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Title: Season ticket holders
Post by: Grove on March 05, 2021, 09:49:51 am
2 days on from the meeting , nothing has been revealed  following the meeting with a mish mash of 'fans groups' ,none of whom represent me as a season ticket holder or indeed probably the majority of st holders . It is believed that some deciding were not even season ticket holders. WHY the secrecy yet again, the last zoom meeting between the club and a podcast was also a bit secretive unless you listened to the podcast . Id  much rather read stuff, be it on here or the club website . seems to me the club has go to groups, to pass on information . Who were these anonymous  individuals with their so called representations. Have they all been sworn to secrecy , much like the trust who have allegedly seen kelvins plans .  Bit of transparency wouldnt go amiss
What was decided ? who proposed what ? why wont you tell us anything ?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 05, 2021, 10:05:14 am
The meeting was to discuss, with various supporters groups (not just The Trust), the clubs plans and options for STHs and Car Park Pass Holders and invited input and views from those groups. I do not believe that any decisions were made?
See page 7 of tomorrows programme:
https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/portsmouth_programme/


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: tcobb on March 05, 2021, 14:04:55 pm
Same, i thought it was about discussions not decisions, plenty of time to sort something out.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Clarity on March 05, 2021, 14:50:15 pm
I've been told by the club that my car park pass will roll over to next season without further payment. Update out soon about season tickets


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 05, 2021, 15:06:37 pm
I've been told by the club that my car park pass will roll over to next season without further payment. Update out soon about season tickets

Good news... 8)


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Clarity on March 05, 2021, 15:40:09 pm
Good news... 8)
Yes, another reason to go back again I suppose


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 05, 2021, 15:56:26 pm
Quite a range of options to consider.....

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/season_tickets_information/ (https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/season_tickets_information/)


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Carton Lid on March 05, 2021, 16:08:20 pm
There are lots of creative ways of giving refunds, the main object is to not lose any STH. I don't know if the restaurant sells out every game but a table of STH at each game wouldn't cost a lot for the club and what the people spent at the bar and on raffles, might even turn a profit. Invite junior STH to a training morning in the school holidays. Have your photo taken with the team at the pre season, passes for the players bar, loads of ways, be creative.


Just noticed that NTFC have issued some info, I still think some of the things I've suggested could be included


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Clarity on March 05, 2021, 16:16:37 pm
Quite a range of options to consider.....

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/season_tickets_information/ (https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/march/season_tickets_information/)
I think thatís all very reasonable


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 05, 2021, 16:38:48 pm
I think thatís all very reasonable

Agreed. I like that shirt too!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on March 05, 2021, 16:51:08 pm
Beware, if you select the credit option towards next season's season ticket and we have more lockdowns, only those who select the donate option might be able to attend...

"THOSE SELECTING THIS OPTION AND RENEWING SEASON TICKETS FOR NEXT SEASON WILL HAVE PRIORITY ACCESS TO GAMES SHOULD CAPACITY RESTRICTIONS BE IN EFFECT."


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Knockingonabit on March 05, 2021, 16:58:02 pm
Love the shirt. I would suggest making it the away kit!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: cobblertone on March 05, 2021, 17:22:07 pm
Thereíll be a handful who are upset at no option of a full refund (multiple family member ST holders maybe) but we seem to have put the creative caps on. Those who were going to see it as free money to the club get a nice shirt and wonít cost the club a lot. Carltonís idea of the corporate treatment is good.
No mention of T.H.E. in the credits, so definitely meaningless background noise from here. Like we didnít know  ;D

Be interesting to see how we benchmark against the Ďcompetitioní and I guess uptake may be determined on how this season pans out.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Risdene on March 05, 2021, 17:26:32 pm
I think thatís all very reasonable
+1


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 05, 2021, 17:40:21 pm
There appears to be assumption that all STHs had access to or the opportunity/means to watch iFollow?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Wanderingteyn on March 05, 2021, 17:44:43 pm
I'd have liked for all ST holders to have their names on the anniversary shirt. Just because one fan can afford to donate to the club doesn't make that fan more loyal or more worthy.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: West Stand on March 05, 2021, 18:19:25 pm
It's a nice shirt. It's a shame they have to spoil it by embroidering names on it.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Grove on March 05, 2021, 18:31:50 pm
I'd have liked for all ST holders to have their names on the anniversary shirt. Just because one fan can afford to donate to the club doesn't make that fan more loyal or more worthy.

Agreed , we are all effectively donating 10% of our season ticket money anyway, as we are only getting a 'refund of 40% given that i follow is half the price of a game


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: SadOldGit on March 05, 2021, 18:55:20 pm
There appears to be assumption that all STHs had access to or the opportunity/means to watch iFollow?

Or even the desire. iFollow is a pretty poor product.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 05, 2021, 19:12:51 pm
I knew what I was signing up for when I bought my ticket, that it was unlikely I'd be at many, if any, matches this year, and quite frankly I'm glad to have not been there in person for most of the games this year. So I won't be after a refund.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 05, 2021, 19:14:37 pm
I'd have liked for all ST holders to have their names on the anniversary shirt. Just because one fan can afford to donate to the club doesn't make that fan more loyal or more worthy.
But it's not about whether people can afford to or not, they spent the money last year and wouldn't be expecting anything back had we been allowed back in.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Wanderingteyn on March 05, 2021, 19:19:05 pm
But it's not about whether people can afford to or not, they spent the money last year and wouldn't be expecting anything back had we been allowed back in.

That's a fair argument mate.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 05, 2021, 19:21:42 pm
I have to say this is very fair indeed, well done to the club.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Carton Lid on March 05, 2021, 20:07:51 pm
. Those who were going to see it as free money to the club get a nice shirt and wonít cost the club a lot.
I don't think the shirts are free are they. the way I read it you still have to buy the shirt even if you forgo your refund. If that's the case I recon some people will say "I'll have my £140 refund and then buy a £50 shirt"
    I might be wrong , but isn't there quite a big mark up on replica shirts, so if the STH who don't ask was also offered a discount on the shirt, they would probably sell more.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Teachers Pet on March 05, 2021, 20:09:34 pm
I knew what I was signing up for when I bought my ticket, that it was unlikely I'd be at many, if any, matches this year, and quite frankly I'm glad to have not been there in person for most of the games this year. So I won't be after a refund.

Did you? How did anyone know at that stage?

In my case three of us in my household are season ticket holders, so will be requesting a refund or credit towards next seasons tickets. I haven't got money to throw away on a product I didn't receive.  


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Teachers Pet on March 05, 2021, 20:14:41 pm
I don't think the shirts are free are they. the way I read it you still have to buy the shirt even if you forgo your refund. If that's the case I recon some people will say "I'll have my £140 refund and then buy a £50 shirt"
    I might be wrong , but isn't there quite a big mark up on replica shirts, so if the STH who don't ask was also offered a discount on the shirt, they would probably sell more.

I think you're right about the shirts. All your getting is the name on the shirt as far as I can see. Well if you can actually see it, that is  :) 


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 05, 2021, 20:42:43 pm
Did you? How did anyone know at that stage?

In my case three of us in my household are season ticket holders, so will be requesting a refund or credit towards next seasons tickets. I haven't got money to throw away on a product I didn't receive.  
a) Anybody could tell that this wasn't going to be cleared up in a couple of months.
b) So you would have had the money to spare had you gone to the matches?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: cobblertone on March 05, 2021, 21:22:44 pm
A £140 ifollow pass being valued at £230 may cause a bit of a stir but at least theyíre not taking the name off the back of your shirt  :P


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: WadeyCobbler on March 05, 2021, 22:54:42 pm
For me, the lone season ticket holder in my house, this seems very fair to offer a 40% refund or discount on next season. I will take up the discount. I've had ifollow and for all its faults at least it's meant I could still watch the home games (although often wish I hadn't bothered most of the time). I love that shirt. If the option of donating included a 'free' shirt too, I may have decided to do that.
The people who will lose out are those families that live together and watch one ifollow, or I suppose those that haven't taken up the free ifollow service. But they'll still get 40% refund or discount each.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Larry on March 05, 2021, 23:13:20 pm
Did you? How did anyone know at that stage?

In my case three of us in my household are season ticket holders, so will be requesting a refund or credit towards next seasons tickets. I haven't got money to throw away on a product I didn't receive.  

