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Title: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: DrillingCobbler on September 19, 2020, 19:40:57 pm
The messiah of football.

22nd league2 - 7th in league1. In less than 2 years. Good house keeping, halved the wage bill. Made more from incoming transfer fees than every manager we've had combined.

Keith talks about waves. He walks on water.

Fundamentals, journeys, jigsaws...he has it all.

In Keith we trust!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: tuks on September 19, 2020, 19:57:42 pm
All I’d say is give it til Xmas. To be honest we haven’t played anyone decent yet.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Irchy cob on September 19, 2020, 19:59:41 pm
All I’d say is give it til Xmas. To be honest we haven’t played anyone decent yet.

That’s the spirit.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BMON on September 19, 2020, 20:25:03 pm
The messiah of football.

22nd league2 - 7th in league1. In less than 2 years. Good house keeping, halved the wage bill. Made more from incoming transfer fees than every manager we've had combined.

Keith talks about waves. He walks on water.

Fundamentals, journeys, jigsaws...he has it all.

In Keith we trust!

Are you looking for a drilling from Keith :-*


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on September 19, 2020, 20:33:46 pm
Bit OTT Drillers. Calm down and have a cup of tea.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: yayo bayo on September 19, 2020, 21:00:17 pm
KC has impressed me greatly....he is able to put a team out on paper who from a semi knowledgeable football perspective are inferior to the opposition....but due to tactics we are superior. We wi lose a lot this season but with the players at our disposal we will win more than the majority expect....sorry played footy and expected ten pints!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: yayo bayo on September 19, 2020, 21:07:47 pm
Grammar awful


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: DrillingCobbler on September 19, 2020, 21:11:31 pm
Bit OTT Drillers. Calm down and have a cup of tea.

Not at all Evers. A great manager for us, and one thats stuck by us after promotion. He's had so much sh1t on here and social media, its about time he was given some proper credit!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: DrillingCobbler on September 19, 2020, 21:13:02 pm
KC has impressed me greatly....he is able to put a team out on paper who from a semi knowledgeable football perspective are inferior to the opposition....but due to tactics we are superior. We wi lose a lot this season but with the players at our disposal we will win more than the majority expect....sorry played footy and expected ten pints!

perfectly put, beers and 'grammar aside'!

He improves players. He puts 11 average players onto the pitch and makes them a collective force. He knows his stuff.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on September 19, 2020, 21:13:41 pm
Grammar awful

Are you BMON in disguise?  :o :o


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on September 19, 2020, 21:15:47 pm
Not at all Evers. A great manager for us, and one thats stuck by us after promotion. He's had so much sh1t on here and social media, its about time he was given some proper credit!

Never in doubt


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on September 19, 2020, 21:56:03 pm
He will end up sacked like all the rest.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 19, 2020, 22:41:59 pm
Not at all Evers. A great manager for us, and one thats stuck by us after promotion. He's had so much sh1t on here and social media, its about time he was given some proper credit!

He's had hardly any sh1t on here...

We’re all for those who give a sh1t about the club and team...


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: yayo bayo on September 19, 2020, 22:46:59 pm
Nope.....but grammar matters!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2020, 22:47:38 pm
Definitely deserves credit for getting three points out of the players available today. Keep it up Keith lad.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on September 19, 2020, 23:07:30 pm
He will end up sacked like all the rest.

 ;D ;D

That has to be a candidate for the safest prediction ever.

Unless of course... You throw in “left by mutual agreement” in there.. 👍👍


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 20, 2020, 07:19:17 am
;D ;D

That has to be a candidate for the safest prediction ever.

Unless of course... You throw in “left by mutual agreement” in there.. 👍👍
He will end up being poached by a perceived bigger club probably from a higher division. There is no chance of this ending up in a sacking. Just hope he lasts the season, if a championship chairman is going through the old drowning man syndrome and we are near the top around Christmas it will be adios muchachos. Or in Keith’s case, anciano?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Gen.Disorda on September 20, 2020, 07:20:58 am
As much as Shoemaker takes the piss about house keeping (A few of the digs have made me laugh, this isn't a dig at you)

Keith has really impressed me. Surely he got us promoted on a fraction of what others have if you take into account inflation of the market.

When I saw the team sheet yesterday I actually felt sorry for Keith but he has pulled off a master class. One sign of a really good manager for me is when you look at the side or the tactics and think "What the f*** is he playing at?" and then it works  ;D ;D. My one criticism of Keith would be that his tactics seem one dimensional and will stick to 3-5-2 at any cost, yesterday he changed it and made it work.

On top of this I trust keith recruitment and am really starting to buy into this idea of 'The right characters" and his "Jigsaw", he improves players and seems to be building a unit that is capable of punching above its weight.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: WadeyCobbler on September 20, 2020, 07:30:00 am
Ive always liked KC. He's a bit of a 'name' and seems well liked by the media and comes out with some great quotes and talks so well, although could cut out "and again" a few times! But more importantly he is proving to be astute football manager and capable of getting seemingly average footballers to play as a team and that is so important at any level but at at our level and club that is so vital.
Fair play to him and long may it continue. The only thing I would say though is we've only played Wimbledon and Shrewsbury, neither big hitters in this division so much tougher tests to come, but 4 points from our first two games is probably our best start to a season for years and with our resilience anything is possible.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on September 20, 2020, 07:38:54 am
The measure of any squad and the man management of it is how you respond to a poor performance. You know, like Cheltenham at home, or Bristol City away. How often pre Curle did we look like we were making progress, get a thrashing and go into free fall? It was heads down, hands down the shorts, and us down the table. Not anymore.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3338 on September 20, 2020, 08:47:47 am
Keith Curle is in Mensa,
Keith Curle is in Mensa,
la la la la,
la la la la.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Coolcat on September 20, 2020, 14:15:16 pm
I'll be out Thursday evening, clapping!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Larry on September 20, 2020, 14:55:52 pm
I'll be out Thursday evening, clapping!
;D ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: bungle on September 20, 2020, 20:03:56 pm
Curle has consistently defied expectations. He wasn't a particularly popular appointment on here and many doubted his capacity to achieve a career-first promotion with us.

Few of us felt confident about reaching the play-offs last year and when we did scrape in most of us wrote him off after the Cheltenham home game.

He appears to have found a highly effective formula in terms of both motivation and tactics. One theme which emerged in the podcast interviews with ex-players over lockdown was just how important tactical simplicity is for lower-league players. Hasselbaink's big problem, for instance, was his chronic tendency to overcomplicate every element of our play with talented players like Grimes played in roles of baffling complexity.

Curle is the complete antithesis to Hasselbaink. Like Wilder, he carefully vets the character of potential signings and it's hard to imagine him going for a 'bad apple' like KVV or Pereira.

My big questions about him were two-fold: could he deliver a career-first promotion and could he evolve the playing style from primitive hoofball to something more varied and refined. The first question was answered emphatically at Wembley. I have also seen some encouraging signs that the second question might be at least partially fulfilled, with the likes of Mills and Sowerby pointing to a slightly more expansive style of play.

My third big question is this: can Curle do what no Cobblers manager has done in the last thirty years and establish us as a long-term fixture at League One level? It's early days, and I suspect Hull might be a reality check for us, but the early signs are certainly encouraging.





Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3396 on September 20, 2020, 20:30:03 pm
Curle has consistently defied expectations. He wasn't a particular appointment on here and many doubted his capacity to achieve a career-first promotion with us.

Few of us felt confident about reaching the play-offs last year and when we did scrape in most of us wrote him off after the Cheltenham home game.

He appears to have found a highly effective formula in terms of both motivation and tactics. One theme which emerged in the podcast interviews with ex-players over lockdown was just how important tactical simplicity is for lower-league players. Hasselbaink's big problem, for instance, was his chronic tendency to overcomplicate every element of our play with talented players like Grimes played in roles of baffling complexity.

Curle is the complete antithesis to Hasselbaink. Like Wilder, he carefully vets the character of potential signings and it's hard to imagine him going for a 'bad apple' like KVV or Pereira.

My big questions about him were two-fold: could he deliver a career-first promotion and could he evolve the playing style from primitive hoofball to something more varied and refined. The first question was answered emphatically at Wembley. I have also seen some encouraging signs that the second question might be at least partially fulfilled, with the likes of Mills and Sowerby pointing to a slightly more expansive style of play.

My third big question is this: can Curle do what no Cobblers manager has done in the last thirty years and establish us as a long-term fixture at League One level? It's early days, and I suspect Hull might be a reality check for us, but the early signs are certainly encouraging.





Good analysis.

But.....

Personally, I am not worried about either of:

- can we play expansive football?
- can we get a result against Hull?

We are weeks away from the end the transfer window, and we have many players missing due to injury, etc.  It will take a few weeks before we have a really settled side.

So long as we go toe-to-toe against every team in this division, regardless of who starts, we will surpass expectations.  (And, we have the players that can do that).

We will never be Barcelona.  We do not have Messi.  We have a s*** ground.  But:

We have CURLE!

Trust, believe, Buy in to being a winner, and it will happen!



Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on September 20, 2020, 20:31:18 pm
Curle has consistently defied expectations. He wasn't a particular appointment on here and many doubted his capacity to achieve a career-first promotion with us.

Few of us felt confident about reaching the play-offs last year and when we did scrape in most of us wrote him off after the Cheltenham home game.

He appears to have found a highly effective formula in terms of both motivation and tactics. One theme which emerged in the podcast interviews with ex-players over lockdown was just how important tactical simplicity is for lower-league players. Hasselbaink's big problem, for instance, was his chronic tendency to overcomplicate every element of our play with talented players like Grimes played in roles of baffling complexity.

Curle is the complete antithesis to Hasselbaink. Like Wilder, he carefully vets the character of potential signings and it's hard to imagine him going for a 'bad apple' like KVV or Pereira.

My big questions about him were two-fold: could he deliver a career-first promotion and could he evolve the playing style from primitive hoofball to something more varied and refined. The first question was answered emphatically at Wembley. I have also seen some encouraging signs that the second question might be at least partially fulfilled, with the likes of Mills and Sowerby pointing to a slightly more expansive style of play.

My third big question is this: can Curle do what no Cobblers manager has done in the last thirty years and establish us as a long-term fixture at League One level? It's early days, and I suspect Hull might be a reality check for us, but the early signs are certainly encouraging.





Very good post, my thoughts exactly.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on September 20, 2020, 20:47:28 pm
I like this thread and long may the appreciation of KC continue. He's doing a fine job.

However, I do fear that two bad results in a row and some will be sharpening their knives as always. Hopefully that won't be the case.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation
Post by: everbrite on September 21, 2020, 22:43:02 pm
Very good post, my thoughts exactly.

Yep quite an interesting post from Mr Bungle. What worries me he (Bungle) still hankers for a refined playing style. Successful Cobblers sides have been built on an uncompromising defence with a Kiernan type midfielder (Jack Sow’) to help football along. What was interesting he reverted to 4-4-2 last Saturday. This is potentially a progression to a more refined system. The trouble with that he needs a damn good old style  centre forward and am not convinced we have such a player!  We now have at least one decent winger possibly two! But for bigger games we need an accomplished half back like Wharton. For me Missi and Watson  reinforced by Sowerby are quite adequate . With the two wingbacks now in place plus an accomplished half back and a CF(striker) who can hold his own in this Div we could find ourselves inadvertently in the Championship 8)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2934 on September 22, 2020, 08:24:45 am
Curle has consistently defied expectations......


I enjoy reading bungle's posts, always very soothing.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 25, 2020, 15:35:47 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/thomas-hails-curle-doing-great-job-cobblers-boss-celebrates-two-years-charge-2983352


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on September 26, 2020, 16:37:43 pm
Wonder how many comments this little beauty will receive tonight?
Terrible substitutions three big strikers on the pitch with no service, back three look shaken.
Come on Keith sort it out.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on September 26, 2020, 17:15:30 pm
Wonder how many comments this little beauty will receive tonight?
Terrible substitutions three big strikers on the pitch with no service, back three look shaken.
Come on Keith sort it out.

I'm starting to think that you actually quite enjoy it when we lose  ::)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on September 26, 2020, 17:25:31 pm
Not surprised that you had to immediately jump in on this topic and be assured KC will "sort it out". As I have said before best manager since Wilder and his win record of over 40% in his 2 years confirms this.
Agree today was not Mills best performance but to say he is not good enough for div.1 is ridiculous he has played plenty of games at this level and above in the championship with Southampton and Reading among others and is still good enough for this level. Marshall also today was not at his best and KC was clearly disappointed with the quality of balls into the box after sending on extra strikers. Harriman must have felt hard done by after his recent performances but when Adams is up to fitness I expect To see Adams and Mills as first choice wing backs.
Anyway in KC we trust and he has made many on here eat humble pie in the past and will continue to steer us in the right direction. Only this week Kelvin was saying what a great job KC has done thus far.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3338 on September 26, 2020, 19:05:18 pm
It all went wrong once he took The Marshall off. What was he thinking?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Carton Lid on September 26, 2020, 19:10:25 pm
Harriman must have felt hard done by after his recent performances but when Adams is up to fitness I expect To see Adams and Mills as first choice wing backs.
Unfortunately I don't think Adams has the legs to play wing back in League 1. He's always been a good winger but I think it's asking too much of him to get up and back all game and we would be losing his best points which is getting in crosses.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on September 26, 2020, 21:05:54 pm
Not surprised that you had to immediately jump in on this topic and be assured KC will "sort it out". As I have said before best manager since Wilder and his win record of over 40% in his 2 years confirms this.
Agree today was not Mills best performance but to say he is not good enough for div.1 is ridiculous he has played plenty of games at this level and above in the championship with Southampton and Reading among others and is still good enough for this level. Marshall also today was not at his best and KC was clearly disappointed with the quality of balls into the box after sending on extra strikers. Harriman must have felt hard done by after his recent performances but when Adams is up to fitness I expect To see Adams and Mills as first choice wing backs.
Anyway in KC we trust and he has made many on here eat humble pie in the past and will continue to steer us in the right direction. Only this week Kelvin was saying what a great job KC has done thus far.
Marshall was our best player, yet again today Theobald.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: NTFC Nut on September 26, 2020, 21:11:52 pm
We've got problems at the moment but I do have faith in KC to sort them out. Getting us four points from the first two league games with the players we had available was a really impressive return and was because of the way KC set the team up. Today was frustrating though, admittedly, and our lack of an effective Plan B would be my main criticism at the minute. If lumping it to the big man isn't working, it probably means we need to lump it less, not that we need to replace our creative players with even more big centre forwards.

Recruitment over the summer has been really underwhelming too, particularly at CB. On what we've seen so far, I wouldn't swap any of Turnbull, Wharton or Goode for any of Racic, Horsfall or Bolger. Hope that gets put right before the window shuts. At the other end of the pitch, I know we've had injuries but we're relying on the likes of Smith and Warburton, who struggled to hold down a place in League Two.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on September 27, 2020, 11:57:14 am
Martin was our best defender yesterday, I think that says it all.
Can we send Racic back to Brentford? He’s awful.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on September 27, 2020, 19:16:19 pm
So Daddy Pig "I'm an expert on these things" thinks Marshall was our best player yesterday while other posters quote how few crosses we had into their box. Yes he has played well recently but yesterday was far from his best performance, he is a wide player tasked with getting quality crosses into the box for our strikers and it is hard to recall a single one yesterday. In the Chron player ratings no other player was rated lower than Marshall who was rated 5 with several other players. In saying this I am not having a go at Marshall as I support all players representing our club even if I think they should be doing better as support is better than continually getting on their backs. I doubt that any player would have been happy with their performance yesterday.
KCs transfer record so far is much improved on those that have gone before yet you would think he had not signed a decent player according to comments on here. We had exactly the same last season when we signed Oliver, Morton, Anderson etc.
We are only a few games into the season but already we have had rolled out " he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team", " he can't pass the ball 5 yards", "he's not good enough for div.1" about a player who has made multiple appearances at this level and higher. Yesterday we even had somebody asking where the ball boys were, unbelievable.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on September 28, 2020, 20:40:31 pm
So Daddy Pig "I'm an expert on these things" thinks Marshall was our best player yesterday while other posters quote how few crosses we had into their box. Yes he has played well recently but yesterday was far from his best performance, he is a wide player tasked with getting quality crosses into the box for our strikers and it is hard to recall a single one yesterday. In the Chron player ratings no other player was rated lower than Marshall who was rated 5 with several other players. In saying this I am not having a go at Marshall as I support all players representing our club even if I think they should be doing better as support is better than continually getting on their backs. I doubt that any player would have been happy with their performance yesterday.
KCs transfer record so far is much improved on those that have gone before yet you would think he had not signed a decent player according to comments on here. We had exactly the same last season when we signed Oliver, Morton, Anderson etc.
We are only a few games into the season but already we have had rolled out " he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team", " he can't pass the ball 5 yards", "he's not good enough for div.1" about a player who has made multiple appearances at this level and higher. Yesterday we even had somebody asking where the ball boys were, unbelievable.
“Daddy Pig” your getting this forum mixed up with other “alternative “ website you obviously visit, fcuk me you get more like Theobald everyday Theobald. 🤣😂


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on September 29, 2020, 11:34:39 am
Hit too close to home did it. Your the one that likes to put ridiculous labels on other posters like disgustingly comparing one to chicken giblets.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on September 29, 2020, 11:43:10 am
Hit too close to home did it. Your the one that likes to put ridiculous labels on other posters like disgustingly comparing one to chicken giblets.
Only the posters who are hard of thinking, bet you live in a village Theobald?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3338 on September 29, 2020, 12:01:18 pm
We now have a bus service from our village. The inbreeding has reduced dramatically. I think we'll be getting piped gas soon.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on September 29, 2020, 12:02:25 pm
So only people who live in towns are capable of thinking daddy pig - classic.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on September 29, 2020, 12:27:52 pm
So only people who live in towns are capable of thinking daddy pig - classic.
You strike me as someone who has a lot of jealousy inside them especially for people of superior intellect such as myself, however now let your obsession with me end because it must be boring normal posters on the forum stupid, it is me.  8)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on September 29, 2020, 13:00:14 pm
"people with superior intellects such as me" I think when they were giving out brains you thought they said trains and asked for a slow one. Anyway it is not worth engaging with your constant negativity and snide name calling of other posters. When do you ever post anything positive?, you forecast us to lose every game and all of our signings our cr@p so you cannot call yourself a supporter. Guess you are still smarting from KC achieving his promotion.
Thankfully there are posters without inflated egos who it is worth debating with.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Another Pedj on September 29, 2020, 13:11:30 pm
;D ;D

That has to be a candidate for the safest prediction ever.

