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The Hotel End => Cobblers Corner => Topic started by: Dan on May 01, 2021, 21:30:40 pm



Title: Mitchell
Post by: Dan on May 01, 2021, 21:30:40 pm
I think this guy deserves a thread of his own for his part in our pathetic relegation. I can think of 15 lost points without much effort thinking.

Has any keeper cost us as many points in a season in living memory as this clown? I never though anyone would be worse than Billy Turley, Chris Dunn or Dave Cornell.

This embarrassing excuse for a keeper had trumped them all.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: SadOldGit on May 01, 2021, 21:35:44 pm
Harsh.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Dan on May 01, 2021, 21:36:58 pm
Which part is harsh?


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: threeinabed on May 01, 2021, 21:43:36 pm
If anything you were slightly generous. Simply dogs***.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Clint on May 01, 2021, 21:43:55 pm
Harsh.
But true - I personally cannot remember a worse keeper in all my years following the Cobblers. Has certainly cost us many points this season. He’s simply non-league standard.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Manwork04 on May 01, 2021, 21:45:08 pm
Yep utterly useless.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on May 01, 2021, 21:49:45 pm
Not having a proper number 1 was an absolutely ridiculous decision...

Instead we had two bang avarage L2 keepers at best battling it out...

Never known a keeper as injury prone as Arnold & some of the goals Mitchell has conceded have been utterly laughable for an alledged professional keeper...

Thankfully, we shouldn't see either again as I would hope the youth keeper (along with several other youth players) are selected v Sunderland...will be a great experience for them & I don't see the point playing any loan players either as they won't be here next season.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Shoemender on May 01, 2021, 21:51:34 pm
Bring back Kim Book.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: singcobb on May 01, 2021, 21:53:01 pm
I think this guy deserves a thread of his own for his part in our pathetic relegation. I can think of 15 lost points without much effort thinking.

Has any keeper cost us as many points in a season in living memory as this clown? I never though anyone would be worse than Billy Turley, Chris Dunn or Dave Cornell.

This embarrassing excuse for a keeper had trumped them all.

He has been absolutely fecking useless at times and without a doubt has cost us dearly this season.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Teachers Pet on May 01, 2021, 22:01:23 pm
Bring back Kim Book.

Bring back Alan Starling, Carl Jayes, Peter Gleasure. Anyone.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: SadOldGit on May 01, 2021, 22:24:02 pm
Which part is harsh?

To single him out when the whole team lacks anything even approaching quality. This side would be relegation fodder in division 4. The strikers have been the worst cog in the machine. Absolutely no return from any of them. If they had put the odd goal in the ones conceded at the other end would not have been an issue. So many strikers and not a single one contributing anything.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: everbrite on May 01, 2021, 23:30:06 pm
To single him out when the whole team lacks anything even approaching quality. This side would be relegation fodder in division 4. The strikers have been the worst cog in the machine. Absolutely no return from any of them. If they had put the odd goal in the ones conceded at the other end would not have been an issue. So many strikers and not a single one contributing anything.

I agree with you SOG as someone on here have lost it judging by some of the comments flying around.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on May 02, 2021, 15:20:45 pm
Mitchell is definitely well below par for a League 1 goalkeeper. Worse than Arnold IMO, who in turn is not as good as Cornell, a keeper who many spent the whole of last season criticising in League 2. Having said that, as others have said, Mitchell is far from the only reason we've been relegated.

What I do think is extraordinary, however, is that we allowed oursleves to get into a situation where Mitchell was our only real goalkeeping option for the last third of the season, meaning he would play whatever his form was like. With Arnold's injury and staying in L1 at stake, couldn't we have got an emergency loan goalkeeper to challenge him for that position?


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: andycobbler on May 02, 2021, 18:35:01 pm
Won't be here next season so move on.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Dan on May 02, 2021, 22:28:14 pm
On the contrary, with him being out of contract, I’d not rule that out  ::)


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on May 02, 2021, 23:45:41 pm
On the contrary, with him being out of contract, I’d not rule that out  ::)

Brady knows he's crap, Just listen to his post match interview yesterday...

He's had no other suitable senior replacement as Arnold is ALWAYS injured!

Neither keeper will be here next season thankfully...

