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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2014, 10:58:43 am » |
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I have at least 5-6 Oxford fans who I know relatively well. One of them working at the club. Opinion is divided on Wilder, but what else would you expect for a manager who has been there for a while???
If I'm honest and I don't mean it disrespectfully, I don't give a shyte what Oxford supporters, or our sanctimonious small core of error free supporters on here say. If he comes to us I will back him 100% until he deserves less.
I have to laugh at our supporters who go on about our style of play. I've been around a good while now. I'd love someone to tell me how I managed to miss this expansive cultured football that some of the plebs on here reckon happened at some point. Wilder has done a good job at Oxford and if they can't see it and few on here can't then that's nothing new.
He clearly asked his chairman if had could talk to a prospective employer and was denied the opportunity. He wasn't happy so decided to thank the players and act in accordance with his own feelings. If Oxford supporters expected him to grab the mic and belt out a rendition of a '"Nothing Compares To You" then they are as deluded about the human condition as some are on here.
I don't know where I sit with your run down of our fans then Nige because in Wilder all I can see is another Johnson/Boothroyd waiting to happen. We seem to have nothing but dull, boring football for year upon year now and that's what we can expect for the foreseeable future. f***ing pig sick of it. How the Cardozas have handled this whole debacle this last month and more is a disgrace and an embarrassment. And with the way Wilder has handled things he'll fit in just nicely with them.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2014, 11:00:31 am » |
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Is that more or less lowly than Marvo (where he, by the way - not like him not to be in the thick of things)
I don't know......was wondering where he was myself!! He'd have plenty to say i'm sure!! And i'm more lowly! He's got a few more years under his belt than I have!
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2014, 11:02:19 am » |
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I don't know where I sit with your run down of our fans then Nige because in Wilder all I can see is another Johnson/Boothroyd waiting to happen. We seem to have nothing but dull, boring football for year upon year now and that's what we can expect for the foreseeable future.
****ing pig sick of it. How the Cardozas have handled this whole debacle this last month and more is a disgrace and an embarrassment. And with the way Wilder has handled things he'll fit in just nicely with them.
This ^^^^^
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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2014, 11:06:59 am » |
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I don't know where I sit with your run down of our fans then Nige because in Wilder all I can see is another Johnson/Boothroyd waiting to happen. We seem to have nothing but dull, boring football for year upon year now and that's what we can expect for the foreseeable future.
****ing pig sick of it. How the Cardozas have handled this whole debacle this last month and more is a disgrace and an embarrassment. And with the way Wilder has handled things he'll fit in just nicely with them.
I actually agree with all this, but currently I'm reduced to looking at the short term. This whole situation is shambolic
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2014, 11:15:19 am » |
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For once I'm a bit of a fence sitter...
Wilder doesn't excite me. Not one bit. I'm also struggling to fathom out why we are going after someone whose under contract but is not exactly 'all that'. He's 'ok', even 'solid' at this level. But nothing more and nothing less. Is he really worth paying compensation for? That's what I don't understand because on the face of it he isn't. That said, he will have my 100percent support.
I still maintain that it's not the manager who's been the problem this last month, the team is totally the issue. Is Wilder the best contestant for Supermarker Sweep? Assuming things are sorted tomorrow then we will know the answer to that by the end of the week. But I fear that if we are going to bring in the bundle of players needed to keep us in the football league we are going to have to pay massively over the odds for them both in transfer fees and wages. It's all been left too late, my biggest fear is that we will end up with a load of expensive mercenaries in a weeks time who we will regret having in a few weeks/months time and that the legacy of this period of time will drag well and truly into next season.
We will see. But at this moment in time I have not once ounce of optimism. Yesterday's starting eleven was arguably the least talented team to step out onto the Sixfields pitch. There is just no 'template' in place to build on, too a man it is incapable. We need 2 centre mids, 2 strikers, a winger, a right back...a commanding centre back. That's 7 new players. In a week .
Come on Bungle...write one of your positive posts to give me some hope!!
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2014, 11:23:33 am » |
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You can leave when you want. Fact. It just might cost you a couple of quid. The only exceptions are the Armed forces as far as know.
Unless in training, you have to pay to leave before your contract expires or you provide notice without financial penalty.
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2014, 11:28:04 am » |
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He is ideal for us. A manager who has established a solid league 2 side and one who can get a team up from the conference, which is our most likely requirement.
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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2014, 11:36:13 am » |
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He is ideal for us. A manager who has established a solid league 2 side and one who can get a team up from the conference, which is our most likely requirement.
Ahhh, but has he ever fought a relegation battle??
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2014, 11:47:56 am » |
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I don't know if he's fought a relegation battle but how often have we finished as champions or won a four way play-off race in recent history? Where is Marvo, he accused me of being female.... What a way to welcome a new poster.
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2014, 11:51:06 am » |
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Ahhh, but has he ever fought a relegation battle??
Which is why his conference credentials are so handy. Sir Alex would have his work cut out to turn this shower around.
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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2014, 12:01:24 pm » |
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We will see. But at this moment in time I have not once ounce of optimism. Yesterday's starting eleven was arguably the least talented team to step out onto the Sixfields pitch. There is just no 'template' in place to build on, too a man it is incapable. We need 2 centre mids, 2 strikers, a winger, a right back...a commanding centre back. That's 7 new players. In a week .
Come on Bungle...write one of your positive posts to give me some hope!!