Unless of course... You throw in “left by mutual agreement” in there.. 👍👍

You have to remeber that Manny doesnt get much right. He needs a certainty.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on September 29, 2020, 21:03:41 pm
You have to remeber that Manny doesnt get much right. He needs a certainty.
Don’t we all  ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3359 on October 01, 2020, 14:10:56 pm
You strike me as someone who has a lot of jealousy inside them especially for people of superior intellect such as myself, however now let your obsession with me end because it must be boring normal posters on the forum stupid, it is me.  8)
Don't you have an election to prepare for Donald?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on October 01, 2020, 14:56:58 pm
Just to add a bit of realism.
A few defeats and everyone will want him out.
If he punches above his weight he will be off like a shot at the first whiff of ££££.

That’s modern day football.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 01, 2020, 17:21:33 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/feature-and-qa-curle-talks-progress-mentality-success-regrets-and-club-heading-one-direction-he-celebrates-two-years-cobblers-boss-2988811


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3359 on October 02, 2020, 09:38:47 am
Just to add a bit of realism.
A few defeats and everyone will want him out.
If he punches above his weight he will be off like a shot at the first whiff of ££££.

That’s modern day football.
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Coolcat on October 02, 2020, 10:02:29 am
Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best
Oh Brian, try not to get cross 🎚️


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on October 03, 2020, 15:45:51 pm
Just to add a bit of realism.
A few defeats and everyone will want him out.
If he punches above his weight he will be off like a shot at the first whiff of ££££.

That’s modern day football.
Bump


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 03, 2020, 15:52:10 pm
Don't you have an election to prepare for Donald?

What are you wittering on about, just stick to one log in, sad act.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BMON on October 03, 2020, 16:07:22 pm
What are you wittering on about, just stick to one log in, sad act.

what are you on about


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 04, 2020, 08:49:33 am
what are you on about
Do you know what irony means?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BMON on October 04, 2020, 09:18:31 am
Do you know what irony means?



CLUE: Literary master of irony
SOLUTION: OHENRY


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 04, 2020, 14:14:19 pm


CLUE: Literary master of irony
SOLUTION: OHENRY

Here you are folks ; not sure if it helps as have never read any of O.Henry's short stories! What emerges is perhaps there is more to BMON than meets the eye! Bit like KC maybe?

https://americanliterature.com/author/o-henry


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 08, 2020, 09:37:48 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-confirms-he-had-planned-take-cobblers-trio-during-saints-tie-2996005

Does anyone else get the feeling that the playing side of the club is being managed better than it has been for many a year, not just for today but for the future? 
I get the impression that as long as he continues to receive the support of the Board et al, KC is planning on being here for quite a while yet.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 10, 2020, 08:15:36 am
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/curle-wants-cobblers-be-more-posh-pitch-2998790

Praise for P@@h, but for a good reason if he can achieve it here... ;)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2020, 16:20:36 pm
Rename this to Keith Curle Depreciation thread. Far more fitting.



Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3338 on October 10, 2020, 16:50:22 pm
Rename this to Keith Curle Depreciation thread. Far more fitting.


His stock is going down.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Larry on October 10, 2020, 17:36:57 pm


CLUE: Literary master of irony
SOLUTION: OHENRY

I wouldn't put O.Henry as master of irony although he's a great writer.
Mark Twain would get my vote


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BMON on October 10, 2020, 20:07:21 pm
I wouldn't put O.Henry as master of irony although he's a great writer.
Mark Twain would get my vote

Then my friend, we need to have a long conversation and i will convince you to the ways of O' Henry


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on October 11, 2020, 10:23:52 am
Just to add a bit of realism.
A few defeats and everyone will want him out.
If he punches above his weight he will be off like a shot at the first whiff of ££££.

That’s modern day football.
Bump


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 11, 2020, 11:35:57 am
With this squad I can’t see where the next win will come, some of the blame lies with Thomas but KC has to take his fair share.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Coolcat on October 11, 2020, 12:02:09 pm
Drop Smith, put Korboa up alongside Seal, try and keep Missilou on, and have Marshall at the ready. Next Saturday I think could then bring a 3-1 win at Argyle!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 11, 2020, 12:08:04 pm
Drop Smith, put Korboa up alongside Seal...and they can beat Argyle next Saturday.
3-1!  ;)
Drop Smith for sure but not sure Korboa is the answer, looks horribly out of his depth at this level.
Rose and Nuttall for me, ( that’s Norris Evers)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Cordwainer2 on October 11, 2020, 12:33:50 pm
It really amused me at the time of the play offs that KC suddenly became the best thing since sliced bread. Equally amusing after a few poor results, seems he is useless!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 11, 2020, 12:49:03 pm
It really amused me at the time of the play offs that KC suddenly became the best thing since sliced bread. Equally amusing after a few poor results, seems he is useless!

As much as I like Uni’ Dan he is typical of a few select on here whose expert opinions go up and down like a t@rts knickers ::)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 11, 2020, 13:00:39 pm
With this squad I can’t see where the next win will come, some of the blame lies with Thomas but KC has to take his fair share.
Please explain how Thomas is to blame for the teams recent poor performances when he has provided an adequate budget. KC and his team chose the players and the method to play!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on October 11, 2020, 13:11:36 pm
I would love this team/formation if everyone is fit.

4-5-1

Arnold

Harriman, New centre back, Horsfall, Mills

Adams, Sowerby, McWilliams, Watson, Marshall

Rose

Subs: Mitchell, Bolger, Missilou, Hoskins, Korboa, Ashley-Seal, Nuttall


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 11, 2020, 17:09:26 pm
Please explain how Thomas is to blame for the teams recent poor performances when he has provided an adequate budget. KC and his team chose the players and the method to play!

Correct! We have played five league games, 2 in the EFL Trophy and another 2 in the EFL Cup, and have selected 29 different players already. 25 of them have been on the pitch at one time or another, yet we still seem to be at least two if not three players short of a decent 11.....


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 11, 2020, 18:55:11 pm
Please explain how Thomas is to blame for the teams recent poor performances when he has provided an adequate budget. KC and his team chose the players and the method to play!
Please explain adequate?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 11, 2020, 21:31:16 pm
It's early in the season, we've had a high turnover of players (again) and we're adapting to a higher division, so I think KC deserves time to get us going in the right direction. All the talk of us being big, direct, set piece heavy, loading balls into the box, we didn't really see any of that on Saturday and on Tuesday we played some good football. Maybe he's trying to change the style a bit. I don't care what style we play as long as it's effective and brings some excitement. We seem stuck between being direct and playing a bit and it leads to us being neither. I think we will get better and have some potentially good players on board that need moulding into a team. But it's a tough division with big clubs so it was always going to be difficult.
Keep the faith.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 12, 2020, 04:38:26 am
Please explain adequate?
An increase on the budget that was enough to get us out of League 2 and keeps us trading as a football club!

Your alternative plan please from the realistic real world is?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 12, 2020, 06:20:27 am
I’m having a dejavu. Panic ye not, give it a week or so and we’ll tonk a few sides and both Curlio and the squad will be the best thing since sliced bread. That is until we take another couple of hammerings and then we’ll be back to being a crock of sh1te obviously? I like those rare moments when we are in those fleeting transitional periods where we are in between the two. You know, the ones where there is no chance of Keith either getting the sack or being poached by Brentford? You have to be quick though, as it lasts about as long as one of my hard ons?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on October 12, 2020, 07:26:56 am
It is becoming increasingly apparent that the loss of Oliver was a real blow .
Curle hasn’t replaced him but has continued to play the same way.
Smith was never going to be the answer.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 12, 2020, 08:33:06 am
With this squad I can’t see where the next win will come, some of the blame lies with Thomas but KC has to take his fair share.

It seems your only interest is in blaming people and you talk as if we're already relegated. This comment seems even more out of place when players from this squad won a match 5-0 less than a week ago. I'm not saying things are great, as I've indicated on other threads, but your comments are way OTT.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 12, 2020, 09:19:57 am
It seems your only interest is in blaming people and you talk as if we're already relegated. This comment seems even more out of place when players from this squad won a match 5-0 less than a week ago. I'm not saying things are great, as I've indicated on other threads, but your comments are way OTT.
;D We won 5-0 against Southampton U23s are you for real?
Have you actually watched the games?
We have no pattern of play, we can’t string more than a couple of passes together, even the route on hoof ball isn’t working because we don’t have a target man anymore, Smith isn’t going to cut it at this level.
On a positive note if we sign a quality target man loan and and a good Center half we might have half a chance of staying up, otherwise no chance.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: cobbler151 on October 12, 2020, 10:18:18 am
;D We won 5-0 against Southampton U23s are you for real?
Have you actually watched the games?
We have no pattern of play, we can’t string more than a couple of passes together, even the route on hoof ball isn’t working because we don’t have a target man anymore, Smith isn’t going to cut it at this level.
On a positive note if we sign a quality target man loan and and a good Center half we might have half a chance of staying up, otherwise no chance.


Agree with this to a degree.
Its also important Curle to know his best  team and I think it is a 4-2-3-1. Watson and Missoulo need to be protecting our defense.
Marshall needs to be one of first players on team sheet as he will without a doubt create chances. Hes technically our best and most experienced player, baffles me hes behind players like Hoskins.

Smith I'm afraid needs to look at his doorman licence and Curle needs to adapt quickly


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 12, 2020, 11:04:20 am

Agree with this to a degree.
Its also important Curle to know his best  team and I think it is a 4-2-3-1. Watson and Missoulo need to be protecting our defense.
Marshall needs to be one of first players on team sheet as he will without a doubt create chances. Hes technically our best and most experienced player, baffles me hes behind players like Hoskins.

Smith I'm afraid needs to look at his doorman licence and Curle needs to adapt quickly

Wise words Mr151.
I didn’t like Missalou but he puts himself about and stops the opposition from playing so I’d probably start him.
Up front we still look desperately short of quality.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 12, 2020, 11:13:01 am
An increase on the budget that was enough to get us out of League 2 and keeps us trading as a football club!

Your alternative plan please from the realistic real world is?
OK here’s an example for you of why I think this mess is also the responsibility of the ego laden Thomas, Oliver who scored again on Saturday, left because we didn’t offer him enough £ for him to make a decision straight after the play off win, this gave other clubs the opportunity to sign him, this was down to wages as was Turnbull’s decision to leave who by the way is light years ahead of any of our current back three.
We are now left with 6 strikers with maybe one of them good enough (Rose).


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 12, 2020, 11:23:09 am
OK here’s an example for you of why I think this mess is also the responsibility of the ego laden Thomas, Oliver who scored again on Saturday, left because we didn’t offer him enough £ for him to make a decision straight after the play off win, this gave other clubs the opportunity to sign him, this was down to wages as was Turnbull’s decision to leave who by the way is light years ahead of any of our current back three.
We are now left with 6 strikers with maybe one of them good enough (Rose).

I asked for your alternative plan and you say spend extra of KT and DB's money, amazing!!!
It is so easy sitting behind a keyboard and spend other peoples money!

I say the budget has increased, so it is up to KC to plan where to spend the money and take responsibility.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on October 12, 2020, 11:58:59 am
Not arguing for or against Smith but he does win plenty of aerial balls, the problem being that we only win a small % of the second balls. Given good quality crosses he will probably score more goals than Oliver who scored his first league goal on saturday in 5 games (equates to 9 a season if he plays all games, he only scored 4 in 30 appearances for us). I was not unduly bothered when he left as I was hoping we would sign a similar player offering a greater goal threat.
I am not sure why people are now clammering for Joe Nuttalls inclusion as in 55 appearances for Blackburn and Blackpool he only scored 6 goals, an even worse record than Oliver and we have only seen him for a few minutes. The last three games he has not been in the 18 and there has been no mention of him being injured which appears rather strange.
It will not matter who plays up front if we continue to create so few chances for them and do not improve our crossing.
Of equal concern is that we cannot continue to concede 2 goals a game most of which are coming from defensive lapses rather than good play by the opposition.
It is early season and like last season we have started slowly. Most expected it to be a season in which the objective was to secure enough points to stay up. KC and his team turned it around last year and can do it again.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on October 12, 2020, 12:30:40 pm
I think supporters are due an up date on Nuttall .
Is he still with us or what ?
Why don’t the media ask these questions .


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on October 12, 2020, 12:35:14 pm
I think supporters are due an up date on Nuttall .
Is he still with us or what ?
Why don’t the media ask these questions .

Keith mentioned a player was suffering from illness, he's probably the player in question.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Carton Lid on October 12, 2020, 14:12:46 pm
OK here’s an example for you of why I think this mess is also the responsibility of the ego laden Thomas, Oliver who scored again on Saturday, left because we didn’t offer him enough £ for him to make a decision straight after the play off win, this gave other clubs the opportunity to sign him
I would imagine that either our offer was very poor or Gillingham's offer was ridiculously high. Oliver, as I understand it, lives in Sheffield which is just about commutable from Northampton,  you can't commute from Sheffield to Gillingham, so midweek accommodation and disruption to his home life also had to be taken into account.
Basically, I think it would have to have been a much bigger offer by Gillingham because of the extra hassle for Oliver.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Cordwainer2 on October 12, 2020, 14:50:58 pm
OK, Oliver was outstanding in the play offs but in lots of other games he was very ordinary. He was not a youngster and his previous record was ordinary as well. Perhaps he one of those hot and cold players? I wonder if that's why he wasn't offered a better contract?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 12, 2020, 15:47:06 pm
KT is releasing a statement later. As far as I am aware, it's nothing to do with Curle. But he will be acknowledging his part in the global COVID pandemic. The forest and bush fires in the U.S. and Australia. The increase in rioting in a number of cities. Global warming. The sub prime mortgage scandal. Melting of the polar ice caps and subsequent rising of the seas. His involvement in the voting scandal surrounding Trumps appointment. And many many more. It's about time he took account for his crass disregard for every fcuking thing that goes wrong.

Also.. I'm pretty sure his eyebrows meet...



Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on October 12, 2020, 15:58:01 pm
KT is releasing a statement later. As far as I am aware, it's nothing to do with Curle. But he will be acknowledging his part in the global COVID pandemic. The forest and bush fires in the U.S. and Australia. The increase in rioting in a number of cities. Global warming. The sub prime mortgage scandal. Melting of the polar ice caps and subsequent rising of the seas. His involvement in the voting scandal surrounding Trumps appointment. And many many more. It's about time he took account for his crass disregard for every fcuking thing that goes wrong.

Also.. I'm pretty sure his eyebrows meet...



The eyebrows comment? was that you thinking aloud while you make KT's puppet for spitting image?! ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Coolcat on October 12, 2020, 16:10:16 pm
KT is releasing a statement later. As far as I am aware, it's nothing to do with Curle. But he will be acknowledging his part in the global COVID pandemic. The forest and bush fires in the U.S. and Australia. The increase in rioting in a number of cities. Global warming. The sub prime mortgage scandal. Melting of the polar ice caps and subsequent rising of the seas. His involvement in the voting scandal surrounding Trumps appointment. And many many more. It's about time he took account for his crass disregard for every fcuking thing that goes wrong.

Also.. I'm pretty sure his eyebrows meet...


This is interesting.
So if Curle is given the sack, who next?


 ;)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 12, 2020, 16:33:24 pm
Graham Alexander incoming.......


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 12, 2020, 17:40:17 pm
This is interesting.
So if Curle is given the sack, who next?


 ;)

Wilder might be available soon if Sheffield Utd supporters are similar to ours.  ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 12, 2020, 18:42:36 pm
;D We won 5-0 against Southampton U23s are you for real?
Have you actually watched the games?
We have no pattern of play, we can’t string more than a couple of passes together, even the route on hoof ball isn’t working because we don’t have a target man anymore, Smith isn’t going to cut it at this level.
On a positive note if we sign a quality target man loan and and a good Center half we might have half a chance of staying up, otherwise no chance.

