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Title: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: singcobb on August 16, 2021, 22:56:08 pm
I'm sorry everybody, but it looks like I'm coming to jinx this one for us. Mind you it's only two or three games a season.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 17, 2021, 12:51:19 pm
I'm sorry everybody, but it looks like I'm coming to jinx this one for us. Mind you it's only two or three games a season.
Great I’m going to let’s meet?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: singcobb on August 17, 2021, 13:14:36 pm
Great I’m going to let’s meet?

I normally park in the top carpark and go in the Sixfields. I'll pm you my number.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: guest1269 on August 17, 2021, 13:30:00 pm
I'm sorry everybody, but it looks like I'm coming to jinx this one for us. Mind you it's only two or three games a season.

Yep same for me and I get the Wimbledon game as well.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Clarity on August 17, 2021, 14:50:20 pm
I normally park in the top carpark and go in the Sixfields. I'll pm you my number.
Is this available pay per view?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on August 17, 2021, 17:24:49 pm
I'm sorry everybody, but it looks like I'm coming to jinx this one for us. Mind you it's only two or three games a season.

That's it, abandon us all in Asia. How can you escape? As soon as you can get in a game you're off!

Have a good flight!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: singcobb on August 17, 2021, 17:30:09 pm
That's it, abandon us all in Asia. How can you escape? As soon as you can get in a game you're off!

Have a good flight!

Travelling by train from Germany. Flights are a mare at the minute.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 17, 2021, 21:45:00 pm
Travelling by train from Germany. Flights are a mare at the minute.

That's probably cheaper than a train from Northampton to Barrow? 


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 17, 2021, 23:49:07 pm
Travelling by train from Germany. Flights are a mare at the minute.

You get around, Singapore then Germany probably Luxembourg next 8)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: singcobb on August 18, 2021, 08:29:21 am
Singerlux Cobbler doesn't quite have a ring to it really.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Luxembourg Cobbler on August 18, 2021, 09:18:52 am
But Luxembourg Cobbler does have a ring to it!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: singcobb on August 18, 2021, 09:32:18 am
But Luxembourg Cobbler does have a ring to it!

LuxCobb sounds better.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 18, 2021, 10:28:08 am
After Port Vale and Colchester we have Rochdale, 3 teams who in a total of 9 league games have between them not registered a single victory and are all in the bottom 3rd of the division. Port Vale after losing to us have 2 home 0-0 draws so have yet to score a goal. Colchester also have 2 draws and finally found the back of the net last night in a 1-1 draw with Mansfield. Rochdale appear to have more of a goal threat as they have scored 3 times but have also conceded 5, nobody in the division has conceded more. So far they lost 2-3 away to Harrogate who scored their winner in added time, drew 0-0 at home to Sc***horpe and last night lost 1-2 at home to FGR.
Expect a big drop in attendance from the 5800 against Port Vale as in their 2 home games Rochdale have had crowds of 2679 and 2188. Cannot see them bringing more than 2-300 so we will probably have about 5000.
Therefor we appear to have started the season with a relatively easy set of fixtures with sterner tests to come. But they say you can only beat what is put in front of you, let's hope we continue to do that on Saturday.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobblertone on August 18, 2021, 10:41:16 am
After Port Vale and Colchester we have Rochdale, 3 teams who in a total of 9 league games have between them not registered a single victory and are all in the bottom 3rd of the division. Port Vale after losing to us have 2 home 0-0 draws so have yet to score a goal. Colchester also have 2 draws and finally found the back of the net last night in a 1-1 draw with Mansfield. Rochdale appear to have more of a goal threat as they have scored 3 times but have also conceded 5, nobody in the division has conceded more. So far they lost 2-3 away to Harrogate who scored their winner in added time, drew 0-0 at home to Sc***horpe and last night lost 1-2 at home to FGR.
Expect a big drop in attendance from the 5800 against Port Vale as in their 2 home games Rochdale have had crowds of 2679 and 2188. Cannot see them bringing more than 2-300 so we will probably have about 5000.
Therefor we appear to have started the season with a relatively easy set of fixtures with sterner tests to come. But they say you can only beat what is put in front of you, let's hope we continue to do that on Saturday.

You could say that the two wins are even better as they have both only lost once this season.
Meanwhile, our old friend Keith is probably feeling some early pressure.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of twists and turns this season but it's an unusual feeling to have such a great start.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: BrixworthCobbler on August 18, 2021, 10:51:44 am
When looking at the head to head I noticed we've not beaten them since 2013.