Will be amazed & extremely disappointed if he's between the sticks v Sunderland, as it's a perfect opportunity to play our promising youth players, rather than any players who won't be with us next season.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: CJ on May 03, 2021, 09:01:20 am
We'd have been better signing off Phil Mitchell.
The guy was an imposter. I cant believe we didnt engineer a way of bringing in an emergency loan, as others have already said.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: cobblerwatch on May 03, 2021, 10:01:12 am
Won't be here next season so move on.

Exactly - yes certainly a costly mistake sticking with him but interesting how fans who will sympathise with the very sad Lee Collins scénario will still give individual players continued dogs abuse with little thought to long term effect.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Irchy cob on May 03, 2021, 10:14:17 am
Exactly - yes certainly a costly mistake sticking with him but interesting how fans who will sympathise with the very sad Lee Collins scénario will still give individual players continued dogs abuse with little thought to long term effect.

Did I miss something in the Lee Collins situation - I’m pretty sure that he wasn’t getting abuse from fans over his performances? Unless Mitchell reads the Hotel End I think he’s unlikely to even know that supporters are giving him stick? Most if not all of the criticism is about his lack of ability and mistakes, none of it has been personal to my knowledge?


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on May 03, 2021, 11:44:38 am
On line abuse is in the headlines this week so I’m not going to weigh in.

That said  .... don’t think Mitchell is that awful it’s just that normally sides have another half decent keeper on the bench to keep their number one sharp.
We’ve had nothing for months so no matter how many awful games he has he was always on next weeks team sheet. I think the poor lads confidence needed a bit of protection.
All that said, I don’t want to see him back for next season. A year loaned out into the Conference might see his confidence back?

Even with all the moans that Mitch attracts it doesn’t need a brain surgeon to conclude that he’s not the reason we’ve been demoted after one season - look at the goals for column and then look at how many goals have been from “strikers”? With one half decent striker in the side we would have finished several places above the drop and all Mitch’s errors would have been forgotten!


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on May 03, 2021, 11:48:30 am
On line abuse is in the headlines this week so I’m not going to weigh in.

That said  .... don’t think Mitchell is that awful it’s just that normally sides have another half decent keeper on the bench to keep their number one sharp.
We’ve had nothing for months so no matter how many awful games he has he was always on next weeks team sheet. I think the poor lads confidence needed a bit of protection.
All that said, I don’t want to see him back for next season. A year loaned out into the Conference might see his confidence back?

Even with all the moans that Mitch attracts it doesn’t need a brain surgeon to conclude that he’s not the reason we’ve been demoted after one season - look at the goals for column and then look at how many goals have been from “strikers”? With one half decent striker in the side we would have finished several places above the drop and all Mitch’s errors would have been forgotten!

Sorry, which is pretty much what others have said!
I must read other posts before I post!!!


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: everbrite on May 03, 2021, 12:05:34 pm
Did I miss something in the Lee Collins situation - I’m pretty sure that he wasn’t getting abuse from fans over his performances? Unless Mitchell reads the Hotel End I think he’s unlikely to even know that supporters are giving him stick? Most if not all of the criticism is about his lack of ability and mistakes, none of it has been personal to my knowledge?

It sounds at least for me Mitchell has been singled out as the proverbial scapegoat. Never as bad as some on here make out and comparable on ability with former ‘keepers. As for the desire by some to sign a top class keeper as if to hide our defensive frailties ::) If Mitchell did get to read some of the abusive personal comments on here then we have only ourselves to blame to allow such comments to unduly flourish. Incidentally on Saturday I thought their first goal was intended as a cross and like similar situations manages to confound us all. There is I believe some on here who have credentials to give an informed factual opinion on Cornell, Mitchell plus our injured 2nd keeper. Blimey all three are villains on here so what does that say about us?


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Shoemender on May 03, 2021, 12:18:47 pm
On line abuse is in the headlines this week so I’m not going to weigh in.

That said  .... don’t think Mitchell is that awful it’s just that normally sides have another half decent keeper on the bench to keep their number one sharp.
We’ve had nothing for months so no matter how many awful games he has he was always on next weeks team sheet. I think the poor lads confidence needed a bit of protection.
All that said, I don’t want to see him back for next season. A year loaned out into the Conference might see his confidence back?

Even with all the moans that Mitch attracts it doesn’t need a brain surgeon to conclude that he’s not the reason we’ve been demoted after one season - look at the goals for column and then look at how many goals have been from “strikers”? With one half decent striker in the side we would have finished several places above the drop and all Mitch’s errors would have been forgotten!

