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Title: Next week's open house
Post by: andycobbler on June 18, 2021, 14:56:25 pm
Can someone take pics and post them on here please. Self isolating so can't go down to look myself. Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Today's open house
Post by: ClaretCobbler on June 18, 2021, 15:14:25 pm
Pretty sure it's a week today?


Title: Re: Today's open house
Post by: Teachers Pet on June 18, 2021, 15:16:26 pm
Pretty sure it's a week today?

Yep. Friday 25th June.


Title: Re: Today's open house
Post by: andycobbler on June 18, 2021, 15:18:57 pm
Yeah sorry, title wrong. I meant next week.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Shoemaker on June 18, 2021, 15:33:21 pm
Apologies for any scepticism but are we all really getting excited because someoneís done a drawing??
Iím right in saying thatís basically it isnít it?
No official plans, no start date , just an artist impression  ::)

We had artists impressions during the last decade so basically it actually means nowtÖ

However I canít believe thatís the extent of it, there must be more to it than a club charm offensive based on a few sketchesÖ
Not even our apathetic fans can be taken in by that again surely.

Hereís hoping for something a little more substantial


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Shoemender on June 18, 2021, 16:31:37 pm
Apologies for any scepticism but are we all really getting excited because someoneís done a drawing??
Iím right in saying thatís basically it isnít it?
No official plans, no start date , just an artist impression  ::)

We had artists impressions during the last decade so basically it actually means nowtÖ

However I canít believe thatís the extent of it, there must be more to it than a club charm offensive based on a few sketchesÖ
Not even our apathetic fans can be taken in by that again surely.

Hereís hoping for something a little more substantial

Hear hear!


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Teachers Pet on June 18, 2021, 16:41:25 pm
Apologies for any scepticism but are we all really getting excited because someoneís done a drawing??
Iím right in saying thatís basically it isnít it?
No official plans, no start date , just an artist impression  ::)

We had artists impressions during the last decade so basically it actually means nowtÖ

However I canít believe thatís the extent of it, there must be more to it than a club charm offensive based on a few sketchesÖ
Not even our apathetic fans can be taken in by that again surely.

Hereís hoping for something a little more substantial

Have they released any "artists impressions" before (Kelvin Thomas)?

Surely, the fact they're going to this trouble indicates things are more positive and have progressed. 


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Shoemaker on June 18, 2021, 16:56:09 pm
Unless there are actual plans that have been put to the council for planning permission then it means nothing other than appease the claret tinted straw clutchers in order to keep them all happy and warm inside for a few more months.

The club could draw a picture of Lionel messi but I wouldnít believe we would sign him until a contract was signed.

As Iíve said I really hope there is some substance to this event rather than yet more turd polishing to appease the hard of thinkingÖ.

Maybe Shaq has come over with his good friend KT and is investing a few of his multi,multi million dollars in the club in order to take us forwardÖ.

All together nowÖ

We are the champions my friendsÖ. ::) ::)




Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 18, 2021, 17:08:25 pm
Have they released any "artists impressions" before (Kelvin Thomas)?

Surely, the fact they're going to this trouble indicates things are more positive and have progressed. 
As I have said numerous times KT is in a corner, he knows we know all his secrets.
He is trying to win hearts and minds with a few sketches.




Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: super-si on June 18, 2021, 17:23:15 pm
My God, you are a bunch of miserable moaners!  ;D Some of you believe you could do so much better.  ::)

Take a reality check. This is a football club ... not a niche market business. Perhaps you are succesul business people in your own right - I don't know? Because you are good at one thing, doesn't mean you know it all...but you probably know that already  :)


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: greek73 on June 20, 2021, 17:55:56 pm
As I have said numerous times KT is in a corner, he knows we know all his secrets.
He is trying to win hearts and minds with a few sketches.




Herr is your ideal opportunity to pop along and see what he had to say then, and put your questions and frustrations to him face to face


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Vince Planner on June 20, 2021, 18:02:39 pm
Herr is your ideal opportunity to pop along and see what he had to say then, and put your questions and frustrations to him face to face
Marvellous suggestion, he is bound to go along, isnít he?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 20, 2021, 18:21:16 pm
Marvellous suggestion, he is bound to go along, isnít he?
Iíd pay good money to watch that, I donít think going toe to toe with KT would bother Manny one jot.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: tcobb on June 20, 2021, 18:50:32 pm
I would say the detractors in the previous posts will not have the balls to go and have a chat.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on June 20, 2021, 19:07:02 pm
Evers has a question.

Will any development at the club affect the playing budget?

Thank you.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Krispyduc on June 20, 2021, 19:13:41 pm
Unless there are actual plans that have been put to the council for planning permission then it means nothing other than appease the claret tinted straw clutchers in order to keep them all happy and warm inside for a few more months.

The club could draw a picture of Lionel messi but I wouldnít believe we would sign him until a contract was signed.

As Iíve said I really hope there is some substance to this event rather than yet more turd polishing to appease the hard of thinkingÖ.

Maybe Shaq has come over with his good friend KT and is investing a few of his multi,multi million dollars in the club in order to take us forwardÖ.

All together nowÖ

We are the champions my friendsÖ. ::) ::)



Absolutely right mate. All smoke and mirrors.
What a shame that we seem to attract owners who ride the club at the fans expense.
Shame that the old NBC couldn't do a proper Due Diligence


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: JollyCobbler on June 22, 2021, 11:38:34 am
Have they released any "artists impressions" before (Kelvin Thomas)?

Surely, the fact they're going to this trouble indicates things are more positive and have progressed. 

Hopefully so, although I've had a trawl around and can't find any relevant planning applications.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 16:35:20 pm
Hopefully so, although I've had a trawl around and can't find any relevant planning applications.
Now thereís a Surprise.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: SadOldGit on June 22, 2021, 17:17:38 pm
I thought it was this week


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on June 22, 2021, 17:56:34 pm
Trust withdraws support for Sixfields land deal

https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/trust-withdraws-support-for-sixfields-land-deal (https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/trust-withdraws-support-for-sixfields-land-deal)


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 18:03:08 pm
AND SO IT BEGINS...........


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Shoemaker on June 22, 2021, 18:13:00 pm
Trust withdraws support for Sixfields land deal

https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/trust-withdraws-support-for-sixfields-land-deal (https://www.ntfctrust.co.uk/news/article/trust-withdraws-support-for-sixfields-land-deal)
Iím sure Kelvin will answer all the questions in full whilst showing everyone the final drawings and planning application to clear everything upÖÖ,

Or am I   :o  ???  ::)


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Zen Master on June 22, 2021, 18:35:18 pm
Iím not taking any sides and only want the best outcome for the clubs future but why not take the initial offer of a zoom meeting and minute it?


 


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: The Rauldinho on June 22, 2021, 18:39:32 pm
Iím not taking any sides and only want the best outcome for the clubs future but why not take the initial offer of a zoom meeting and minute it?

They could still put out the same statement about written answers etc, but I fail to see the reasoning behind refusing the Zoom meeting as it would have been an opportunity to discuss things (even if not in the format they wanted).

Did the Trust ask their membership if they should take the Zoom meeting or refuse it?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Shoemaker on June 22, 2021, 18:56:58 pm
Iím not taking any sides and only want the best outcome for the clubs future but why not take the initial offer of a zoom meeting and minute it?


 
Without taking sides Iíd have thought that was obvious.

Zoom meetingÖÖ.
Written statementsÖ.

I want whatís best for the club but in fairness the trust have asked what they consider reasonable questions and over a month later havenít received a written response to themÖÖ.

Itís not great is it??







Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: singcobb on June 22, 2021, 19:19:46 pm
So the toys come out of the pram again. Boo hoo they wouldn't write to me so I refused to talk to them.
I do hope that they signed the letters to the council as Mr. Angry at number 72, because that's about as much notice I would take of them. The Trust halcyon days are gone, they must accept that they are not the force they once were and they will not be again until such time as they can demonstrate that they represent the supporters and not a small section of them.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 19:21:05 pm
Iím not taking any sides and only want the best outcome for the clubs future but why not take the initial offer of a zoom meeting and minute it?


 
It needs to be in writing from the club, otherwise me and you might as well write the answers.
Once bitten twice shy.....


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 22, 2021, 19:59:40 pm
It needs to be in writing from the club, otherwise me and you might as well write the answers.
Once bitten twice shy.....

