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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2010, 07:27:26 am »

I think there are always people who would consider buying a club like ours. It would hinge on how much of any £7 mill DC would expect back on his "investment". Realistically none of it but would that stop him holding out for a return or maybe trying to hold on to the land lease.
 Tranmere were briefly for sale on Ebay this week and it wasn't a hoax!

 No such thing as too good to go down. Be afraid, very afraid.

In the current financial climate if you honestly think there are tens of people with millions of pounds that they are prepared to piss up a wall for the sake of a s*** League 2 football club with 4,000 fans you are absolutely off your rocker.
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2010, 07:39:08 am »


I never said tens of people pissing millions up the wall. Fools and their money are easily parted. 4000 of us do it week in week out.

Would it be  a case of better the devil you know and hand on your heart wouldn't change a thing?
If DC could step back in time and thought "what do I have to do?" he would be shocked and think what kind of fool and probably have tears on his pillow and his head would be spinning around.
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2010, 07:41:38 am »

Look guys. IF DC wrote his debt off, Im pretty sure somebody would take over and give it a go. On the other hand, if he wants a few million quid for it then there is no chance.

If I had 100million quid I would take it off his hands and invest in it. I wouldn't pay him any money for it.

The fact is is that NTFC is not worth any money.
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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2010, 07:46:15 am »

If I had £100m quid I wouldn't touch any football club, let alone Northampton Town.
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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2010, 09:30:31 am »

Barring someone with no brain and a humungous pot of money coming along to sling it all at us, our future salvation depends on the support of Cardoza. Even if the multi-millionaire who's off-his-(or her)-trolley did appear, any improvement would last only as long as their pit of money made up the difference between cuckoo-land and reality. Many fans forget that Cardoza DID pour lots of extra money into the wages of expensive players, but it did us no long term good. I enjoyed watching Gabbiadini, Smith, Taylor etc. but a club must build its foundations from the bottom up, whereas mostly the wish for quick results at first team level means that all the money goes there in players' wages, while the longer-term coaching, scouting, youth team work either gets cut, or left to founder.
The appearance of rich owners into clubs like Liverpool and Manchester United has hardly done them any good. Chelsea will continue to thrive while Abramovitch pours his extra money into them, and the same goes for Manchester City, but that won't continue for ever. It does no good for the game because the whole financial shooting match gets skewed away from reality. 
Reality is when budget is based upon income. Within that relatively tight framework exists the space for true investment, which produces a subsequent rise in eventual income. Hence my argument that spending a big sum on the correct striker at the right time would have kept us in league 1, and would have been less expensive than the mess we're now stuck with. A bad run of injuries and a rash of red cards has left us exposed. We don't even play proper reserve games any more.
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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2010, 09:49:37 am »

It's woeful decisions like the ones that you've mentioned Steve that has put us in this mess, yet you still believe that the Cardozas are key to future salvation ? As I've mentioned before, it's checkmate for the Cardozas.They either cut their losses and walk away with the respect of the fans, or they sit tight and watch the whole scenario get a whole lot worse until the club eventually crumbles.That's the black and white scenario in which we now find ourselves.
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« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2010, 09:52:25 am »

...with the respect of the fans...

It pains me to say this, Ted, but that respect is worth a lot less than £7,000,000. Nothing personal, of course.
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« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2010, 09:59:21 am »

So what are the alternatives to the Cardoza's here? Anyone got any names? Or are we just gambling that someone will want to take an underperforming market town club and pour endless millions into it without indebting us to them at all?

Face it, unless we get a Northampton born billionaire, we aren't exactly the most appealing club on the market for someone to burn all their cash on.
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« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2010, 10:00:00 am »

Hence my argument that spending a big sum on the correct striker at the right time would have kept us in league 1, and would have been less expensive than the mess we're now stuck with.

Oh, so close Steve, except that the money in the case of your arguement would have been given to Stuart Gray, so I guess we'd have been blessed by having Steve Guinan at the club a little earlier than we did have.

All falls apart mate, doesn't it?
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« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2010, 12:18:34 pm »

IMO DC will want to wait until after the council elections next year before he conducts a review of his ownership in NTFC. That is May 2011 & as  I expect he will be desperate for NTFC still to be L2 side  I only hope he realises that the most cost effective way for him to preserve whatever the current value of the club is will be to WISELY spend some money now to ensure the team has an experienced solid and capable group of players thru the spine of the team.
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« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2010, 12:22:32 pm »

Any idea how you can guarantee how money is wisely spent?


Take Purcell as a starting point.
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« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2010, 17:31:00 pm »

Course there is no gaurantee of how wisely money is spent until the benefit of hindsight. What I was alluding to is that, we do not need any knee jerk reaction to the current situation. Obviously action needs to be taken, but we need to do it in a measured way and try and get it right for once. The club's future may well depend upon it!!!
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« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2010, 19:05:28 pm »

Or he'll score and slide towards the west stand Adebayor style....

Running virtually the length of the pitch...just aint Bayo...in fact...running..just aint Bayo! Grin Grin
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« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2010, 20:24:18 pm »

Oh, so close Steve, except that the money in the case of your arguement would have been given to Stuart Gray, so I guess we'd have been blessed by having Steve Guinan at the club a little earlier than we did have.

All falls apart mate, doesn't it?

By no stretch of the imagination could Guinan be called "The correct striker" - as I'm sure you'll agree! Anyway, he isn't a striker, strikers score goals. The only one we've got is McKenzie, with McKay running a long way behind.
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« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2010, 10:28:22 am »

Ok, ok, ok.

I am worried but not panicking yet.  We are still in October and have a long way to go.  Don't get me wrong, I was worrying when the Oxford fans started to sing "going down" at un on Saturday and started to think of Darlo, Grimsby etc getting pulling into relegation dog fights early in the season.

I think we need to start believing again (fans, players, management, board etc).  We shouldn't be occupying a bottom spot in the league.  I will start to worry more if we are still in this position in a month or two but no panic yet.

As for DC, I agree that it is better the devil you know (not that I think DC is a devil at all).  Look at the rogue owners in football that have taken clubs into admin over the past few years (and god forbid, remember McRitchie), I would rather stay with DC thank you.  There is no money at this level and the huge sums at the top are ruining the game more and more by the week.  I think the last year or so has shown the true colour of money in the game.  (Think Liverpool, Pompey, overpaid tossers moaning etc).
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« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2010, 10:30:44 am »

I don't know him personally but I actually like DC. He usually talks sense and I think that he genuinely cares.
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« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2010, 10:31:21 am »

Any idea how you can guarantee how money is wisely spent?


Take Purcell as a starting point.

Your refering to the fact he never played or the fact he is injured?  We didn't know he would get a long term injury when we signed him.
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« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2010, 10:44:41 am »

It's too simplistic to blame the owner each time and 'order' him to cough up more money. The players we have are good enough but as Sammo has suggested recently they are mentally weak and unprepared for physical battles like Macclesfield away.
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« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2010, 11:08:47 am »

Your refering to the fact he never played or the fact he is injured?  We didn't know he would get a long term injury when we signed him.

I cam refering to the fact that you could spend the entire budget on a fantastic striker but if he breaks his leg in his first appearance you're f***ed!
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