More or less exactly what I've said several times.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: west stand oap on May 03, 2021, 12:27:26 pm
I don't think it was possible to bring in a loan 'keeper because Mitchell was prone to mistakes. My understanding is that a loan 'keeper can only be brought in when all of your other senior 'keepers are injured and then only on short term loans until an injured 'keeper is fit to resume.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: CJ on May 03, 2021, 13:27:12 pm
On line abuse is in the headlines this week so I’m not going to weigh in.

That said  .... don’t think Mitchell is that awful it’s just that normally sides have another half decent keeper on the bench to keep their number one sharp.
We’ve had nothing for months so no matter how many awful games he has he was always on next weeks team sheet. I think the poor lads confidence needed a bit of protection.
All that said, I don’t want to see him back for next season. A year loaned out into the Conference might see his confidence back?

Even with all the moans that Mitch attracts it doesn’t need a brain surgeon to conclude that he’s not the reason we’ve been demoted after one season - look at the goals for column and then look at how many goals have been from “strikers”? With one half decent striker in the side we would have finished several places above the drop and all Mitch’s errors would have been forgotten!
Undeniably our strikers have been poor but the keeper is the only truly specialist position. No one else can pick the ball up or use their hands. Everyone can score a goal, you dont need the strikers to score to win a game and you dont need to score loads of goals to win games. Our defence over the second part of the season was pretty good with the exception of the fella between the sticks. Without touching the rest of the squad, if we could have selected any from the best half of all the keepers to have pulled on the shirt in the Sixfields era we would be playing in league one next season.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: cobblerwatch on May 03, 2021, 13:27:49 pm
Did I miss something in the Lee Collins situation - I’m pretty sure that he wasn’t getting abuse from fans over his performances? Unless Mitchell reads the Hotel End I think he’s unlikely to even know that supporters are giving him stick? Most if not all of the criticism is about his lack of ability and mistakes, none of it has been personal to my knowledge?

Fair point and I wasn't suggesting Lee Collins was getting abuse - from his popularity it seems very unlikely but my point being players are people and potentially fragile for all sorts of reasons - if people repeatedly have a go about lack of ability it is in fact personal - of course fans will, and always will comment on players ability, and players should be robust enough to take some negative comments but repeated emotive critical comments or laying the blame on one player for me is not acceptable. I'd always ask the most verbose critics would you really make the same comments face to face with the player - if not (and no false bravado) perhaps you should moderate what you say.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: everbrite on May 03, 2021, 14:00:44 pm
Undeniably our strikers have been poor but the keeper is the only truly specialist position. No one else can pick the ball up or use their hands. Everyone can score a goal, you dont need the strikers to score to win a game and you dont need to score loads of goals to win games. Our defence over the second part of the season was pretty good with the exception of the fella between the sticks. Without touching the rest of the squad, if we could have selected any from the best half of all the keepers to have pulled on the shirt in the Sixfields era we would be playing in league one next season.

Very informative I take it you have had ‘keeper experience  8). ?


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: CJ on May 03, 2021, 14:53:24 pm
Very informative I take it you have had ‘keeper experience  8). ?

Only scoring against them Evers. I was a left back, a left midfielder (inside half to you) or forward depending in the standard of football. The better it was the further back I played.
You don't agree then that a lot of the keepers we have seen over the last 30 years would have been good enough to gain us the additional points required to stay up?


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: OCoole on May 03, 2021, 15:16:38 pm
On line abuse is in the headlines this week so I’m not going to weigh in.

That said  .... don’t think Mitchell is that awful it’s just that normally sides have another half decent keeper on the bench to keep their number one sharp.
We’ve had nothing for months so no matter how many awful games he has he was always on next weeks team sheet. I think the poor lads confidence needed a bit of protection.
All that said, I don’t want to see him back for next season. A year loaned out into the Conference might see his confidence back?

Even with all the moans that Mitch attracts it doesn’t need a brain surgeon to conclude that he’s not the reason we’ve been demoted after one season - look at the goals for column and then look at how many goals have been from “strikers”? With one half decent striker in the side we would have finished several places above the drop and all Mitch’s errors would have been forgotten!