Dont disagree but as mentioned before the Zoom meeting can be minuted (& recorded) - and these could be the basis of the agreement to go ahead with the meeting  - this is normal business/negotiating process and Iím sure KT doesnít give a toss about their latest action which frankly resigns them to irrelevance


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 19:59:55 pm
So the toys come out of the pram again. Boo hoo they wouldn't write to me so I refused to talk to them.
I do hope that they signed the letters to the council as Mr. Angry at number 72, because that's about as much notice I would take of them. The Trust halcyon days are gone, they must accept that they are not the force they once were and they will not be again until such time as they can demonstrate that they represent the supporters and not a small section of them.
You are going to regret writing that mate, they are doing exactly what they are supposed to.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 20:00:37 pm
Dont disagree but as mentioned before the Zoom meeting can be minuted (& recorded) - and these could be the basis of the agreement to go ahead with the meeting  - this is normal business/negotiating process and Iím sure KT doesnít give a toss about their latest action which frankly resigns them to irrelevance
Ohhhh I bet he does  ;D


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblertone on June 22, 2021, 20:43:13 pm
What difference does the Trust supporting/not supporting the land deal make? Either way it hasnít happened.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 20:48:03 pm
What difference does the Trust supporting/not supporting the land deal make? Either way it hasnít happened.
True, the Trust are the ďvoiceĒ of the fans and are listened to by decision makers.
Itís only just begun!


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: tcobb on June 22, 2021, 20:58:40 pm
Oh yeh, it's only just begun, what has ? The trust don't support the Clubs plans, oh well never mind.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: singcobb on June 22, 2021, 21:04:00 pm
True, the Trust are the “voice” of the fans and are listened to by decision makers.
It’s only just begun!
Wrong the trust are the voice of a few people who will not even consult the membership before taking action.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 21:05:34 pm
Wrong the trust are the voice of a few people who will not even consult the membership before taking action.
This is your opinion, Iíll say it again, in the eyes of the decision makers they are very relevant.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: singcobb on June 22, 2021, 21:08:30 pm
This is your opinion, I’ll say it again, in the eyes of the decision makers they are very relevant.
Then the decision makers are fúcking deluded if they think that they are anywhere near what the fans think.
Oh and be careful what you wish for, because if the land deal doesn't go through the current owners will be off like a shot demanding their millions in debt, goodbye NTFC.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 21:17:24 pm
Then the decision makers are fķcking deluded if they think that they are anywhere near what the fans think.
Oh and be careful what you wish for, because if the land deal doesn't go through the current owners will be off like a shot demanding their millions in debt, goodbye NTFC.
Weíve got no assets so that would be pointless, administration?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: singcobb on June 22, 2021, 21:20:23 pm
Weíve got no assets so that would be pointless, administration?
True, the squad we have are worth fķck all, but they are businessmen, they would sell the furniture, carrpets even light fittings to get as much back as they could and then shut the whole thing down, as you have said many times, they don't give a shŪt about the cobblers.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: West Stand on June 22, 2021, 21:31:16 pm
Weíve got no assets so that would be pointless, administration?


Very true, so why are some trust members making such a big deal about it. We all know the only possibility of it being repaid is from the proceeds of a land deal


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: SadOldGit on June 22, 2021, 21:43:41 pm
KT befriended the Trust to get council support so I think both he and the council are very much bothered. The council are also far more likely to be affected by the opinion of the Trust who represent a fair few rate-payers and voters over a couple of ex-pats / tax exiles.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 22, 2021, 22:04:52 pm
This is your opinion, Iíll say it again, in the eyes of the decision makers they are very relevant.

Iím confused why you would think that - or am I being dim ........


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: woody84 on June 22, 2021, 22:26:17 pm
Just when I was starting to think the Trust had started to engage positively they do this.
They have no position of strength to insist or dictate the method of engagement with the club. They are on the outside and if they want to be allow inside they need to be flexible and make concessions.
The club asked for questions. You provided them. They offered a call to discuss them, you should have accepted not responded like this.
There has been far too many written statements, the fact you recently had an actual call with them was a huge step forward and now you want to go back to written statements. You can get so much more context from an actual discussion than you can in statement tennis.
Unfortunately I think you have taken the positive step forward and shot yourself in the foot and hobbled back 3 or 4 steps.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: EB Claret on June 22, 2021, 22:35:23 pm
Just when I was starting to think the Trust had started to engage positively they do this.
They have no position of strength to insist or dictate the method of engagement with the club. They are on the outside and if they want to be allow inside they need to be flexible and make concessions.
The club asked for questions. You provided them. They offered a call to discuss them, you should have accepted not responded like this.
There has been far too many written statements, the fact you recently had an actual call with them was a huge step forward and now you want to go back to written statements. You can get so much more context from an actual discussion than you can in statement tennis.
Unfortunately I think you have taken the positive step forward and shot yourself in the foot and hobbled back 3 or 4 steps.


Quite right, good post.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 22:35:51 pm
Just when I was starting to think the Trust had started to engage positively they do this.
They have no position of strength to insist or dictate the method of engagement with the club. They are on the outside and if they want to be allow inside they need to be flexible and make concessions.
The club asked for questions. You provided them. They offered a call to discuss them, you should have accepted not responded like this.
There has been far too many written statements, the fact you recently had an actual call with them was a huge step forward and now you want to go back to written statements. You can get so much more context from an actual discussion than you can in statement tennis.
Unfortunately I think you have taken the positive step forward and shot yourself in the foot and hobbled back 3 or 4 steps.

Hahahah pathetic, itís you who are on the outside, soon to be gone aye James?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 22:38:10 pm
Quite right, good post.
No itís not, FFS wake up and smell the coffee, why do you think the trust are doing this? Why are the club having an open day after 6 fŻcking years, a coincidence?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: woody84 on June 22, 2021, 22:39:18 pm
Hahahah pathetic, itís you who are on the outside, soon to be gone aye James?
No idea who you think I am, but please explain how the Trust are not on the outside, and have any strength to dictate terms on engagement with KT or the club


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 22, 2021, 22:39:45 pm
Just when I was starting to think the Trust had started to engage positively they do this.
They have no position of strength to insist or dictate the method of engagement with the club. They are on the outside and if they want to be allow inside they need to be flexible and make concessions.
The club asked for questions. You provided them. They offered a call to discuss them, you should have accepted not responded like this.
There has been far too many written statements, the fact you recently had an actual call with them was a huge step forward and now you want to go back to written statements. You can get so much more context from an actual discussion than you can in statement tennis.
Unfortunately I think you have taken the positive step forward and shot yourself in the foot and hobbled back 3 or 4 steps.


Indeed. Very disappointing.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: tcobb on June 22, 2021, 23:03:20 pm
Just shows how far detached the Trust are from the far base.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: EB Claret on June 22, 2021, 23:13:40 pm
No itís not, FFS wake up and smell the coffee, why do you think the trust are doing this? Why are the club having an open day after 6 fŻcking years, a coincidence?

I just think the Trust lost a lot of credibility by not having the zoom meeting, if you want to know something talk to the people who have the answers.
You are suggesting big events unfolding behind the scenes and you may be right, but, along with 99% of supporters I have no idea what you are talking about.
KT and Co. were never going to spend the 'ring fenced' money on the East Stand until the land deal was sorted and who would expect them to? That would make no business sense and since the pandemic started common sense prevented spending.
By the way I can't stand the smell of coffee roasting and that seems to be where we are at the moment, unless you care to enlighten us?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 23:27:25 pm
I just think the Trust lost a lot of credibility by not having the zoom meeting, if you want to know something talk to the people who have the answers.
You are suggesting big events unfolding behind the scenes and you may be right, but, along with 99% of supporters I have no idea what you are talking about.
KT and Co. were never going to spend the 'ring fenced' money on the East Stand until the land deal was sorted and who would expect them to? That would make no business sense and since the pandemic started common sense prevented spending.
By the way I can't stand the smell of coffee roasting and that seems to be where we are at the moment, unless you care to enlighten us?
Iíd love to enlighten everyone but itís not my place or information.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 22, 2021, 23:31:41 pm
Iím confused why you would think that - or am I being dim ........
Your not being dim mate, believe me the council and the Trust are closer than the haters on here make out.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: tcobb on June 22, 2021, 23:43:01 pm
Haters? What a juvenile expression.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 23, 2021, 00:02:00 am
If the majority of opinions on here are representative then the trust are probably irrelevant in the eyes of the owners and that would make them powerless? However they might have the majority of the membership on board, I donít know? Unfortunately neither do the Trust. Whilst they persist with this strategy they, and by definition the support base will probably influence nothing and that is unfortunate. I genuinely wish things were different.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 23, 2021, 07:39:42 am
Your not being dim mate, believe me the council and the Trust are closer than the haters on here make out.

Unlike you, I believe the majority of any big reveal, will just bog everything down even further, leading us into a deeper hole. Plus, their is genuinely a reason why it would be really wise to make sure you donít live in a glass house, before casting a stone. I'm taking my seat firmly on the fence.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 23, 2021, 08:34:08 am
from what I heard the club wanted a public zoom call with them controlling the narrative.

Still don't understand why KT and DB get unquestioned support whilst the Trust get knocked and questioned regarding their actions time and time again.

The Trust are genuine die in the wool Cobblers fans, who want the best for their football club.

We have for the last 16 years had owners who have broken promises after promises, kept supporters in the dark, lied, covered-up info, allowed the ground and everything around it to literally rot, have no real progress on the pitch, loaded the club with millions of debt without anything to show for it, taken money in the name of the club which the club or town have not benefited from, have no business plan, have not produced credible plans for the East stand, etc etc and of course had a total focus of developing the land that the 105 year lease sit on.