Yes, I've seen most of our games, and yes, I consider 5-0 against a premier league U23 side to be a good result. Having said that I agree re Smith and regarding the failure of our tactics in general at the moment, but you're assuming the problem is that we haven't got the players, whereas KC might still be looking for the best way to use them. Some of our new signings have only played 2-3 games (or less!). Why are you presuming that Ashley-Seal or Nuttall can't be the striker we need? We haven't seen enough of either of them to be sure. I think most of our signings could be good enough, if we play to a system that suits them, or if KC can make them play his way. It's not going to be easy this season though.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 12, 2020, 19:12:08 pm
Yes, I've seen most of our games, and yes, I consider 5-0 against a premier league U23 side to be a good result. Having said that I agree re Smith and regarding the failure of our tactics in general at the moment, but you're assuming the problem is that we haven't got the players, whereas KC might still be looking for the best way to use them. Some of our new signings have only played 2-3 games (or less!). Why are you presuming that Ashley-Seal or Nuttall can't be the striker we need? We haven't seen enough of either of them to be sure. I think most of our signings could be good enough, if we play to a system that suits them, or if KC can make them play his way. It's not going to be easy this season though.


Just bloody allow our players to play!!

I found Darren Ferguson's post match comments really interesting. Posh, the away team, worked out our weaknesses beforehand and exploited them, ie he said we were strong in the middle but knew they would have joy out wide. He was also surprised that we man-marked Szmodics......as that allowed him to take his marker for a walk and open up other space.
By man-marking for example, we as the home side went out to negate what we saw as the strengths of the opponent first and foremost. Playing our own style and being on the front foot is not often the way we go out and play, far too often more worried about the opposition rather than trusting in our own (players) ability to impose themselves on the game.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on October 12, 2020, 19:20:50 pm
KC has often said you negate the other teams strengths which allows you to impose your own game. Now we have moved up a division this is proving more difficult.
Talking of managers being more worried what the opposition could do to us immediately make JFH spring to mind who was the worst.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 12, 2020, 19:44:16 pm
KC has often said you negate the other teams strengths which allows you to impose your own game. Now we have moved up a division this is proving more difficult.
Talking of managers being more worried what the opposition could do to us immediately make JFH spring to mind who was the worst.

Totally agree-IMPOSE rather than NEGATE as your priority!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 12, 2020, 22:07:56 pm
OK here’s an example for you of why I think this mess is also the responsibility of the ego laden Thomas, Oliver who scored again on Saturday, left because we didn’t offer him enough £ for him to make a decision straight after the play off win, this gave other clubs the opportunity to sign him, this was down to wages as was Turnbull’s decision to leave who by the way is light years ahead of any of our current back three.
We are now left with 6 strikers with maybe one of them good enough (Rose).


I think Chuck looks very promising? Perhaps Benny too?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 13, 2020, 07:48:29 am
I think Chuck looks very promising? Perhaps Benny too?
I agree Evers, unfortunately we kick the ball aimlessly forward which doesn’t exactly showcase their talent.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 13, 2020, 07:52:25 am
I asked for your alternative plan and you say spend extra of KT and DB's money, amazing!!!
It is so easy sitting behind a keyboard and spend other peoples money!

I say the budget has increased, so it is up to KC to plan where to spend the money and take responsibility.
You say the budget has increased, that’s just a guess, I would say it’s very similar to last season, the squad isn’t a good as last season and in a higher league.
For what it’s worth I think this is probably the strongest League one I can remember with some serious ex prem teams.
KC has got his work cut out, one things for sure if he wants to play front foot football he needs a target man pronto.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Saint Cobbler on October 13, 2020, 16:15:45 pm
'There's enough in the changing room to continue our improvement'. I suggest we ask Plymuff to set up a net between the lockers on Saturday.  ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 14, 2020, 14:40:36 pm
'There's enough in the changing room to continue our improvement'. I suggest we ask Plymuff to set up a net between the lockers on Saturday.  ::) ::) ::)
I’ve got a very bad feeling about Saturday.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 14, 2020, 19:15:40 pm
I’ve got a very bad feeling about Saturday.

No surprises there  ::)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 16, 2020, 10:09:57 am
No surprises there  ::)
You can’t possibly think we will win?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 16, 2020, 12:46:41 pm
You can’t possibly think we will win?

Hope, but not necessarily think... ;)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on October 16, 2020, 13:51:01 pm
You can’t possibly think we will win?

It's 50/50 like all games ;)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 16, 2020, 19:57:06 pm
It's 50/50 like all games ;)
Jesus you’ll get me gambling again with thoughts like that  ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 17, 2020, 16:48:35 pm
Football is a results industry when judging managers, that is why I praise KC for getting promotion, even though I thought the standard of football was very poor! Morton and the last two games saved him.

Using those rules this season is not acceptable. The same poor standard of football and NOT the results.

KC insists of nullifying the opposition instead of imposing our game on the opponents! Hence our possesion is always less than 50%!

Our only win was when playing 4 at the back, coincidence? Add Adams and Marshall infront of the defence to create shooting opportunities then we might have a chance.

Over to KC.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on October 17, 2020, 17:19:24 pm
Football is a results industry when judging managers, that is why I praise KC for getting promotion, even though I thought the standard of football was very poor! Morton and the last two games saved him.

Using those rules this season is not acceptable. The same poor standard of football and NOT the results.

KC insists of nullifying the opposition instead of imposing our game on the opponents! Hence our possesion is always less than 50%!

Our only win was when playing 4 at the back, coincidence? Add Adams and Marshall infront of the defence to create shooting opportunities then we might have a chance.

Over to KC.

When KC looks at this thread I'm sure he'll take your advice  ::)

I always find in funny when people say "over to KC" or "over to KT"  ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Coolcat on October 17, 2020, 17:26:18 pm
Whatever KC's fleeting success in the playoffs, the guy is damaging to the point, irreparably, our repretation if we ever had it as a footballing side...change tactics...or get rid!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 17, 2020, 17:46:44 pm
When KC looks at this thread I'm sure he'll take your advice  ::)

I always find in funny when people say "over to KC" or "over to KT"  ;D
Our influence is NIL, so it is only KC who can improve the current situation and therefore be judged on the results!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on October 17, 2020, 18:06:56 pm
Our influence is NIL, so it is only KC who can improve the current situation and therefore be judged on the results!

I think we know that, it just the way you and others emphasize the point.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 17, 2020, 18:21:41 pm
Whatever KC's fleeting success in the playoffs, the guy is damaging to the point, irreparably, our repretation if we ever had it as a footballing side...change tactics...or get rid!


Thought he did change his tactics today? Just not quite good enough to come away with a  draw and maybe unluckily not to do so! Unlike you to throw in the towel?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BMON on October 17, 2020, 18:46:35 pm
Whatever KC's fleeting success in the playoffs, the guy is damaging to the point, irreparably, our repretation if we ever had it as a footballing side...change tactics...or get rid!


Footballing side we been that possibly twice in the last 40 years(Car ish/Wilder).
we have never had a mid-field.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Mysterious Curle on October 17, 2020, 20:01:50 pm
I think Chuck looks very promising? Perhaps Benny too?

Is this the same Benny that I’ve been watching?

Wouldn’t look out of place playing alongside Richards at St Ives.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 17, 2020, 20:40:36 pm
Is this the same Benny that I’ve been watching?

Wouldn’t look out of place playing alongside Richards at St Ives.


Did say 'Maybe' - ?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on October 18, 2020, 06:21:51 am
I’m yet to be convinced on either Calub or Seal. Neither have scored in a League game yet. Some signs they may come good but is having an 18 year old from the Youth Team playing up front indicative of how weak we are?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on October 18, 2020, 07:11:15 am
I very much doubt we will get rid of the manager this season after he was given a two year contract .
Coaching methods that belong on the history channel didn’t really work last season but we had the characters in the changing room to galvanise a play off win . Many of those have gone and we now look like a bunch of teenagers trying to act hard on our skate boards with our hoodies on , only for the big lads to turn up telling us to go home for our tea .
Curle is a bit of a laughing stock in this league I’m afraid


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 18, 2020, 08:14:42 am
I think some people need to take a deep breath, change into some dry knickers and generally calm down a bit.

We're 6 games into a new season at a higher level and haven't had the best of starts. The squad looks very different from last year and is going to take time to gel. I'm not impressed with a few of the new players so far, but others are showing potential and if we can get a few more players firing on all cylinders then that might make up for some of the inadequacies elsewhere on the pitch.

I think this is quite likely to happen because, as much as I didn't want Curle and would happily have binned him around the middle of last season, I think he's proven himself capable of getting the best out of his players, but with so many new players he can't be expected to have got them all where he wants them to be. We haven't been signing finished articles because, frankly, if they were finished articles we wouldn't have been able to sign them.

To put it into some perspective, we're 2 and 3 points respectively behind two of the sides that came down from the Championship last season. It can be a challenge to adapt to a new level. Yes, sometimes teams hit the ground running and if that happens then great. If it doesn't, hitting the panic button straight away isn't the answer.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Dan on October 18, 2020, 08:39:12 am
I don't actually think people are overreacting to just the start to this season.

Go back to Port Vale at home on the 8th of Feb. We've played 16 games in that time and the record (including play offs) is 5 wins, 1 draw and 10 losses. If he genuinely isn't under any pressure, then that shows how little interest the owners have on the footballing side.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Welly Cobb on October 18, 2020, 08:50:15 am
I think winning a promotion may have smoothed over the years form to be honest. He achieved more than expected last year, so he get's at least til January. Anything less that makes us an absolute joke.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on October 18, 2020, 08:51:16 am
KC won’t be sacked no matter what imo...

No match day income for the forseable & no fans to boo after every defeat makes the decision a non starter...

Pay offs needed for KC & all his back room team...

As usual we’ve fvcked up with the contracts offered to KC and his staff...
Should always have been either a 1 year or rolling contract yet we offer a two year deal  ::)

Just gotta hope he somehow turns it around...


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 18, 2020, 08:53:08 am
I don't actually think people are overreacting to just the start to this season.

Go back to Port Vale at home on the 8th of Feb. We've played 16 games in that time and the record (including play offs) is 5 wins, 1 draw and 10 losses. If he genuinely isn't under any pressure, then that shows how little interest the owners have on the footballing side.
Nail on the head Dan, the owners have little to no interest in the football side of things, name me ONE player who is an upgrade on last season?
Swindon is a massive 6 pointer they haven’t had the best start either, we need to win this as we have some really tough games coming up.
The abject failure of Kelvin Thomas to invest in one or two league one standard players is the reason we are in the bottom 4.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3086 on October 18, 2020, 08:55:14 am
I think some people need to take a deep breath, change into some dry knickers and generally calm down a bit.

We're 6 games into a new season at a higher level and haven't had the best of starts. The squad looks very different from last year and is going to take time to gel. I'm not impressed with a few of the new players so far, but others are showing potential and if we can get a few more players firing on all cylinders then that might make up for some of the inadequacies elsewhere on the pitch.

I think this is quite likely to happen because, as much as I didn't want Curle and would happily have binned him around the middle of last season, I think he's proven himself capable of getting the best out of his players, but with so many new players he can't be expected to have got them all where he wants them to be. We haven't been signing finished articles because, frankly, if they were finished articles we wouldn't have been able to sign them.

To put it into some perspective, we're 2 and 3 points respectively behind two of the sides that came down from the Championship last season. It can be a challenge to adapt to a new level. Yes, sometimes teams hit the ground running and if that happens then great. If it doesn't, hitting the panic button straight away isn't the answer.

Sorry, but the argument 'time to gel' doesn't wash with me. Every team in the league could use that argument and if the manager thought it would be an issue he should change the team gradually. Time and again we do this, we create a competent team and then when quality is most required as the level changes we completely dismantle it. A team that creates momentum through promotion should continue to thrive with a few tweaks not with wholesale butchering. The players that remain should be the best players not the weakest.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 18, 2020, 08:57:54 am
 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 18, 2020, 09:13:12 am
Sorry, but the argument 'time to gel' doesn't wash with me. Every team in the league could use that argument and if the manager thought it would be an issue he should change the team gradually. Time and again we do this, we create a competent team and then when quality is most required as the level changes we completely dismantle it. A team that creates momentum through promotion should continue to thrive with a few tweaks not with wholesale butchering. The players that remain should be the best players not the weakest.

Except we have lost our entire defence and the spine of the team, and I doubt that's true of many other teams. I agree we're a weaker team than last year but the loanees going back is beyond our control, Goode leaving was good business, McCormack I'm sure we'd all have liked to keep but the fact he got injured straight away at Southend suggests it was probably the right decision to let him go. I'd have liked Turnbull and Oliver to have stayed, but I'm not privy to what was going on behind the scenes on this.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 18, 2020, 09:24:41 am
Except we have lost our entire defence and the spine of the team, and I doubt that's true of many other teams. I agree we're a weaker team than last year but the loanees going back is beyond our control, Goode leaving was good business, McCormack I'm sure we'd all have liked to keep but the fact he got injured straight away at Southend suggests it was probably the right decision to let him go. I'd have liked Turnbull and Oliver to have stayed, but I'm not privy to what was going on behind the scenes on this.
I think what was going on behind the scenes was KT pulling the plug on KC.
This team would struggle in L2.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Carton Lid on October 18, 2020, 09:36:26 am
KC won’t be sacked no matter what imo...
Pay offs needed for KC & all his back room team...
As usual we’ve fvcked up with the contracts offered to KC and his staff...
Should always have been either a 1 year or rolling contract yet we offer a two year deal  ::)

I remember saying this the middle of last season, that we should never give a manager more than a 1 year rolling contract. If they are useless it doesn't cost as much to sack them, if they are brilliant they will go anyhow.
  I also remember getting shot down on here for saying that  ;)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 18, 2020, 09:57:08 am
Sorry, but the argument 'time to gel' doesn't wash with me. Every team in the league could use that argument and if the manager thought it would be an issue he should change the team gradually. Time and again we do this, we create a competent team and then when quality is most required as the level changes we completely dismantle it. A team that creates momentum through promotion should continue to thrive with a few tweaks not with wholesale butchering. The players that remain should be the best players not the weakest.

Most of that is factually incorrect and ignores what what actually happened. NTFC did not dismantle the playoff side it unraveled on its own! Wholesale butchering - OTT are you ok?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Dan on October 18, 2020, 10:00:55 am
Nail on the head Dan, the owners have little to no interest in the football side of things, name me ONE player who is an upgrade on last season?
Swindon is a massive 6 pointer they haven’t had the best start either, we need to win this as we have some really tough games coming up.
The abject failure of Kelvin Thomas to invest in one or two league one standard players is the reason we are in the bottom 4.

I was really disappointed at his public support behind Project Big Picture. That was the sort of thing Cardoza would have done.

I remember saying this the middle of last season, that we should never give a manager more than a 1 year rolling contract. If they are useless it doesn't cost as much to sack them, if they are brilliant they will go anyhow.
  I also remember getting shot down on here for saying that  ;)

Fully agree on this about rolling contracts.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 18, 2020, 10:02:28 am
I remember saying this the middle of last season, that we should never give a manager more than a 1 year rolling contract. If they are useless it doesn't cost as much to sack them, if they are brilliant they will go anyhow.
  I also remember getting shot down on here for saying that  ;)

Brilliant comments and cleverly put! Be prepared to be shot down again!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 18, 2020, 10:25:37 am
Nail on the head Dan, the owners have little to no interest in the football side of things, name me ONE player who is an upgrade on last season?
Swindon is a massive 6 pointer they haven’t had the best start either, we need to win this as we have some really tough games coming up.
The abject failure of Kelvin Thomas to invest in one or two league one standard players is the reason we are in the bottom 4.

Arnold/Mitchell, Rose, Sowerby, Mills, Bernard, Bolger(similar to  Turnbull), Racic probably when he plays in proper position! and Chuck.  Just my opinion!

In Bono Vince


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3086 on October 18, 2020, 11:46:43 am
Arnold/Mitchell, Rose, Sowerby, Mills, Bernard, Bolger(similar to  Turnbull), Racic probably when he plays in proper position! and Chuck.  Just my opinion!

In Bono Vince

You have got it so wrong yet again everblite. Bono is in U2.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 18, 2020, 12:54:32 pm
You have got it so wrong yet again everblite. Bono is in U2.

Latin was never your strong point  'el Politico. Who is Bono? ::)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 18, 2020, 15:47:05 pm
Arnold/Mitchell, Rose, Sowerby, Mills, Bernard, Bolger(similar to  Turnbull), Racic probably when he plays in proper position! and Chuck.  Just my opinion!

In Bono Vince
Bolger is an absolute donkey compared to Turnbull IMO Evers old chum
Disputatio stercora.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 18, 2020, 17:09:09 pm
Bolger is an absolute donkey compared to Turnbull IMO Evers old chum
Disputatio stercora.

So was Turnbull for a time!

Surprised at you failing the old school motto 'non deficere'.

 typical Campbell College Belfast Old Boy - Daddy loaded? ;)................. 8)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Wattie on October 18, 2020, 18:25:36 pm
I think some people need to take a deep breath, change into some dry knickers and generally calm down a bit.

We're 6 games into a new season at a higher level and haven't had the best of starts. The squad looks very different from last year and is going to take time to gel. I'm not impressed with a few of the new players so far, but others are showing potential and if we can get a few more players firing on all cylinders then that might make up for some of the inadequacies elsewhere on the pitch.

I think this is quite likely to happen because, as much as I didn't want Curle and would happily have binned him around the middle of last season, I think he's proven himself capable of getting the best out of his players, but with so many new players he can't be expected to have got them all where he wants them to be. We haven't been signing finished articles because, frankly, if they were finished articles we wouldn't have been able to sign them.