How many strikers in world football can score frequently with hardly any service? Our supply line is so poor. The list of players in football right now regularly picking up the ball just past the halfway line and scoring is probably limited to Messi, Mbappe and Haaland. To suggest that we would sign a high end League One striker - I don't know, let's say Grigg, Wyke, Yates etc. - and they would score regularly for us is completely fanciful. Mitchell has made a lot of mistakes and has cost us a lot of points. Of course he isn't the sole reason for a relegation but he is a fair bit more responsible than most of our regular starters!


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2021, 05:53:31 am
These are off the top of my head.

Free kick away at Rochdale- Lost 1 point.
First goal at Blackpool- lost 1 point.
Horrendous back pass v Burton- lost 1 point.
Grigg Daisy cutter and **** poor for fourth goal at Mk- lost 3 points.
Tame free kick and his walkabout at Swindon- lost 3 points.
Easily beat at his near post at home to Crewe- lost 1 point.
The second goal at Gillingham- won’t count lost points as there’s no guarantee we would have scored the two that followed it.
First two v Blackpool- lost 1 point.

Add up 11 points and we’re 17th. Fair enough we haven’t scored enough, but we’re down because of the above.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on May 04, 2021, 07:53:20 am
Taking into account that the lad could get this thread shoved in his face.

It is clear that he was not comfortable at L1 level. But he did not put himself between the sticks. The decision to use him would have rested on many factors, none of them under his control. Rendering him entirely as a scapegoat....


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Boot and shoe on May 04, 2021, 08:22:46 am
mitchell is primarily to blame for us dropping points in the last 2 months or so .
He has been terrible and not professional standard in my view .
The problem is , there was no one to replace him- the club must have been hoping he would get injured to get a replacement .
Of course , none of the strikers have have performed either . We paid money for BAS and Rose and neither warrants a place at the club next season .
Edmundson was a disaster and totally over rated by his parent club . He will never ever play for Leeds Utd or anyone like them .
Same with Mitchell - he will never probably put a Derby training top on again


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: cobblertone on May 04, 2021, 10:00:25 am
These are off the top of my head.

Free kick away at Rochdale- Lost 1 point.
First goal at Blackpool- lost 1 point.
Horrendous back pass v Burton- lost 1 point.
Grigg Daisy cutter and **** poor for fourth goal at Mk- lost 3 points.
Tame free kick and his walkabout at Swindon- lost 3 points.
Easily beat at his near post at home to Crewe- lost 1 point.
The second goal at Gillingham- won’t count lost points as there’s no guarantee we would have scored the two that followed it.
First two v Blackpool- lost 1 point.

Add up 11 points and we’re 17th. Fair enough we haven’t scored enough, but we’re down because of the above.


He hasn't been good enough but football isn't that black and white. I dread to think how many points our impotent strike force have cost us.
Hoskins missed pen at AFC....and I like the lad! A few one on ones etc...
Ultimately there are a number of reasons we find ourselves back in league 2.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 04, 2021, 10:20:07 am
mitchell is primarily to blame for us dropping points in the last 2 months or so .
He has been terrible and not professional standard in my view .
The problem is , there was no one to replace him- the club must have been hoping he would get injured to get a replacement .
Of course , none of the strikers have have performed either . We paid money for BAS and Rose and neither warrants a place at the club next season .
Edmundson was a disaster and totally over rated by his parent club . He will never ever play for Leeds Utd or anyone like them .
Same with Mitchell - he will never probably put a Derby training top on again

That's disappointing if you have relayed that assessment from JB or one of his staff.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: everbrite on May 04, 2021, 10:31:05 am
Only scoring against them Evers. I was a left back, a left midfielder (inside half to you) or forward depending in the standard of football. The better it was the further back I played.
You don't agree then that a lot of the keepers we have seen over the last 30 years would have been good enough to gain us the additional points required to stay up?

Only Bunn who was exceptional! Perhaps Woody and Nichols might have been ok? Bunn was the exception I think!


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: CJ on May 04, 2021, 10:50:47 am
Taking into account that the lad could get this thread shoved in his face.

It is clear that he was not comfortable at L1 level. But he did not put himself between the sticks. The decision to use him would have rested on many factors, none of them under his control. Rendering him entirely as a scapegoat....
He's a professional footballer, when he set off on that path he chose to put himself between the sticks, no one else. He made himself available for selection and was chosen by the manager. No one is scapegoating him, he simply wasnt good enough at his job. Who's fault it is that he was given the job is a different matter.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Boot and shoe on May 04, 2021, 10:55:21 am
That's disappointing if you have relayed that assessment from JB or one of his staff.
my opinion and my opinion only .
It’s clear for everyone to see .


