the supporters can offer now is some real positivity towards the players because love them  or hate them there are all thats here in what is now a very real relegation battle.
the persistant negative atmosphere is almost certainly not helping.

[Dan]

You talk about the fans needing to create a positive atmosphere. But aren't willing to come and try to assist that yourself  fantastic irony.

This is absolutely nothing to do with the supporters.

[FezNTFC]

all the supporters can offer now is some real positivity towards the players because love them  or hate them there are all thats here in what is now a very real relegation battle.
the persistant negative atmosphere is almost certainly not helping.

Last year our players got applauded off the pitch by a sizeable section of the supporters after being relegated!

I couldn't disagree with you more. Despite almost 18 months of consistent rubbish, it still hasn't really turned that ugly at Sixfields. Instead, it's just dead quiet, nobody can be arsed. After the fourth went in today there was a quiet mass exodus, myself included. I didn't bellow at them, I just resigned myself to yet another home whooping and silently went on my way.

At other stadiums I've been to the players out there would have been roasted alive after conceding that pathetic fourth goal today.

[GrangeParkCobbler]

Last year our players got applauded off the pitch by a sizeable section of the supporters after being relegated!

I couldn't disagree with you more. Despite almost 18 months of consistent rubbish, it still hasn't really turned that ugly at Sixfields. Instead, it's just dead quiet, nobody can be arsed. After the fourth went in today there was a quiet mass exodus, myself included. I didn't bellow at them, I just resigned myself to yet another home whooping and silently went on my way.

At other stadiums I've been to the players out there would have been roasted alive after conceding that pathetic fourth goal today.

Hits the nail on the head!!

[clarkeysntfc]

I bet some muppets stayed and clapped like hungry sea lions today.

[Saint Cobbler]

Last year our players got applauded off the pitch by a sizeable section of the supporters after being relegated!

I couldn't disagree with you more. Despite almost 18 months of consistent rubbish, it still hasn't really turned that ugly at Sixfields. Instead, it's just dead quiet, nobody can be arsed. After the fourth went in today there was a quiet mass exodus, myself included. I didn't bellow at them, I just resigned myself to yet another home whooping and silently went on my way.

At other stadiums I've been to the players out there would have been roasted alive after conceding that pathetic fourth goal today.

But we haven't lost at home since September.

[Dan]

We'd only won four in that time and three of them were when Curle had his new manager bounce. Since then we've had so many dire performances and have been fortunate to get points. Today's thrashing has been coming.

Fez is completely correct. That fourth goal was shamefully bad.

[GrangeParkCobbler]

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/attendance_increase/

Positive spin on anything!!!

At the same stage back in 2016 in our title winning season......."of course crowds spkied towards the end of the season"

He also seems to forget that there were no seats in the East Stand that season, our capacity was limited to 6400 and we couldn't give away fans more than the 900 odd in the South Stand.

Appeantly we have grown our supporter base over the last few years.......really??  Compared to the same stage in 2016/17 (in league 1) we have lost 15% of our fans. Remember my figures are purely home fans, so it is more realistic than using overall gate figures when it doesnt take into account the away followings.

Think of that....15% down......£20 a pop.....thats potentially £30k per game.......x23 games.....almost £700,000 less over the season. 

Not so positive looking now is it?

[Deepcut Cobbler]

2015/16 Season
16 league games total 'home fans' =   70,351/16 = 4397
23 league games total 'home fans' = 110,178/23 = 4790 - the final 7 home games averaged 5690.
2018/19
16 league games total 'home fans' =   72,921/16 = 4558 - which will probably not increase in the final 7 games.

Without the promotion factor, what they have said is correct by 161 home fans per game.
However that doesn't take into account the ones that we gained during the League 1 years, that we have since lost.

[BedsCobb]

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2019/february/attendance_increase/

Positive spin on anything!!!

At the same stage back in 2016 in our title winning season......."of course crowds spkied towards the end of the season"

He also seems to forget that there were no seats in the East Stand that season, our capacity was limited to 6400 and we couldn't give away fans more than the 900 odd in the South Stand.

Appeantly we have grown our supporter base over the last few years.......really??  Compared to the same stage in 2016/17 (in league 1) we have lost 15% of our fans. Remember my figures are purely home fans, so it is more realistic than using overall gate figures when it doesnt take into account the away followings.

Think of that....15% down......£20 a pop.....thats potentially £30k per game.......x23 games.....almost £700,000 less over the season. 

Not so positive looking now is it?

They also forgot to mention that less than a paltry 1.5% of its catchment area bother to turn up.
Also the town has expanded by 50,000 since 1994 but our gates have fallen.
Bloody spindoctory 😂

[meccanostand]

They also forgot to mention that less than a paltry 1.5% of its catchment area bother to turn up.
Also the town has expanded by 50,000 since 1994 but our gates have fallen.
Bloody spindoctory 😂

Somerset news did a Study and have it at just over 2%. Still a small % of the town's population and a neglible one of the County's. Bottom 4 in League 2 in this respect.

Be interested to know the average attendance in the seasons around moving to sixfields and the real growth in the Premier League era.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/league-two-attendances-dons-grimsby-2266318.amp

[Deepcut Cobbler]

Somerset news did a Study and have it at just over 2%. Still a small % of the town's population and a neglible one of the County's. Bottom 4 in League 2 in this respect.

Be interested to know the average attendance in the seasons around moving to sixfields and the real growth in the Premier League era.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/league-two-attendances-dons-grimsby-2266318.amp

That's still based on total attendance not just the home support which for those with larger away areas makes them artificial figures.
I see that it quotes The Saints whose support comes from across the County and probably country as opposed to being limited to the town of Northampton.

It would be interesting to see what percentage of both the Cobblers and Saints support is from out of town.

[meccanostand]

1994-95 average attendance- 5086

2018/19 average attendance -5156

A growth of 70 in the Sixfields era, a period of unbridled wealth in the game. The population has risen. Bottom 4 in League 2 for attendance as % of population currently.

[Coolcat]

They also forgot to mention that less than a paltry 1.5% of its catchment area bother to turn up.
Also the town has expanded by 50,000 since 1994 but our gates have fallen.
Bloody spindoctory 😂

I have a cunning plan!

Why not have a mass mail drop to the 98.5% of the Northamptonshire area, a leaflet telling the occupiers of each address what utter c***s they are?
The leaflet could offer the remedy for not being such an utter c**t by getting themselves down to Sixfields.
Complete salvation and a completely full stadium, meaning an undeniable necessity for a larger stadium!
Doesn't even need Beds' businessmen!