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Title: Max Griggs
Post by: cobblerwatch on July 13, 2021, 14:36:17 pm
Bit late reading the news but just read of Max Griggs passing.

I can't help wondering what might have been if certain individuals had not behaved in a certain way and other directors hadn't expected it always to be Max dipping into his pockets (which at that time were nowhere big as they became)

Whilst we all have thoughts on the R&D rise and fall Max was following his dream and still supported local football in Northampton even in those days.

A true football man RIP.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: JollyCobbler on July 13, 2021, 16:04:35 pm
Bit late reading the news but just read of Max Griggs passing.

I can't help wondering what might have been if certain individuals had not behaved in a certain way and other directors hadn't expected it always to be Max dipping into his pockets (which at that time were nowhere big as they became)

Whilst we all have thoughts on the R&D rise and fall Max was following his dream and still supported local football in Northampton even in those days.

A true football man RIP.

Yep, oh what might have been. RIP Max Griggs. Always a cobbler at heart.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on July 13, 2021, 16:24:02 pm
Another one ďthat might have beenĒ!
Stephen Griggs is still worth £264 million (as if 2019) so maybe not too late to make KT an offer he canít refuse??


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Manwork04 on July 14, 2021, 11:25:31 am
Another one ďthat might have beenĒ!
Stephen Griggs is still worth £264 million (as if 2019) so maybe not too late to make KT an offer he canít refuse??
We can live in hope.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: andycobbler on July 16, 2021, 14:50:44 pm
We can live in hope.

Not sure of this but, wasn't he royally stitched up by other members of the board at the time which resulted in hia m walking away and setting the diremoans up.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: cobblertone on July 16, 2021, 15:30:29 pm
Not sure of this but, wasn't he royally stitched up by other members of the board at the time which resulted in hia m walking away and setting the diremoans up.

My (limited) recollection is that he wanted full control but never managed to get it so went alone, could well be incorrect.
Met him a couple of times at DM employee functions. Very polite, warm, approachable and would talk on a level with any employee, his son Stephen wasn't as natural around people but that was many years ago. He certainly had more £ available than anyone connected to the club since, although it didn't end well for his subsequent footballing project. Another case of 'we'll never know'.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: SadOldGit on July 16, 2021, 20:13:20 pm
Yeah and in 2003 he ditched his employees and moved production to China where all power is controlled by a few despots who pretend to be representative of the wider population but in fact worship self-interest which, ironically, is the watchword of the english tory cretins.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 16, 2021, 21:39:06 pm
Yeah and in 2003 he ditched his employees and moved production to China where all power is controlled by a few despots who pretend to be representative of the wider population but in fact worship self-interest which, ironically, is the watchword of the english tory cretins.

For once I sort of agree. As much as I respect the fact the guy has passed away. There is some real romantic nonsense around his involvement with NTFC.



Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on July 16, 2021, 22:35:03 pm
Yeah and in 2003 he ditched his employees and moved production to China where all power is controlled by a few despots who pretend to be representative of the wider population but in fact worship self-interest which, ironically, is the watchword of the english tory cretins.
Close to bankruptcy and on its knees my understanding was the decision was taken as a last ditch attempt to save the business. A small number of the workforce was retained and production has slowly been ramped back up again in Wollaston with a pre Covid announcement to double production in the UK in 2020. A tough decision that seemingly saved the business and has led to significant employment once again. Alternatively they could have just gone down the toilet? Another clueless bout of poison spitting from Soggy. Head up, keep going.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on July 16, 2021, 22:51:41 pm
Before people are too critical, this guy spent 20 million on The Diamonds and handed the lot over to the supporters for free at the same time as losing £100 million in 3 years. The message to KT being donít sell the club for a pound because youíll get hammered by some cretin regardless.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: SadOldGit on July 16, 2021, 23:10:31 pm
Close to bankruptcy and on its knees my understanding was the decision was taken as a last ditch attempt to save the business. A small number of the workforce was retained and production has slowly been ramped back up again in Wollaston with a pre Covid announcement to double production in the UK in 2020. A tough decision that seemingly saved the business and has led to significant employment once again. Alternatively they could have just gone down the toilet? Another clueless bout of poison spitting from Soggy. Head up, keep going.