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 04, 2021, 11:04:12 am
my opinion and my opinion only .
It’s clear for everyone to see .

It wasn't, but I'm glad that you clarified it.  ;)


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Charlatan on May 04, 2021, 11:28:53 am
I think this thread is really stating the obvious, lets face it there's been quite a few players this season who could be singled out. Yes we are all aware of how poor  (most of the time) Mitchell has been. But why start this thread as soon as we're relegated? What purpose is it serving?


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Manwork04 on May 04, 2021, 11:35:43 am
I think this thread is really stating the obvious, lets face it there's been quite a few players this season who could be singled out. Yes we are all aware of how poor  (most of the time) Mitchell has been. But why start this thread as soon as we're relegated? What purpose is it serving?
None, he’s got one more game.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: everbrite on May 04, 2021, 11:39:22 am
He's a professional footballer, when he set off on that path he chose to put himself between the sticks, no one else. He made himself available for selection and was chosen by the manager. No one is scapegoating him, he simply wasnt good enough at his job. Who's fault it is that he was given the job is a different matter.

After the disappointing performance on Saturday quite a few on here made him their personal scapegoat! If you can’t see that that’s your inability to see the obvious. Overall Mitchell had a disappointing game on Saturday which cost us dearly but to level him as a scapegoat for our relegation is poor judgement I feel.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Boot and shoe on May 04, 2021, 12:12:43 pm
Mitchell is not getting abuse , the facts about his performances are being highlighted .
It’s the same with BAS or Bolger or Edmondson .
None of them have been good enough for division 1.
The supporters say it , the manager says it and the press say it .
If you want to call that abuse , so be it but i call it a performance review in a results business .
Unless you work in a non performance related job , we all come under the same scrutiny .


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: OCoole on May 04, 2021, 12:28:57 pm
Mitchell is not getting abuse , the facts about his performances are being highlighted .
It’s the same with BAS or Bolger or Edmondson .
None of them have been good enough for division 1.
The supporters say it , the manager says it and the press say it .
If you want to call that abuse , so be it but i call it a performance review in a results business .
Unless you work in a non performance related job , we all come under the same scrutiny .

Is there such a thing as a non performance related job? Surely we are all* judged on our performance - be it as a cleaner, a CEO, or a League One goalkeeper!

* The exception being of course this government who do as they please without consequence


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Carton Lid on May 04, 2021, 12:31:33 pm
Is there such a thing as a non performance related job? Surely we are all* judged on our performance - be it as a cleaner, a CEO, or a League One goalkeeper!

* The exception being of course this government who do as they please without consequence
OMG, you will set Evers off with that last sentence  :P ;D


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Mysterious Curle on May 04, 2021, 12:44:20 pm
Mitchell is not getting abuse , the facts about his performances are being highlighted .
It’s the same with BAS or Bolger or Edmondson .
None of them have been good enough for division 1.
The supporters say it , the manager says it and the press say it .
If you want to call that abuse , so be it but i call it a performance review in a results business .
Unless you work in a non performance related job , we all come under the same scrutiny .

Have you not realised yet, Nevers is only on here to disagree with what ever is posted.

He would try and argue black was white for a bit of attention.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: everbrite on May 04, 2021, 14:05:09 pm
Have you not realised yet, Nevers is only on here to disagree with what ever is posted.

He would try and argue black was white for a bit of attention.

I entirely disagree with a few on here who made Mitchell a scapegoat after Saturday’s Relegation and that includes probably you and Boots! Above assumptions are false so please withdraw them!


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Gen.Disorda on May 04, 2021, 14:13:49 pm
I have only just brought myself to watch the highlights from Saturday. it looked like a bad performance all round but

1st - How has he let him score from that angle into the far post
2nd - just didn't keep hold of the ball
3rd - Not his fault but it says a lot that 2 defenders dropped to the line having no faith in him to make the save.

I don't want to just tear into him personally but it was a poor recruitment to depend on him and a poor decision not to replace him when we had the chance in Jan. If we had a keeper of the quality of Bunn, O'donnell, Ingram, Duke, Nicholls, Smith, Gilks or Weale we would still be in division 3.