I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the money you couldn't spend on hotdogs and programmes.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: andycobbler on March 05, 2021, 23:17:20 pm
I'm not going to get a credit or refund, that's my choice even though money is tight. Having been a sth since the 80's I'm happy to have a club especially during these difficult times. As for others their choice is their choice and whatever they choose is for them and them only, it doesn't make them any less of a supporter. Well done to the club for the options and I can't wait to see the shirt in the flesh.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 06, 2021, 09:28:10 am
I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the money you couldn't spend on hotdogs and programmes.

So you've ordered and paid for a new television from Curry's and because of the Pandemic, the supply and delivery of the television was cancelled.  They won't give you a refund, they'll hang onto your money because the Pandemic might be over soon.
Don't worry though, they'll set up a video and charge you £5 per week, so that you can look at your television in the warehouse whilst you wait. Although you don't have the desire, the access, the opportunity and/or means to watch that video?

Now that the Pandemic is over, they have contacted you to say that it is now available for delivery but you'll have to pay for it again.  Don't worry though they'll give you a 40% discount because you've already given them the money for the television in the first place and they've provided a video that you didn't want.

Would you say that that is alright and that you'll pay the extra 60% and they can keep your original payment as well?

Curry's, like NTFC isn't a charity and a lot of people/families do not have a spare £2-300 (or more in TP's case) to donate to a charity let alone an organisation that they attend for 'entertainment' once a fortnight, that is primarily a business like any other.
I'm sure that they would much prefer to spend it on either themselves or the rest of their families, especially during this period of intense hardship.

I am not a STH, I could afford it if I was, but that doesn't mean that I would.
I wouldn't comment on anyone elses choice.
But the options needed to have included a full refund for those who want it.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Winslow Lee on March 06, 2021, 09:51:58 am

Don't worry though, they'll set up a video and charge you £5 per week, so that you can look at your television in the warehouse whilst you wait.

Iím not sure thatís a fair analogy! more like being lent a tablet to actually watch tv while you wait for for your 50 inch surround sound tv, what your suggesting is more like if ifollow just showed a static picture of the outside of the ground while matches were played. I didnít realise though that STH were actually charged to watch the streams, that should definitely have been free of charge to them.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: cobblertone on March 06, 2021, 09:58:23 am
So you've ordered and paid for a new television from Curry's and because of the Pandemic, the supply and delivery of the television was cancelled.  They won't give you a refund, they'll hang onto your money because the Pandemic might be over soon.
Don't worry though, they'll set up a video and charge you £5 per week, so that you can look at your television in the warehouse whilst you wait. Although you don't have the desire, the access, the opportunity and/or means to watch that video?

Now that the Pandemic is over, they have contacted you to say that it is now available for delivery but you'll have to pay for it again.  Don't worry though they'll give you a 40% discount because you've already given them the money for the television in the first place and they've provided a video that you didn't want.

Would you say that that is alright and that you'll pay the extra 60% and they can keep your original payment as well?

Curry's, like NTFC isn't a charity and a lot of people/families do not have a spare £2-300 (or more in TP's case) to donate to a charity let alone an organisation that they attend for 'entertainment' once a fortnight, that is primarily a business like any other.
I'm sure that they would much prefer to spend it on either themselves or the rest of their families, especially during this period of intense hardship.

I am not a STH, I could afford it if I was, but that doesn't mean that I would.
I wouldn't comment on anyone elses choice.
But the options needed to have included a full refund for those who want it.

I also didnít buy a ST this year but kind of agree with this and interested if football clubs will be tested by law. It clearly stems way beyond just our club.
I get the emotional contract for any football fan but struggle to see the difference to any tickets bought for events. If the multiple concerts Iím sitting on went ahead behind closed doors and I was offered to stream them and get a partial refund I wouldnít be very happy. A couple have now been cancelled and you automatically get a refund.
It needs to be about choice.
The way the club seem to be prioritising those who choose to Ďdonateí the money is controversial too. People who bought STís could be in a totally different financial position now and could need the cash.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Winslow Lee on March 06, 2021, 10:15:58 am
I also didnít buy a ST this year but kind of agree with this and interested if football clubs will be tested by law. It clearly stems way beyond just our club.

This is pure supposition but with clubs going into the season knowing that large chunks of the season were very likely to be played without crowds I would be surprised if this wasnít covered in the terms of season tickets.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 06, 2021, 10:31:50 am
Iím not sure thatís a fair analogy! more like being lent a tablet to actually watch tv while you wait for for your 50 inch surround sound tv, what your suggesting is more like if ifollow just showed a static picture of the outside of the ground while matches were played. I didnít realise though that STH were actually charged to watch the streams, that should definitely have been free of charge to them.

Semantics, but you get the gist of the analogy.
If that's the only comment, I'm content.  ;)

The bottom line remains, the preamble is immaterial really...


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: cobblertone on March 06, 2021, 10:40:43 am
This is pure supposition but with clubs going into the season knowing that large chunks of the season were very likely to be played without crowds I would be surprised if this wasnít covered in the terms of season tickets.

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/premier-league-clubs-begin-refund-process-with-one-exception/

The law would override any T&Cís, although the 40% refund wouldnít have been in them.
I do feel sorry for all the clubs who have suffered financially throughout, although the same could be said for so many businesses and families.
Saying people should have known they wouldnít be able to attend games is a non-argument.



Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Winslow Lee on March 06, 2021, 11:14:27 am
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/premier-league-clubs-begin-refund-process-with-one-exception/

The law would override any T&Cís, although the 40% refund wouldnít have been in them.
I do feel sorry for all the clubs who have suffered financially throughout, although the same could be said for so many businesses and families.
Saying people should have known they wouldnít be able to attend games is a non-argument.



Thatís interesting, while nobody knew exactly how things would pan out, the vast majority of matches behind closed doors was definitely possible and probably likely. I wonder if clubs were ridiculously optimistic about the season or just relying on the goodwill of fans not to want refunds. Maybe clubs should have mothballed for a season and stuck everyone on furlough.
 


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: CobblerForever on March 06, 2021, 11:46:20 am
Thatís interesting, while nobody knew exactly how things would pan out, the vast majority of matches behind closed doors was definitely possible and probably likely. I wonder if clubs were ridiculously optimistic about the season or just relying on the goodwill of fans not to want refunds. Maybe clubs should have mothballed for a season and stuck everyone on furlough.
 

The Industry needs television money, sales of merchandise etc as well as gate money. Clubs like ourselves get persuaded to continue playing to keep their assets fit (the players) and most pertinently to keep the funds from the premier league/sky etc flowing in. No product = no income.

FWIW I didn't buy a season ticket because of the possibility of games going behind closed doors though I did expect season ticket holders to be given access to all games not just the home league ones. 


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Zen Master on March 06, 2021, 12:28:52 pm
If a shop I like goes under Iíd then shop at another similar outlet to get what I need.
If the cobblers went under I probably wouldnít find another although I love football.

Does KT take a salary out of NTFC? Just curious

Iíll probably take the option of discount towards next season regardless of division.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 06, 2021, 12:35:30 pm
If a shop I like goes under Iíd then shop at another similar outlet to get what I need.
If the cobblers went under I probably wouldnít find another although I love football.

Does KT take a salary out of NTFC? Just curious

Iíll probably take the option of discount towards next season regardless of division.
Do you really think he does it for free?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Teachers Pet on March 06, 2021, 14:03:15 pm
I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the money you couldn't spend on hotdogs and programmes.

When did I ask for your opinion? And for the record I don't buy hotdogs or programmes, not that it's anything to do with you what I spend my money on.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on March 06, 2021, 14:09:27 pm
https://thefsa.org.uk/news/premier-league-clubs-begin-refund-process-with-one-exception/

The law would override any T&Cís, although the 40% refund wouldnít have been in them.
I do feel sorry for all the clubs who have suffered financially throughout, although the same could be said for so many businesses and families.
Saying people should have known they wouldnít be able to attend games is a non-argument.