You really think you are billy big boots (ha ha) don't you? You ain't got a clue what you are talking about. The business was sold when the going got tough and it was bailed out by a private equity firm who have spouted typical projections of intent with nothing concrete to show other than a drop in product quality and sales. Meanwhile Solovair, still running from Wollaston, and the original suppliers of the sole incorporated in Dr Martens have taken advantage and whilst still small compared to the behemoth that was Griggs have retained integrity as well as a thriving local enterprise. I have been to the Griggs premises in Wollaston on many occasions and there is no sign of any 'doubling of production' there. You quite obviously regret your exile to Oz as a result of your greed and fear when you obviously retain a yearning for your old life but your loss is our gain, that is written in the sand.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 16, 2021, 23:20:15 pm
You really think you are billy big boots (ha ha) don't you? You ain't got a clue what you are talking about. The business was sold when the going got tough and it was bailed out by a private equity firm who have spouted typical projections of intent with nothing concrete to show other than a drop in product quality and sales. Meanwhile Solovair, still running from Wollaston, and the original suppliers of the sole incorporated in Dr Martens have taken advantage and whilst still small compared to the behemoth that was Griggs have retained integrity as well as a thriving local enterprise. I have been to the Griggs premises in Wollaston on many occasions and there is no sign of any 'doubling of production' there. You quite obviously regret your exile to Oz as a result of your greed and fear when you obviously retain a yearning for your old life but your loss is our gain, that is written in the sand.

Excessively angry, or pi$$ed 😂😂


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on July 16, 2021, 23:21:31 pm
You really think you are billy big boots (ha ha) don't you? You ain't got a clue what you are talking about. The business was sold when the going got tough and it was bailed out by a private equity firm who have spouted typical projections of intent with nothing concrete to show other than a drop in product quality and sales. Meanwhile Solovair, still running from Wollaston, and the original suppliers of the sole incorporated in Dr Martens have taken advantage and whilst still small compared to the behemoth that was Griggs have retained integrity as well as a thriving local enterprise. I have been to the Griggs premises in Wollaston on many occasions and there is no sign of any 'doubling of production' there. You quite obviously regret your exile to Oz as a result of your greed and fear when you obviously retain a yearning for your old life but your loss is our gain, that is written in the sand.
Does anyone else ever get the uneasy feeling that their missus has secretly joined the forum?


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on July 17, 2021, 00:04:39 am
As a side note as Max Griggs passed away less than 2 weeks ago my view is that out of respect any spiteful comments could have been left for a more appropriate time? However, rather hypocritically it appears when Soggy is once again unable to help oneself and as a result is subjected to that same spite, one seems rather put out? On the other hand, in the event Soggy really is my missus, sorry love.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on July 17, 2021, 06:02:51 am
You really think you are billy big boots (ha ha) don't you? You ain't got a clue what you are talking about. The business was sold when the going got tough and it was bailed out by a private equity firm who have spouted typical projections of intent with nothing concrete to show other than a drop in product quality and sales. Meanwhile Solovair, still running from Wollaston, and the original suppliers of the sole incorporated in Dr Martens have taken advantage and whilst still small compared to the behemoth that was Griggs have retained integrity as well as a thriving local enterprise. I have been to the Griggs premises in Wollaston on many occasions and there is no sign of any 'doubling of production' there. You quite obviously regret your exile to Oz as a result of your greed and fear when you obviously retain a yearning for your old life but your loss is our gain, that is written in the sand.
For the record it appears one is still being outclassed by the proverbial chimp. Head up and soldier on Soggy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-47392240

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/kennywilson1


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on July 17, 2021, 07:24:31 am
SoG appears to have ongoing issues with people who have recently died.
Maybe he's worried that he may be getting too near to the front of the queue...  ;)


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on July 17, 2021, 08:01:06 am
SoG appears to have ongoing issues with people who have recently died.
Maybe he's worried that he may be getting too near to the front of the queue...  ;)
I imagine his many visits to the premises were due to his paper round, so I would think he has years left yet?


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: cobblerwatch on July 17, 2021, 08:19:52 am
I had a recent short conversation with admin about how quickly a thread goes south - I started this one about a man who had given a great deal to sport in the county - not an analysis of his business practices and whilst I canít turn back time but I wonder if Max had stayed at the Cobblers, invested all that R&D money to make us successful would anyone be questioning his business practice? Interesting because Iíve not heard any negative comments about Derek Banks who earned his fortune via a health ruining industry ( and thatís not a pop at him, being a thoroughly nice guy who still follows the cobblers from afar)


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Manwork04 on July 17, 2021, 12:19:37 pm
I had a recent short conversation with admin about how quickly a thread goes south - I started this one about a man who had given a great deal to sport in the county - not an analysis of his business practices and whilst I canít turn back time but I wonder if Max had stayed at the Cobblers, invested all that R&D money to make us successful would anyone be questioning his business practice? Interesting because Iíve not heard any negative comments about Derek Banks who earned his fortune via a health ruining industry ( and thatís not a pop at him, being a thoroughly nice guy who still follows the cobblers from afar)
Perhaps you shouldnít start certain threads that you know will be contentious?
Your BLM taking the knee love fest was a prime example, your much better posting that on a leftist moaning site where likeminded people can discuss how the rich have destroyed the social fabric of society and Corbyn will rise like the Phoenix to save people too poor to work.



Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: cobblerwatch on July 17, 2021, 15:33:54 pm
Perhaps you shouldnít start certain threads that you know will be contentious?
Your BLM taking the knee love fest was a prime example, your much better posting that on a leftist moaning site where likeminded people can discuss how the rich have destroyed the social fabric of society and Corbyn will rise like the Phoenix to save people too poor to work.



If paying respects to Max Griggs is in your mind contentious then I think it says far more about you than it does me - and if you bothered to actually read my comments on taking the knee it was far from a love fest and in fact you might struggle to find any evidence to show I even actively support it - we all know your hatred of anything left of centre but you shouldnít let your paranoia let you see things that actually arenít there.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on July 17, 2021, 16:10:41 pm
If paying respects to Max Griggs is in your mind contentious then I think it says far more about you than it does me -

In all fairness it wasnít just you paying your respects. You did add a bit.

But donít too surprised if things get out of context. Itís an internet thing.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: cobblerwatch on July 17, 2021, 16:27:11 pm
In all fairness it wasnít just you paying your respects. You did add a bit.

But donít too surprised if things get out of context. Itís an internet thing.

Fair point it certainly was not a single line RIP but Iím still struggling to see anything overly contentious and certainly an earlier poster had every right to mention the DM manufacturing moving to China although for me a bit off topic on Max Griggs the football/county sport benefactor - but as you say itís the Internet and threads can go in all directions- cĎest la vie


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Keith on July 17, 2021, 16:52:29 pm
Perhaps you shouldnít start certain threads that you know will be contentious?
Your BLM taking the knee love fest was a prime example, your much better posting that on a leftist moaning site where likeminded people can discuss how the rich have destroyed the social fabric of society and Corbyn will rise like the Phoenix to save people too poor to work.



why don't you join in and cheer yourself up FFS you never ever post anything on this site apart from slagging other supporters views off
Go on have a go at posting something for yourself you never know you might enjoy it There you go I've made you smile,  thats better than the usual negative fellow poster slagging off none sense everyone is use to hearing from you on hear.
What's meals on wheels bringing you today for your dinner Course it can ........ Seriously you can't make this comedy gold up because its so ridiculous BTW you post on here your boring dross time and time again, I think you should find something else to occupy the streets cry you eyes out,Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzI will believe it when I see it.
Bottom line nobody knows nothing except the Queen
I'm sorry but it's just not credible


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: everbrite on July 17, 2021, 19:06:22 pm
why don't you join in and cheer yourself up FFS you never ever post anything on this site apart from slagging other supporters views off
Go on have a go at posting something for yourself you never know you might enjoy it There you go I've made you smile,  thats better than the usual negative fellow poster slagging off none sense everyone is use to hearing from you on hear.
What's meals on wheels bringing you today for your dinner Course it can ........ Seriously you can't make this comedy gold up because its so ridiculous BTW you post on here your boring dross time and time again, I think you should find something else to occupy the streets cry you eyes out,Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzI will believe it when I see it.
Bottom line nobody knows nothing except the Queen
I'm sorry but it's just not credible

 ::)....................thats what you do par excellance ;D .

Your effort is so poorly composed going from boring dross to someting else, to wheels on wheels, crying and then you have to involve the Queen, that I just wonder what its all about? Either that you are a literary genius and we all just don't appreciate it 8)


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: everbrite on July 17, 2021, 19:13:42 pm
Perhaps you shouldnít start certain threads that you know will be contentious?
Your BLM taking the knee love fest was a prime example, your much better posting that on a leftist moaning site where likeminded people can discuss how the rich have destroyed the social fabric of society and Corbyn will rise like the Phoenix to save people too poor to work.


Fair comment on Mr Watchmans BLM example... he goes where Angels fear to tread!


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: cobblerwatch on July 17, 2021, 19:14:09 pm
::)....................thats what you do par excellance ;D .