At one point in the season I am sure Mitchell conceded 5 goals from 6 shots. He wasn't helped by a constantly changing and shakey back line for most of the season but when you are struggling at the bottom a top class keeper can save you points on their own at times.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2021, 14:40:41 pm
I respect all peoples opinions on here and am sure that my view points have been equally respected.

It is in my firm opinion, and I’ve given evidence to support this with my points lost on page 2, that lost points purely as a result of his goal keeping is why we have been relegated.

I wish him well as a person, and as a goal keeper hope he never plays for us again.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: everbrite on May 04, 2021, 15:06:36 pm
I respect all peoples opinions on here and am sure that my view points have been equally respected.

It is in my firm opinion, and I’ve given evidence to support this with my points lost on page 2, that lost points purely as a result of his goal keeping is why we have been relegated.

I wish him well as a person, and as a goal keeper hope he never plays for us again.

As always Dan true supporter and Gent👍🏻


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: CJ on May 04, 2021, 15:20:06 pm
After the disappointing performance on Saturday quite a few on here made him their personal scapegoat! If you can’t see that that’s your inability to see the obvious. Overall Mitchell had a disappointing game on Saturday which cost us dearly but to level him as a scapegoat for our relegation is poor judgement I feel.
Maybe it's me but I thought a scapegoat is someone who gets unfairly blamed for the mistakes of others?
I'm not doing that and nor is anyone else so far as Mitchell is concerned. Like others I'm suggesting that if he was of better quality he would have saved more shots and prevented more goals. That is his job and his job only, and if he had been more successful at it we would have stayed up, no question.
That's distinctly different from a teams inability to score goals and strikers being unfairly scapegoated for it when the problem is much deeper rooted.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: woody84 on May 04, 2021, 17:07:24 pm
Maybe it's me but I thought a scapegoat is someone who gets unfairly blamed for the mistakes of others?
I'm not doing that and nor is anyone else so far as Mitchell is concerned. Like others I'm suggesting that if he was of better quality he would have saved more shots and prevented more goals. That is his job and his job only, and if he had been more successful at it we would have stayed up, no question.
That's distinctly different from a teams inability to score goals and strikers being unfairly scapegoated for it when the problem is much deeper rooted.
Mitchell isn't good enough but he isn't alone.
We have scored 40 goals, the joint lowest in the league.
We conceded 66 which is the 3rd best out of the bottom 10.

I dont think its as simple as the highlighted bit


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: everbrite on May 04, 2021, 17:10:15 pm
Maybe it's me but I thought a scapegoat is someone who gets unfairly blamed for the mistakes of others?
I'm not doing that and nor is anyone else so far as Mitchell is concerned. Like others I'm suggesting that if he was of better quality he would have saved more shots and prevented more goals. That is his job and his job only, and if he had been more successful at it we would have stayed up, no question.
That's distinctly different from a teams inability to score goals and strikers being unfairly scapegoated for it when the problem is much deeper rooted.

I prefer to leave this now. In any case your opening sentence says it all 8)
At least two or three on here have lamented on Mitchell’s performance on Saturday but suggest it’s not all his fault for the relegation. Even Comrade SOG suggested it was unjust to blame him or words to that effect! As ever your opinion is paramount👍🏻


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Coolcat on May 04, 2021, 20:50:48 pm
I respect all peoples opinions on here and am sure that my view points have been equally respected.

It is in my firm opinion, and I’ve given evidence to support this with my points lost on page 2, that lost points purely as a result of his goal keeping is why we have been relegated.

I wish him well as a person, and as a goal keeper hope he never plays for us again.
Absolutely!
The utter calamity of his howlers at Swindon and home to Burton Albion are as nailed on points down the drain as I've ever seen!


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: EB Claret on May 04, 2021, 22:46:34 pm
Mitchell has been poor but he is certainly not the only one.
Jon Brady said on Saturday that Blackpool had a quality Goalkeeper and two forwards who knew how to put the ball in the net on a regular basis, he added that we simply don't have that and that's why we've been relegated.
Pretty much the end of the argument I think.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Coolcat on May 04, 2021, 22:58:51 pm
Mitchell has been poor but he is certainly not the only one.
Jon Brady said on Saturday that Blackpool had a quality Goalkeeper and two forwards who knew how to put the ball in the net on a regular basis, he added that we simply don't have that and that's why we've been relegated.
Pretty much the end of the argument I think.
Surely, having heard JB's post match interview, where he said "they should never have scored from that angle" quickly followed by "they have a quality keeper"  you can see is as clear a testament without actually naming him, what he thinks of Mitchell's performances!