Always does, donít waste money on that extended warranty nonsense, most of the time you end up paying for something you get for free. Lost count of the times Iíve put this theory to the test and won.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Shoemender on March 06, 2021, 14:52:49 pm
So you've ordered and paid for a new television from Curry's and because of the Pandemic, the supply and delivery of the television was cancelled.  They won't give you a refund, they'll hang onto your money because the Pandemic might be over soon.
Don't worry though, they'll set up a video and charge you £5 per week, so that you can look at your television in the warehouse whilst you wait. Although you don't have the desire, the access, the opportunity and/or means to watch that video?

Now that the Pandemic is over, they have contacted you to say that it is now available for delivery but you'll have to pay for it again.  Don't worry though they'll give you a 40% discount because you've already given them the money for the television in the first place and they've provided a video that you didn't want.

Would you say that that is alright and that you'll pay the extra 60% and they can keep your original payment as well?

Curry's, like NTFC isn't a charity and a lot of people/families do not have a spare £2-300 (or more in TP's case) to donate to a charity let alone an organisation that they attend for 'entertainment' once a fortnight, that is primarily a business like any other.
I'm sure that they would much prefer to spend it on either themselves or the rest of their families, especially during this period of intense hardship.

I am not a STH, I could afford it if I was, but that doesn't mean that I would.
I wouldn't comment on anyone elses choice.
But the options needed to have included a full refund for those who want it.

I have to say, although the full refund could possibly have been an option but ,how many "loyal supporters" would have taken it up anyway, I have to disagree with your TV analogy. Most people spend a lot more following their club than the initial outlay on their season ticket so most will have actually saved more than their initial outlay by not going and have also had the opportunity to watch the games anyway. I personally will have probably saved in excess of £2000 minimum by not going home or away this season, ie; pub before home games and occasionally food in the ground and obviously the much higher cost of going away and all it entails, so the cost of a season ticket pales into insignificance against the money I've actually saved this season.
I certainly wouldn't dream of claiming any thing back from the club and the less who do the better for the club. They could have offered nothing, I think the 40% is actually pretty fair.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 06, 2021, 15:03:39 pm
I have to say, although the full refund could possibly have been an option but ,how many "loyal supporters" would have taken it up anyway, I have to disagree with your TV analogy. Most people spend a lot more following their club than the initial outlay on their season ticket so most will have actually saved more than their initial outlay by not going and have also had the opportunity to watch the games anyway. I personally will have probably saved in excess of £2000 minimum by not going home or away this season, ie; pub before home games and occasionally food in the ground and obviously the much higher cost of going away and all it entails, so the cost of a season ticket pales into insignificance against the money I've actually saved this season.
I certainly wouldn't dream of claiming any thing back from the club and the less who do the better for the club. They could have offered nothing, I think the 40% is actually pretty fair.


I acknowledge the 'extra spend' associated with following the team.
I probably spend more than most with fuel, hotels, 'refreshments' etc... but I was only talking about the one issue that is directly associated with the club and their offer to STHs.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Shoemender on March 06, 2021, 15:29:41 pm
I acknowledge the 'extra spend' associated with following the team.
I probably spend more than most with fuel, hotels, 'refreshments' etc... but I was only talking about the one issue that is directly associated with the club and their offer to STHs.

I acknowledge your "one issue", but I was merely questioning why anyone would want to claim money back when the majority of them are essentially not out of pocket. Anyway enough of this, we're bloody 2-0 up!!!!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Larry on March 06, 2021, 21:10:33 pm
When did I ask for your opinion? And for the record I don't buy hotdogs or programmes, not that it's anything to do with you what I spend my money on.

I'm afraid it doesn't look like you've managed to grasp the concept of a public message board. Good luck with your complaining about not being able spend the money you can't afford.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: everbrite on March 07, 2021, 00:29:42 am
When did I ask for your opinion? And for the record I don't buy hotdogs or programmes, not that it's anything to do with you what I spend my money on.

You will be lucky on here not to get an unsolicited opinion. I get hundreds, nothing like Marvo used to get or for that matter Manny04. Hasten to add all mostly unjustified without rhyme or reason let alone Logic. I like Larry, can be very pithy and does not react like Atilla the Hun if crossed. Good lad for me.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Teachers Pet on March 07, 2021, 11:58:33 am
I'm afraid it doesn't look like you've managed to grasp the concept of a public message board. Good luck with your complaining about not being able spend the money you can't afford.

I'm not complaining about anything. I've been a season ticket holder since the County Ground days and didn't request a refund last season. The club has had near on £1000 from three season tickets this season for one game plus poor quality Ifollow. If I wish to get some money back that's down to me and nothing to do with you.   


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Larry on March 07, 2021, 17:13:40 pm
I'm not complaining about anything. I've been a season ticket holder since the County Ground days and didn't request a refund last season. The club has had near on £1000 from three season tickets this season for one game plus poor quality Ifollow. If I wish to get some money back that's down to me and nothing to do with you.   

I completely agree. I'm thinking about the hotdogs and programmes you haven't been able to refuse, whose going to pay for those? I think the club should take some responsibility.


Title: Season Ticket 20/21 Refund Offer
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on March 22, 2021, 02:53:58 am
Iím sorry if this subject has had an airing already? If it has, please redirect Mods.

I will definitely be donating my full season ticket refund offer to the club. I do quite like the idea of my name on the 125th anniversary shirt - tapping into my worrying egotistical tendencies!

However, wouldnít it be a nice gesture to thank us for our loyalty by letting us buy the shirt at cost? Most are going to want to get one and asking the loyal ST holders for an additional  £50 seems a little harsh?

Looks like the club are cashing in on peopleís loyalty? Or is it me?


Title: Re: Season Ticket 20/21 Refund Offer
Post by: Risdene on March 22, 2021, 06:53:18 am
+1

although the club should use the word 'discounted' rather than 'cost price', as it could be very embarrasing how cheap they are to make!


Title: Re: Season Ticket 20/21 Refund Offer
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 22, 2021, 07:45:13 am
Iím sorry if this subject has had an airing already? If it has, please redirect Mods.

I will definitely be donating my full season ticket refund offer to the club. I do quite like the idea of my name on the 125th anniversary shirt - tapping into my worrying egotistical tendencies!

However, wouldnít it be a nice gesture to thank us for our loyalty by letting us buy the shirt at cost? Most are going to want to get one and asking the loyal ST holders for an additional  £50 seems a little harsh?

Looks like the club are cashing in on peopleís loyalty? Or is it me?

That would a sway quite a few people from rolling the money over into next year into a donation, I think.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Carton Lid on March 22, 2021, 10:26:03 am
I don't think the shirts are free are they. the way I read it you still have to buy the shirt even if you forgo your refund. If that's the case I recon some people will say "I'll have my £140 refund and then buy a £50 shirt"
    I might be wrong , but isn't there quite a big mark up on replica shirts, so if the STH who don't ask was also offered a discount on the shirt, they would probably sell more.
I agree, in fact I suggested it on the 2nd page of this topic.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: cobblerwatch on March 23, 2021, 18:15:44 pm
I acknowledge the 'extra spend' associated with following the team.
I probably spend more than most with fuel, hotels, 'refreshments' etc... but I was only talking about the one issue that is directly associated with the club and their offer to STHs.

Yes my extra spend is massive - I only manage most Saturday home games but its 100's of miles so the saving this year has been massive but I do think the 40% is reasonable - however I think the name on the shirt in return for nothing is very mean - when I read it I assumed they were offering a shirt - standard cost of which can't be more than £20. It's also a bit sneaky/clever as they know a good percentage of folk who go for that option will also buy the shirt so they get short changed twice.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: guest3428 on March 24, 2021, 10:34:46 am
So you've ordered and paid for a new television from Curry's and because of the Pandemic, the supply and delivery of the television was cancelled.  They won't give you a refund, they'll hang onto your money because the Pandemic might be over soon.
Don't worry though, they'll set up a video and charge you £5 per week, so that you can look at your television in the warehouse whilst you wait. Although you don't have the desire, the access, the opportunity and/or means to watch that video?

Now that the Pandemic is over, they have contacted you to say that it is now available for delivery but you'll have to pay for it again.  Don't worry though they'll give you a 40% discount because you've already given them the money for the television in the first place and they've provided a video that you didn't want.

Would you say that that is alright and that you'll pay the extra 60% and they can keep your original payment as well?