Suddenly as some important information has come to light and after KT wanted the Trust to support his land deal with absolutely NO information or detail, after 6 years KT decides to show us some , almost meaningless CGI images. That he said THEY HAD HAD FOR A WHILE !!!!!!! He didn't think it was worth show us fans !!!!! and some are happy with that.

In the meantime the Trust ask some questions and it's them in the wrong for actually wanted some answers. I would think they wanted it in writing as KT has a big history of talking a lot of bullsh@t and squirming out of promises and understandings.

Those defending KT please let me know why I should support him more, the smiling Cardoza??

 


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Shoemaker on June 23, 2021, 08:54:27 am
Will Kelvin be at the open meeting or will he be appearing via zoom ?  ;D


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: woody84 on June 23, 2021, 10:19:32 am
from what I heard the club wanted a public zoom call with them controlling the narrative.

Still don't understand why KT and DB get unquestioned support whilst the Trust get knocked and questioned regarding their actions time and time again.

The Trust are genuine die in the wool Cobblers fans, who want the best for their football club.

We have for the last 16 years had owners who have broken promises after promises, kept supporters in the dark, lied, covered-up info, allowed the ground and everything around it to literally rot, have no real progress on the pitch, loaded the club with millions of debt without anything to show for it, taken money in the name of the club which the club or town have not benefited from, have no business plan, have not produced credible plans for the East stand, etc etc and of course had a total focus of developing the land that the 105 year lease sit on.

Suddenly as some important information has come to light and after KT wanted the Trust to support his land deal with absolutely NO information or detail, after 6 years KT decides to show us some , almost meaningless CGI images. That he said THEY HAD HAD FOR A WHILE !!!!!!! He didn't think it was worth show us fans !!!!! and some are happy with that.

In the meantime the Trust ask some questions and it's them in the wrong for actually wanted some answers. I would think they wanted it in writing as KT has a big history of talking a lot of bullsh@t and squirming out of promises and understandings.

Those defending KT please let me know why I should support him more, the smiling Cardoza??
Personally I'm not saying you should and the fans and the Trust have every right to ask questions and expect answers. My issue is the Trust had a way of getting the answers through a Zoom call. Ok it might not be the way they wanted but it was a way. Now they have publicly closed that door so therefore the questions will go unanswered.
As I said in a previous post I think written statements have lead to, or at least exacerbated some of the situation as its very difficult to get context and sometimes clarity is needed that can only come from a 2 way conversation. A zoom call, followed by a joint statement surely was the best way forward. Unless the club refused anything written after the call.

Its good to talk!


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: CJ on June 23, 2021, 12:24:56 pm
Personally I'm not saying you should and the fans and the Trust have every right to ask questions and expect answers. My issue is the Trust had a way of getting the answers through a Zoom call. Ok it might not be the way they wanted but it was a way. Now they have publicly closed that door so therefore the questions will go unanswered.
As I said in a previous post I think written statements have lead to, or at least exacerbated some of the situation as its very difficult to get context and sometimes clarity is needed that can only come from a 2 way conversation. A zoom call, followed by a joint statement surely was the best way forward. Unless the club refused anything written after the call.

Its good to talk!
Regards context and clarity... I think you have it the wrong way around. Written english is far less easily manipulated than a two way verbal conversation.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 23, 2021, 12:27:54 pm
I havenít a clue whatís going on here and not taking sides but if people take the trouble to actually read the TrustĎs compilation of questions whilst they are generally reasonable they are also context related and if people believe a simple sentence reply will be sufficient they are in my opinion being naive - surely a minuted face to face (or Zoom call) would have been the way forward.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 23, 2021, 12:30:49 pm
Regards context and clarity... I think you have it the wrong way around. Written english is far less easily manipulated than a two way verbal conversation.

Agreed which is why you Minute and record the call - the problem with simple written answers is they almost always provoke a response for clarity and more information


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 23, 2021, 12:43:19 pm
Agreed which is why you Minute and record the call - the problem with simple written answers is they almost always provoke a response for clarity and more information
Donít take up the legal profession, written answers have accountability.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: woody84 on June 23, 2021, 13:14:03 pm
Donít take up the legal profession, written answers have accountability.

So do verbal ones.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 23, 2021, 13:15:16 pm
So do verbal ones.
Thanks for that James.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: woody84 on June 23, 2021, 13:17:41 pm
Regards context and clarity... I think you have it the wrong way around. Written english is far less easily manipulated than a two way verbal conversation.
I agree to an extent, but what I mean is if there is any ambiguity or anything not clear, on a call you can ask questions and either have additional context added or have it worded differently to make it clearer. That will take a matter of minutes. In a written statement you will have to write back, then they will need to rewrite etc which if you're lucky will be days but as we've seen with this more likely months. That's why I said the call followed by something in writing.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: woody84 on June 23, 2021, 13:21:19 pm
Thanks for that James.
You've indirectly called me a hater and I can only assume you either think Im James Whiting or trying to be funny and say im his puppet or something.
If you read this thread you will actually see that whilst there is passion on both sides everyone else is engaging in actually some good discussion. Maybe you can try to join in too.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 23, 2021, 13:28:43 pm
I agree to an extent, but what I mean is if there is any ambiguity or anything not clear, on a call you can ask questions and either have additional context added or have it worded differently to make it clearer. That will take a matter of minutes. In a written statement you will have to write back, then they will need to rewrite etc which if you're lucky will be days but as we've seen with this more likely months. That's why I said the call followed by something in writing.

Agree - we have a rule of thumb we work with in my team at work, if something takes any more than 3 or 4 back and forths to get to the bottom of then it should be a phone/Teams call.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Shoemaker on June 23, 2021, 14:41:09 pm
It seems odd that the chronicle and echo arenít running a story on the trust not backing the redevelopment plans.
Is it not newsworthy??


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 23, 2021, 14:45:12 pm
It seems odd that the chronicle and echo arenít running a story on the trust not backing the redevelopment plans.
Is it not newsworthy??
Puppets, itís not even a newspaper, remember the Cardoza debacle and the Chrons lack of coverage.
They are quick enough to report he was taking legal action against me, it made front page I think.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Shoemaker on June 23, 2021, 15:28:28 pm
I stopped buying the chronicle after their coverage of the Cardoza saga.

Iíve never bought it since or follow their sport coverage as it became apparent they didnít represent the fans.





Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Cornish Cobbler on June 23, 2021, 15:35:52 pm
Having become something of a doubting thomas through the years of KT and DB's tenure,  I'm mildly excited at the big reveal. Given the Ďunder promise over deliverí mantra I'm expecting a brand new beast of an East and firm plans for the North and South as a minimum.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 23, 2021, 15:55:52 pm
Having become something of a doubting thomas through the years of KT and DB's tenure,  I'm mildly excited at the big reveal. Given the Ďunder promise over deliverí mantra I'm expecting a brand new beast of an East and firm plans for the North and South as a minimum.
😂


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 23, 2021, 18:43:51 pm
Thanks for that James.

Whoever has told you that is wrongÖ


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 23, 2021, 18:45:07 pm
Donít take up the legal profession, written answers have accountability.


Is that why the Trust board has refused to minute meetings between the club and them, and with the council?

FOR THEIR MEMBERS.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: singcobb on June 23, 2021, 18:46:08 pm
Donít take up the legal profession, written answers have accountability.


No they don't unless they form part of a contract.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Another Pedj on June 24, 2021, 18:52:48 pm
There was never any chance of a written response to those questions.

One of them could have 50000 word thesis and  still not elicited a definitive response.  As stated at the time,naive beyond belief. I thought the Trust chairman was an ex journalist and he submitted that rubbish! I assume his resignation is imminent.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 24, 2021, 20:20:17 pm
There was never any chance of a written response to those questions.

One of them could have 50000 word thesis and  still not elicited a definitive response.  As stated at the time,naive beyond belief. I thought the Trust chairman was an ex journalist and he submitted that rubbish! I assume his resignation is imminent.

Sadly your comments on the questions are in my opinion completely correct - Andy is a good guy and I'm certain has nothing but good intention for the club but I'm sorry to expect written answers to all those questions outside of a discussion meeting is as you say naive in the extreme.

I really don't understand the objectives here - Manwork professes to some insider knowledge suggesting the trust have solid links with the council and this move is likely to block any legitimate favours to KT & DB but goes on to suggest with no land deal and the next being step administration - whilst I'm somewhat sceptical of these progression of events, even if partially true, how the hell can this benefit the club - unless of course there is really a viable white knight wearing trust colours waiting in the wings - even if so it would suggest the trusts actions are somewhat duplicitious and certainly not reflecting the member democracy they state in their mission statement.
Outside all talk of East stand redevelopment (which given the current structure ) is a complete red herring I am modestly optimistic re player and management signings so far - of course the moaners will moan but it still doesn't strike me as the action of a club dead in the water so I'll still go for my e/w bet at 16.1 to finish top..........