With that in mind, I'm going for a 1-1 draw.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 18, 2021, 11:58:13 am
Indeed, Rochdale visit Sixfields on Saturday. Last season this was a league 1 fixture but of course both teams suffered relegation, Dales valiant effort saw them fall just a point short of Wigan. They did score 61 League goals, which was more than many teams including promoted Blackpool, however they shipped 78, one of the worst totals in the division.

So far this season a solitary point has been gained, a goalless draw with Scunny, sandwiched by single goal defeats to Harrogate and most recently Forest Green. They did receive a bye in the Carabao Cup as Harrogate were unable to field a team due to a Covid outbreak a couple of days after the League encounter.

Dale are perennial basement division members, they went 36 consecutive seasons in the fourth division (actually finishing bottom in both 1978 and 1980 but being re-elected) before a long awaited promotion to the third tier in 2010 thanks in the main to the goalscoring boots of Chris O'Grady (22 league goals). Sadly they only survived two seasons before relegation back to League 2, but then having got a taste for promotion they managed it again in 2014 where they remained until last season. Former Cobbler Ian Henderson was top scorer for six seasons in a row between 2014 and 2020.

41 year old Robbie Stockdale is the Dale manager, his first managerial appointment aside for a couple of short caretaker stints at Sunderland. He took over from Brian Barry-Murphy who left the club following relegation. Stockdale is a former player most notable for a spell at Middlesbrough plus loan spells with Sheffield Wednesday and West Ham. He hung up his boots in 2011 and has had coaching assignments at Grimsby, Sunderland, Hibernian and West Brom.

A relatively quiet post season saw the departures of last seasons top scorer Matty Lund (to Salford), the experienced Stephen Humphrys (Wigan) and exciting talent Kwadwo Baah (to Watford),incoming have included Aidan White (formerly of Leeds) and Conor Grant from Sheffield Wednesday.

There have been 65 games between the Cobblers and Dale, Rochdale slightly ahead with 21 wins to 20, but 24 draws. In the League we hold the upper hand 20-19. We have not won any of our last 10 games against Dale, two FA Cup games and eight in the league have seen us draw five and lose five. You have to go back to February 2013 to find a Cobblers victory, 3-1 at Sixfields thanks to goals from Platt, Langmead and Akinfenwa.
Last season both games ended in draws, goalless at Sixfields and 1-1 at the Crown Oil Arena with a Harry Smith goal cancelled out by a late equaliser by the now departed Humphrys.

Referee Carl Brook will take charge of the game, its his second year on the League list and so far in his three games this season he has shown a red card in each of them. 18 yellows too in those three games, that follows on from a round 100 yellows handed out last season. It will be his first visit to Sixfields, although we did see him twice last season, in our Papa Johns win at Exeter and in the League draw away at Gillingham in April, he booked a combined 7 Cobblers over the two games. following our game at Gillingham he took charge of Rochdales visit to Wimbledon three days later, the crunch relegation clash ending in a 3-3 draw.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 18, 2021, 12:36:32 pm
You could say that the two wins are even better as they have both only lost once this season.
Meanwhile, our old friend Keith is probably feeling some early pressure.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of twists and turns this season but it's an unusual feeling to have such a great start.
Infuriating for Keith Curle I'd imagine, Oldham team not getting the fundamentals right, needing to buy into the DNA of what Keith is all about...and having the bare faced audacity to try and play the ball into the box!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 18, 2021, 12:43:02 pm
Infuriating for Keith Curle I'd imagine, Oldham team not getting the fundamentals right, needing to buy into the DNA of what Keith is all about...and having the bare faced audacity to try and play the ball into the box!

Oldham fans not happy last night!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1427738795504451591

I don't think Curle has been around for a couple of games as he had/has Covid. Colin West handled the post match presser last night.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 18, 2021, 12:45:43 pm
Infuriating for Keith Curle I'd imagine, Oldham team not getting the fundamentals right, needing to buy into the DNA of what Keith is all about...and having the bare faced audacity to try and play the ball into the box!
:D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 18, 2021, 12:58:22 pm
Oldham fans not happy last night!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1427738795504451591

I don't think Curle has been around for a couple of games as he had/has Covid. Colin West handled the post match presser last night.
Deja vu.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: 1971cobbler on August 18, 2021, 13:00:31 pm
Looks like they've got some ongoing Covid issues;

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/rochdale-quartet-set-to-miss-cobblers-trip-after-testing-positive-for-covid-3350675


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 18, 2021, 13:36:56 pm
Infuriating for Keith Curle I'd imagine, Oldham team not getting the fundamentals right, needing to buy into the DNA of what Keith is all about...and having the bare faced audacity to try and play the ball into the box!

