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The Hotel End => Cobblers Corner => Topic started by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on April 27, 2021, 09:23:16 am



Title: Ours
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on April 27, 2021, 09:23:16 am
Must have been mentioned on here somewhere. “Ours” what a fantastic documentary, one of the recent great BT sport documentaries. Not sure if they are repeats. But “Ours” will resonate with all of us and certainly a lesson in why mobilisation not negotiation works at our level and in our circumstances.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Manwork04 on April 27, 2021, 17:21:43 pm
I’m giving it a watch tonight Tel.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Manwork04 on April 27, 2021, 23:32:22 pm
Damming of “speculative “ chairman.
Football is currently driven by greed, including ours.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Winslow Lee on April 28, 2021, 08:12:16 am
Damming of “speculative “ chairman.

Are you talking about clubs who overspend beyond their means in an attempt to get success?


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Manwork04 on April 28, 2021, 12:13:51 pm
Are you talking about clubs who overspend beyond their means in an attempt to get success?
No I talking about greedy fcuking chairman who speculate in clubs to make money and don’t give two sh1ts about the club or supporters.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 28, 2021, 12:26:45 pm
No I talking about greedy fcuking chairman who speculate in clubs to make money and don’t give two sh1ts about the club or supporters.


ESL?  ;D
Just read that Real Madrid are over £1bn in debt with no foreseeable possibility of retrieving it, even without the Pandemic, no wonder they were keen on the ESL!  :o ::)


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Winslow Lee on April 28, 2021, 12:44:09 pm
ESL?  ;D
Just read that Real Madrid are over £1bn in debt with no foreseeable possibility of retrieving it, even without the Pandemic, no wonder they were keen on the ESL!  :o ::)

Maybe the Spanish government will just buy their training ground again to wipe out the debt.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Manwork04 on April 28, 2021, 12:45:39 pm
ESL?  ;D
Just read that Real Madrid are over £1bn in debt with no foreseeable possibility of retrieving it, even without the Pandemic, no wonder they were keen on the ESL!  :o ::)
I think football attracts a certain “type” of individuals as chairman, they are selfish, egotistical and greedy.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Manwork04 on April 28, 2021, 12:46:53 pm
Maybe the Spanish government will just buy their training ground again to wipe out the debt.
Are you saying the Spanish government are corrupt?


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on April 28, 2021, 22:10:08 pm
Anybody else watched it?


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on April 29, 2021, 07:10:11 am
Anybody else watched it?

It's on BT?  That'll limit my and others ability to watch it?


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: SadOldGit on April 29, 2021, 07:30:47 am
King Rocker, now that is a fillum.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 29, 2021, 13:27:05 pm
It's on BT?  That'll limit my and others ability to watch it?

https://www.bt.com/sport/watch/video/clips/2021/april/watch-for-free-bt-sport-films-ours (https://www.bt.com/sport/watch/video/clips/2021/april/watch-for-free-bt-sport-films-ours)

Just watching it on here now.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 29, 2021, 14:51:15 pm
It was an interesting watch but hugely romanticised and idealistic in its outlook.

The reality is that nearly all of the examples of fan ownership/control used are either an unmitigated disaster like Ebbsfleet or are scratching around in the lower echelons of the league pyramid like Lewes, Rushden or Hashtag Utd (not that they are properly fan owned anyway). It's early days for AFC Bury but it sounds like it's proving to be hugely divisive amongst the fans with a lot of ill-will and finger pointing going on.

Pompey got themselves out of a hole via fan ownership but then sold to Michael Eisner so they could push on. The only one that really stands out as a genuine success is AFC Wimbledon, who have done fantastically well to get from nowhere, back into the league and ultimately back to Plough Lane. It's fairy tale stuff, but I fear it is the exception rather than the rule.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Shoemender on April 29, 2021, 14:51:46 pm
King Rocker, now that is a fillum.

It certainly is.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Carton Lid on April 29, 2021, 15:26:13 pm
The reality is that nearly all of the examples of fan ownership/control used are either an unmitigated disaster like Ebbsfleet or are scratching around in the lower echelons of the league pyramid like Lewes, Rushden or Hashtag Utd (not that they are properly fan owned anyway). It's early days for AFC Bury but it sounds like it's proving to be hugely divisive amongst the fans with a lot of ill-will and finger pointing going on.

Pompey got themselves out of a hole via fan ownership but then sold to Michael Eisner so they could push on. The only one that really stands out as a genuine success is AFC Wimbledon, who have done fantastically well to get from nowhere, back into the league and ultimately back to Plough Lane. It's fairy tale stuff, but I fear it is the exception rather than the rule.
The examples you use as "unmitigated disasters" are all relatively small clubs compared to NTFC, AFC Wimbledon and Exeter City are similar sized or a bit smaller than us and have been relatively successful. What it does need is everyone pulling in the same direction, a bit like we all were in 2015/16. To a certain extent fan ownership does limit you, but you have to bear in mind that we haven't been in the top two divisions for 54 years, so we seem to limit ourselves whoever owns the club.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 29, 2021, 16:25:31 pm
The examples you use as "unmitigated disasters" are all relatively small clubs compared to NTFC, AFC Wimbledon and Exeter City are similar sized or a bit smaller than us and have been relatively successful. What it does need is everyone pulling in the same direction, a bit like we all were in 2015/16. To a certain extent fan ownership does limit you, but you have to bear in mind that we haven't been in the top two divisions for 54 years, so we seem to limit ourselves whoever owns the club.

To be fair, I did say "of the examples used [in the film]" which didn't include Exeter and the only one I referred to as an unmitigated disaster was Ebbsfleet.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Carton Lid on April 29, 2021, 17:07:36 pm
Very true, you did. But I still think that we could maintain our "usual" top League 2 / Bottom League 1 status as a fan owned club, like I say AFC Wimbledon have managed it and we have a catchment area much, much bigger than them.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Shoemender on April 29, 2021, 20:32:46 pm
It's on BT?  That'll limit my and others ability to watch it?

Yes, same problem for me. Maybe it'll be on Netflix or Amazon prime sometime.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: BackOfTheNet on April 29, 2021, 21:10:55 pm
Yes, same problem for me. Maybe it'll be on Netflix or Amazon prime sometime.

It's free to watch via the link I posted above.


Title: Re: Ours
Post by: Shoemender on April 29, 2021, 21:14:59 pm
It's free to watch via the link I posted above.

Cheers.