Curry's, like NTFC isn't a charity and a lot of people/families do not have a spare £2-300 (or more in TP's case) to donate to a charity let alone an organisation that they attend for 'entertainment' once a fortnight, that is primarily a business like any other.
I'm sure that they would much prefer to spend it on either themselves or the rest of their families, especially during this period of intense hardship.

I am not a STH, I could afford it if I was, but that doesn't mean that I would.
I wouldn't comment on anyone elses choice.
But the options needed to have included a full refund for those who want it.
Just as a comparison the saints are offering  a full range of options including roll over, refund and donation


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 24, 2021, 11:13:56 am
Yes my extra spend is massive - I only manage most Saturday home games but its 100's of miles so the saving this year has been massive but I do think the 40% is reasonable - however I think the name on the shirt in return for nothing is very mean - when I read it I assumed they were offering a shirt - standard cost of which can't be more than £20. It's also a bit sneaky/clever as they know a good percentage of folk who go for that option will also buy the shirt so they get short changed twice.
Good old Kelvin, apparently they have doubled the membership at Sawgrass in Florida, the man that promises fcuk all and delivers less.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Cobblerite on March 27, 2021, 19:24:40 pm
Just wondered what impact the clubs decision not to offer a full refund will have on next years season ticket sales. Surely even some of you who are glad to write off your previous season ticket payment will have second thoughts going forwards. With the risk of 3rd and 4th waves the impact next year may be just as great. Are fans really going to buy season tickets knowing the club will just take our money. For the first time since we moved to Sixfields I will not be buying a season ticket and I suspect I will not be alone. I am dismayed that the club have not offered a fair refund citing iFollow as justification and speaking only to so-called supporters representatives who clearly let their hearts rule their heads. Has the Chairman/owners written off their investments? I think not. To be clear I do not want this club to fail and I would gladly donate proportionate funds, where necessary, as we all have in the past. But why should the loyal season ticket holders alone have to feel financial pain. The club has/had other options which includes raising game prices for all next year but has unfairly, in my opinion, abused out past loyalty. Iím afraid this loyalty will not be blind moving forward and I suspect I am not alone.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on March 27, 2021, 21:38:29 pm
Trust emailed this to all members this evening...

Dear Trust member,

I attach a link to a season ticket charter from the Football Supporters' Association, which has been recently published to advise football fans of the clear principles all clubs should take into account when deciding the season ticket policy for 2021/22.

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/ticket-tcs-whats-fair-for-2021-22 

The Trust has shared the charter with Cobblers chief executive James Whiting, who assures us that NTFC will be bearing the points raised in mind when announcing their ticketing plans for next season.

We have represented those Trust members unhappy with the club's refunds/credits policy for 2020/21 tickets and urged the club to take individual cases into account, although by and large they appear to be sticking with their original thoughts around this.


The public survey Football Conversation engagement results will be publicised at the end of the month although I can tell you, in line with the poll of Trust members, there would appear to be strong consensus on the need for greater sustainability, transparency and accountability of clubs and also the need for exploration of other crisis ownership models and infrastructure improvement at Sixfields.

Our monthly board meetings will be held on Zoom for the foreseeable future - any member wishing to join a board meeting should email a request to board secretary Helen Hickman on ntfctrust1992@gmail.com

Best wishes and up the Cobblers!

Andy

Andy Roberts
Chairman


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: The 12th Marquis of Sixfields on March 27, 2021, 22:09:43 pm
Shout out to all those demanding refunds and criticising the clubs actions while drafting their posts bemoaning the lack of investment in the summer


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: tcobb on March 27, 2021, 22:14:32 pm
Spot on Marquis.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Winslow Lee on March 27, 2021, 22:15:25 pm
Shout out to all those demanding refunds and criticising the clubs actions while drafting their posts bemoaning the lack of investment in the summer

 ;D


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 27, 2021, 22:55:43 pm
Shout out to all those demanding refunds and criticising the clubs actions while drafting their posts bemoaning the lack of investment in the summer

It's inevitable.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Dan on March 27, 2021, 23:18:25 pm
On the flip side, there wasnít much bemoaning of lack of investment last summer from season ticket holders who invested then.

The only moaning youíll hear from me is from not shelling out the compensation sooner to rid up of Curle  ;D


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Shoemender on March 27, 2021, 23:26:56 pm
All season ticket holders obviously have the best interests of the club at heart. Some will renew next season whatever, some won't. Some can afford to finance the club without any expectations or guarantees of attending any games, some can't. That's it.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2021, 00:05:16 am
Exactly right Shormender. Nothing more to it.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 28, 2021, 01:31:45 am
Trust emailed this to all members this evening...

Dear Trust member,

I attach a link to a season ticket charter from the Football Supporters' Association, which has been recently published to advise football fans of the clear principles all clubs should take into account when deciding the season ticket policy for 2021/22.

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/ticket-tcs-whats-fair-for-2021-22 

The Trust has shared the charter with Cobblers chief executive James Whiting, who assures us that NTFC will be bearing the points raised in mind when announcing their ticketing plans for next season.

We have represented those Trust members unhappy with the club's refunds/credits policy for 2020/21 tickets and urged the club to take individual cases into account, although by and large they appear to be sticking with their original thoughts around this.


The public survey Football Conversation engagement results will be publicised at the end of the month although I can tell you, in line with the poll of Trust members, there would appear to be strong consensus on the need for greater sustainability, transparency and accountability of clubs and also the need for exploration of other crisis ownership models and infrastructure improvement at Sixfields.

Our monthly board meetings will be held on Zoom for the foreseeable future - any member wishing to join a board meeting should email a request to board secretary Helen Hickman on ntfctrust1992@gmail.com

Best wishes and up the Cobblers!

Andy

Andy Roberts
Chairman

Strange definition of 'all members', I appear not to be on their emailing list?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Carton Lid on March 28, 2021, 09:59:10 am
Have you filled in a GDPR form? If you haven't ,they cant use your email address.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 28, 2021, 11:55:45 am
Have you filled in a GDPR form? If you haven't ,they cant use your email address.

No, I'll have to wait for the snail mail version then..  8)
Unless I have to give permission for that method to be used as well?  ;)


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: DrillingCobbler on March 28, 2021, 13:18:20 pm
Shout out to all those demanding refunds and criticising the clubs actions while drafting their posts bemoaning the lack of investment in the summer

This is how I see it.

Football fans often criticise their clubs owners for not spending enough money, yet moan if a hot dog goes up in price. The way I see it is simple. When I bought our season tickets this season, I knew that there was a bloody good chance Id be throwing money down the drain, for obvious reasons.

The iplayer restrictions is what irritates me the most, and clubs should have been publicly lobbying the EFL to lift them so EVERYONE with a pass can link up their devices to their tv. Clearly its just luck with what TV/phone/app you've got/run it through as to whether or not it works on a big screen.  I also think that this seasons season ticket holders could/should be offered i player passes for next seasons away games as a sweetener for their continued loyalty. Clubs have the chance to budget accordingly in the Summer again, and if that initiative was offered across the board, it would create a level playing field where all clubs could handle the difficulty with regards to refunds etc in the same way.

What we will see for sure is those clubs who have offered full refunds and have large take ups, will budget accordingly next season and end up with a worse team than they would have had.  Unless of course they are owned by a sugar daddy. Id rather they keep my money on the basis that it will help us be more competitive next season. Fortunately I can afford it, but if I couldn't I wouldn't have bought season tickets in the first place. Plus Im a mug when it comes to the Cobblers!  ;D


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: BackOfTheNet on March 28, 2021, 14:00:57 pm
I must admit, I struggle to understand why they lock iFollow down so much. I fully understand why Sky etc stop you streaming content to big screens because it conflicts with their other commercial offerings like multiroom and Sky Q. IFollow though there's no other alternative. You can plug a laptop directly into a screen regardless of whether you are in a house or a pub, so the streaming restrictions don't prevent piracy, they just make life difficult for the average punter.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Coolcat on March 28, 2021, 14:17:19 pm
Just as a comparison the saints are offering  a full range of options including roll over, refund and donation
Saints offering a 'donation' option! Surely any donations could be put to Harry & Meghan's security arrangements, Royal medical bills or BJ's new plane?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Carton Lid on March 28, 2021, 14:19:05 pm
I think that the club haven't really thought how the could reward STH that don't ask for a refund, they have just took the easy option. The name on the shirt is a start but let the STH's buy the shirts with a good discount. If we don't stay up the 1897 restaurant is unlikely to sell out every game, so when it doesn't they could offer a table (10), free to STH's and, as the catering is in house, it wouldn't cost much more than £40, which they would more than cover with bar takings and raffles. Offer them free raffle tickets for "Money can't buy" prizes like match worn shirts, VIP match days, sit in the Chairman's seat on match days (it's usually free  ;)), visit to training days, have your photo took with the squad pre season, there are loads of things if you have a think about it.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 28, 2021, 14:28:43 pm
I wonder how they'll do with this?

https://www.mkdons.com/news/2021/march/season-tickets---watch-a-season-of-football-at-stadium-mk-for-no-more-than-10-per-game/

Those who didn't claim a refund for this season will get 25% off those prices too..... £172.50 for a season ticket.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: everbrite on March 28, 2021, 14:34:10 pm
Saints offering a 'donation' option! Surely any donations could be put to Harry & Meghan's security arrangements, Royal medical bills or BJ's new plane?