To put it into some perspective, we're 2 and 3 points respectively behind two of the sides that came down from the Championship last season. It can be a challenge to adapt to a new level. Yes, sometimes teams hit the ground running and if that happens then great. If it doesn't, hitting the panic button straight away isn't the answer.

Agreed


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 18, 2020, 19:09:14 pm
Agreed

Yes good post from BON - pretty wise too 8)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 19, 2020, 08:03:29 am
I remember saying this the middle of last season, that we should never give a manager more than a 1 year rolling contract. If they are useless it doesn't cost as much to sack them, if they are brilliant they will go anyhow.
  I also remember getting shot down on here for saying that  ;)

But is this realistic? Will any managers with any kind of track record be willing to accept that? Probably only if it becomes the norm. Maybe with COVID the market will change, but there's a good chance that a deal of that kind wasn't attractive enough to guarantee keeping KC and we definitely needed to do that this Summer, knowing that we'd be losing some players. Players move from one club to another for a longer contract, so why should we expect managers to be different?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Carton Lid on October 19, 2020, 08:41:37 am
But is this realistic? Will any managers with any kind of track record be willing to accept that? Probably only if it becomes the norm. Maybe with COVID the market will change, but there's a good chance that a deal of that kind wasn't attractive enough to guarantee keeping KC and we definitely needed to do that this Summer, knowing that we'd be losing some players. Players move from one club to another for a longer contract, so why should we expect managers to be different?
Of course its realistic, but we gave KC a 2 year contract when he first came to us and he was an out of work manager of 15 years with no promotions  and had spent the majority of time in League 2. There are hundreds of would be managers who would accept a 1 year rolling contract at a club like NTFC so if KC didn't want it, move on, its not Jurgen Klopp we're talking about.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 19, 2020, 09:11:09 am
Of course its realistic, but we gave KC a 2 year contract when he first came to us and he was an out of work manager of 15 years with no promotions  and had spent the majority of time in League 2. There are hundreds of would be managers who would accept a 1 year rolling contract at a club like NTFC so if KC didn't want it, move on, its not Jurgen Klopp we're talking about.

But are any of them the right fit for us though? Since Wilder left we've had Page, Edinburgh, Hasselbaink and Austin, all of which have been useless for us. I'm not saying they are all necessarily bad managers, they just didn't fit in at the Cobblers. Going back further, history tells us that Gary Johnston is a good lower division manager, but he was dire for us. Absolutely dire. And repugnant to boot.

Like his style or not, Curle has so far bought us a good degree of success. People have been critical of KT's appointments in the past, and rightly so if you are judging them on results. If he's not generally very good at picking managers then is it really a good idea to throw the baby out with the bathwater after half a dozen questionable matches this season? By luck or by judgement, KT has appointed a manager who has thus far done well for us. We need to stick with Curle for now. If things aren't looking better by Christmas then I may have changed my view, but for now I still think he's the right man for us at this point in time.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 19, 2020, 11:21:33 am
One thing recent history has taught us is that the single biggest attribute in the managerial role at this or probably any level Is recruitment?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: threeinabed on October 19, 2020, 11:40:33 am
One thing recent history has taught us is that the single biggest attribute in the managerial role at this or probably any level Is recruitment?

his best attribute is his verbal bulls***.

sells ideas to players and fans.

doesnt deliver.

fraud.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 19, 2020, 11:56:11 am
Of course its realistic, but we gave KC a 2 year contract when he first came to us and he was an out of work manager of 15 years with no promotions  and had spent the majority of time in League 2. There are hundreds of would be managers who would accept a 1 year rolling contract at a club like NTFC so if KC didn't want it, move on, its not Jurgen Klopp we're talking about.
Agree entirely with this...


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 19, 2020, 12:47:28 pm
his best attribute is his verbal bulls***.

sells ideas to players and fans.

doesnt deliver.

fraud.


I really don't get this type of abuse assuming it is aimed at KC or even KT. Against all the odds KC gets us into L1 whilst KT appears to have stabilized the Financial boat by resisting excessive demands for expensive players/fees/contracts. Its comments like this which might bring any Forum into a dangerous situation with Litigation experts eager to take advantage of rash comments.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on October 19, 2020, 13:00:14 pm
We should keep Keith as manager.
There wasn’t the finance available to compete at this level and he had to offer decent targets a low basic wage with add ons.
Good players won’t sign those sort of contracts and signed elsewhere.

Under the current ownership we can’t aspire to be anything more than a league two club with a half built ground whose fan base apathetically tow the party line of being thankful of having a club to support.

That’s all well and good but don’t expect it to be a competitive league one outfit as new owners with more financial clout are needed if that is to become a reality....

Please don’t shout me down on this point as the chairman himself pointed this out the last time we were in this division.
There is no future for NTFC as anything other than a league two club at this moment in time and anyone thinking we can survive at league one level is sadly deluded.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: CobblerForever on October 19, 2020, 13:00:27 pm
Agree entirely with this...

Doesn't it also depend on;

1. The actual rate of pay and associated costs.
2. Your actual analysis of the individual and what his terms are.
3. The very specific terms of the very specific contract.
4. The availability of an alternative of equal quality prepared to work for a lower grade of contract.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Carton Lid on October 19, 2020, 13:04:16 pm
But are any of them the right fit for us though? Since Wilder left we've had Page, Edinburgh, Hasselbaink and Austin, all of which have been useless for us. I'm not saying they are all necessarily bad managers, they just didn't fit in at the Cobblers. Going back further, history tells us that Gary Johnston is a good lower division manager, but he was dire for us. Absolutely dire. And repugnant to boot.

Like his style or not, Curle has so far bought us a good degree of success. People have been critical of KT's appointments in the past, and rightly so if you are judging them on results. If he's not generally very good at picking managers then is it really a good idea to throw the baby out with the bathwater after half a dozen questionable matches this season? By luck or by judgement, KT has appointed a manager who has thus far done well for us. We need to stick with Curle for now. If things aren't looking better by Christmas then I may have changed my view, but for now I still think he's the right man for us at this point in time.
I'm not saying we sack KC, the point I was making was I wouldn't have given him a 2 year contract when he arrived and not another 2 years extension. I would ALWAYS have our managers on a 1 year rolling contract for the reasons I stated and if said manager turns it down, move on, because he obviously doesn't think he's going to be good enough, just making sure he gets a good pay off when he fails.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 19, 2020, 13:19:26 pm
Of course its realistic, but we gave KC a 2 year contract when he first came to us and he was an out of work manager of 15 years with no promotions  and had spent the majority of time in League 2. There are hundreds of would be managers who would accept a 1 year rolling contract at a club like NTFC so if KC didn't want it, move on, its not Jurgen Klopp we're talking about.

Bit hypothetical Liddo. True KT took a risk with a two year contract in appointing KC but the risk proved successful. You talk of hundreds of would be managers who would happily accept a 1 year rolling contract; not to sure of some of the quality you might attract. For instance please nominate 20 prospective candidates who might fulfill your criteria. Then we can discus/select those worth a punt. When signing a two year contract targets could be identified which if not met said contract might be null and void? What would be a terrible blow if KC did a CW and jumped ship. The repercussions of this would be disasterous as proved fairly recently.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: CobblerForever on October 19, 2020, 13:26:36 pm
his best attribute is his verbal bulls***.

sells ideas to players and fans.

doesnt deliver.

fraud.


I'd say his achievements at NTFC are (to date);

 - winning promotion having almost completely turned the playing staff round.
 - specifically giving a significant boost to the careers of Goode, Wharton, Morton, Oliver and Turnbull.
 - the inspired signing of McCormack.
 - probably doing it all within the budget and possibly even exceeding it in terms of Net Cashflow.
 - very specifically the transfer fee achieved from the sale of Goode.
 - the inspired leadership from Covid to the play-off victory.

I think he's earned the right to improve things this season especially in these challenging, uncertain times and within what appears to be a tight and probably relatively uncompetitive budget for the level.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 19, 2020, 13:33:08 pm
I'd say his achievements at NTFC are (to date);

 - winning promotion having almost completely turned the playing staff round.
 - specifically giving a significant boost to the careers of Goode, Wharton, Morton, Oliver and Turnbull.
 - the inspired signing of McCormack.
 - probably doing it all within the budget and possibly even exceeding it in terms of Net Cashflow.
 - very specifically the transfer fee achieved from the sale of Goode.
 - the inspired leadership from Covid to the play-off victory.

I think he's earned the right to improve things this season especially in these challenging, uncertain times and within what appears to be a tight and probably relatively uncompetitive budget for the level.

Precisely this, and I say that as someone who wasn't hugely impressed by the appointment of Curle and as someone who dislikes his playing style (except in the play-offs where we played at such a level we elevated our brand of hoofball thuggery into an art form!). I initially found his rhetoric pretty grinding too, but to be honest I've warmed to him in that respect.

As you say, he's earned the right to plenty of time to get things right this year.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 19, 2020, 13:35:35 pm
I'm not saying we sack KC, the point I was making was I wouldn't have given him a 2 year contract when he arrived and not another 2 years extension. I would ALWAYS have our managers on a 1 year rolling contract for the reasons I stated and if said manager turns it down, move on, because he obviously doesn't think he's going to be good enough, just making sure he gets a good pay off when he fails.

Yeah, sorry, I didn't think you were; I just used your point saying there were plenty of other managers out there that we could have got as a starting point. I think there are a few people who are getting a bit trigger happy already though, and it's that attitude that I was talking about.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 19, 2020, 13:40:34 pm
Doesn't it also depend on;

1. The actual rate of pay and associated costs.
2. Your actual analysis of the individual and what his terms are.
3. The very specific terms of the very specific contract.
4. The availability of an alternative of equal quality prepared to work for a lower grade of contract.

Yep


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 19, 2020, 13:47:44 pm
We should keep Keith as manager.
There wasn’t the finance available to compete at this level and he had to offer decent targets a low basic wage with add ons.
Good players won’t sign those sort of contracts and signed elsewhere.

Under the current ownership we can’t aspire to be anything more than a league two club with a half built ground whose fan base apathetically tow the party line of being thankful of having a club to support.

That’s all well and good but don’t expect it to be a competitive league one outfit as new owners with more financial clout are needed if that is to become a reality....

Please don’t shout me down on this point as the chairman himself pointed this out the last time we were in this division.
There is no future for NTFC as anything other than a league two club at this moment in time and anyone thinking we can survive at league one level is sadly deluded.

You truly are an inspirational chap...


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 19, 2020, 13:50:02 pm
We should keep Keith as manager.
There wasn’t the finance available to compete at this level and he had to offer decent targets a low basic wage with add ons.
Good players won’t sign those sort of contracts and signed elsewhere.

Under the current ownership we can’t aspire to be anything more than a league two club with a half built ground whose fan base apathetically tow the party line of being thankful of having a club to support.

That’s all well and good but don’t expect it to be a competitive league one outfit as new owners with more financial clout are needed if that is to become a reality....

Please don’t shout me down on this point as the chairman himself pointed this out the last time we were in this division.
There is no future for NTFC as anything other than a league two club at this moment in time and anyone thinking we can survive at league one level is sadly deluded.

It would not surprise me in the least if KC achieved the target of keeping the Club in L1 - are you telling me that Stanley, Rochdale, Swindon, Burton for a start are more suitable to remain in L1?  Of course NTFC can remain in L1 subject to good L1 Management by all concerned. With the recent introduction of Salary Levels in the EFL establishes a much more level playing field. If we have a decent manager in place (which we have) and has approved his ability to manage (like) Clubs Carlisle/Mansfield  then we can make a go of it in L1. Were there is a will (collectively mind incl Fans) it is quite possible. Just take that support at Burton are you proposing that we cannot survive in L1?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 19, 2020, 13:52:22 pm
If you look at the history of NTFC going back as far as you can in living memory, statistically the next 2 to 3 managers will fail and fail huge. Despite this virtually all will seem decent when coming on board. I say statistically but I haven’t checked, memory tells me I don’t need to?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Turner Street Cobbler on October 19, 2020, 14:34:44 pm
I'd say his achievements at NTFC are (to date);

 - winning promotion having almost completely turned the playing staff round.
 - specifically giving a significant boost to the careers of Goode, Wharton, Morton, Oliver and Turnbull.
 - the inspired signing of McCormack.
 - probably doing it all within the budget and possibly even exceeding it in terms of Net Cashflow.
 - very specifically the transfer fee achieved from the sale of Goode.
 - the inspired leadership from Covid to the play-off victory.

I think he's earned the right to improve things this season especially in these challenging, uncertain times and within what appears to be a tight and probably relatively uncompetitive budget for the level.

Agree with the above but if we get relegated early on all of that bar the extra additional income will be forgotten by many and I suspect the board.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Carton Lid on October 19, 2020, 16:46:15 pm
Bit hypothetical Liddo. True KT took a risk with a two year contract in appointing KC but the risk proved successful. You talk of hundreds of would be managers who would happily accept a 1 year rolling contract; not to sure of some of the quality you might attract. For instance please nominate 20 prospective candidates who might fulfill your criteria. Then we can discus/select those worth a punt. When signing a two year contract targets could be identified which if not met said contract might be null and void? What would be a terrible blow if KC did a CW and jumped ship. The repercussions of this would be disasterous as proved fairly recently.
Now lets get a couple of things straight, you say "You talk of hundreds of would be managers" , nowhere have I said that. But there WOULD be "hundreds of managers" with the same record as KC had when he arrived, which was, worked as a manager, at reasonable sized clubs for 16 years without winning promotion. You talk about KC not jumping ship like CW, there were a couple of reason's that didn't happen, A - KC was almost 10 years older when he won promotion and B- No one came in for him


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 19, 2020, 19:37:17 pm
. But there WOULD be "hundreds of managers" with the same record as KC had when he arrived, which was, worked as a manager, at reasonable sized clubs for 16 years without winning promotion. You talk about KC not jumping ship like CW, there were a couple of reason's that didn't happen, A - KC was almost 10 years older when he won promotion and B- No one came in for him


 Liddo this is what you actually wrote :

There are hundreds of would be managers who would accept a 1 year rolling contract at a club like NTFC

So basically I simply asked you to clarify this by nominating 20 would be suitors!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 19, 2020, 20:24:02 pm

 Liddo this is what you actually wrote :

There are hundreds of would be managers who would accept a 1 year rolling contract at a club like NTFC

So basically I simply asked you to clarify this by nominating 20 would be suitors!
To be fair Evers it is correct, I’ll start the ball rolling and between us we’ll crack through this no problem? Dean Austin, JFH, Rob Page, Andy Boothroyd, Gary Johnson, Terry Fenwick, Colin Calderwood definitely. There’s 7, not totally convinced it would solve the problems but apparently that’s of minor importance? Let’s pay off KCs contract, take the next upcoming managerial superstar, dump half the squad in youth team training and pay what it takes to bring in the best free agents money can buy? Don’t worry about the 10s of thousands the club is haemorrhaging every week, the only thing that matters is appeasing fans mood swings and getting the club in the Championship. It is irrelevant that this strategy has failed countless times, if you sit a chimpanzee at a piano long enough it will eventually play a couple of bars of Mozart, everyone knows that? And at the end of the day it’s not our money so who cares, if it fails repeat until it works, simple?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Carton Lid on October 20, 2020, 09:10:28 am
All I said was I think we should give our managers a 1 year rolling contract not a 2 year contract. This must be the only place where a statement like that would start an argument of such ferocity, no wonder so few people post on here now  :(

 For you Evers, Graham Alexander, Nigel Clough, Paul Cook, Simon Grayson, Danny Cowley, Sol Campbell, Lee Johnson, Paul Heckingbottom, Nigel Adkins, Mick McCarthy, Paul Tisdale, Graeme Jones, Colin Calderwood, Alan Pardew, Dean Keates, John McGreal, Paul Hurst, Micky Mellon, Keith Hill & Michael Jolley.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 20, 2020, 09:53:26 am
All I said was I think we should give our managers a 1 year rolling contract not a 2 year contract. This must be the only place where a statement like that would start an argument of such ferocity, no wonder so few people post on here now  :(

 For you Evers, Graham Alexander, Nigel Clough, Paul Cook, Simon Grayson, Danny Cowley, Sol Campbell, Lee Johnson, Paul Heckingbottom, Nigel Adkins, Mick McCarthy, Paul Tisdale, Graeme Jones, Colin Calderwood, Alan Pardew , Dean Keates, John McGreal, Paul Hurst, Micky Mellon, Keith Hill & Michael Jolley.

Basically IMO you are a great Forum colleague but who am I to voice opinion. Please ignore ferocious opinion and fight like a tiger. Only those highlighted fall into shortlist!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on October 20, 2020, 10:30:01 am
All I said was I think we should give our managers a 1 year rolling contract not a 2 year contract. This must be the only place where a statement like that would start an argument of such ferocity, no wonder so few people post on here now  :(

 For you Evers, Graham Alexander, Nigel Clough, Paul Cook, Simon Grayson, Danny Cowley, Sol Campbell, Lee Johnson, Paul Heckingbottom, Nigel Adkins, Mick McCarthy, Paul Tisdale, Graeme Jones, Colin Calderwood, Alan Pardew, Dean Keates, John McGreal, Paul Hurst, Micky Mellon, Keith Hill & Michael Jolley.
Sol Campbell ? Lee Johnson  ?? Alan Pardew ???
Deary me .
I’d rather keep the Hoofmeister.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 20, 2020, 11:36:13 am
Sol Campbell ? Lee Johnson  ?? Alan Pardew ???
Deary me .
I’d rather keep the Hoofmeister.