...although... It's incredibly difficult to keep track of all the players passing through our revolving door, but couldn't we soon have, compared with yesterday: Doumbe, ROD, Hackett, Hornby, Nicholls and Langmead fit....? Reid back in the fold...? Which looks much less a team about to be relegated than yesterday's team did....?
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2014, 12:12:54 pm » |
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...although...
It's incredibly difficult to keep track of all the players passing through our revolving door, but couldn't we soon have, compared with yesterday:
Doumbe, ROD, Hackett, Hornby, Nicholls and Langmead fit....?
Reid back in the fold...?
Which looks much less a team about to be relegated than yesterday's team did....?
spot on ; most forget on here that we have an horrendous injury list. Don't see Hornby and Langmead having a positive effect on current season. Not even sure that Nichols will play again. Was a bit bemused by AK player selection though with Demon , Reid? and ROD not in the team. Would AB have done better this month?
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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2014, 13:26:50 pm » |
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Come on Bungle...write one of your positive posts to give me some hope!!
IF we appoint Wilder, this what we'd be getting: - A manager whose current team are four points off top spot with a game in hand - A manager with the best defensive record in the division - A manager with the fifth most goals scored in the division (despite Oxford's fans complaints of negative football) - A manager with the best away record in the division Personally, I would be very happy with him as an appointment. I'm struggling to think of anybody better qualified to get us out of our current predicament, and I think he would be more than worth the potential compensation. We're way past the window of opportunity for making a progressive, visionary appointment like O'Driscoll or Edinburgh (whose Newport side, incidentally, are 7 points behind Wilder's). As TFAHM suggests, perhaps we have to recognise that the time for playing progressive passing football is when you're in League One and have a bit more time and space. We can make a Stuart Gray-type appointment later on when we've got out of this ****hole of a division. Anyway, that's pie in the sky at the moment, and the question of our style of football has never been more irrelevant. What we need now is simply a professional, no nonsense return to effective direct football with committed, permanently contracted players operating in their rightful position. It's not rocket science, and Wilder has a proven track record of delivering just that. I also think that, were he to secure survival, he wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater a la Boothroyd and try to change our style too quickly. The fact is that as it stands we can still stay up. We have twenty games to get the 30 points to guarantee survival (it may well require less than that). A decent, solid manager and four new permanent/long-term loan signings should provide the impetus for us to win the 8 games and secure the draws which will take us over the line. Duke, Collins, Tozer, Doumbe, Widdowson, Hackett, Carter and ROD ARE good enough at this level IMO. Many will disagree on Carter, but I think that if paired with a decent 'terrier' like Ravenhill he could continue his recent upturn in form and start showing his undoubted ability. AB didn't have the tactical nous to manage him properly. As for ROD, the player who scored five goals at the end of last season WAS definitely good enough. I honestly feel that given a decent manager and a bit of confidence these players (and the likes of Hackett and Widdowson) could start performing to their full potential again. IMO the four crucial players we need are: 1. Centre forward (preferably a big target man who can also score goals) 2. Central midfielder in the Ravenhill/Guttridge mold 3. Hard working left winger 4. Right back IMO, these all need to be permanent signings. The new manager will also need to compliment this with some decent long-term loans. NB: If we fail to appoint Wilder or someone of similar quality and to make these signings, all this goes out the window. I will become a fully-paid up member of the 'we are doomed' club and I think the time will come to start seriously questioning DC's ability to continue to run this football club.
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2014, 16:31:10 pm » |
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The signing of Wilder needs to be resolved immediately if he is to rescue our league status. What we can't afford is a messy drawn out saga.
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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2014, 16:35:48 pm » |
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IF we appoint Wilder, this what we'd be getting:
- A manager whose current team are four points off top spot with a game in hand - A manager with the best defensive record in the division - A manager with the fifth most goals scored in the division (despite Oxford's fans complaints of negative football) - A manager with the best away record in the division - His whole team - Oxford's current points
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"Andrew Ellis was very much against what was going on. The Cardozas were strictly about business and development so that was him out the door. Andrew Ellis was only ever a football man."
*****And he appointed Terry Fenwick*****
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2014, 16:36:50 pm » |
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Why didn't we go straight to last base with him in early Jan then, instead of faffing around with CC ,JE, and CH? DC clearly thinks these men are more appropriate candidates.
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2014, 16:57:58 pm » |
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Why didn't we go straight to last base with him in early Jan then, instead of faffing around with CC ,JE, and CH? DC clearly thinks these men are more appropriate candidates.
Probably because DC wanted to avoid the embarrassing rigmarole we're going through now. CC is a known quantity and his departure from Norwich would have been a lot less traumatic/costly; JE is a younger, more 'exciting candidate' at a smaller club than Oxford; and, for all we know, CH was never in the running.
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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2014, 17:23:52 pm » |
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Never mind 'where's Marvo?'...I want to know from Marcmewordz, what happens after we're 'doomed'?
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2014, 18:59:28 pm » |
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Never mind 'where's Marvo?'...I want to know from Marcmewordz, what happens after we're 'doomed'?
I was thinking that , all those years when Marc was posting "doomed" after every defeat , now when we could be doomed he doesn't post
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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2014, 19:34:51 pm » |
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I was thinking that , all those years when Marc was posting "doomed" after every defeat , now when we could be doomed he doesn't post He deleted his account. Reasons unknown.
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To baldly go where no Betamax has gone before...
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