You are just winding up the politicoís!  ;D


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: cobblertone on March 28, 2021, 16:20:40 pm
I think that the club haven't really thought how the could reward STH that don't ask for a refund, they have just took the easy option. The name on the shirt is a start but let the STH's buy the shirts with a good discount. If we don't stay up the 1897 restaurant is unlikely to sell out every game, so when it doesn't they could offer a table (10), free to STH's and, as the catering is in house, it wouldn't cost much more than £40, which they would more than cover with bar takings and raffles. Offer them free raffle tickets for "Money can't buy" prizes like match worn shirts, VIP match days, sit in the Chairman's seat on match days (it's usually free  ;)), visit to training days, have your photo took with the squad pre season, there are loads of things if you have a think about it.

They should have just given everyone who didnít ask for anything back a free shirt (or maybe £40 to spend in the club shop) for next season.
Relatively low cost and recognition for the gesture. It probably wouldnít make too much difference to peopleís decision making but the case doesnít always have to be financial.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 29, 2021, 09:54:19 am
A season ticket is the price of a season ticket whether you go to games or not. It's ridiculous to state that you can't afford to pay for something, because you might not be getting a return from it, unless you are mad enough to see it as an investment.



Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 29, 2021, 11:18:11 am
A season ticket is the price of a season ticket whether you go to games or not. It's ridiculous to state that you can't afford to pay for something, because you might not be getting a return from it, unless you are mad enough to see it as an investment.



Not sure that I understand your statement?
If I pay for something or a service, I expect to receive that item or that service.
It's not a case of not being able to afford it, it's the fact that we/you are being expected to pay for something that we/you haven't received without a full refund option.
If you miss a couple of games throughout the season because of personal circumstances, that is different because you understand that when you purchase the ticket.  However, not being able to watch/attend any of the games that you have paid for is a different dynamic.
The option for a full refund should have been made available, it is then a personal choice.

I booked to see a show that was cancelled/postponed because of the Pandemic. 
I was offered a full refund or the opportunity to attend that or another show once the Pandemic was over, I chose to leave my payment with the theatre, where it still lies.
I am not a Season Ticket Holder for NTFC.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 29, 2021, 11:33:39 am

If I pay for something or a service, I expect to receive that item or that service.
It's not a case of not being able to afford it, it's the fact that we/you are being expected to pay for something that we/you haven't received without a full refund option.


I absolutely understand what you say.

My point is merely, that the issue is not about finances. It is about exercising a choice in the very exceptional circumstances.

From a personal perspective, I will buy one because I can afford to. I will do so, entirely in the knowledge that at any point the government could change the circumstances of my ability to attend. I am happy to do so, because I would have been buying it anyway, so I have budgeted for that. And because I want to support the club through this mess.

There are quite a lot of organisations that haven't refunded during the pandemic. But the main one I would like to see still standing afterwards is NTFC.

I genuinely accept that everyone feels different about it. Hence the reason, why once again, they are going to upset some people no matter what way they turn.



Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on March 29, 2021, 11:49:00 am
I absolutely understand what you say.

My point is merely, that the issue is not about finances. It is about exercising a choice in the very exceptional circumstances.

From a personal perspective, I will buy one because I can afford to. I will do so, entirely in the knowledge that at any point the government could change the circumstances of my ability to attend. I am happy to do so, because I would have been buying it anyway, so I have budgeted for that. And because I want to support the club through this mess.

There are quite a lot of organisations that haven't refunded during the pandemic. But the main one I would like to see still standing afterwards is NTFC.

I genuinely accept that everyone feels different about it. Hence the reason, why once again, they are going to upset some people no matter what way they turn.


Agree totally.
But the club, by not offering a full refund, have removed one of the options for an item/service that has not been provided, irrespective of whose fault it is/was.
Like you, I would have thought that the majority will choose to forfeit the cost. 
But there will be some, either as a matter of principle or for a justifiably financial reason would like to have the opportunity to not.   ;)


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: runningcobbler on March 29, 2021, 17:24:12 pm
Do we know when the club will actually tell us how much the season tickets will cost next season? Id imagine theres a few just waiting on that to make their decision on what to do.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 29, 2021, 19:17:34 pm
Suspect nearer the time we know which division weíll be playing in.... 6 weeks until the end of the season.
Will be easier to justify a price increase if we stay up....if we go down and the prices go up that will not go down well Iíd assume....?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 29, 2021, 23:08:15 pm
Suspect nearer the time we know which division weíll be playing in.... 6 weeks until the end of the season.
Will be easier to justify a price increase if we stay up....if we go down and the prices go up that will not go down well Iíd assume....?
To be honest the apathy that runs through the whole club no one give a sh1t, supporters, players, chairman even the fans!
Tone from the top!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on March 30, 2021, 09:35:44 am
I know that the trust have contacted the club on behalf of some disgruntled supporters & made them aware the whole "elite" supporter element is totally unacceptable & were expecting the club to make a statement clarifying this...this was over two weeks ago so I guess then club are not reconsidering anything from their original statement..absolutely disgraceful imo!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on March 30, 2021, 11:43:46 am
I just really want to get back in the ground and watch bloody football. For all the cr@p that goes on around it, my greatest love is that 90 minutes.

I know there are a ton of issues around the redev and huge political implications in the fore. But putting all of that aside, there has to be a way of doing it safely now.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 30, 2021, 11:59:17 am
I know that the trust have contacted the club on behalf of some disgruntled supporters & made them aware the whole "elite" supporter element is totally unacceptable & were expecting the club to make a statement clarifying this...this was over two weeks ago so I guess then club are not reconsidering anything from their original statement..absolutely disgraceful imo!
Itís pretty obvious that the club holds the trust in utter contempt, the voice of the fans, says it all really.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: CJ on March 30, 2021, 13:39:28 pm
Was the stipulation that at take over a Trust representative be restored to the NTFC board part of the agreement something I dreamed, or has it just been ignored/forgotten about?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Battery Man on March 30, 2021, 13:59:11 pm
Itís pretty obvious that the club holds the trust in utter contempt, the voice of the fans, says it all really.


I am not sure I agree that the trust are the voice of the fans, I know a lot of fans who will not have anything to do with them. I guess there is still some guilt by association where they were on board with Cardoza and didn't highlight any problems until it had come from various other sources. I am not saying there isn't a role for the trust I just wonder how many fans see the trust as their voice. Many would probably say that one of various facebook groups are their voice.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Carton Lid on March 30, 2021, 14:22:14 pm
I am not sure I agree that the trust are the voice of the fans, I know a lot of fans who will not have anything to do with them. I guess there is still some guilt by association where they were on board with Cardoza and didn't highlight any problems until it had come from various other sources.

I am amazed that we have fans "who will not have anything to do with Trust" , an organisation where the board are 100% NTFC fans standing to make no financial gain on any activities , but implicitly trust owners who have publicly stated that they are NOT NTFC fans and stand to make substantial amounts off future land deals. 
        What the anti Trust people don't mention is that it is a 100% democratic organisation and if the members don't like things the Trust is doing, they can change it. Of course it's the voice of the fans, obviously the more people join the louder the voice, but the only alternatives are a few people who run a semi redundant bus club or half a dozen people who run the various social media sites, none of which are democratic.



Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: SadOldGit on March 30, 2021, 14:50:15 pm
I am not sure I agree that the trust are the voice of the fans, I know a lot of fans who will not have anything to do with them. I guess there is still some guilt by association where they were on board with Cardoza and didn't highlight any problems until it had come from various other sources. I am not saying there isn't a role for the trust I just wonder how many fans see the trust as their voice. Many would probably say that one of various facebook groups are their voice.


I cannot understand this at all. Why would fans not have anything to do with them? They are the central platform for fans of the club. Anybody can join and anybody can get involved and therefore change what they do if they want. If they are seriously anti-Trust then there is more to it. Are these 'Facebook Groups' elected? Are they accountable? Are they transparent? From what I have seen of Facebook they are almost certainly self-serving.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Coolcat on March 30, 2021, 15:11:06 pm
I cannot understand this at all. Why would fans not have anything to do with them? They are the central platform for fans of the club. Anybody can join and anybody can get involved and therefore change what they do if they want. If they are seriously anti-Trust then there is more to it. Are these 'Facebook Groups' elected? Are they accountable? Are they transparent? From what I have seen of Facebook they are almost certainly self-serving.
Agree with this entirely.
Cannot see how any FB group represents the fanbase more than the Trust, never mind actually doing anything for the fans or club. Usually a collection of banal at best, smart arse at worst comments!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Risdene on March 30, 2021, 15:14:53 pm
I am amazed that we have fans "who will not have anything to do with Trust" , an organisation where the board are 100% NTFC fans standing to make no financial gain on any activities , but implicitly trust owners who have publicly stated that they are NOT NTFC fans and stand to make substantial amounts off future land deals. 
        What the anti Trust people don't mention is that it is a 100% democratic organisation and if the members don't like things the Trust is doing, they can change it. Of course it's the voice of the fans, obviously the more people join the louder the voice, but the only alternatives are a few people who run a semi redundant bus club or half a dozen people who run the various social media sites, none of which are democratic.



100% agree

Will even one of the anti-trust keyboard warriors tell us what alternative they propose !


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Battery Man on March 30, 2021, 15:57:33 pm
I am amazed that we have fans "who will not have anything to do with Trust" , an organisation where the board are 100% NTFC fans standing to make no financial gain on any activities , but implicitly trust owners who have publicly stated that they are NOT NTFC fans and stand to make substantial amounts off future land deals. 
        What the anti Trust people don't mention is that it is a 100% democratic organisation and if the members don't like things the Trust is doing, they can change it. Of course it's the voice of the fans, obviously the more people join the louder the voice, but the only alternatives are a few people who run a semi redundant bus club or half a dozen people who run the various social media sites, none of which are democratic.



I don't think it is a case of people necessarily being anti trust, just because they don't support them. Likewise there is no need to run down other supporters outlets with comments like semi redundant bus club or your comment about the social media sites. I also don't think people outside of the trust support the owners, I agree the owners are in it to make a profit and tbh I would like to see them gone, but running down other supporters organisations isn't the right way to go. How many members do the trust have? just done a quick check on the hotelenders - 2900 members, shoe army 1000 members, granted these aren't all active but then neither are the trust members. All I was pointing out was that not everyone who supports NTFC has to support the trust.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Carton Lid on March 30, 2021, 16:15:02 pm
I don't think it is a case of people necessarily being anti trust, just because they don't support them. Likewise there is no need to run down other supporters outlets with comments like semi redundant bus club or your comment about the social media sites.
I'm not running them down at all, I'm just pointing out that they are not democratic. I have used all travel clubs in the past, but to be honest, I think it's going to be very different for all of them post Covid, that's why I described them as "semi redundant". Good luck to them all.
  I read most of the social media sites on FB but, again, they are not democratic, they are influenced and run by their owners. The Trust are the only group of fans at NTFC that is anything like democratic. No they are not perfect, which they are well aware of, but you say there are people who "they don't support the Trust", I'd love to know why? 
    An open question to all, I know there are people on here who are very anti Trust, what are you reasons for being anti?, what could the Trust do to change your view?   Serious question, because as in all walks of life, people are stronger together and we are all fans of NTFC aren't we ?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 30, 2021, 17:12:13 pm
I don't think it is a case of people necessarily being anti trust, just because they don't support them. Likewise there is no need to run down other supporters outlets with comments like semi redundant bus club or your comment about the social media sites. I also don't think people outside of the trust support the owners, I agree the owners are in it to make a profit and tbh I would like to see them gone, but running down other supporters organisations isn't the right way to go. How many members do the trust have? just done a quick check on the hotelenders - 2900 members, shoe army 1000 members, granted these aren't all active but then neither are the trust members. All I was pointing out was that not everyone who supports NTFC has to support the trust.

I wonder how many "members" Hotelenders or Shoe Army would have if people had to pay to join? Not comparing like with like when talking about numbers of Facebook group members vs Trust members.....the majority of whom are life members and paid £50 each to be so.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: CJ on March 30, 2021, 20:45:00 pm
I wonder how many "members" Hotelenders or Shoe Army would have if people had to pay to join? Not comparing like with like when talking about numbers of Facebook group members vs Trust members.....the majority of whom are life members and paid £50 each to be so.
You might be on to something there Grange.
I know yearly membership of the Trust is hardly expensive, but if supporters could join free of charge (with voluntary donations accepted) it might help to increase the feeling of inclusivity and swell the numbers?
As a life member I would have mo problem with that.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Zen Master on March 30, 2021, 21:22:04 pm
Unless Jeema is the leader I ainít interested, unless itís Mr Cadden then maybe.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Coolcat on March 30, 2021, 21:53:54 pm
Unless Jeema is the leader I ainít interested, unless itís Mr Cadden then maybe.
Work is being done tirelessly, to have Mr Cadden return as a guest speaker to celebrate the inauguration of page 1415 of the Redevelopment Thread.
Details to be announced.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 31, 2021, 18:05:43 pm
Unless Jeema is the leader I ainít interested, unless itís Mr Cadden then maybe.
Seconded.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on March 31, 2021, 18:41:02 pm
On a turnover of £5.376m, how much of that do we think is season ticket revenue?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 31, 2021, 20:41:36 pm
On a turnover of £5.376m, how much of that do we think is season ticket revenue?
Between £1-£1.2.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 31, 2021, 20:44:56 pm
Just goes to show how much the club made, £1m Goode, £1m cup run still KT couldnít afford Oliver.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: west stand oap on March 31, 2021, 20:52:01 pm
Manny I'm not sure it would be as high as that amount. If we have 3000 season ticket holders that works out as £333 - £400 per ticket. I payed £380 for 2 tickets plus an additional £60 for a seasons parking ticket, that was £280 for my oap ticket and £100 for an under 18 ticket. Bear in mind there are quite alot of oap tickets and as well as under 18's at £100 those under 7 get free tickets and there are a few of those. Also the north stand prices will be lower than the west.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 31, 2021, 20:59:16 pm
Manny I'm not sure it would be as high as that amount. If we have 3000 season ticket holders that works out as £333 - £400 per ticket. I payed £380 for 2 tickets plus an additional £60 for a seasons parking ticket, that was £280 for my oap ticket and £100 for an under 18 ticket. Bear in mind there are quite alot of oap tickets and as well as under 18's at £100 those under 7 get free tickets and there are a few of those. Also the north stand prices will be lower than the west.
I think you are probably correct there mate, Iím still in shock at the turnover!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on March 31, 2021, 21:32:02 pm
£4.8m owed to Belle de Jour and £1.3m owed to Ventures.
That promotion season cost the club £6m.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 08, 2021, 17:25:50 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-freeze-season-ticket-prices-for-10th-successive-year-3193940


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 08, 2021, 17:58:34 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-freeze-season-ticket-prices-for-10th-successive-year-3193940

Good stuff....well done club!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on April 08, 2021, 19:56:47 pm
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-freeze-season-ticket-prices-for-10th-successive-year-3193940

Well done NTFC...


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Cobblerite on April 08, 2021, 20:03:41 pm
What freezing it at £380 per game. Yes well done NTFC.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 08, 2021, 22:05:09 pm
No increase for ten years is remarkable really. What else hasn't increased in price in ten years?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on April 08, 2021, 22:18:02 pm
Well, the club haven't bothered to clarify the whole "elite supporter" statement, which was sent to all existing season ticket holders so I've requested a refund for the time being...