Paul Cook? Paul Tisdale? Danny Cowley?
Get in there.
Bye bye Hoofmeister.
 ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 20, 2020, 12:00:08 pm
Paul Cook? Paul Tisdale? Danny Cowley?
Get in there.
Bye bye Hoofmeister.
 ;D

Cowley is the nearest thinking manager to KC methods. Just my view :'(


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Carton Lid on October 20, 2020, 12:06:40 pm
Sol Campbell ? Lee Johnson  ?? Alan Pardew ???
Deary me .
I’d rather keep the Hoofmeister.
Sol Campbell did a good job at Macc, Lee Johnson has done reasonably well where ever his been, but his Dad is a tw*t, Pardew would be good at the end of season dance  :)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 20, 2020, 12:37:16 pm
I'd argue that Sol did a good job at Macc, he walked before he was pushed...'amicably by mutual agreement'. 
He was on the verge of a mutiny.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on October 20, 2020, 13:14:16 pm
Sol Campbell did a good job at Macc, Lee Johnson has done reasonably well where ever his been, but his Dad is a tw*t, Pardew would be good at the end of season dance  :)
Three of the most arrogant n*bs in management I would say !
Don’t  get me wrong - I would love to see some of the others here


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on October 20, 2020, 13:20:17 pm
I thought this was an appreciation thread, not the next manager thread  ???


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 20, 2020, 13:30:51 pm
It beggars belief that we have a manager appreciation thread when the club sits in the bottom four AND on the back of four straight defeats soon to be five.
Only at the Wobblers.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest49 on October 20, 2020, 14:04:32 pm
To be fair Evers it is correct, I’ll start the ball rolling and between us we’ll crack through this no problem? Dean Austin, JFH, Rob Page, Andy Boothroyd, Gary Johnson, Terry Fenwick, Colin Calderwood definitely.

I see what you did there. Quite the rogues gallery. The only certainty is that managers are going to come and go. Curle and Calderwood at least have a 'P' next to their time here. One gave us 'men against girls' v Man Utd and another an embarrassment at Wembley, whilst everyone's favourite nicked a living for a while. The JFH/DA era was a disaster and as for Fenwick....
In nearly 40 years we've had Carr (which didn't end well) and the only real sustained success being Wilder, which would have no doubt ended in tears if he hadn't grabbed his golden opportunity before he'd even got off the double decker.
Someone rinsing out success at our club is rarer than rocking horse poop! Even more so for sustained success. Unless you are pushing 70 you won't remember 'real' success.

Personally there would be no value in parting with Curle, firstly after a promotion which earns additional goodwill. There's no doubt that the pressure is already mounting though if this runs continues for too long. Fingers crossed for a return to winning ways tonight.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2934 on October 21, 2020, 09:08:08 am
Lets face it this season was always going to be about survival in the league and I think KC has enough guile for us to avoid the drop although it wont always be pretty.

What I have found interesting so far being such a strong division this season, is the supposed favourites and big spenders in the division actually look quite ordinary, certainly they have some more quality in areas but they're not all that impressive. Certainly a gap that could be bridged given time.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on October 21, 2020, 16:00:13 pm
Last season KC very much told his players to get the ball forward as quickly as possible, either to Oliver or 'into good areas'.
So interesting to hear him say last night 'if you can't go forward take another touch'. Maybe the style of play is evolving, we certain seemed to surprise Swindon by playing shorter passing football first half. In the second half we went longer to Smith and they coped easily with that.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 21, 2020, 16:55:18 pm
KC has been labeled a hoof ball merchant. Lets look at the facts for a minute.

Carlisle - I recall vividly that when he came here, we were told to expect gung ho football, where defending was not the priority, scoring goals was.
Mansfield - I certainly do not recall them being hoof ball when they fluked beating us in the playoffs all those years ago. They played good football.

He arrived here, on the back of a manager trying to play total football. We were 22nd. He went direct, got us moving up the table. He then tried to change the tactics (for a brief time) - remember that spell when the keeper started magically rolling the ball out to defenders? Lasted about 2 or 3 games. We lost them. So he went back to basics, hoof ball. We started getting better results.

Then last season, we mainly hoofed it. During a period where he had to sell all of his 'footballers' or technicians as he calls them...Crookes, KVV to name but two...and he dragged us into the playoffs with cheap hoofball signings (Oliver, loans in the main along with solid no nonsense players like McCormack, Goode). We then got promoted, and again...his budget was cut. This time because of COVID.

So step forward into this season. In a higher division, forced to sell his best players/unable to afford 'technicians' to replace them. Smith (cheap hoofball signing last season who couldn't get into the team) becomes his number 1 striker. Other creative signings were risks, but could pay off in time. In the main. He started them off playing it simple, simple instructions. 4 points from the first 2 matches. So he carries that tactic on...

...we lose to two sides...Hull and Posh...who totally outplayed us. Bristol Rovers we were holding our own until a stupid foul (pen) and then a sending off...we were then totally outplayed. Next up was Plymouth...we stopped hoofing it. He'd come to the conclusion quickly that hoofball to Smith was not the way forward, and coupled with the surprise factor of how good some of the cheap technicians were (Korboa, Benny in particular), he decided to 'trust them more'.

Then last night arrived. Some great football, first half. Second half, Id put down to Swindon improving significantly, and *probably* (ipad viewing is hard to see the tactical picture) a tactical change which pinned our wing backs back and made us light in midfield. We got a bit swamped. But at 2-0 it was up to Swindon to come at us...and our confidence levels (4 defeats on the bounce in the league) were obviously not gonna be great. So we had to dig in.

I predicted on twitter after the Bristol game (and I believe I did so on here) that he'd mix it up more the following game. Was told by everyone who responded to my tweet not to build my hopes up (nice way of putting it!). I had every confidence that KC would adapt and evolve his tactics because he simply had to. He's not as 'stupid' as a lot of you's lot think he is. He's cautious because thats his style, Austin was the opposite. Remember Walsall?! But he's also not as stubbornly cautious like say Atkins or Calderwood were and I mean that with the greatest respect to those two managers. I think he has a good balance.

Anyway. This season is gonna be a tough one. That is obvious, and was obvious before a ball was kicked. Going into a higher division with budget cuts (justifiable) is a tough ask. I am still optimistic that with a perfect storm we can have a really good season. Korboa, Benny and Chuck between them could produce two amazing forwards at this level. *Could*. They have to work hard, be lucky and stay fit, and rely on better service for that to happen. The centre backs will need to 'do a Langmead' and quickly evolve into more competent players but lets give them time...Racic and the Horse have never played at this level. Bolger is showing what it said on the tin, but the 'class' was always meant to come from the other two, in particular with Racic. The Horse struggled to adapt to our new passing game last night, making two big errors in efforts to retain possession. Those mistakes need to be quickly eliminated. Mitchell needs to show he's a brilliant young keeper, like he's meant to be. He was good last night, hopefully thats the start. Arnold on the other hand is another 'says it on the tin' player...31 years old, capable at this level but will make mistakes. Mitchells emergence is part of 'the perfect storm' requirements...

Then in midfield. Missalou has shown immense promise, Sowerby is starting to get going. But lets not forget McWilliams. The latter is crucial to the 'perfect storm'...he has the potential. Oh yeah, Pollock. Lets not forget about him.

In summary, KC knows what he's doing. And thats why I started this thread. Chill eyt, put your code in each week, crack open a few beers (if you drink them) and try and enjoy the ride. We will probably have more crap games than good games at the minute but thats where we are at with the development of what is again a brand new team (pretty much). We might do really well, we might not. Chances are it will be a struggle. But you never know. Have a good evening!  :)



Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3338 on October 21, 2020, 18:16:52 pm
To paraphrase Caderwood again last night, Curle is as progressive and forward thinking as anything in the Prem.
Believe that if you want to.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Zen Master on October 21, 2020, 18:26:41 pm
I heard that too and wondered if I heard that correctly.

Overall if this time last year you’d said we’d win promotion, sell a player for over a million I’d ask you what tine did you start drinking.

If at the same time you said it’d be a real struggle to make the leap up but you’d compete against teams like Hull, Sunderland, Ipswich, Charlton and Wigan (posh 🤢) then I’d have bit your hand off and accept that K C has a tough job on his hands.
What will be will be and hopefully we have enough to be better than 4 others in the division just a shame how it’s happening with Covid.

UTC


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on October 21, 2020, 18:57:16 pm
Calderwood said that when his sides played Mansfield he was not sure what to expect as KC would invariably spring a surprise. He also said not many managers take his attacking approach to games and be willing to match up his defense 3 to 3 or 2 to 2 with the opposition attack.
We started last night with 3 defenders as both wing backs were attacking players probably because we were at home, more likely to see Harriman and Mills at wing back for away games. I think it is a refreshing approach as I remember some past managers starting with 6 defenders by employing some of them as wingers.
Even if we are in the bottom 4 after a run of bad results I do not see KT changing manager as he made the comment when we reached the play offs that we were the outsiders for promotion so we surpassed his expectations. KC will be here next season whichever division we are in and deserves to be given what he has achieved so far.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on October 21, 2020, 21:01:56 pm
KC has been labeled a hoof ball merchant. Lets look at the facts for a minute.

Carlisle - I recall vividly that when he came here, we were told to expect gung ho football, where defending was not the priority, scoring goals was.
Mansfield - I certainly do not recall them being hoof ball when they fluked beating us in the playoffs all those years ago. They played good football.

He arrived here, on the back of a manager trying to play total football. We were 22nd. He went direct, got us moving up the table. He then tried to change the tactics (for a brief time) - remember that spell when the keeper started magically rolling the ball out to defenders? Lasted about 2 or 3 games. We lost them. So he went back to basics, hoof ball. We started getting better results.

Then last season, we mainly hoofed it. During a period where he had to sell all of his 'footballers' or technicians as he calls them...Crookes, KVV to name but two...and he dragged us into the playoffs with cheap hoofball signings (Oliver, loans in the main along with solid no nonsense players like McCormack, Goode). We then got promoted, and again...his budget was cut. This time because of COVID.

So step forward into this season. In a higher division, forced to sell his best players/unable to afford 'technicians' to replace them. Smith (cheap hoofball signing last season who couldn't get into the team) becomes his number 1 striker. Other creative signings were risks, but could pay off in time. In the main. He started them off playing it simple, simple instructions. 4 points from the first 2 matches. So he carries that tactic on...

...we lose to two sides...Hull and Posh...who totally outplayed us. Bristol Rovers we were holding our own until a stupid foul (pen) and then a sending off...we were then totally outplayed. Next up was Plymouth...we stopped hoofing it. He'd come to the conclusion quickly that hoofball to Smith was not the way forward, and coupled with the surprise factor of how good some of the cheap technicians were (Korboa, Benny in particular), he decided to 'trust them more'.

Then last night arrived. Some great football, first half. Second half, Id put down to Swindon improving significantly, and *probably* (ipad viewing is hard to see the tactical picture) a tactical change which pinned our wing backs back and made us light in midfield. We got a bit swamped. But at 2-0 it was up to Swindon to come at us...and our confidence levels (4 defeats on the bounce in the league) were obviously not gonna be great. So we had to dig in.

I predicted on twitter after the Bristol game (and I believe I did so on here) that he'd mix it up more the following game. Was told by everyone who responded to my tweet not to build my hopes up (nice way of putting it!). I had every confidence that KC would adapt and evolve his tactics because he simply had to. He's not as 'stupid' as a lot of you's lot think he is. He's cautious because thats his style, Austin was the opposite. Remember Walsall?! But he's also not as stubbornly cautious like say Atkins or Calderwood were and I mean that with the greatest respect to those two managers. I think he has a good balance.

Anyway. This season is gonna be a tough one. That is obvious, and was obvious before a ball was kicked. Going into a higher division with budget cuts (justifiable) is a tough ask. I am still optimistic that with a perfect storm we can have a really good season. Korboa, Benny and Chuck between them could produce two amazing forwards at this level. *Could*. They have to work hard, be lucky and stay fit, and rely on better service for that to happen. The centre backs will need to 'do a Langmead' and quickly evolve into more competent players but lets give them time...Racic and the Horse have never played at this level. Bolger is showing what it said on the tin, but the 'class' was always meant to come from the other two, in particular with Racic. The Horse struggled to adapt to our new passing game last night, making two big errors in efforts to retain possession. Those mistakes need to be quickly eliminated. Mitchell needs to show he's a brilliant young keeper, like he's meant to be. He was good last night, hopefully thats the start. Arnold on the other hand is another 'says it on the tin' player...31 years old, capable at this level but will make mistakes. Mitchells emergence is part of 'the perfect storm' requirements...

Then in midfield. Missalou has shown immense promise, Sowerby is starting to get going. But lets not forget McWilliams. The latter is crucial to the 'perfect storm'...he has the potential. Oh yeah, Pollock. Lets not forget about him.

In summary, KC knows what he's doing. And thats why I started this thread. Chill eyt, put your code in each week, crack open a few beers (if you drink them) and try and enjoy the ride. We will probably have more crap games than good games at the minute but thats where we are at with the development of what is again a brand new team (pretty much). We might do really well, we might not. Chances are it will be a struggle. But you never know. Have a good evening!  :)



Well reasoned post.
We are a small league 1 club. We should enjoy the games we win without getting carried away and not get too down when we lose.
Some of the rants on here are emotionally driven because football is an emotional game. So let's just share our opinions without going completely over the top, at the end of the day we all want the same thing, a successful team.
UTC.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 22, 2020, 07:15:44 am
Cant win on here, on the one hand there's a load of moaning because we can't attract the best players on the short term small money contracts we're offering? The next minute its a one year take it or leave it rolling contract for the manager? What are we aiming for, to be big spending high rollers bringing in the cream, or miserly skin flints happy with the dregs, I'm lost?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 22, 2020, 09:37:52 am
Cant win on here, on the one hand there's a load of moaning because we can't attract the best players on the short term small money contracts we're offering? The next minute its a one year take it or leave it rolling contract for the manager? What are we aiming for, to be big spending high rollers bringing in the cream, or miserly skin flints happy with the dregs, I'm lost?
It’s not a matter of attracting the best players just a couple of L1 standard quality, one Center back and one Center forward, I see Omar Bogle has signed for Charlton, let’s see on Saturday what we could of had.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 23, 2020, 11:35:37 am
Cant win on here

 ;D Just abandon your logic at the door. I find it helps.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2934 on October 23, 2020, 12:40:48 pm
;D Just abandon your logic at the door. 

..and don your tin hat. Tin foil for a few contributors.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on October 27, 2020, 21:03:37 pm
Sorry Keith , you have been found out this season .
The bluff and the 1992 tactics were just about excusable last season but division one has made you look a clown .
Recruitment of players is appearing to look poor and retention of some players mistaken .
We got away with it last season and look like a second division side this season .


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 21:32:40 pm
I'm saying it. Curle Out.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on October 27, 2020, 21:52:07 pm
I think that’s a bit tough on Keith
He’s shopping in the bargain basement.
Despite selling our first million pound player it was clear early on that Keith had a piss poor budget to work with....
Having to try to sign players on incentivised contracts with a lower weekly wage (bet the players are feeling really incentivised right now)
How many other clubs did this??
Certainly not gillingham who have a bottom four budget according to Steve Evans ,oh no , they signed a player from us .....
Exactly what did fans expect
I’ve banged the drum before but Covid or no Covid our current owners cannot by their own admission afford to run us as a league one club as they haven’t the finance.
Twice they have tried and twice they have failed.

We desperately need new owners to ever be able to operate at league one level and that’s not happening any time soon....
The owners want to profit from surrounding land and there’s no way they are going anywhere and so the fate of the club and the fact they can’t afford to run it at league one level is secondary behind the all important money made from land.

I often get stick but I didn’t like the way things were failing to progress three years back and maintained I wouldn’t set foot in sixfields until the redevelopment was finished as I believed quite rightly that things were not going to plan....

Fast forward three years and despite all the years of pass the buck and the he said/she said we still have no redevelopment.

People can give spin and sound bites on a regular basis but the reality is that there is nothing being built.

The club is in limbo , there is no redevelopment and the owners can’t sustain a league one club.

That’s it in a nutshell.

Now I’m not saying Keith’s recruitment has been good but I believe he’s doing the job with one hand tied behind his back....

This may be contentious but regards style of play I feel that if Keith had been given a budget of league one standard and had basically upgraded the players like for like with players of the ilk of Hilton at Luton or Wharton at Blackburn being signed full time and other upgrades the style wouldn’t be an issue.
It wasn’t for Wycombe.....

I feel we should stick with Keith as he is doing the best he can under the constraints he’s working too.
No manager will do better at this club at this level under the current regime.

We should just accept the facts of the situation and enjoy being a league one club in name at least....

I think the no crowds at games is a big help to KT at the moment because on the back of an out of their depth team and no building work occurring for yet another year (and before anyone says Covid who honestly thinks work would have started without the pandemic)?

I like Keith Curle and whilst he isn’t blameless I don’t think he is the overriding issue behind our footballing inabilities.

It’ll soon be four seasons that I haven’t attended sixfields due to my self imposed exile and I fear it will be many more before the ground is finished (or indeed started ) and many ensuing excuses and rounds of the blame game before I next visit sixfields and I bet anyone it won’t be to watch league one football unless the club is under new ownership.