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 24, 2021, 22:31:25 pm
It seems odd that the chronicle and echo arenít running a story on the trust not backing the redevelopment plans.
Is it not newsworthy??
12 people having a chat online have decided they are not happy with events at Sixseats? Im just wondering why its not in the Chronic myself? Although by using that standard for relevant newsworthiness the pages of this forum should be headlining on the Washington Post?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 24, 2021, 22:39:03 pm
By the way for the sake of balance as a member I fully endorse the meetings with Tracey Crouch and St Pauli which were both excellent initiatives in my opinion. Thanks for asking.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 24, 2021, 22:59:47 pm
By the way for the sake of balance as a member I fully endorse the meetings with Tracey Crouch and St Pauli which were both excellent initiatives in my opinion. Thanks for asking.
Hamburg SV all the way.
https://www.rangers.co.uk/article/rangers-and-hsv-enter-club-partnership/68dtIhjgBv7ljtzkffl5qD


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Risdene on June 25, 2021, 17:16:29 pm
Any feedback about KT/DB's plans for us out of towners?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Wanderingteyn on June 26, 2021, 00:45:30 am
The Trusts BIG REVEAL is that the chairman and DB made a bit of money from the 5USport deal. WOW WEEEE.

Trust right now is a shambles.

Bang on about being open and transparent yet don't do it themselves.

They're not gonna get charge of the Club, thankfully.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: 1971cobbler on June 26, 2021, 08:17:37 am
The Trusts BIG REVEAL is that the chairman and DB made a bit of money from the 5USport deal. WOW WEEEE.

Trust right now is a shambles.

Bang on about being open and transparent yet don't do it themselves.

They're not gonna get charge of the Club, thankfully.

Any link available to where that is revealed pls?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Wanderingteyn on June 26, 2021, 08:18:54 am
Any link available to where that is revealed pls?

I should have said "rumoured big reveal".


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 26, 2021, 08:19:42 am
I should have said "rumoured big reveal".
I hope you can evidence that.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 26, 2021, 08:25:26 am
The Trusts BIG REVEAL is that the chairman and DB made a bit of money from the 5USport deal. WOW WEEEE.

Trust right now is a shambles.

Bang on about being open and transparent yet don't do it themselves.

They're not gonna get charge of the Club, thankfully.
Can you quantify a ďbitĒof money?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblertone on June 26, 2021, 08:40:26 am
Firstly, dangerous Ďrumourí to make public.
Secondly, after the Matt Hancock farce yesterday I have lost my ability to be surprised or outraged about pretty much anything that could happen in the world.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 26, 2021, 08:43:39 am
Firstly, dangerous Ďrumourí to make public.
Secondly, after the Matt Hancock farce yesterday I have lost my ability to be surprised or outraged about pretty much anything that could happen in the world.
Like I said I hope he can evidence that other wise itís a very silly thing to post on a public forum.
As for Matt Hancock wow, what an absolute tw@t.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: everbrite on June 26, 2021, 10:07:48 am
Yes and No on Hancock. Outdone by Blunkett and the American beauty.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblertone on June 26, 2021, 10:12:20 am
Yes and No on Hancock. Outdone by Blunkett who somehow got the better of an American beauty

Interested in the ďnoĒ Evers.
On his political performance, dodgy dealings, breaching what he was preaching, or sh*tting on his wife and three kids with someone he chose to bring in?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: everbrite on June 26, 2021, 10:17:02 am
Interested in the ďnoĒ Evers.
On his political performance, dodgy dealings, breaching what he was preaching, or sh*tting on his wife and three kids with someone he chose to bring in?

Have not got a lot of time for Moralizers who seemingly are unable to practice what they preach. Nothing personal  8)


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Wanderingteyn on June 26, 2021, 10:26:27 am
Evidence what?

It's a rumour.

Club owners sell shares, earn some money.

I ain't accusing anyone of anything. Just stating that's the rumours of the Trust big reveal.



Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: ntfclad on June 26, 2021, 11:14:27 am
http://cobblersscoops-ian01604.blogspot.com/2021/06/an-open-letter-to-club-and-supporters.html

Powerful response


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 26, 2021, 12:18:00 pm
Evidence what?

It's a rumour.

Club owners sell shares, earn some money.

I ain't accusing anyone of anything. Just stating that's the rumours of the Trust big reveal.


All Iím saying is be careful what you post, saying itís a rumour wonít help you if the club turn hostile and issue a liable claim.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Wanderingteyn on June 26, 2021, 12:23:35 pm
All Iím saying is be careful what you post, saying itís a rumour wonít help you if the club turn hostile and issue a liable claim.


They can sue me if they want. I've got about £2.

Think the club "might" well be aware of all these rumours already mate.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblertone on June 26, 2021, 13:42:18 pm
Have not got a lot of time for Moralizers who seemingly are unable to practice what they preach. Nothing personal  8)

Iíll stick my neck out and say the vast, vast majority of the general population havenít operated at the level of sleaze and corruption some of these politicians do. My high horse is plenty stable enough to lambast the likes of that roach.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 26, 2021, 14:00:28 pm
Iíll stick my neck out and say the vast, vast majority of the general population havenít operated at the level of sleaze and corruption some of these politicians do. My high horse is plenty stable enough to lambast the likes of that roach.

You have to remember Evers is a loyal conservative ever since the Thatcher days & therefore anyone right of centre is not as bad as someone left of centre - itís a bit of a paradox though since Iím 100% sure Thatcher herself would not tolerate the incompetence and sleaze from the current incumbents


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 26, 2021, 14:18:08 pm
I hope you can evidence that.

Have you or the Trust actually gone to the club and asked about the money? Not that Iím lumping you together.

I have, and I genuinely got a comprehensive answer.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: everbrite on June 26, 2021, 14:31:37 pm
Iíll stick my neck out and say the vast, vast majority of the general population havenít operated at the level of sleaze and corruption some of these politicians do. My high horse is plenty stable enough to lambast the likes of that roach.

Good luck on that 8)


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: everbrite on June 26, 2021, 14:49:10 pm
You have to remember Evers is a loyal conservative ever since the Thatcher days & therefore anyone right of centre is not as bad as someone left of centre - itís a bit of a paradox though since Iím 100% sure Thatcher herself would not tolerate the incompetence and sleaze from the current incumbents

How do you know I am a Conservative ? - couldn't stand for example Heath so voted for Wilson. Like Boris so I voted for him as did not like Corbyn. Don't mind Starmer as no sleaze for him. The best prime ministers seem to come from good Public Schools. Even Atlee! If we had a Striker who could score goals would vote for him which is why I appreciated Akinfenwa. Judging by your last sentence you appear to be a disillusioned Momentum cheerful chappie.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: SadOldGit on June 26, 2021, 15:04:22 pm
Have you or the Trust actually gone to the club and asked about the money? Not that Iím lumping you together.

I have, and I genuinely got a comprehensive answer.

What was the answer then?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: CJ on June 26, 2021, 15:28:52 pm


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 26, 2021, 15:35:50 pm
What was the answer then?

Ask themÖ I assured them I wouldnít cheapen their candour by repeating it on a forum. I believe it to be private between me and them. Iíve never wanted for an answer, when asking direct questions of the club.

I wish I could say the same of others.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: SadOldGit on June 26, 2021, 15:49:08 pm
Ask themÖ I assured them I wouldnít cheapen their candour by repeating it on a forum. I believe it to be private between me and them. Iíve never wanted for an answer, when asking direct questions of the club.

I wish I could say the same of others.

And yet you are the one who keeps saying Manwork04 should tell us what he knows?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 26, 2021, 15:52:15 pm
How do you know I am a Conservative ? - couldn't stand for example Heath so voted for Wilson. Like Boris so I voted for him as did not like Corbyn. Don't mind Starmer as no sleaze for him. The best prime ministers seem to come from good Public Schools. Even Atlee! If we had a Striker who could score goals would vote for him which is why I appreciated Akinfenwa. Judging by your last sentence you appear to be a disillusioned Momentum cheerful chappie.

I get not liking Corbyn but liking Boris does indeed say a lot about your character and judgement not to mention the direction of your moral compass 😄


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 26, 2021, 16:17:25 pm
what about your morale compass CW?   Very happy to support a Chairman whose integrity is questionable in the extreme !!!


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 26, 2021, 16:22:23 pm
And yet you are the one who keeps saying Manwork04 should tell us what he knows?

Absolutely. He should. I donít need to tell you, you can get off of here and find out for yourself. You know the specifics of my question. You wouldnít even know where to start with nothing but a rumour. Iím not peddling doubt. Iím saying that answers wonít be found on here. I also have a lengthy reply from the council to a number questions I asked. They are questions that I personally sought answers for. None of them used to stir on here.

Give it a go. Itís a much more civil way of conducting business.



Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 26, 2021, 16:36:36 pm
what about your morale compass CW?   Very happy to support a Chairman whose integrity is questionable in the extreme !!!