After being a season ticket holder since Sixfields opened, I don't want to be down the pecking order if restrictions come back into place, just because some one season wonder decided not to ask for a refund.

Everyone is entitled to donate, ask for a credit or refund...it's purely an individual decision

Personally, pretty sure I will still renew just before the deadline, providing the club clarify their "elite supporter" statement and there is clarity regarding Covid passport requirements to attend games.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 08, 2021, 22:20:45 pm
No increase for ten years is remarkable really. What else hasn't increased in price in ten years?

Electrical appliances?

Bizarrely petrol today is cheaper than it was 10 years ago!! Average price for a litre of unleaded in May 2011 was £1.369..... around 9p more expensive than today!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on April 08, 2021, 23:01:40 pm
No increase for ten years is remarkable really. What else hasn't increased in price in ten years?
Televisions, laptops, phone bills...........


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: SadOldGit on April 09, 2021, 07:29:57 am
What about all the talk of not taking refunds etc cos the club needs the spondoolies? Surely the prudent approach would have been a significant jump in the price?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: guest3428 on April 09, 2021, 11:35:56 am
What freezing it at £380 per game. Yes well done NTFC.
Exactly my thoughts.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on April 16, 2021, 11:26:36 am
Interesting piece from Accy regarding 2021/22 season tickets...

https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/news/2021/april/season-ticket-update/ (https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/news/2021/april/season-ticket-update/)

1   When will fans be allowed back into the stadiums?

We are meeting regularly with EFL with the return of fans top of the agenda. The governmentís roadmap will shape as to when fans will be able to return with the governmentís Ďall restrictions liftedí date of June 21st being the catalyst as to when the stadium gates will reopen.

The EFL are currently looking at four different scenarios of 100%, 50%, 25% and 0% capacity being allowed back into stadiums. The Department of Public Health (DPH) will also have a say as to how many will be allowed back dependant on the local infection rates at that time.

2    When will Season Tickets go on sale?

We are holding off release dates for Season 2021/22 season tickets until we have EFL and DPH confirmation of when and how many supporters will be allowed back into the Wham Stadium. We donít want to be in the same position as we were in late September 2020 when the government stated we were allowed 1,000 season ticket holders into a stadium test event only to put the Covid restrictions back in place a few days prior to the event taking place.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: cobblertone on April 16, 2021, 11:56:11 am
I think the 'all restrictions lifted' on June 21st will be an interesting one.
It implies what it says but can't see it without elements of mask wearing, lateral flow testing, social distancing etc in certain environments.
For example, everyone returning to the office is definitely a thing of the past.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 16, 2021, 22:58:20 pm
Bought a Northants T20 season ticket for this season, £99, and now received it with a letter saying you need to order an eticket for each game (free) and will be allocated a seat (not of your choosing). So you can't just sit anywhere, or meet a mate there and sit together, unless they're in your season ticket bubble. Kind of takes the joy out of it now. The T20 season runs June/July so after the infamous 21st June "anything goes" date.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on April 26, 2021, 13:02:40 pm
As the club probably won't be promoting this, plus there will be a social media blackout, from this Friday til the following Monday...

Deadline for season ticket credit / refunds is this Friday 30th April

KT said in his last interview that hardly anyone has requested either of these options btw...


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on April 26, 2021, 13:10:39 pm
As the club probably won't be promoting this, plus there will be a social media blackout, from this Friday til the following Monday...

Deadline for season ticket credit / refunds is this Friday 30th April

KT said in his last interview that hardly anyone has requested either of these options btw...
;D Course they havenít.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 26, 2021, 14:54:11 pm
As the club probably won't be promoting this, plus there will be a social media blackout, from this Friday til the following Monday...

Deadline for season ticket credit / refunds is this Friday 30th April

KT said in his last interview that hardly anyone has requested either of these options btw...

He would say that, wouldn't he?  :o

Well I've requested two credits and one refund from our three.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Carton Lid on April 26, 2021, 15:18:27 pm
He would say that, wouldn't he?  :o

Well I've requested two credits and one refund from our three.
That's you on the naughty step, just think how gutted you will be when we reach the FA Cup Final and tickets are tight !    ;D


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 26, 2021, 15:24:35 pm
That's you on the naughty step, just think how gutted you will be when we reach the FA Cup Final and tickets are tight !    ;D

 ;D

I am still getting two season tickets for next season (credit option), only one of my son's doesn't wish to go anymore. So, I should be okay.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Zen Master on April 26, 2021, 16:00:36 pm
Credit option x2 for me. As Iíve used the free iFollow service at £10 a pop and only seen one game which was a non event of drabness I feel that I should be getting something off of next season.
Frankly Iím suprised Iím renewing yet again.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 26, 2021, 16:37:12 pm

Frankly Iím suprised Iím renewing yet again.


Same here mate. I must be mad or just sad, because I haven't got anything better to do on a Saturday afternoon  :P


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 26, 2021, 17:01:12 pm
I'm going to put my Trust hat on here and ask season ticket holders if they are going to renew or if they are not and the reason why you're not....... trying to get a better understanding of potential issues, thoughts, feelings.



Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: guest3428 on April 26, 2021, 17:42:17 pm
I have chosen the full refund option. I will not be renewing. My memory maybe somewhat clouded in terms of times and what was said but my understanding was that if season tickets were bought accepting we might not get a full season it would allow the club to finance a squad equipped for league one. It was a market full of players available due to covid and the club/manager could pick and choose. As it turned out the squad assembled was anything but and looked every bit like a squad assembled with good house keeping being the prime target. Then there was free i follow. Now that is of no interest to me but suited others. As we reach the season climax we have seen one match and the renewals are here.The free i follow for season ticket holders wasn't free but charged for. Now I accept that everyone has a point of view and differ on what is right or otherwise but the failure to offer a full refund I think is wrong. I do think that even if it was offered many wouldn't have taken it ,the i followers for example. I requested a full refund but got the standard letter reply terms and conditions blah blah. I will have to make a point of studying the terms and conditions in the future but I didn't and that was my own fault. Sorry to go on GPC but you did ask.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Teachers Pet on April 26, 2021, 17:46:34 pm
I'm going to put my Trust hat on here and ask season ticket holders if they are going to renew or if they are not and the reason why you're not....... trying to get a better understanding of potential issues, thoughts, feelings.


As you can see above, 2 out of 3 season tickets to be renewed. The reason my oldest son isn't renewing is the thought of league 2 football again and unfortunately he just doesn't have the enthusiasm for it anymore. He still may attend the occasional fixture though.  


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Shoemender on April 26, 2021, 18:11:07 pm
I'm going to put my Trust hat on here and ask season ticket holders if they are going to renew or if they are not and the reason why you're not....... trying to get a better understanding of potential issues, thoughts, feelings.



I will definitely be renewing and won't be requesting any sort of refund. As I stated in an earlier post, I've actually saved money this season overall by not going and despite spending £10 on every away game, have saved a fortune by not going and normally go to most. The club are struggling financially due to covid and even without covid would still be struggling so they could do with every penny us supporters can spare and if you think about it you're not out of pocket. We all know the football has been pretty awful most of the time and we're almost certainly going to get relegated, but what's new, we're used to it. As people have probably gathered, I'm not KTs biggest fan, but just because I'm not enamoured with the man at the top, I'll still  be supporting our club as best as I can.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Dan on April 26, 2021, 20:57:31 pm
He would say that, wouldn't he?  :o

Well I've requested two credits and one refund from our three.