Your effort is so poorly composed going from boring dross to someting else, to wheels on wheels, crying and then you have to involve the Queen, that I just wonder what its all about? Either that you are a literary genius and we all just don't appreciate it 8)

Im with you Evers on this one - didnít understand a word of it but it made me smile 😃- I think literary genius (but possibly misunderstood in his own lifetime)


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: cobblerwatch on July 17, 2021, 19:18:08 pm
Fair comment on Mr Watchmans BLM example... he goes where Angels fear to tread!

IĎm still curious as to where I showed active support for BLM - perhaps either you or Manny can quote me on that - what I said is most people can understand the difference between taking the knee and the dubious Marxist organisation irrespective of how the two have been associated- hardly a love fest for BLM I would have thought?


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: everbrite on July 17, 2021, 20:32:13 pm
IĎm still curious as to where I showed active support for BLM - perhaps either you or Manny can quote me on that - what I said is most people can understand the difference between taking the knee and the dubious Marxist organisation irrespective of how the two have been associated- hardly a love fest for BLM I would have thought?

Regarding Mannys comment; BLM and the Knee in current climate so soon after Euros was a bit contentious.  Not that many would have known the supposed Political stance of BLM? All the best tho'.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: cobblerwatch on July 17, 2021, 20:43:33 pm
Regarding Mannys comment; BLM and the Knee in current climate so soon after Euros was a bit contentious.  Not that many would have known the supposed Political stance of BLM? All the best tho'.

I didnít really think it was contentious - I was genuinely interested in what our fans thought of our players taking the knee next season and deliberately didnít make a strong pro or con statement on the same - I thought initially the discussion was respectful and balanced - then of course comes the predictable right of Attila the Hun comments from Manny so I thought best to close the thread.

Ö. but back on topic Iím still struggling to understand why this thread was in anyway contentious


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Manwork04 on July 17, 2021, 23:46:35 pm
I didnít really think it was contentious - I was genuinely interested in what our fans thought of our players taking the knee next season and deliberately didnít make a strong pro or con statement on the same - I thought initially the discussion was respectful and balanced - then of course comes the predictable right of Attila the Hun comments from Manny so I thought best to close the thread.

Ö. but back on topic Iím still struggling to understand why this thread was in anyway contentious
I really like you Cobblerwatch, you have every right to post what you want and I respect your views, doesnít mean that I agree with them though.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Manwork04 on July 17, 2021, 23:47:59 pm
why don't you join in and cheer yourself up FFS you never ever post anything on this site apart from slagging other supporters views off
Go on have a go at posting something for yourself you never know you might enjoy it There you go I've made you smile,  thats better than the usual negative fellow poster slagging off none sense everyone is use to hearing from you on hear.
What's meals on wheels bringing you today for your dinner Course it can ........ Seriously you can't make this comedy gold up because its so ridiculous BTW you post on here your boring dross time and time again, I think you should find something else to occupy the streets cry you eyes out,Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzI will believe it when I see it.
Bottom line nobody knows nothing except the Queen
I'm sorry but it's just not credible
You havenít been taking your meds again, have you?


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: cobblerwatch on July 18, 2021, 06:46:35 am
I really like you Cobblerwatch, you have every right to post what you want and I respect your views, doesnít mean that I agree with them though.

Fair point - and I do concede sometimes I do challenge yours and others posts (not as you may think from a political view but more from the point I tend to see two sides to most controversial topics) - therefore if people have very strong views Iím interested in how these are justified, as indeed you do - which of course in a free and fair world itís the way it should be.


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Manwork04 on July 18, 2021, 09:28:13 am
Fair point - and I do concede sometimes I do challenge yours and others posts (not as you may think from a political view but more from the point I tend to see two sides to most controversial topics) - therefore if people have very strong views Iím interested in how these are justified, as indeed you do - which of course in a free and fair world itís the way it should be.
Spot on mate.👍


Title: Re: Max Griggs
Post by: Keith on July 18, 2021, 20:48:14 pm
Fair point - and I do concede sometimes I do challenge yours and others posts (not as you may think from a political view but more from the point I tend to see two sides to most controversial topics) - therefore if people have very strong views Iím interested in how these are justified, as indeed you do - which of course in a free and fair world itís the way it should be.

and i agree you two should get a room and sort out all your problems,
nice to see that both of you are not at all restricted by your needs,
the world is moving forward and its good to see you two are leading the way on here.
well done.