You are very happy to support the chairman???? - I think you need to work on your grammar a bit 😄

Öbut leaving that aside when did I say I was very happy to support him - chairmen come and go but the club remains mine and individuals like you who have spend a decade moaning and posting negative comments simply reflect on the poster themselves and rarely make a difference to the given situation.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 26, 2021, 17:04:56 pm
and supporters like you who only moan at other fans for wanting better.

So you are making a difference? I think not

The club is NOT yours at all, it is at the whim of a 70 year old living in Dubai with lots of off-shore bank accounts and shareholdings, and his mouth-piece, the smiling Cardoza, who lives 4000 miles away and treats the fans with total contempt.

Yeah really proud of a club that has underperformed for the last 20 years, which has just about the worst balance sheet in the league, is in the 3rd largest populated area yet has the smallest ground of any historic football club, yet is centrally located and without any major high profile club nearby.





Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 26, 2021, 17:10:52 pm
and supporters like you who only moan at other fans for wanting better.

So you are making a difference? I think not

The club is NOT yours at all, it is at the whim of a 70 year old living in Dubai with lots of off-shore bank accounts and shareholdings, and his mouth-piece, the smiling Cardoza, who lives 4000 miles away and treats the fans with total contempt.

Yeah really proud of a club that has underperformed for the last 20 years, which has just about the worst balance sheet in the league, is in the 3rd largest populated area yet has the smallest ground of any historic football club, yet is centrally located and without any major high profile club nearby.





Have you recently come out of a coma...?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 26, 2021, 17:19:24 pm
No KT is the smiling Cardoza, haven't you noticed?

Perhaps it time for you to come out of your coma and open your eyes !


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Wanderingteyn on June 26, 2021, 17:23:26 pm
Step away from the keyboard.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: West Stand on June 26, 2021, 17:37:42 pm
and supporters like you who only moan at other fans for wanting better.

So you are making a difference? I think not

The club is NOT yours at all, it is at the whim of a 70 year old living in Dubai with lots of off-shore bank accounts and shareholdings, and his mouth-piece, the smiling Cardoza, who lives 4000 miles away and treats the fans with total contempt.

Yeah really proud of a club that has underperformed for the last 20 years, which has just about the worst balance sheet in the league, is in the 3rd largest populated area yet has the smallest ground of any historic football club, yet is centrally located and without any major high profile club nearby.






And what's the answer? The club has been losing money since the year dot. The trust seem to want DB/KT to pay for the East Stand, write off the debt and sell the club to then for a £. I don't see any viable proposals from the trust.

The trust spokes people keep moaning about the 'loading of debt'. This is the same trust that moaned their shareholding was diluted when the Cardozas put money in as equity.

The only way forward is for the club to be run profitability, but I can't see that party has a way of doing this.The only way we become viable is by increasing the fanbase. If this was easy then surely someone would have found a way to do this


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: everbrite on June 26, 2021, 17:41:18 pm
I get not liking Corbyn but liking Boris does indeed say a lot about your character and judgement not to mention the direction of your moral compass 😄

Lord save me from Judgemental Moralizers. I still like Boris in spite of your protestations. If it is ok with you nobody is interested in your opinion on Boris etc as this is a football forum for Cobblers fan not those spouting political points.



Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: SadOldGit on June 26, 2021, 17:51:23 pm
Absolutely. He should. I donít need to tell you, you can get off of here and find out for yourself. You know the specifics of my question. You wouldnít even know where to start with nothing but a rumour. Iím not peddling doubt. Iím saying that answers wonít be found on here. I also have a lengthy reply from the council to a number questions I asked. They are questions that I personally sought answers for. None of them used to stir on here.

Give it a go. Itís a much more civil way of conducting business.



I have no idea what you are talking about.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on June 26, 2021, 18:00:53 pm
How do you know I am a Conservative ? - couldn't stand for example Heath so voted for Wilson. Like Boris so I voted for him as did not like Corbyn. Don't mind Starmer as no sleaze for him. The best prime ministers seem to come from good Public Schools. Even Atlee! If we had a Striker who could score goals would vote for him which is why I appreciated Akinfenwa. Judging by your last sentence you appear to be a disillusioned Momentum cheerful chappie.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 26, 2021, 18:01:51 pm
Have you or the Trust actually gone to the club and asked about the money? Not that Iím lumping you together.

I have, and I genuinely got a comprehensive answer.
They know we know.
For a bit of balance, What were you told?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: singcobb on June 26, 2021, 19:39:13 pm
and supporters like you who only moan at other fans for wanting better.

So you are making a difference? I think not

The club is NOT yours at all, it is at the whim of a 70 year old living in Dubai with lots of off-shore bank accounts and shareholdings, and his mouth-piece, the smiling Cardoza, who lives 4000 miles away and treats the fans with total contempt.

Yeah really proud of a club that has underperformed for the last 20 years, which has just about the worst balance sheet in the league, is in the 3rd largest populated area yet has the smallest ground of any historic football club, yet is centrally located and without any major high profile club nearby.





Might I suggest that you find a Prem team to support.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 26, 2021, 20:37:07 pm
and supporters like you who only moan at other fans for wanting better.

So you are making a difference? I think not

The club is NOT yours at all, it is at the whim of a 70 year old living in Dubai with lots of off-shore bank accounts and shareholdings, and his mouth-piece, the smiling Cardoza, who lives 4000 miles away and treats the fans with total contempt.

Yeah really proud of a club that has underperformed for the last 20 years, which has just about the worst balance sheet in the league, is in the 3rd largest populated area yet has the smallest ground of any historic football club, yet is centrally located and without any major high profile club nearby.




Leicester?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 26, 2021, 21:01:55 pm
and supporters like you who only moan at other fans for wanting better.

So you are making a difference? I think not

The club is NOT yours at all, it is at the whim of a 70 year old living in Dubai with lots of off-shore bank accounts and shareholdings, and his mouth-piece, the smiling Cardoza, who lives 4000 miles away and treats the fans with total contempt.

Yeah really proud of a club that has underperformed for the last 20 years, which has just about the worst balance sheet in the league, is in the 3rd largest populated area yet has the smallest ground of any historic football club, yet is centrally located and without any major high profile club nearby.





Nothing wrong with wanting better - I think we all want that but a decade of complaining and making barbed comments about many individual doing their best (Iím not talking about chairman here) makes you a rather sad character - much like you, my actions/inactions make no difference to the situation but the difference being I donít delude myself in believing they do (I have a sneaky feeling in your deluded arrogance you genuinely believe you bought the last chairman down with your actions - you didnít, and paradoxically probably extended his tenure).
Again you are wrong - the club is mine, of course other than a season ticket I own nothing material but the fact you donít understand the statement of it being my club shows your lack of understanding on many level. Iím sure you will continue your bitter and occasionally nasty messages which is of course (within reason) are your prerogative but I can say with some certainty whatever the outcome of the current shambles you will not be happy - not because of the outcome but because of your innate character.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 26, 2021, 21:09:50 pm
Lord save me from Judgemental Moralizers. I still like Boris in spite of your protestations. If it is ok with you nobody is interested in your opinion on Boris etc as this is a football forum for Cobblers fan not those spouting political points.



Illogical and not very bright Evers - I simply replied to a point you raised first re a political comment on Hancock  - do you actually read your own posts and the order you write them in?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: everbrite on June 26, 2021, 22:32:38 pm
Illogical and not very bright Evers - I simply replied to a point you raised first re a political comment on Hancock  - do you actually read your own posts and the order you write them in?

Well you are shelling out some provocative personal posts. Not quite sure why you have singled me out. Try Manny or Tabasco they'll give you a run for your money.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 26, 2021, 23:34:51 pm
"It is NOT your club" , of course I understand what you mean, go read some of my posts and see how my any times I talk about my / our club.

That again is exactly the point. Why am I nasty and have a hidden agenda because I point out the actions or lack of them from the owners of my / our football club?

Yet our owners can do what they want, when they want, how they want to our / my / your football club and they don't get one question or criticism from you or others? How is that supporting our football club.

I have never had one reasoned and argued post in why I am wrong about KT/ DB and their intentions, my passionate posts are ignored or passed off as pie in the sky.

My recent post, explaining why I feel we underachieve based upon our location and catchment area, prompt just 2 replies...  one was go support a prem team and the other was Leicester (which i was expecting but even they are 40 miles aways and despite their success are not a glamorous team)

Perhaps the answer is that some of our fans are luddites, fearing change and progress, perhaps some don't want any success and they fear that they won't be special in supporting such a crappy little underperforming team if the club grows and develops. As Hammy says he is happy we are in League 2, sorry but I just cannot understand that mentality.

I would be happier as I think many others would be, IF the club was locally owned and struggling but was trying to build upon something rather than foreign owners who have taken the club nowhere. Again though I remember many fans calling for Barry Stonhill to go when we were £500k in debt and lower / mid table in League 1. Compare that to now where we are in League 2 and £6m+ in debt.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 27, 2021, 11:12:19 am
"It is NOT your club" , of course I understand what you mean, go read some of my posts and see how my any times I talk about my / our club.