Sorry to be negative but it’s my viewpoint based on the facts and nearly forty years of supporting most as a season ticket holder.

Let’s back Keith he’s pushing water uphill.
I bet he’s as gutted as anyone that he hasn’t been able to build the team he wanted.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Welly Cobb on October 27, 2020, 21:53:27 pm
We've got 6 teams in this league with lower attendances than us, and we haven't got owners who are have the resources to financial dope us like Peterborough have in the middle of a pandemic which has left us with next to no income, we were the bookies second favourites for relegation... were people expected us to be getting results against Charlton and Portsmouth? As frustrating as is to watch, I think expectations are out of wack here a bit.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on October 27, 2020, 22:12:43 pm
This is a pointless thread as there is no chance of KC going.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 27, 2020, 22:24:37 pm
We've got 6 teams in this league with lower attendances than us, and we haven't got owners who are have the resources to financial dope us like Peterborough have in the middle of a pandemic which has left us with next to no income, we were the bookies second favourites for relegation... were people expected us to be getting results against Charlton and Portsmouth? As frustrating as is to watch, I think expectations are out of wack here a bit.
What winning games in the same league as ourselves? WTF are you talking about, financial dope?
KT isn’t interested in the football or it’s supporters, he treats them with utter contempt, it’s all about the land and making a big fat profit out of our club, money that should be reinvested into the club and town, not a chancers trousers.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 27, 2020, 22:34:52 pm
From the official site, KC's post match comments included this....

“We are trying to build an identity in what is a very difficult division and I think the fans understand where we are at and what we are about.”

Anyone understand exactly where we are at and what our identity is?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 27, 2020, 22:57:52 pm
This is a pointless thread as there is no chance of KC going.

You seemed to have missed the point.

I doubt most on here post in anticipation of effecting change. I’m assuming they do so for pure debate and an exchange of thoughts and ideas.



Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 27, 2020, 23:18:16 pm
You seemed to have missed the point.

I doubt most on here post in anticipation of effecting change. I’m assuming they do so for pure debate and an exchange of thoughts and ideas.



 'I’m assuming they do so for pure debate and an exchange of thoughts and ideas'. .......if only as pretty sure 3 or 4 or not of this world. Admire the subtle sarcasm!



Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 28, 2020, 05:27:43 am
Shoemaker- You state 'we desperately need new owners' BUT not  a word on who or how!

New owners have had chance after chance to buy the club. Are you in a very very small queue to buy the club, or are you another person spending other peoples money?

We are reliant on a man from America and a man from Dubai to give us a form of stability in these turbulent times.
Anybody was able to use the land to benefit the club but NOBODY stepped forward apart from KT and DB.

We are not like Bury, Bolton, Macclesfield and Wigan (plus many more to follow).

Obviously I do not agree with all KT's actions or lack of them but I live in the real world with the facts we are dealt with!

I do want a statement of intent and timescale from KT and NBC so fans of NTFC are not left sitting on their hands for much longer..........they deserve that!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 28, 2020, 05:48:14 am

That’s it in a nutshell.

If just for once it was with you  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on October 28, 2020, 06:29:25 am
No offence to Shoey but that post sums up everything that’s wrong with football in the lower divisions? “The current owners can’t afford to run a league one club”. Genuinely no offence but the naivety is stunning, no one can afford to run a league one club! If the meaning of “affording” is some billionaire pouring money down a bottomless pit until they get bored, that is not affording. That is being the plaything of somebody with more money and ego than sense. If football is to survive it has to be financially sustainable Covid or not. Demanding we blow a fortune on player contracts to sustain a falsely elevated position is just b0llocks, and blowing even more on a white elephant of a stand when we don’t fill the ground in the best of times is absolute insanity. We were losing a million a season on average before Covid and that is unsustainable, to repeat unsustainable and its only a matter of time before we and all the other pi55 poor clubs get found out. It’s no use hoping that when an owner leaves there will be another rich tw@t waiting in the wings to pick up the tab, that is the mindset of the Neolithic cnnts that got us to this position in the first place? So if even treading water is unsustainable and football is unaffordable what’s the answer? Well how’s this for an idea, rather than relying on handouts and prayers how about some strategies to generate income and become self sustainable? Off the top of my head, instead of demanding a few million for a pointless stand how about having a quality boutique hotel built next to the ground as compensation instead? One with a fitness centre attached, a place for visiting teams and supporters to stay and can generate income for the club year round, placed into trust so it can’t be easily sold? What about having fast food franchises built into the ground that can be owned and managed by the club selling stand side on match days and street side on others? All things that when profitable can be secured against development with minimal risk? As I said I’m making this stuff up off the top of my head, but any of these is better than building a pointless stand and chucking big contracts at players in the hope of maintaining a false position and spiralling even further into financial oblivion? Anyway the point is that whether these ideas are workable or not football has to come up with innovative ways of generating income otherwise all that’s happening is a delay to the inevitable? However, it would be helpful if people stopped coming on here spouting spend for no return sh1te like its the answer because as previously stated it’s complete b0llocks and will be nothing more than another nail in the coffin, no offence?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 28, 2020, 07:02:19 am
I agree that any investment should be to make the club sustainable.

Yes build executive boxes but only (like other grounds) when they are convertable to bedrooms in an accompanying hotel and Confrence Centre. This would generate income all day, every day, through the year, year on year!
Sixfields is just 5 minutes from 3 junctions of the M1 so has great appeal for National and local companies for meetings, conferences and exhibitions.

The current situation does not work!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Zen Master on October 28, 2020, 07:53:21 am
A hotel was part of the D.C. original plans and at one point was meant to be located at the bottom end of the West Stand Car Park. This 100 bed hotel was given outline planning permission in Dec 2014.

Northampton has lower amounts of hotel stock compared to other towns and cities. Whilst covid has a significant impact at this time I would agree this would make a decent option on generating revenue if done corrrectly.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on October 28, 2020, 08:03:10 am
Mansfield are looking Keith .
You did well there and it’s nearer home . If you resign we don’t need to pay you off .


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Battery Man on October 28, 2020, 09:13:21 am
I feel we should give Keith this full season, it's his first time in this league and he needs time to develop his style of playing at this level. I think he will keep us up this season and then next will be a time to push on.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 28, 2020, 09:24:03 am
I feel we should give Keith this full season, it's his first time in this league and he needs time to develop his style of playing at this level. I think he will keep us up this season and then next will be a time to push on.
Interesting, serious question mate, what have you seen that makes you think we can stay up?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on October 28, 2020, 09:31:34 am
I feel we should give Keith this full season, it's his first time in this league and he needs time to develop his style of playing at this level. I think he will keep us up this season and then next will be a time to push on.

It's not his first time in this league. He managed Notts County in league one about 8 years ago.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on October 28, 2020, 09:40:40 am
Interesting, serious question mate, what have you seen that makes you think we can stay up?


I'll try to answer your question. We need to take points off teams who will be middle to lower table, teams like AFC Wimbledon, Shrewsbury & Swindon. We won't get much from the teams in the top ten. That means the next few games will be important to register some points and gain some confidence.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Battery Man on October 28, 2020, 10:05:58 am
Interesting, serious question mate, what have you seen that makes you think we can stay up?


Not an awful lot so far, however, at this point last season I hadn't either. I just feel that whenever you hear the players being interviewed or chat from around the team they always seem positive and as though they are working for KC. That goes a long way and to be honest I think this season is just about surviving in league 1 and developing a team for next season. Lets be fair we fluked getting here, the squad is nowhere near as strong as we would like but a team who are all in it together does work. I think Atkins showed us that as did Wilder when they weren't getting paid.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on October 28, 2020, 11:17:14 am
Shoemaker- You state 'we desperately need new owners' BUT not  a word on who or how!

New owners have had chance after chance to buy the club. Are you in a very very small queue to buy the club, or are you another person spending other peoples money?

We are reliant on a man from America and a man from Dubai to give us a form of stability in these turbulent times.
Anybody was able to use the land to benefit the club but NOBODY stepped forward apart from KT and DB.

We are not like Bury, Bolton, Macclesfield and Wigan (plus many more to follow).

Obviously I do not agree with all KT's actions or lack of them but I live in the real world with the facts we are dealt with!

I do want a statement of intent and timescale from KT and NBC so fans of NTFC are not left sitting on their hands for much longer..........they deserve that!
May I just take issue with a couple of points.

The club has to be on the market and for a realistic price for it to be seen as a sound investment
KT has said he’s always open to offers but there’s open and OPEN....
Example my house is worth 250,000 and I have several offers but demand 500,000 for it...
Result no sale.....

You say anybody was able to buy the land to benefit the club but only KT and DB did.....
Incorrect....
David and Anthony Cardoza purchased the club and proclaimed that we would have a top notch redeveloped stadium and any profit from land sale/redevelopment would benefit the club....
It didn’t
KT and DB are making exactly the same noises and have so far achieved exactly the same as DC which is absolutely no start on a redeveloped stadium...
Both made promises,both have held endless meetings ,both have given numerous updates , both have given endless excuses , both have failed to deliver a redevelopment.

That is a fact that cannot be disputed.

Regards a statement of intent.

It would be interesting if someone with more time available and nous could find out how many times there have been statements over the DC and KT regimes claiming a redevelopment is close and progress is being made.
It really would be revealing...
Without looking let’s all have a guess and then someone in a weeks time can come up with the answer
Il start the ball rolling with 25......

Now we could soon hear another update but it’s just that... ANOTHER update....
It means nothing just like the previous ones down the years....
Until workmen start putting shovels in the ground then any spin is futile.

You are either redeveloping a stadium or you are not
AC/DC  :o didn’t and KT/DB haven’t.

Over the period of a decade nothing has been redeveloped
The saints have built a new stand...
Peterborough have built a new stand
Others such as Brentford have built completely new stadiums.

We have built nothing....
Ten years.

I honestly don’t have any optimism we will ever have a redevelopment and after ten years of the same old mutterings am I alone in this????

When we have a statement saying the project will start on xxx date il jump aboard the happy clappers ship but until then please let me show a small level of pessimism as regards the great sixfields redevelopment.

TA


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 28, 2020, 11:53:58 am
Ha Ha this defeat was mostly anticipated by many on here. Having suffered this particularly defeat the doom boys flood in with with ultra negative messages. Can you guys form a consortium buy the club and run it as you seem fit! Makes you wonder how we survived numerous wars with such a pathetic defeatist attitude. 


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 28, 2020, 12:39:16 pm
All those words Shoemaker and you have not even addressed my first line-' WHO or HOW!'..................only a history lesson we all know.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on October 28, 2020, 13:50:15 pm
I fully expect KC to be here for the remainder of his contract even if we are relegated. Whenever you change manager the new man inherits a squad of players most of which he wants to replace and typically it will take 3 transfer windows to do this.
People are complaining about the centre back signings not being up to those who played last season. However, we do not know if Goode, Turnbull and Wharton would have been any better as none were proven division 1 players. Oliver also cited as being a big miss but this is a player who many did want when he signed and only scored 4 goals in 30 games for us. If he had taken either of the golden opportunities he had in the first 10 minutes against Derby we would not have needed a replay and would have played Man Utd in the next round.
We are only 8 games into a 46 game season and there is plenty of time to turn it around as we did after a poor start last season.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on October 28, 2020, 14:18:13 pm
All those words Shoemaker and you have not even addressed my first line-' WHO or HOW!'..................only a history lesson we all know.

Kelvin has stated that there are always enquiries for the club....
That’s kelvins words not mine.
Ask him...
Ask him why he hasn’t sold the club
Ask him if he is valuing the club at an unacceptable price or if the offers were two bob....
He’ll be able to tell you....

You could ask him if one of the enquiries went on to purchase another club and has a much bigger playing budget than us.....

No point asking me
Ask the man who has been quoted on record as saying “there are always enquiries”

So I hope that helps dispel the idea that there are no potential buyers out there.
Only kelvin knows why he is unwilling to sell the club and whether his valuation of the club is realistic or not and thus hampering the chances of a sale.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on October 28, 2020, 14:39:03 pm
Using your analogy would you sell your house for £50K........Yes or No?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on October 28, 2020, 15:15:05 pm
Using your analogy would you sell your house for £50K........Yes or No?
Yes

Especially if the new owners paid the £450,000 pounds of debt I’d run up whilst I’d livid in it.

It’s more than likely they’d tell me to piss off as whatever debts I ran up whilst living there were my responsibility and should not be included in any sale....


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 28, 2020, 15:49:06 pm
I fully expect KC to be here for the remainder of his contract even if we are relegated. Whenever you change manager the new man inherits a squad of players most of which he wants to replace and typically it will take 3 transfer windows to do this.
People are complaining about the centre back signings not being up to those who played last season. However, we do not know if Goode, Turnbull and Wharton would have been any better as none were proven division 1 players. Oliver also cited as being a big miss but this is a player who many did want when he signed and only scored 4 goals in 30 games for us. If he had taken either of the golden opportunities he had in the first 10 minutes against Derby we would not have needed a replay and would have played Man Utd in the next round.
We are only 8 games into a 46 game season and there is plenty of time to turn it around as we did after a poor start last season.
Goode and Wharton are playing in the Championship  ;D
Oliver has scored in L1 this season which is more than most of our “strikers”
You do come out with some right old bollox.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 28, 2020, 15:54:03 pm
Anybody capable of replying to shoemakers last 2/3 posts? Seem a bit odd to me!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on October 28, 2020, 17:21:19 pm
Kelvin has stated that there are always enquiries for the club....
That’s kelvins words not mine.
Ask him...
Ask him why he hasn’t sold the club
Ask him if he is valuing the club at an unacceptable price or if the offers were two bob....
He’ll be able to tell you....

You could ask him if one of the enquiries went on to purchase another club and has a much bigger playing budget than us.....

No point asking me
Ask the man who has been quoted on record as saying “there are always enquiries”

So I hope that helps dispel the idea that there are no potential buyers out there.
Only kelvin knows why he is unwilling to sell the club and whether his valuation of the club is realistic or not and thus hampering the chances of a sale.

Or, you could... Ask Him! Yourself.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on October 28, 2020, 17:23:59 pm
Goode and Wharton are playing in the Championship  ;D
Oliver has scored in L1 this season which is more than most of our “strikers”
You do come out with some right old bollox.

Well not totally correct Manny me ol' mucker. Goode & Wharton have mostly been bench warmers and even Oliver came on in the 90th minute last night.  


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on October 28, 2020, 18:21:47 pm
All those words Shoemaker and you have not even addressed my first line-' WHO or HOW!'..................only a history lesson we all know.


Does this still stand?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44223738

How about this from August last year.....two thirds of the way down the article.....

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2019/august/chairman_qanda_aug292019/



Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on October 28, 2020, 18:37:16 pm
Or, you could... Ask Him! Yourself.
I won’t be asking anything in truth I don’t want answers
I firmly believe actions speak louder than words.
We as fans have had 10 years of words
I’m not anti KT and il be the first to congratulate him when the job is done.
That’s the time for backslapping.
Il then look forward to returning to the stadium to watch games again.

In fairness the lack of any shovels in the ground has saved me the best part of a grand going to matches which I’ve managed to spend on more tangible long term items which I suppose I should be thankful for.

I’m saving again this season and who knows how long for so things aren’t all bad  ;)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on October 28, 2020, 19:49:23 pm
I won’t be asking anything in truth I don’t want answers
I firmly believe actions speak louder than words.
We as fans have had 10 years of words
I’m not anti KT and il be the first to congratulate him when the job is done.
That’s the time for backslapping.
Il then look forward to returning to the stadium to watch games again.

In fairness the lack of any shovels in the ground has saved me the best part of a grand going to matches which I’ve managed to spend on more tangible long term items which I suppose I should be thankful for.

I’m saving again this season and who knows how long for so things aren’t all bad  ;)

That's you sorted then! ;)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on October 28, 2020, 20:07:05 pm
Well Daddy Pig aka manwork "you do come out with some bollocks" right back at yer.
Stating that Wharton and Goode are playing in the championship is quite a stretch. Wharton so far has only made one 66th minute sub appearance. Goode started in his only game at Stoke and was promptly dropped and often has not been in the 18. After his single appearance at Stoke he was savaged on the Brentford forum with the general concensus that he is division 2 standard.
The prolific Oliver has scored one league goal and has also now been dropped to the bench.
Your reply to another of my posts "complete none sense". I would have thought that someone who claims to have a superior intellect should know how to spell nonsense but this is obviously something you do not possess as you would not need to litter your posts with profanities if you did.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 28, 2020, 22:12:02 pm
So they have both played in the championship this season, basic comprehension isn’t something you are familiar with is it?
I’ll try and dumb it down to your level, you stated that Goode, Turnbull and Wharton might not be good enough to play in League one yet two of them are playing in the level above, therefore there’s a good chance they would be good enough.
This is a classic example of you talking bollox.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on October 28, 2020, 22:35:47 pm
Mr.Curle is a very good manager.  Many teams wish they had him.  We are blessed.

You all want to dominate the world every minute.