4 refunds from my group of 5.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Shoemender on April 26, 2021, 21:01:10 pm
4 refunds from my group of 5.
Who are their prem teams?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 26, 2021, 21:23:36 pm
We went for the credit option in the end but will be buying all 3 season tickets for next season.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on April 26, 2021, 22:42:08 pm
Wonít be renewing my ST, I wouldnít mind if Thomas invested in the team or the stadium but he doesnít.
Iíll give it a miss till heís gone, will attend the odd game.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Cobblerite on April 26, 2021, 22:52:10 pm
I wonít be renewing for the first time in 20 plus years. The same T&Cís that the Chairman has abused this year are there again next year. The difference being I have read them and know not to trust him. He behaves like a used car salesman and our club is now an old jalopy. I want him gone and although it hurts I wonít be giving him any more support.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 26, 2021, 22:59:52 pm
Ive taken the credit option so will renew next season for £230 which works out at £10 per game. I've endured ifollow which has been an acceptable alternative so that's a fair deal for me. Not going has also saved me money and time. With football you pay for a product with no guarantee of the quality you will see. We've been lacking quality all season but, especially in the lower leagues that's not unusual.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on April 27, 2021, 00:53:19 am
Wonít be renewing my ST, I wouldnít mind if Thomas invested in the team or the stadium but he doesnít.
Iíll give it a miss till heís gone, will attend the odd game.

You didnít have a ST this season did you Manny?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on April 27, 2021, 00:56:58 am
I will be renewing my ST and havenít asked for a refund.
I thought thatís what supporters did?
No judging from me though - times are financially tough for a lot of folks. Family always trumps NTFC - only thing that does though!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Risdene on April 27, 2021, 05:32:34 am
I will be renewing my ST and havenít asked for a refund.
I thought thatís what supporters did?
No judging from me though - times are financially tough for a lot of folks. Family always trumps NTFC - only thing that does though!
Our group of eight are all renewing.................see you next season!


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: threeinabed on April 27, 2021, 07:11:17 am
I will be renewing my ST and havenít asked for a refund.
I thought thatís what supporters did?
No judging from me though - times are financially tough for a lot of folks. Family always trumps NTFC - only thing that does though!

slightly contradicted yourself with that last comment


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on April 27, 2021, 07:36:27 am
slightly contradicted yourself with that last comment

See what you mean - didnít mean to.
Just meant that Iím lucky and havenít been adversely affected financially by COVID. So, itís a no brainer for me to ďsupportĒ the club I love. Others who are not so lucky clearly have better uses for their £300.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on April 27, 2021, 08:14:04 am
You didnít have a ST this season did you Manny?
You are indeed correct Jim, but I donít count this season as itís been ďvirtualĒ.
I have been a season ticket holder since the raffle tickets for the hotel end, whilst I support the club and have poured god knows how much into it over the years the under funding of basically everything coupled with the broken promises is enough for me.
Iím not saying I wonít attend, the thought of Barrow at home on a Tuesday isnít that appealing TBH.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on April 27, 2021, 09:06:18 am
No refund... Will be renewing.

I donít like those involved in it anymore. But I love football.



Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: tcobb on April 27, 2021, 12:00:03 pm
Nice one Fenners. That's what it's all about, watching your team playing football, having a day out with mates etc, the whole thing.
It's OK being the hero and withdrawing your support in some type of protest, but if people do that then it's self punishment, fair enough if you're into that sort of thing, but why would anybody take away the whole football day from themselves ? Just to prove a point.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 27, 2021, 12:55:51 pm
As the club probably won't be promoting this, plus there will be a social media blackout, from this Friday til the following Monday...

Deadline for season ticket credit / refunds is this Friday 30th April

KT said in his last interview that hardly anyone has requested either of these options btw...

To be fair, I got an email reminding me this morning and my daughter got a letter from the club last week as they don't have an email address for her (what with her being 3!)


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: LawfordCob on April 27, 2021, 12:56:23 pm
You are indeed correct Jim, but I donít count this season as itís been ďvirtualĒ.
I have been a season ticket holder since the raffle tickets for the hotel end, whilst I support the club and have poured god knows how much into it over the years the under funding of basically everything coupled with the broken promises is enough for me.
Iím not saying I wonít attend, the thought of Barrow at home on a Tuesday isnít that appealing TBH.

Slightly more appealing than Barrow away on a Tuesday  


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Manwork04 on April 27, 2021, 14:44:18 pm
Slightly more appealing than Barrow away on a Tuesday  
Iíd rather go away, never been to Barrow, find a decent pub and have a few beers.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on April 27, 2021, 14:49:16 pm
You are indeed correct Jim, but I donít count this season as itís been ďvirtualĒ.
I have been a season ticket holder since the raffle tickets for the hotel end, whilst I support the club and have poured god knows how much into it over the years the under funding of basically everything coupled with the broken promises is enough for me.
Iím not saying I wonít attend, the thought of Barrow at home on a Tuesday isnít that appealing TBH.

I know what you mean Manny but at the moment the thought of any home game gets my juices flowing!
Love Tuesday night games as well - even against Barrow!
Gunna miss all those juicy local derbys though - no Franchise, no Poxford, no Pish to look forward too!
( thatís assuming we go down which I am now resigned to).


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: singcobb on April 27, 2021, 14:51:03 pm
To be fair, I got an email reminding me this morning and my daughter got a letter from the club last week as they don't have an email address for her (what with her being 3!)

You Luddite, I suppose you burnt her tablet aswell  ;D


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: WadeyCobbler on April 28, 2021, 22:43:21 pm
Renewed today taking the credit option. That can't be done online. Phoned around 12noon, got call back at around 3pm as only certain staff could authorise and process the credit option. Was told most have taken the credit option and around 500 fans have made the donation to have their names on the special shirt. Surprised it was that high.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: everbrite on April 29, 2021, 11:12:37 am
I have chosen the full refund option. I will not be renewing. My memory maybe somewhat clouded in terms of times and what was said but my understanding was that if season tickets were bought accepting we might not get a full season it would allow the club to finance a squad equipped for league one. It was a market full of players available due to covid and the club/manager could pick and choose. As it turned out the squad assembled was anything but and looked every bit like a squad assembled with good house keeping being the prime target. Then there was free i follow. Now that is of no interest to me but suited others. As we reach the season climax we have seen one match and the renewals are here.The free i follow for season ticket holders wasn't free but charged for. Now I accept that everyone has a point of view and differ on what is right or otherwise but the failure to offer a full refund I think is wrong. I do think that even if it was offered many wouldn't have taken it ,the i followers for example. I requested a full refund but got the standard letter reply terms and conditions blah blah. I will have to make a point of studying the terms and conditions in the future but I didn't and that was my own fault. Sorry to go on GPC but you did ask.

After reading this unfortunate message of hard done by; I immediately took up the Credit Option. Thanks Andes you made me made me take a positive decision ,  for once that is.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: cobblertone on April 29, 2021, 11:29:06 am
STís aside (which Iím sure will take a hit) itíll all depend how we start next season.
People will be desperate to get out and about. If we start well and play some decent, winning football we could get some healthy crowds. If itís crap theyíll go to theme parks or the cinema.
I think football attendances (restrictions permitting) will bounce back to record numbers in the next year or two.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on April 29, 2021, 12:19:18 pm
Thanks for responses, gives me an idea of what people are doing...useful information.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: guest3428 on April 29, 2021, 13:39:11 pm
After reading this unfortunate message of hard done by; I immediately took up the Credit Option. Thanks Andes you made me made me take a positive decision ,  for once that is.
el senor sarcastico responde de nuevo


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: everbrite on April 29, 2021, 16:23:46 pm
el senor sarcastico responde de nuevo

 ;D Good one! You have I think been on here under anotherID  8)


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: CJ on April 29, 2021, 20:13:17 pm
I will be buying a season ticket for 2021/22, not renewing because I didnt have one this season It's (normally) what I do.


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: EB Claret on April 29, 2021, 22:34:26 pm
I have donated my refund to the club and realise I am fortunate to be able to do this. Because I have a senior ticket and used ifollow I think of myself as about £2 down per game. Everybody's circumstances and feelings are different so anyone's choice of refund/donation/credit is fair enough.
I will also be renewing next season. UTC.   


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: everbrite on April 30, 2021, 13:46:05 pm
I have chosen the full refund option. I will not be renewing. ...............................etc etc


So what happened to Andes?


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: Alfred on April 30, 2021, 17:10:02 pm
No refund or Credit,  next seasons tickets purchased x 8 from our group.



Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: everbrite on April 30, 2021, 17:35:07 pm
No refund or Credit,  next seasons tickets purchased x 8 from our group.



Well done Alfred


Title: Re: Season ticket holders
Post by: guest3440 on April 30, 2021, 17:39:17 pm
So what happened to Andes?
con te partiro