That again is exactly the point. Why am I nasty and have a hidden agenda because I point out the actions or lack of them from the owners of my / our football club?

Yet our owners can do what they want, when they want, how they want to our / my / your football club and they don't get one question or criticism from you or others? How is that supporting our football club.

I have never had one reasoned and argued post in why I am wrong about KT/ DB and their intentions, my passionate posts are ignored or passed off as pie in the sky.

My recent post, explaining why I feel we underachieve based upon our location and catchment area, prompt just 2 replies...  one was go support a prem team and the other was Leicester (which i was expecting but even they are 40 miles aways and despite their success are not a glamorous team)

Perhaps the answer is that some of our fans are luddites, fearing change and progress, perhaps some don't want any success and they fear that they won't be special in supporting such a crappy little underperforming team if the club grows and develops. As Hammy says he is happy we are in League 2, sorry but I just cannot understand that mentality.

I would be happier as I think many others would be, IF the club was locally owned and struggling but was trying to build upon something rather than foreign owners who have taken the club nowhere. Again though I remember many fans calling for Barry Stonhill to go when we were £500k in debt and lower / mid table in League 1. Compare that to now where we are in League 2 and £6m+ in debt.

Your passion for the subject is not in question but I would politely like to summarise why you irritate so many people

Firstly the repetitive nature of your posts - we get it but constantly writing the same thing with the words rearranged does not strengthen your argument - in fact it weakens it because no one bothers to read it in detail.
Some of your insults to the tome of the clubs lack of ambition are not simple barbs to the chairman but taken very personally by a number of hardworking members of staff (I say this from personal knowledge and nothing to do with the recent letter) - some of these individual put in many hours far above any contract to try to better the club as a whole and within the community - your comments have on occasions been simply offensive to them.
Lastly you frequently refer to supporters who donít agree with your views in derogatory term - sheep, blindly loyal to KT, Ludites etc etc - they typically are not any of these things, rather they take a view they are not in a position to actually change things and whilst undoubtably things could be better they could also be a whole let worse. Additionally whilst being supporters the have and are certainly entitled to have different priorities in life over and above the future of NTFC

Although itís a cliche im minded of the proverb of Give me the serenity to accept the things I canít change, the courage to fight for the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Iím sure you truly believe you are taking the courageous option but you may not be correct.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 27, 2021, 13:09:43 pm
Hi CW. thanks for your latest post

I am often misunderstood (which is my fault i know), when I was volunteering at the club, some staff really supported my efforts and enthusiasm whilst others were threatened by it (although I always stated I wasn't after their role, in fact I was always trying to help them and the club, improve)

I have spent a lot of time around highly creative entertainment companies and I see what is possible with attention to detail, imagination and customer service. That is where my frustrations stem from, that is why my barbs are to the Chairman because he is in charge, he sets the standards, the expectations, the systems, everything. The staff can only follow, although perhaps they could push more.

An example: I always felt that having the portakabins selling tickets etc was very amateurish, didn't allow computer access to the system etc and were in an awful condition. When KT came in with his promise of £4m etc etc I thought great we will get some changes, the contract had ended on the cabins but all we did was get some more. There was no attempt by the owners or senior management to push for change and improvement. Yes it is only a small thing but it is the small things that make the big differences.

Yes I do know staff work extra hours etc, but that is the case will perhaps 80% of the workforce in all jobs. I must admit I lost some respect for those in management towards the end of the DC reign, when they all sat back and protected their own jobs rather than speaking up about what was happening. That went for the Trust too. The whistleblower leaking info was not even someone from the club.

I don't mean to be offensive to the staff, yes I am a moaner but at the same time, I will do anything and everything to help anyone or anything, as I said before I have swept rainwater of the main path to the ground (so fans didn't get their feet wet) and escorted Roberto Martinez to his seat after he missed kicked off as we were busy talking in main reception. It didn't matter to me I just wanted it to be better for others.

Somebody has to take responsibility for what I see as continued under achievement and missed opportunities. If the staff can honestly look at themselves and say I give my best and my focus is on making NTFC the very best it can be, then I apologise to them, however ex-players have said things are not right at the core of the club, players who have a good season very rarely re-sign for the club and players who do sign tend to be here to pay their mortgage. In addition you have Trust board members who have been extremely loyal and spent £1000's supporting the club now in a very public argument with the owners and staff.

I just want something in Northampton to be proud off and I am sorry if I offended fans and staff of NTFC by taking out my frustrations on them. Build it and they will come the saying goes, well they have come (Northampton population is 3rd biggest in League 2 after Bradford and Bristol Rovers), its time to build. KT has been here 6 wasted years and nothing has changed, surely now its time for change



Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 27, 2021, 13:13:21 pm
Fair and balanced post their Random..



Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 27, 2021, 13:22:09 pm
thanks Hammy  :)


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Shoemender on June 27, 2021, 13:24:06 pm
Yes, top post Random, I share your frustrations and misunderstoodment.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 27, 2021, 15:03:51 pm
Fair post Random - best we agree to differ on some but not all our collective points.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 27, 2021, 16:03:54 pm
thanks again guys, hopefully some of the other posters will comment on it and give their perspective too, as many just make sniping comments

It is time we come together, the fact we have 3 supporters buses going to away games needs to stop, we need one collective, and if that means that the Trust is dissolved and something else is put in it's place then so be it.

I do think that it is time that football as a whole is not held as the plaything of some foreign owner, football clubs are unique, community based businesses, that, has to be considered in its ownership. Again, ironically, Oxford have suffered massively over the year with a battle with their former Chairman, who developed land with a stadium, then held the football club hostage with contracts and rents. KT as an Oxford fans knows this better than anyone. I suspect this is one reason the Trust are so worried by the lack of information from our owners.





 


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 28, 2021, 00:01:04 am
Hi CW. thanks for your latest post

I am often misunderstood (which is my fault i know), when I was volunteering at the club, some staff really supported my efforts and enthusiasm whilst others were threatened by it (although I always stated I wasn't after their role, in fact I was always trying to help them and the club, improve)

I have spent a lot of time around highly creative entertainment companies and I see what is possible with attention to detail, imagination and customer service. That is where my frustrations stem from, that is why my barbs are to the Chairman because he is in charge, he sets the standards, the expectations, the systems, everything. The staff can only follow, although perhaps they could push more.

An example: I always felt that having the portakabins selling tickets etc was very amateurish, didn't allow computer access to the system etc and were in an awful condition. When KT came in with his promise of £4m etc etc I thought great we will get some changes, the contract had ended on the cabins but all we did was get some more. There was no attempt by the owners or senior management to push for change and improvement. Yes it is only a small thing but it is the small things that make the big differences.

Yes I do know staff work extra hours etc, but that is the case will perhaps 80% of the workforce in all jobs. I must admit I lost some respect for those in management towards the end of the DC reign, when they all sat back and protected their own jobs rather than speaking up about what was happening. That went for the Trust too. The whistleblower leaking info was not even someone from the club.

I don't mean to be offensive to the staff, yes I am a moaner but at the same time, I will do anything and everything to help anyone or anything, as I said before I have swept rainwater of the main path to the ground (so fans didn't get their feet wet) and escorted Roberto Martinez to his seat after he missed kicked off as we were busy talking in main reception. It didn't matter to me I just wanted it to be better for others.

Somebody has to take responsibility for what I see as continued under achievement and missed opportunities. If the staff can honestly look at themselves and say I give my best and my focus is on making NTFC the very best it can be, then I apologise to them, however ex-players have said things are not right at the core of the club, players who have a good season very rarely re-sign for the club and players who do sign tend to be here to pay their mortgage. In addition you have Trust board members who have been extremely loyal and spent £1000's supporting the club now in a very public argument with the owners and staff.

I just want something in Northampton to be proud off and I am sorry if I offended fans and staff of NTFC by taking out my frustrations on them. Build it and they will come the saying goes, well they have come (Northampton population is 3rd biggest in League 2 after Bradford and Bristol Rovers), its time to build. KT has been here 6 wasted years and nothing has changed, surely now its time for change


Random, if all your posts were written in that tone your opinions would be taken far more seriously. What you should perhaps also take on board is that virtually everyone on here wants what you want, myself included. Some are just concerned and confused about how you would finance it and the likely impact of that strategy. Doesnt make them KT lovers or even right, but it is a valid opinion. I think the arguments on here generally stem from the amount of emotion involved and the blind commitment to a particular strategy. If everyone conceded there may be flaws and risks to their arguments then there would be a lot more constructive opinion on here. For example, the problem with my position is that we are far more likely to tread water, thatís a fact and I know it.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on June 28, 2021, 05:48:16 am

I just want something in Northampton to be proud off and I am sorry if I offended fans and staff of NTFC by taking out my frustrations on them. Build it and they will come the saying goes, well they have come (Northampton population is 3rd biggest in League 2 after Bradford and Bristol Rovers), its time to build. KT has been here 6 wasted years and nothing has changed, surely now its time for change



Great post Random, I think most of us share your frustrations, given the right foundation and realistically sized stadium we would all like to know where it could take us.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on June 28, 2021, 07:45:06 am
One question I forgot to ask as an outsider looking in. How is the Trust funded?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Gen.Disorda on June 28, 2021, 09:39:46 am
One question I forgot to ask as an outsider looking in. How is the Trust funded?