Please, England is no longer Red on the map.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 28, 2020, 22:42:20 pm
I like KC and I liked the fact that he gave us an identity last season, which not always pretty on the eye, was a hard working, tough uncompromising side which created chances, scored goals and got enough wins to secure a play-off place followed by two outrageously brilliant performances to secure promotion.
This s season in a higher league full of good, big clubs with healthy budgets has seen us struggle to compete. We've shown flashes of good football but not enough sustained performances or leadership on the pitch to take games by the scruff of the neck. We have lost our identity and we have a soft touch at present which is not a KC trait. The signing of Alan Sheehan could be the catalyst that changes that. We are only 8 games in so plenty of time to turn it around, we just need to find the formula and stick to it. Don't panic.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 28, 2020, 23:41:12 pm
I like KC and I liked the fact that he gave us an identity last season, which not always pretty on the eye, was a hard working, tough uncompromising side which created chances, scored goals and got enough wins to secure a play-off place followed by two outrageously brilliant performances to secure promotion.
This s season in a higher league full of good, big clubs with healthy budgets has seen us struggle to compete. We've shown flashes of good football but not enough sustained performances or leadership on the pitch to take games by the scruff of the neck. We have lost our identity and we have a soft touch at present which is not a KC trait. The signing of Alan Sheehan could be the catalyst that changes that. We are only 8 games in so plenty of time to turn it around, we just need to find the formula and stick to it. Don't panic.

Absolutely - need a few more like you to post sane comments if only to shut the unbalanced few up 8)





Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on October 28, 2020, 23:50:32 pm
Absolutely - need a few more like you to post sane comments if only to shut the unbalanced few up 8)





+1


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on October 29, 2020, 08:19:07 am
Well Daddy Pig aka manwork "you do come out with some bollocks" right back at yer.
Stating that Wharton and Goode are playing in the championship is quite a stretch. Wharton so far has only made one 66th minute sub appearance. Goode started in his only game at Stoke and was promptly dropped and often has not been in the 18. After his single appearance at Stoke he was savaged on the Brentford forum with the general concensus that he is division 2 standard.
The prolific Oliver has scored one league goal and has also now been dropped to the bench.
Your reply to another of my posts "complete none sense". I would have thought that someone who claims to have a superior intellect should know how to spell nonsense but this is obviously something you do not possess as you would not need to litter your posts with profanities if you did.
Maybe the Brentford supporters would like their Championship standard Racic back and we will take division 2 standard Goode returning to us .
Then they might actually realise what division 2 standard is .


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 29, 2020, 09:28:21 am
I like KC and I liked the fact that he gave us an identity last season, which not always pretty on the eye, was a hard working, tough uncompromising side which created chances, scored goals and got enough wins to secure a play-off place followed by two outrageously brilliant performances to secure promotion.
This s season in a higher league full of good, big clubs with healthy budgets has seen us struggle to compete. We've shown flashes of good football but not enough sustained performances or leadership on the pitch to take games by the scruff of the neck. We have lost our identity and we have a soft touch at present which is not a KC trait. The signing of Alan Sheehan could be the catalyst that changes that. We are only 8 games in so plenty of time to turn it around, we just need to find the formula and stick to it. Don't panic.

Well said that man. If only the likes of Shoey & co could try to abide by the old "least said, soonest mended" route in their posts. 


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on October 29, 2020, 09:57:10 am
Well said that man. If only the likes of Shoey & co could try to abide by the old "least said, soonest mended" route in their posts. 

If only


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Charlatan on October 29, 2020, 11:48:13 am
I like KC and I liked the fact that he gave us an identity last season, which not always pretty on the eye, was a hard working, tough uncompromising side which created chances, scored goals and got enough wins to secure a play-off place followed by two outrageously brilliant performances to secure promotion.
This s season in a higher league full of good, big clubs with healthy budgets has seen us struggle to compete. We've shown flashes of good football but not enough sustained performances or leadership on the pitch to take games by the scruff of the neck. We have lost our identity and we have a soft touch at present which is not a KC trait. The signing of Alan Sheehan could be the catalyst that changes that. We are only 8 games in so plenty of time to turn it around, we just need to find the formula and stick to it. Don't panic.
My thoughts also Wadey. Good post Sir.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on October 29, 2020, 12:51:48 pm
Daddy Pig, I am sure you recognise when people are talking bollocks as you have it down to a fine art.
Because Goode played 1 game (and was immediately dropped) and Wharton has made 1 sub appearance of less than 1/2 hour does not make them championship quality although they have briefly appeared in it.Given time they may be good enough.
Using your premise this makes them championship players you can therefor argue that any player who appeared for us in division 2 was good enough to play in that division. Yet plenty who did play for us you referred to as not good enough and non-league at best.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 29, 2020, 14:52:12 pm
By that premise, all of our players currently are League One standard...


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: sixfields starling on October 29, 2020, 16:03:24 pm
I like KC and I liked the fact that he gave us an identity last season, which not always pretty on the eye, was a hard working, tough uncompromising side which created chances, scored goals and got enough wins to secure a play-off place followed by two outrageously brilliant performances to secure promotion.
This s season in a higher league full of good, big clubs with healthy budgets has seen us struggle to compete. We've shown flashes of good football but not enough sustained performances or leadership on the pitch to take games by the scruff of the neck. We have lost our identity and we have a soft touch at present which is not a KC trait. The signing of Alan Sheehan could be the catalyst that changes that. We are only 8 games in so plenty of time to turn it around, we just need to find the formula and stick to it. Don't panic.
Excellent post, people are going way overboard 8 games in. We all knew it was going to be difficult stepping up a league.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on October 29, 2020, 16:16:16 pm
Daddy Pig, I am sure you recognise when people are talking bollocks as you have it down to a fine art.
Because Goode played 1 game (and was immediately dropped) and Wharton has made 1 sub appearance of less than 1/2 hour does not make them championship quality although they have briefly appeared in it.Given time they may be good enough.
Using your premise this makes them championship players you can therefor argue that any player who appeared for us in division 2 was good enough to play in that division. Yet plenty who did play for us you referred to as not good enough and non-league at best.
Translation anybody?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on October 29, 2020, 19:54:26 pm
Are you really that thick?, what happened to your superior intellect?.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Dan on October 29, 2020, 20:22:22 pm
It is easy to say people are going over board as we have gone up a league. But they also forget that our form in 2020 as a whole has been poor and that includes league 2.....

November is huge for Curle. Few wins and things are much improved. Few early loses in the month and Kelvin has a decision to consider. Fingers crossed for the former.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on October 29, 2020, 20:43:17 pm
Dan agree, the game on Sat and through November are winnable and we need to be s3curing points in each of these games if our aspirations to remain in this league have any chance of materialising. I hope for the best on Sat


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on October 29, 2020, 21:09:56 pm
Horsham - I think you will be disappointed as I do not see us getting 15 points from the 5 games. That would give us 22 points from 14 games so almost halfway to safety from less than a third of the 46 games. I do agree that these fixtures represent a great opportunity and we need a decent haul of points from them.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: WadeyCobbler on October 31, 2020, 23:09:36 pm
A win at Wigan is exactly the sort of result we need this season to keep us above that line. That's 3 wins now all against the lower teams. Not great defensively again, but hopefully we'll gain confidence from seeing it out.
Big game on Tues night, another win needed. If we get it, the KC haters will stay quiet for a few more days.
All this re-enforces me not to panic and be too reactionary after any individual result.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on November 01, 2020, 12:22:19 pm
Are you really that thick?, what happened to your superior intellect?.
I’m not Dr Doolittle FFS, try forming a sentence that makes sense, I know you get all excited when you reply to me but take a few deep breaths before replying it might get your heart rate below 200.  ;D
Your fascination with me is not healthy but it does amuse me for a few seconds, I am even beginning to feel sorry for you.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on November 01, 2020, 12:30:51 pm
Daddy Pig you do not fascinate me at all. Strange you could not comprehend my post to which you refer as Deepcut Cobbler clearly had no problem with it and did not require a translation. Perhaps it is DC who has the superior intellect.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on November 01, 2020, 14:25:17 pm
Daddy Pig you do not fascinate me at all. Strange you could not comprehend my post to which you refer as Deepcut Cobbler clearly had no problem with it and did not require a translation. Perhaps it is DC who has the superior intellect.

Don't bring me into this, but I thought that your last suggestion is never in doubt anyway?  8)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3086 on November 01, 2020, 14:43:36 pm
Manwork04 v west stand oap score predictions?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on November 01, 2020, 21:16:25 pm
Manwork04 v west stand oap score predictions?

I like them both and have a gentleman's agreement with them. Both are treasures; its just that they are opposites ;D




Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3086 on November 02, 2020, 06:01:10 am
I like them both and have a gentleman's agreement with them. Both are treasures; its just that they are opposites ;D




Opposites attract.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2934 on November 03, 2020, 06:58:17 am
I like them both and have a gentleman's agreement with them.




Menage et trois? Doesn't bear thinking about.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on November 03, 2020, 08:13:20 am
Menage et trois? Doesn't bear thinking about.

Do you mind, I've just had my breakfast.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on November 03, 2020, 08:34:22 am
Menage et trois? Doesn't bear thinking about.

Evil to those who evil think - Edward 3rd. He was right too!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: WadeyCobbler on November 09, 2020, 21:35:48 pm
I've always been a KC backer but the defeat at Oxford City is undefendable. He got the team selection all wrong. Anyone who watched us tonigh for the first time since 'those two' playoff games will wonder what an earth has happened to us. No fight, no desire, no leadership, no shape, nothing. Just eleven randoms thrown on a pitch and told to get on with it. We've lost our identity that's for sure. I think he's stuck between two styles now and it's not working well in the league (although 4 points in the last 2 games suggested it was turning round), but we completely failed tonight.
It's how we react now that will go a long way to defining the season. He's got to earn his money this week. A win against Accy is needed.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Welly Cobb on November 09, 2020, 21:55:31 pm
I don't think we've played well with a back 5 in the League all season have we?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: NTFC Nut on November 09, 2020, 21:58:30 pm
This thread hasn't aged well.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on November 09, 2020, 22:02:05 pm
This thread hasn't aged well.

It's still only two months old ;D ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 09, 2020, 22:12:53 pm
I've always been a KC backer but the defeat at Oxford City is undefendable. He got the team selection all wrong. Anyone who watched us tonigh for the first time since 'those two' playoff games will wonder what an earth has happened to us. No fight, no desire, no leadership, no shape, nothing. Just eleven randoms thrown on a pitch and told to get on with it. We've lost our identity that's for sure. I think he's stuck between two styles now and it's not working well in the league (although 4 points in the last 2 games suggested it was turning round), but we completely failed tonight.
It's how we react now that will go a long way to defining the season. He's got to earn his money this week. A win against Accy is needed.

4points in the last two games granted......but non-league Chorley went to Wigan yesterday and came away with the same result as we did, so I don't know how much anyone can "big up" our win there, especially with what they are going through at the moment.
And then a goalless draw at home to a side who hadn't won an away league game for 14 months, and hadn't kept a clean sheet away from home since that game either....again, how can anyone "big up" that one, especially in light of the performance which was almost universally accepted as below par.

We've gained 4 points more thanks to the quality of the opposition than anything we did really, we tried our best to throw the Wigan game away too!

He should be earning his money every bloody week, and performances like tonight are more usual/the norm than performances like the two playoff games in my opinion.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on November 09, 2020, 22:31:39 pm
I've always been a KC backer but the defeat at Oxford City is undefendable. He got the team selection all wrong. Anyone who watched us tonigh for the first time since 'those two' playoff games will wonder what an earth has happened to us. No fight, no desire, no leadership, no shape, nothing. Just eleven randoms thrown on a pitch and told to get on with it. We've lost our identity that's for sure. I think he's stuck between two styles now and it's not working well in the league (although 4 points in the last 2 games suggested it was turning round), but we completely failed tonight.
It's how we react now that will go a long way to defining the season. He's got to earn his money this week. A win against Accy is needed.

Good old Wadey - how true tho’!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Macc Cobbler on November 09, 2020, 23:31:44 pm
We have a threadbare squad devoid of quality.
We live in unreal times, and I can understand why the club are not spending more on better players.
I think we should just be grateful we have a club to support
 


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3264 on November 10, 2020, 04:37:36 am
KC will  be judged by our league performance only.
Cup success is just a bonus BUT he got last night totally wrong BUT the players got it even more wrong!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on November 10, 2020, 07:04:17 am
We have a threadbare squad devoid of quality.
We live in unreal times, and I can understand why the club are not spending more on better players.
I think we should just be grateful we have a club to support
 

We have 32 “players” in our squad, hardly threadbare, nearly enough for 3 teams.
Although we have no more than a handful of L1 quality.
Why didn’t we have a squad of 25 but L1 standard.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: tcobb on November 10, 2020, 09:29:40 am
Macc Cobbler, why do we have a squad "devoid of quality " ?
NTFC are one of the few Clubs who have paid transfer fees for players,  so using Covid as a reason to be happy with the squad is a pointless argument.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Macc Cobbler on November 10, 2020, 18:09:52 pm
I would be surprised if we paid out lots of monies.
Also our wages bill, I imagine has reduced from last season.
Just look at Swindon, they lost key players over the summer and have not been able to replace them





Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on November 10, 2020, 18:31:17 pm
If we are sticking with KC for the season, you would hope that as KT offered him a new two year contract (rather than just a one year or rolling contract) that there is a relegation clause included enabling us to get rid if/when we go down...

I'm just so bored of the fayre on offer. Play a little football ffs!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on November 10, 2020, 18:33:45 pm
If we are sticking with KC for the season, you would hope that as KT offered him a new two year contract (rather than just a one year or rolling contract) that there is a relegation clause included enabling us to get rid if/when we go down...

I reckon KT was as shocked as the rest of us that we even went up  ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 10, 2020, 18:36:41 pm
I would be surprised if we paid out lots of monies.
Also our wages bill, I imagine has reduced from last season.
Just look at Swindon, they lost key players over the summer and have not been able to replace them





Yet they sit only two points below us with two games in hand?

They were so reliant on two loan players in Doyle and Yates who scored 38 goals between them......Doyle joined permanently in January on a contract until the end of the season, yet left when he was only offered a one year extension when Bolton offered a three year deal.

Filling the massive gap left by those two was always going to be a huge task........


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Coolcat on November 10, 2020, 18:46:01 pm
Furious Curle...I wanna play 3-5-2! ;)

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/furious-curle-admits-oxford-city-showed-more-hunger-and-desire-cobblers-suffer-fa-cup-calamity-3030505


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3086 on November 10, 2020, 19:27:55 pm
This has intrigued me over the last few days 'Ive got players knocking on my door and agents ringing me up saying they need an opportunity to showcase what they're all about' - so far as the players are concerned the showcasing happens in training surely, so that they can impress the manager to put them in the team? As for agents, is this really the sort of thing they do? Secondly, if this is the case then so what?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on November 10, 2020, 19:51:50 pm
This has intrigued me over the last few days 'Ive got players knocking on my door and agents ringing me up saying they need an opportunity to showcase what they're all about' - so far as the players are concerned the showcasing happens in training surely, so that they can impress the manager to put them in the team? As for agents, is this really the sort of thing they do? Secondly, if this is the case then so what?
There were some players that have been out the side and didn’t even get on the bench last night .
They must be absolutely useless to not get ahead of that bunch that were selected .


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on November 10, 2020, 21:19:40 pm
There were some players that have been out the side and didn’t even get on the bench last night .
They must be absolutely useless to not get ahead of that bunch that were selected .


anyone know what's happened to McWilliams??

As for Chris Lines.....the forgotten man!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on November 11, 2020, 05:22:56 am
Curle going on about the Players being fringe etc. Surely he signed Ashley-Seal, he has decided to introduce Caleb to the main squad, he took Rajic on loan, he signed Missolou, he signed Horsefall etc etc, they are his players! He spouts absolute b00llOcks sometimes. The one common denominator here for the poor performances last season and this is the Management Team! I accept the players didn’t perform but he has to share some responsibility


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Clarity on November 11, 2020, 08:17:49 am
To save people time, a quick appraisal of this thread. I think he's ****, no he's not as **** as i thought, hes quite good, oh not so good, he's getting **** again and yep I was right he's ****!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on November 11, 2020, 09:07:50 am
anyone know what's happened to McWilliams??

As for Chris Lines.....the forgotten man!

McWilliams is the sort of player that we could have done with in that game , as was Watson .
Oldfield must have looked at that team we put out and thought there are so many gaps to exploit here it’s unbelievable . Sure enough , they did and KC stood on and watched it all happen .
As for Chris lines - well he might as well go and self isolate for the rest of the season . Having said that , Curle could easily pick him for the next game after that shambles .


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on November 11, 2020, 12:15:04 pm
McWilliams is the sort of player that we could have done with in that game , as was Watson .
Oldfield must have looked at that team we put out and thought there are so many gaps to exploit here it’s unbelievable . Sure enough , they did and KC stood on and watched it all happen .
As for Chris lines - well he might as well go and self isolate for the rest of the season . Having said that , Curle could easily pick him for the next game after that shambles .
I honestly don’t think Curle has a clue who to pick apart from “super Sam”,with him as first name on the team sheet tells you all you need to know about the quality we have.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Coolcat on November 11, 2020, 12:20:41 pm
I've always been a KC backer but the defeat at Oxford City is undefendable. He got the team selection all wrong. Anyone who watched us tonigh for the first time since 'those two' playoff games will wonder what an earth has happened to us. No fight, no desire, no leadership, no shape, nothing. Just eleven randoms thrown on a pitch and told to get on with it. We've lost our identity that's for sure. I think he's stuck between two styles now and it's not working well in the league (although 4 points in the last 2 games suggested it was turning round), but we completely failed tonight.
It's how we react now that will go a long way to defining the season. He's got to earn his money this week. A win against Accy is needed.
It wasn't KC's fault. He said so...again! 