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on May 04, 2021, 23:16:47 pm
Surely, having heard JB's post match interview, where he said "they should never have scored from that angle" quickly followed by "they have a quality keeper"  you can see is as clear a testament without actually naming him, what he thinks of Mitchell's performances!

True, but normally when a goalkeeper is having a drop in form, drop in confidence or is just having a bad time of it, he is taken out of the firing line and replaced by another capable keeper from within the club.  Jonathan Mitchell hasn't been afforded that respite and has had to continue through one or all of those symptoms without any means of escape.
Yes, he hasn't been at the standard expected, I would guess that he has probably realised that himself, JB and his staff have almost definitely realised it but because of the injury to Steve Arnold, they have not had any option to do anything apart from putting an Academy player between the sticks who was born in May 2004!
Rather than continue to pour scorn and criticism on the goalkeeper, have a bit of sympathy and understanding as to the circumstances that have led to the situation that both he and JB were forced into.
You never know, under better circumstances he may prove to be a more than capable goalkeeper at wherever he ends up?


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: everbrite on May 05, 2021, 00:20:34 am
True, but normally when a goalkeeper is having a drop in form, drop in confidence or is just having a bad time of it, he is taken out of the firing line and replaced by another capable keeper from within the club.  Jonathan Mitchell hasn't been afforded that respite and has had to continue through one or all of those symptoms without any means of escape.
Yes, he hasn't been at the standard expected, I would guess that he has probably realised that himself, JB and his staff have almost definitely realised it but because of the injury to Steve Arnold, they have not had any option to do anything apart from putting an Academy player between the sticks who was born in May 2004!
Rather than continue to pour scorn and criticism on the goalkeeper, have a bit of sympathy and understanding as to the circumstances that have led to the situation that both he and JB were forced into.
You never know, under better circumstances he may prove to be a more than capable goalkeeper at wherever he ends up?

That's a nail on now ;D 
Surprised that Coolie has taken the blame route so emphatically - he is normally bit of a gent with genuine understanding of both player and game. Still I suppose relegation got to him as it did me!


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Boot and shoe on May 05, 2021, 08:39:17 am
Mitchell has been poor but he is certainly not the only one.
Jon Brady said on Saturday that Blackpool had a quality Goalkeeper and two forwards who knew how to put the ball in the net on a regular basis, he added that we simply don't have that and that's why we've been relegated.
Pretty much the end of the argument I think.
100% sums it up .
i don’t think the manager could really have said it any clearer !!


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Gen.Disorda on May 05, 2021, 09:30:37 am
The lads confidence was probably shot to bits by having a slap dash defense in front of him for half the season, but again that's what you get for having an inexperienced keeper in a relegation battle.

He may well go on to bigger and better things like Jordan Arhcer but we have still paid the price for putting faith in a young inexperienced keeper.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: singcobb on May 05, 2021, 09:46:50 am
I'd like to see Brady drop Mitchell and a few others that he intends to get rid of and blood some of the youth players on saturday. It's not like we have anyhting to lose apart from pride and bragging rights and they went to the wall back as far as Christmas.


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: Carton Lid on May 05, 2021, 10:26:33 am
The lads confidence was probably shot to bits by having a slap dash defense in front of him for half the season, but again that's what you get for having an inexperienced keeper in a relegation battle.

He may well go on to bigger and better things like Jordan Arhcer but we have still paid the price for putting faith in a young inexperienced keeper.
Inexperienced yes, but he's 26 years old !


Title: Re: Mitchell
Post by: CJ on May 05, 2021, 10:47:26 am
The lads confidence was probably shot to bits by having a slap dash defense in front of him for half the season, but again that's what you get for having an inexperienced keeper in a relegation battle.

He may well go on to bigger and better things like Jordan Arhcer but we have still paid the price for putting faith in a young inexperienced keeper.
Interesting that you mention Archer. I was behind him when most on here couldnt see any positives in him.
Drilling I remember was particularly damning of him (sorry Drilling!).
Can't remember now who he was sparring with for the number one spot at the time?
For me there is a huge difference in quality between Archer as was and Mitchell as is, although I would say one redeeming feature of Jonathons that he shares with Jordan is occasionally he will produce a good instinctive reflex save.