Membership fees and a few fund raising initiatives such as raffles ect


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Tabasco Kid on June 28, 2021, 10:12:49 am
One question I forgot to ask as an outsider looking in. How is the Trust funded?
Car boot sales, and xmas raffle tickets. And the odd race night in a WMC.
They certainly do not like the idea of getting a barrel of ale to sell inside the stadium. Every excuse that you can think of.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on June 28, 2021, 10:34:20 am
Thanks for the info chaps.  ;)


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on June 28, 2021, 11:41:18 am
Club 500 is also a fundraiserÖ..Trust Travel hasnít raised much in the past year or so though!


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 28, 2021, 11:59:05 am
Club 500 is also a fundraiserÖ..Trust Travel hasnít raised much in the past year or so though!
When is the Trusts response likely to appear GPC?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on June 29, 2021, 14:15:51 pm
Hi CW. thanks for your latest post

I am often misunderstood (which is my fault i know), when I was volunteering at the club, some staff really supported my efforts and enthusiasm whilst others were threatened by it (although I always stated I wasn't after their role, in fact I was always trying to help them and the club, improve)

I have spent a lot of time around highly creative entertainment companies and I see what is possible with attention to detail, imagination and customer service. That is where my frustrations stem from, that is why my barbs are to the Chairman because he is in charge, he sets the standards, the expectations, the systems, everything. The staff can only follow, although perhaps they could push more.

An example: I always felt that having the portakabins selling tickets etc was very amateurish, didn't allow computer access to the system etc and were in an awful condition. When KT came in with his promise of £4m etc etc I thought great we will get some changes, the contract had ended on the cabins but all we did was get some more. There was no attempt by the owners or senior management to push for change and improvement. Yes it is only a small thing but it is the small things that make the big differences.

Yes I do know staff work extra hours etc, but that is the case will perhaps 80% of the workforce in all jobs. I must admit I lost some respect for those in management towards the end of the DC reign, when they all sat back and protected their own jobs rather than speaking up about what was happening. That went for the Trust too. The whistleblower leaking info was not even someone from the club.

I don't mean to be offensive to the staff, yes I am a moaner but at the same time, I will do anything and everything to help anyone or anything, as I said before I have swept rainwater of the main path to the ground (so fans didn't get their feet wet) and escorted Roberto Martinez to his seat after he missed kicked off as we were busy talking in main reception. It didn't matter to me I just wanted it to be better for others.

Somebody has to take responsibility for what I see as continued under achievement and missed opportunities. If the staff can honestly look at themselves and say I give my best and my focus is on making NTFC the very best it can be, then I apologise to them, however ex-players have said things are not right at the core of the club, players who have a good season very rarely re-sign for the club and players who do sign tend to be here to pay their mortgage. In addition you have Trust board members who have been extremely loyal and spent £1000's supporting the club now in a very public argument with the owners and staff.

I just want something in Northampton to be proud off and I am sorry if I offended fans and staff of NTFC by taking out my frustrations on them. Build it and they will come the saying goes, well they have come (Northampton population is 3rd biggest in League 2 after Bradford and Bristol Rovers), its time to build. KT has been here 6 wasted years and nothing has changed, surely now its time for change


Random: You were a volunteer at the club and it sounds like a good one as well, I'm assuming that you aren't now?
I'm sure that the club wouldn't have turned down your 'free' offers of help?
Where, when and how did the frustrations, that we all have, turn into the 'hatred' of KT that you portray, aside from the obvious desire that we all have for the club to improve?


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: cobblerwatch on June 29, 2021, 14:55:23 pm
Random: You were a volunteer at the club and it sounds like a good one as well, I'm assuming that you aren't now?
I'm sure that the club wouldn't have turned down your 'free' offers of help?
Where, when and how did the frustrations, that we all have, turn into the 'hatred' of KT that you portray, aside from the obvious desire that we all have for the club to improve?

So Iíve had a few spats with Random but to step in his shoes for a moment I genuinely donít think itís KT the man he hates - rather any out of town owner that he believes is more interested in return on investment than the benefits to the club - I still believe we may get both but I donít think he shares that view,


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 29, 2021, 15:21:22 pm
Hi Deepcut, yeah I was a good one, I won Supporter of the Year for it once  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D (tongue in cheek)

At the time I said to DC that I am his biggest fan and his biggest critic. Remember I was one, along with manwork, that was publicly threatened with libel action, but after that meeting with him, continued to 'work' at the club.

It starting falling apart when I failed to get an interview with DC for the box office managers role (twice) despite being very qualified and told by some staff I would be brilliant etc, however as I said the other day, some managers didn't seem to like me, and those staff that supported me told me that the managers were threatened and scared that I make them look bad.

I also felt that DC wanted to keep me at arms length as he knew I would be vocal about anything he was doing that was anti-club. Those around the club towards the end totally failed the town, NBC and the fans IMHO, they all stayed quiet, media still meddling various messages from DC, etc etc.  

Up until that point I had a very free reign during match days as was basically able to move around the inner workings of the ground as I liked, including the tunnel, players lounge etc etc. I would say I was alway respectful and professional in my actions, and never once caused an issue or a problem. However each season, more and more restrictions were brought in regarding my access to various areas and also the volunteers - many had done the worst job in the club for no pay and very little favour. After volunteering and opening the club shop on the Bradford wembley morning, taking quite a few thousand pounds the club would have lost, seeing the wembley display and hearing various things, the continued poor treatment of the programme sellers, 50-50, ticket sellers etc, I decided enough was enough and I left.

When the sh@t hit the fan, I got involved with the Trust, shaking buckets and attended a board meeting or two. When KT took over I was asked by another volunteer to return and help out, which I did. The treatment of the volunteers by management was still very poor and I spoke with them to say, they just want a thanks every now and then, come outside and say hello, know their names etc. After that management did come outside but just to moan and check if they were doing a good job or not. Now there were obviously lots of different things happening, rules for one and not others etc etc (which you get in all businesses).

I discussed with James Whiting about the cabins and how crap they were, we should have windows from the main stand selling tickets etc, but no they just rented more slightly less crappy cabins. Again I helped with the merchandising at the end of season, I (with others)ran the market square stall in the week and on the parade day, again far exceeding sales expectations etc. I tried to have a meeting with KT but it never happened.

In the meantime I could see that nothing was changing off the pitch, KT had promised the £4m and I foolishly thought with new owners talking about community and growth and development, things were going to change. But nothing did. I said to Fez at York away (23 Feb 2016) that KT will not build that stand. All the staff members that had watched over DC's actions and been employed by him, all remained, not one change. Perhaps I was impatient then but I have certainly been proved 'right' (please do not take that as gloating)

I went back to the club, worn down by the talk of development from DC knowing he was trying to get some money back via the back door, excited by new owners and THE OPPORTUNITY that we can finally starting developing NTFC into a decent League 1 club at least. I wanted to play a part in that, however small.

My 'hatred' as you put it is for his actions or lack of them, not mine. He gained control of the club after the Trust stepped aside for him as he said he had £4m to build the East stand but has done nothing but delay, delay, delay, and go back on various 'promises' and understanding. IMHO he is not fit to be the Chairman of my football club.

What I would like to understand is how those staff members give him their full support when nothing has been achieved in his 6 years other than sell one player for a large undisclosed fee. What exactly has he done to earn theirs and other fans support?  I just don't see it.

He has said in open that NTFC is not worth developing, he had not implemented one real item of creativity, improvement or development. Yes the club does some great work in the community - but again so does every single football league club in the country. At the end of the day, we are back in League 2 with a very small, very poor stadium, with no executive boxes, with no star players, with low expectations of promotion.AND MORE IMPORTANTLY NO UNDERSTANDING OF HOW / WHEN / OR WHERE  we are going to develop.

At least with DC for the 1st 4 years or so, he actually invested money into players, always talked about promotion and getting into League 1. KT has had 2 promotions handed to him on a plate and despite being a football person, has allowed the club to fail almost immediately TWICE.

NOW I HAVE PUT MY SIDE, CAN SOMEONE, ANYONE, PLEASE POST SOMETHING IN WHY I AM WRONG AND PUT THEIR POINT OF VIEW. as this never ever happens.






Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 29, 2021, 15:29:11 pm
"So Iíve had a few spats with Random but to step in his shoes for a moment I genuinely donít think itís KT the man he hates - rather any out of town owner that he believes is more interested in return on investment than the benefits to the club - I still believe we may get both but I donít think he shares that view",

I sort of agree CW, I am very happy for any owner, local or foreign to get a return on investment PROVIDING it is by building, improving and developing the club rather than by mainly asset stripping the land around the ground.