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on November 11, 2020, 13:33:13 pm
I honestly don’t think Curle has a clue who to pick apart from “super Sam”,with him as first name on the team sheet tells you all you need to know about the quality we have.


I agree, I think the squad's current size is a double-edged sword. After a bad loss like that KC has the numbers to make wholesale changes and replace mediocre players with ..... yep, mediocre players


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Larry on November 11, 2020, 18:27:45 pm
This thread hasn't aged well.

Is that Curle or fickle football fans?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on November 11, 2020, 19:24:38 pm
Is that Curle or fickle football fans?
Fickle  ;D I think if there were away fans at Oxford Curle would have been lynched.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: EB Claret on November 11, 2020, 19:40:22 pm
Fickle  ;D I think if there were away fans at Oxford Curle would have been lynched.

 ;D ;D
He may well have been parted from his 'Fundamentals'! ;)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on November 11, 2020, 20:00:20 pm
Cobblers fans.  You want:

A team win every game every year.

Hurrah!

Sack every manager of every team.  They all s***.



Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on November 11, 2020, 20:12:41 pm
Cobblers fans.  You want:

A team win every game every year.

Hurrah!

Sack every manager of every team.  They all ****.



Sums up your knowledge...

Fans don't expect a winning team every week, just one that has an identity, competes & plays a little bit of football nown again. Under KC bar the last two play off games it's been mainly uninspiring dross...

KC done the job he was bought in to do but is out of his depth with his reluctance to adapt or provide a plan B.
Should never have been given a new two year deal in the Summer.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on November 11, 2020, 20:44:27 pm
Sums up your knowledge...

Fans don't expect a winning team every week, just one that has an identity, competes & plays a little bit of football nown again. Under KC bar the last two play off games it's been mainly uninspiring dross...

KC done the job he was bought in to do but is out of his depth with his reluctance to adapt or provide a plan B.
Should never have been given a new two year deal in the Summer.

Hey, Mr.Ragdoll,

You say this:

With the amount of players already / soon to be released & available it really is a buyers market.

I'd rather we take out time to bring in the best quality / characters we possible can for the best value.
I have much more faith in our scouting team since Melville left.

I still don't understand how the proposed salary cap will work as I believe it's gonna be 1.5M in L2 & 2.5M in L1

Yet, Bolton are allegedly paying stupid money for players already...

Still, I guess if it's down to the ELF to manage this they'll be fine!  ::)


You still think this, or, you still stink this?

Big boy love his mum.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on November 11, 2020, 21:23:35 pm
Hey, Mr.Ragdoll,

You say this:


You still think this, or, you still stink this?

Big boy love his mum.

Sacha Baron Cohen does it a lot better, pal.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on November 11, 2020, 21:51:01 pm
Sacha Baron Cohen does it a lot better, pal.

What?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on November 11, 2020, 21:53:20 pm
What?

Oh, Sorry, old fellow.

I forgot English customs.

I mean to say

What my scholar?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on November 11, 2020, 23:13:06 pm
Oh, Sorry, old fellow.

I forgot English customs.

I mean to say

What my scholar?

Sock it to 'em, Bosco, by the way, you remind me of a former poster 'Hallam Cobbler' he used to confront critics with 6 month old former posts. All good fun and wish you luck 8).


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on November 12, 2020, 01:04:42 am
Sock it to 'em, Bosco, by the way, you remind me of a former poster 'Hallam Cobbler' he used to confront critics with 6 month old former posts. All good fun and wish you luck 8).

Thank you, Mr.Everbrite.

You are the first person who is polite here to me.

I do not know "Hallam Cobbler".  My father was a friend of Bosko Jankovic.  You know?  He played for Middelsborough and Jugoslavia.  But, my father he fell in love with Cobblers.  I want to be like him with a love for Cobblers.

I watch here for many months.  I feel sad that people do not fight for Cobblers.

Sorry.  Soime times it takes a long time for me to write english.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Buster on November 12, 2020, 07:03:29 am
To save people time, a quick appraisal of this thread. I think he's ****, no he's not as **** as i thought, hes quite good, oh not so good, he's getting **** again and yep I was right he's ****!

It’s time to play the music,
It’s time to light the lights...


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Clarity on November 12, 2020, 10:46:48 am
It’s time to play the music,
It’s time to light the lights...
Why do we always come here
I guess we'll never know
It's like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on November 12, 2020, 10:56:06 am
Thank you, Mr.Everbrite.

You are the first person who is polite here to me.

I do not know "Hallam Cobbler".  My father was a friend of Bosko Jankovic.  You know?  He played for Middelsborough and Jugoslavia.  But, my father he fell in love with Cobblers.  I want to be like him with a love for Cobblers.

I watch here for many months.  I feel sad that people do not fight for Cobblers.

Sorry.  Soime times it takes a long time for me to write english.

Bosco
Have the same issues - so many enlightened literary experts on here. I just cannot cope :'(
Just sound the bugle if the ‘happy’ ones get too ‘happy’.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on November 12, 2020, 11:36:25 am
Good to see that we now have 15 pages of appreciation for KC. But seriously, let's face facts the next incumbant will be receiving all the same anti messages even if it is Jurgan Klopp because our posters all know more about the game than a man who has played at the highest level and many years managerial experience.
John Sheridan seems to be derided throughout the country yet he is regularly gaining new managerial positions.
Early in the 2015-16 promotion season posters wre calling for Chris Wilder's head after a poor start.
Regardless of how this season pans out I fully expect to start next season with KC still in charge.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on November 12, 2020, 13:03:04 pm
When we are bottom @ Christmas I fully expect or see KT pull the trigger on Curlio.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on November 12, 2020, 13:11:15 pm
If you exclude the outdated tactics and most unentertaining football displayed amongst all 92 football clubs . what is it about Keith I don’t like?
He appreciates the club ethics and history , is ok with the media and can be personable .
I think it’s the pseudo psychology that I don’t like and the refusal to accept he was wrong on anything publicly .
He comes across as untouchable and he really isn’t .


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on November 12, 2020, 13:59:58 pm
If you exclude the outdated tactics and most unentertaining football displayed amongst all 92 football clubs . what is it about Keith I don’t like?
He appreciates the club ethics and history , is ok with the media and can be personable .
I think it’s the pseudo psychology that I don’t like and the refusal to accept he was wrong on anything publicly .
He comes across as untouchable and he really isn’t .
For me it’s the utter BS that comes out of his pie hole.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on November 12, 2020, 14:16:46 pm
If you exclude the outdated tactics and most unentertaining football displayed amongst all 92 football clubs . what is it about Keith I don’t like?
He appreciates the club ethics and history , is ok with the media and can be personable .
I think it’s the pseudo psychology that I don’t like and the refusal to accept he was wrong on anything publicly .
He comes across as untouchable and he really isn’t .

I thought he accepted blame for his team selection on Monday. So, some of your post is clearly incorrect.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on November 12, 2020, 14:19:38 pm
I thought he accepted blame for his team selection on Monday. So, some of your post is clearly incorrect.
He accepted some of the blame.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on November 12, 2020, 14:22:32 pm
He accepted some of the blame.

Exactly, thanks for confirming  ;)


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest2995 on November 12, 2020, 14:49:29 pm
I thought he accepted blame for his team selection on Monday. So, some of your post is clearly incorrect.
He certainly did not accept blame for team selection in my view .
He begrudgingly tried to defend why it was such a young, changed team.
Personally speaking I don’t think the team selection in terms of individuals was too bad . What he won’t do though is change things in a match when they are not working and accept he got it wrong . He rarely swaps formations or players around. Monday was a prime example where it should have been changed much more quickly with added firepower in midfield and strength at the back but he didn’t do a thing .
Don’t get me wrong it’s the players more than him to blame but he never accepts responsibility in full .


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3063 on November 12, 2020, 15:43:28 pm
To quote :

"I take some responsibility because it was my team selection" he said "Maybe it was too many changes and I'm going to try and protect the players and find as many excuses as I can to defend them publicly."


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on November 12, 2020, 16:00:27 pm
Exactly, thanks for confirming  ;)
👍


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: cobbler151 on November 12, 2020, 18:28:58 pm
👍

Out if interest.....how many good managers do you think we have had in past 25 years that have played good football?

 


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Zen Master on November 12, 2020, 18:47:41 pm
It’s all bollocks. Regardless of what team he picked they were professional footballers from a league 1 squad picked against a team from National League South.
 They should have had enough quality and ability to win the game, no excuses or exceptions.

Looked uninterested, unfit and lacking ability to string a few passes together. The sort of performance that sometimes says about a teams belief in their leader as well as their actual football skill.



Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on November 12, 2020, 19:57:58 pm
Out if interest.....how many good managers do you think we have had in past 25 years that have played good football?

 
Carr
Atkins
Broadhurst
Gray
Wilder


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: bungle on November 12, 2020, 20:03:39 pm
It’s all bollocks. Regardless of what team he picked they were professional footballers from a league 1 squad picked against a team from National League South.

Disagree. A well-drilled, experienced non-league team playing at home in a simple coherent system will invariably beat a league side with no clear system and a chronic lack of experience (particularly if you throw in an artificial pitch).

Curle's tactical naivety lost us the game.






Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: everbrite on November 12, 2020, 20:32:59 pm
He certainly did not accept blame for team selection in my view .
He begrudgingly tried to defend why it was such a young, changed team.
Personally speaking I don’t think the team selection in terms of individuals was too bad . What he won’t do though is change things in a match when they are not working and accept he got it wrong . He rarely swaps formations or players around. Monday was a prime example where it should have been changed much more quickly with added firepower in midfield and strength at the back but he didn’t do a thing .
Don’t get me wrong it’s the players more than him to blame but he never accepts responsibility in full .


Who would after that game! Agree with you on team selection and particularly on the use of subs. It just left me puzzled why KC conducted the game in the manner he did; as mentioned previously 'you can hear him shouting advice a mile away'.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Zen Master on November 12, 2020, 20:42:39 pm
Disagree. A well-drilled, experienced non-league team playing at home in a simple coherent system will invariably beat a league side with no clear system and a chronic lack of experience (particularly if you throw in an artificial pitch).

Curle's tactical naivety lost us the game.

Disagree. If it’s so simple why are they a National League South team, they should be flying up the leagues.
I do agree tactical naivety plays a part but ability should overcome







Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Athena on November 13, 2020, 15:01:34 pm
What an opportunity missed by Swindon Town.  They have appointed John Sherridan as their new manager.  Just think they could have had Keith Curle!


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: bungle on November 13, 2020, 17:36:44 pm

Disagree. If it’s so simple why are they a National League South team, they should be flying up the leagues.

Because when they (Oxford City) come up against opposition with reasonably coherent formations and a modicum of experience then they will inevitably lose a significant proportion of their games due to disparities in individual ability.

My point is that even the most embittered cynics on here would accept that  there is more than enough ability in the squad to beat a team like Oxford comfortably. We could all probably pick about three starting X1s which would have resembled a much more cohesive tacticical unit. For me, this game was the apotheosis of Curle's tendency towards gung-ho tactical naivety and his rank disregard of the importance of midfield stability, a similar impulse which drives him to chuck on three strikers when we're chasing a game rather than establishing a foundation to get more possession.

On the other hand, the last two play-off games suggested that Curle is capable of showing the tactical acumen needed to succeed. I think he needs to go back to the drawing board and go back to the template which was so successful last season.








Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on November 13, 2020, 20:16:44 pm
Bosco
Have the same issues - so many enlightened literary experts on here. I just cannot cope :'(
Just sound the bugle if the ‘happy’ ones get too ‘happy’.

Mr.Everbrite,

Thank you. You are a good person. So many people hate when voice is wrong.

I see football in many countries.  Mr.Curle is a good manager.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on November 13, 2020, 21:21:51 pm
Hello Cobbler fans everywhere.

Bad s*** with future make Mr.Curle worry.

Mr.Curle is good manager.

People who write bad things.  You s***-heads?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2020, 15:20:09 pm
Mr Curle is done as a manager.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on November 14, 2020, 15:35:32 pm
I would stick with Keith as he will stabilise us next season in league two as he is proven at that level
We should just enjoy our season in league one for what it is.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2020, 15:55:52 pm
We won't be enjoying any aspect of the season in league 1 under him. Time is definitely up.

Absolutely no excuses. He played a weakened side on Monday to focus on today. Accrington have been plagued by Coronavirus for weeks and won that at a canter.

Curle gone tonight please Kelvin.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Shoemaker on November 14, 2020, 16:10:57 pm
We won't be enjoying any aspect of the season in league 1 under him. Time is definitely up.

Absolutely no excuses. He played a weakened side on Monday to focus on today. Accrington have been plagued by Coronavirus for weeks and won that at a canter.

Curle gone tonight please Kelvin.
If he has to sack Keith it will damage the housekeeping
Let’s finish bottom with Keith at the wheel and prepare for league two
The money we save by not sacking Keith can be added to the playing budget allowing us to buy centre half’s with no league experience , from league two cannon fodder teams and a league one centre back on a one year deal who is deemed surplus to requirements by a club at the same level.

We could buy a striker from twenty leagues under the sea ,a youth team player from a premier team with no scoring record, retain a striker who wasn’t good enough for the league below..
A centre midfielder from a bang average league two team another who couldn’t get in at Fleetwood this year and to put a great big cherry on top of the turd we could wax lyrical about youth team players who are nowhere near league one level.

I dread to think who we will sign if we have to pay old Keith off.....

Are any other cobblers fans finally smelling the coffee....?

If we sack Keith it could impact our chances of buying quality players


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on November 14, 2020, 16:42:39 pm
If we go down with Curle in charge I wouldn’t fancy us in L2


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: west stand oap on December 02, 2020, 12:58:16 pm
Another master stroke from the maestro. Just when we expected him to field a similar side to the 2 away games he changes formation to a flat back 4 and selects a side for that formation which meant no place for Holmes or Marshall and brought some comments on here. The team stuck to the formation to a man and it paid dividends. Yet another case of assessing the opposition and selecting a formation and team accordingly.
OK it was a dour attritional game with both 'keepers having little serious work to do but we got men behind the ball, defended  well and took the points. As KC often says football is what you do without the ball as much as what you do with it. I expect we will see many similar performances against the so called better sides but if it works so be it.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3338 on December 02, 2020, 13:48:11 pm
Another master stroke from the maestro. Just when we expected him to field a similar side to the 2 away games he changes formation to a flat back 4 and selects a side for that formation which meant no place for Holmes or Marshall and brought some comments on here. The team stuck to the formation to a man and it paid dividends. Yet another case of assessing the opposition and selecting a formation and team accordingly.
OK it was a dour attritional game with both 'keepers having little serious work to do but we got men behind the ball, defended  well and took the points. As KC often says football is what you do without the ball as much as what you do with it. I expect we will see many similar performances against the so called better sides but if it works so be it.
If we do see many similar performances do you expect many similar results?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Manwork04 on December 02, 2020, 13:50:44 pm
Another master stroke from the maestro. Just when we expected him to field a similar side to the 2 away games he changes formation to a flat back 4 and selects a side for that formation which meant no place for Holmes or Marshall and brought some comments on here. The team stuck to the formation to a man and it paid dividends. Yet another case of assessing the opposition and selecting a formation and team accordingly.
OK it was a dour attritional game with both 'keepers having little serious work to do but we got men behind the ball, defended  well and took the points. As KC often says football is what you do without the ball as much as what you do with it. I expect we will see many similar performances against the so called better sides but if it works so be it.
Sorry Keith but that type of tactic is based on luck and is desperately boring to watch, keep casting  ;D


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 04, 2020, 21:42:27 pm
Mr.curle is a good manager.

cobblers are lucky he is here.

He will make us great again.  1965!

Ivan Toney & charlie Goode will want to be here to make that happen again.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Larry on December 04, 2020, 21:46:40 pm
If we go down with Curle in charge I wouldn’t fancy us in L2

What's his record with us in L2?


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: guest3086 on December 04, 2020, 21:47:30 pm
Mr.curle is a good manager.

cobblers are lucky he is here.

He will make us great again.  1965!

Ivan Toney & charlie Goode will want to be here to make that happen again.

But they ain't.


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Larry on December 04, 2020, 21:50:49 pm
Sorry Keith but that type of tactic is based on luck and is desperately boring to watch, keep casting  ;D

I thought you enjoyed it with your can of mild and Werther's Originals


Title: Re: Keith Curle appreciation thread
Post by: Bosco_Jancovic on December 04, 2020, 23:27:33 pm
Another master stroke from the maestro. Just when we expected him to field a similar side to the 2 away games he changes formation to a flat back 4 and selects a side for that formation which meant no place for Holmes or Marshall and brought some comments on here. The team stuck to the formation to a man and it paid dividends. Yet another case of assessing the opposition and selecting a formation and team accordingly.
OK it was a dour attritional game with both 'keepers having little serious work to do but we got men behind the ball, defended  well and took the points. As KC often says football is what you do without the ball as much as what you do with it. I expect we will see many similar performances against the so called better sides but if it works so be it.

Mr.OAP.

You know football very well. Are you really Mr.carr?

New football is like Mr.Tottenham said. You win when you do not have the ball. If you have the ball, you have to think. Footballers do not think.

Long time ago, Mr.boothroyd team kikked ball out straight from start? Why? Without ball, you win!

I want win. Pretty football, I see loser on TV.