I'm not getting any younger so just so frustrated that KT came in with £4m to spend and just wasted 6 years of my life with broken promises and spin.

Also I would help out any way I could to help make it happen. As I said I know what is possible, just wish there was more belief from our owners and fans about what we could achieve.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: FezNTFC on June 29, 2021, 15:29:50 pm

In the meantime I could see that nothing was changing off the pitch, KT had promised the £4m and I foolishly thought with new owners talking about community and growth and development, things were going to change. But nothing did. I said to Fez at York away (23 Feb 2016) that KT will not build that stand. All the staff members that had watched over DC's actions and been employed by him, all remained, not one change. Perhaps I was impatient then but I have certainly been proved 'right' (please do not take that as gloating)

I do remember that York game and you saying that - but I have to say I was thoroughly enjoying the football that night  ;D


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 29, 2021, 15:30:51 pm
yeah even their goal was stunning  :)


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 29, 2021, 18:02:14 pm

At the time I said to DC that I am his biggest fan and his biggest critic. Remember I was one, along with manwork, that was publicly threatened with libel action, but after that meeting with him, continued to 'work' at the club.


And me. Threatened 3 times by DC. Then a further few times by some of the others allegedly involved in the missing money.

There was a time when the HE was getting threatened by the hour 😀😀



Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on June 29, 2021, 19:11:56 pm
And me. Threatened 3 times by DC. Then a further few times by some of the others allegedly involved in the missing money.

There was a time when the HE was getting threatened by the hour 😀😀



Couldn't argue with the facts though could they?  ;D


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on June 29, 2021, 19:39:52 pm
yeah even their goal was stunning  :)
As you know Random I have been a bit vocal in criticising you in the past, but you have done far more for the club than I have or ever will. I didnít realise, so respect to you and Iíll bear that in mind moving forward.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 29, 2021, 22:13:17 pm
Thanks Melbourne, it is appreciated but it is fine, it is not about me, I only posted that info because you asked.

My other claim to fame is I provided (free) the office chair that DC done his famous cupboard videos on  ;D ;D ;D

Little things make the big differences (except in the case of Sam Hoskins  ;D )   

UTC



Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on June 29, 2021, 23:05:03 pm
Couldn't argue with the facts though could they?  ;D

There was a time when I/we wasnít sure whoís comments they were going to pick up on next. We had three different lawyers on the case about posts on here. Then it went silent. And has been since. Other than one dick who came after one of us. He doesnít realise his time is definitely coming though. 😀


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: woody84 on June 30, 2021, 08:59:15 am
I know you have shared before how involved you have been in the past Random but this was a lot more detail. Always good to get a sneak at what happens behind the scenes and its extremely disappointing to hear the volunteers didn't / dont get the respect they deserve. Not at football but I have worked with volunteers before and all the staff always looked after them for two reasons. One they are there out of love for the thing they are doing, and two, if they didnt do those jobs we would have to and no one wanted to  ;D

I can only assume that the reason the staff came out so strongly isn't related to the club as even people like me who 'support' KT can see that there is very limited progress, but due to how he has looked after them financially. He has paid them on time (as far as I am aware), which fair enough is his job, but after not being paid on time must be a huge relief, and also topped up their salaries during Covid, again remove a financial stress.

Manwork.... I'll give you in this post I sound like James but I assure you im not  8) ;D


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: BackOfTheNet on June 30, 2021, 09:30:23 am
My impression of KT is that he's fundamentally a decent bloke. Everyone at the club seems to like him and I think he genuinely wants to do the right thing by his employees which, while you could say it's the least you could expect, is actually a good measure of a man (see also: how someone speaks to those serving him in a restaurant or shop).

On the odd occasion I spoke to Cardoza he was polite but awkward, standoffish and it was clear he didn't really want to talk to you. I've never personally spoken to KT; I have smiled and nodded as I've passed him and he returns the gesture, but I have seen him on many occasions having a laugh and a joke with other supporters and he always seems very happy to engage with them. Turning on the charm, hollow gestures? Maybe, but I don't get that feeling.

However, he's also a businessman and, unlike us, has to have a degree of objectivity. I think he'll do what he says he will, only within his timescales and not ours. While that may frustrate us at times, we need to remember it's easy to spend other people's money!

I don't think KT does himself any favours at times with the spin he churns out - I think it's done to placate rather than to mislead, but people aren't stupid and they recognise a bit of guff when they hear it. Unfortunately a lot of people will, upon recognising spin, assume it's a deception of some sort and start second guessing what's really going on. Sometimes it's better just to say "the update is we have no update" rather than issue forth a load of hot air to try and make everyone realise how busy you've been. Again, people recognise waffle and assume it's there to obfuscate the truth. Sometimes, it really is just waffle though!

That's all just my opinion. I've nothing to back that up, but the fact I read him as being pretty much a nice guy buys him quite a lot of slack from me.


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 30, 2021, 12:38:22 pm
yeah Woody, it is difficult as you would come in on matchday, which for full-time staff / management is obviously their busiest and most stressful day.

We had a good team of around 6 / 7 volunteers selling programmes / 50-50 sellers, yes some were not vocal or the most glamorous but I maintain from a business point of view was the most effective. Programme selling is the worst job at the club as you are outside, in all weathers, in the dark, responsible for money, with minimum equipment etc, you are also away from any of the action re players etc. Compare that to the many many security staff we had on main reception at times, all paid, all eating and drinking, meeting and talking with players, VIPs etc etc. Different job I know

Club preferred to have paid staff I think as they thought they could 'motivate' them better to sell more. Not sure that worked plus programmes are far less relevant in today's instant news via social media.

The volunteers didn't ask for much and over time they did get slight more acknowledgement and invited to the end of Season dinner.

When you read about really successful clubs, especially those that are 'overachieving' they all talk about everyone being a very valued member of the team, from the tea lady to the Chairman. Sense of community and pulling toward certainly worked that amazing season with Wilder.
Harder to get the wider community of Northampton involved when we have the £10m loan fiasco and a real lack of promised development as that is all they see & know. Let alone the spates between fans, Trust, staff and owners.


 





 


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 30, 2021, 13:02:19 pm
The only thing of would say BOTN is that actions speak much louder than words !!!!

If KT is so nice and accommodating why did he insist that he would only takeover if the Trust released their place on the board?  What didn't he want them to know going forward?

Off-shore accounts, off-shore companies, Chinese investment money and agreements ?????????  Just asking!


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Gen.Disorda on June 30, 2021, 14:32:44 pm
yeah Woody, it is difficult as you would come in on matchday, which for full-time staff / management is obviously their busiest and most stressful day.

We had a good team of around 6 / 7 volunteers selling programmes / 50-50 sellers, yes some were not vocal or the most glamorous but I maintain from a business point of view was the most effective. Programme selling is the worst job at the club as you are outside, in all weathers, in the dark, responsible for money, with minimum equipment etc, you are also away from any of the action re players etc. Compare that to the many many security staff we had on main reception at times, all paid, all eating and drinking, meeting and talking with players, VIPs etc etc. Different job I know

Club preferred to have paid staff I think as they thought they could 'motivate' them better to sell more. Not sure that worked plus programmes are far less relevant in today's instant news via social media.

The volunteers didn't ask for much and over time they did get slight more acknowledgement and invited to the end of Season dinner.

When you read about really successful clubs, especially those that are 'overachieving' they all talk about everyone being a very valued member of the team, from the tea lady to the Chairman. Sense of community and pulling toward certainly worked that amazing season with Wilder.
Harder to get the wider community of Northampton involved when we have the £10m loan fiasco and a real lack of promised development as that is all they see & know. Let alone the spates between fans, Trust, staff and owners.

I used to do the 50/50 tickets when I was at School. I remember designing a logo for posters and lost all interest when the club suggested I could pay for the printing my self  ;D


Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: random on June 30, 2021, 18:14:53 pm
yep I remember you mate  :)

and yes i remember them saying that too. ???



Title: Re: Next week's open house
Post by: Manwork04 on June 30, 2021, 20:33:38 pm
I know you have shared before how involved you have been in the past Random but this was a lot more detail. Always good to get a sneak at what happens behind the scenes and its extremely disappointing to hear the volunteers didn't / dont get the respect they deserve. Not at football but I have worked with volunteers before and all the staff always looked after them for two reasons. One they are there out of love for the thing they are doing, and two, if they didnt do those jobs we would have to and no one wanted to  ;D

I can only assume that the reason the staff came out so strongly isn't related to the club as even people like me who 'support' KT can see that there is very limited progress, but due to how he has looked after them financially. He has paid them on time (as far as I am aware), which fair enough is his job, but after not being paid on time must be a huge relief, and also topped up their salaries during Covid, again remove a financial stress.

Manwork.... I'll give you in this post I sound like James but I assure you im not  8) ;D
Thanks James 😉