If only we had got rid of him sooner!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 18, 2021, 14:05:03 pm
Colin West is having to take charge of Oldham due to Keith Curle being laid low by covid and they have some players missing, had to get an emergency 'keeper in yesterday. KC is probably having to work with a lower budget than he had here and they made few early signings, in fact they signed 4 players on the Friday before their first game and threw them all straight into the team the next day. Hardly ideal pre season preparations.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 18, 2021, 14:29:41 pm
Colin West is having to take charge of Oldham due to Keith Curle being laid low by covid and they have some players missing, had to get an emergency 'keeper in yesterday. KC is probably having to work with a lower budget than he had here and they made few early signings, in fact they signed 4 players on the Friday before their first game and threw them all straight into the team the next day. Hardly ideal pre season preparations.

Are we sure he didn't think it was a buyers market again and hold out for as long as possible?  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on August 18, 2021, 15:23:27 pm
in fact they signed 4 players on the Friday before their first game and threw them all straight into the team the next day.

I would call that good housekeeping.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 18, 2021, 15:35:29 pm
Only got himself to blame!

6 Aug 2020 — Curle will not rush into anything and is content to bide his time to ensure he brings in the right players.

3 Jul 2021 — KEITH Curle insists there is still work to be done in the transfer market for Oldham Athletic, but it will not be rushed.

  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: 1971cobbler on August 18, 2021, 15:36:24 pm
I would call that good housekeeping.

Indeed! Why pay a player from July 1st when you can save circa 6 weeks wages eh?

7P's springs to mind? ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 18, 2021, 15:46:47 pm
After Port Vale and Colchester we have Rochdale, 3 teams who in a total of 9 league games have between them not registered a single victory and are all in the bottom 3rd of the division. Port Vale after losing to us have 2 home 0-0 draws so have yet to score a goal. Colchester also have 2 draws and finally found the back of the net last night in a 1-1 draw with Mansfield. Rochdale appear to have more of a goal threat as they have scored 3 times but have also conceded 5, nobody in the division has conceded more. So far they lost 2-3 away to Harrogate who scored their winner in added time, drew 0-0 at home to Sc***horpe and last night lost 1-2 at home to FGR.
Expect a big drop in attendance from the 5800 against Port Vale as in their 2 home games Rochdale have had crowds of 2679 and 2188. Cannot see them bringing more than 2-300 so we will probably have about 5000.
Therefor we appear to have started the season with a relatively easy set of fixtures with sterner tests to come. But they say you can only beat what is put in front of you, let's hope we continue to do that on Saturday.

Colchester's two draws against teams in the top six. Both teams are currently unbeaten, so fact we beat them 1-0 I think is a positive. Both Port Vale and Colchester have a common opponent in Carlisle, very difficult place to go away to, and nether have scored against them. So could be argued maybe come up against a defensively sound team?

After 3 games though, who knows.   



Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on August 18, 2021, 16:00:22 pm
I remember seeing Tommy Cannon at Spotland before a game, I think he had a roller, must've been 85?

That's all I can add, sorry.

Rock On.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 18, 2021, 16:33:38 pm
Colchester's two draws against teams in the top six. Both teams are currently unbeaten, so fact we beat them 1-0 I think is a positive. Both Port Vale and Colchester have a common opponent in Carlisle, very difficult place to go away to, and nether have scored against them. So could be argued maybe come up against a defensively sound team?


After 3 games though, who knows.   



In the top six means absolutely zilch at this stage!
By winning one game catapults you more or less into the playoffs - so of course they have lost to top six...hence the top six clubs mentioned, beating them!
Carlisle a difficult place to go away to??? Straight up the M6, off the junction and follow the road straight. Brunton Park on your right, opposite the Beehive pub!  ;)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 18, 2021, 16:43:04 pm
In the top six means absolutely zilch at this stage!
By winning one game catapults you more or less into the playoffs - so of course they have lost to top six...hence the top six clubs mentioned, beating them!
Carlisle a difficult place to go away to??? Straight up the M6, off the junction and follow the road straight. Brunton Park on your right, opposite the Beehive pub!  ;)

May as well be a local derby


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 18, 2021, 16:53:03 pm
I remember seeing Tommy Cannon at Spotland before a game, I think he had a roller, must've been 85?

That's all I can add, sorry.

Rock On.

He's only 83 now?  8)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 18, 2021, 21:24:19 pm
My first visit to Spotland was as a young lad back in 1984. Bernard Manning was playing a gig in the social club that evening.
Think ended up there again around the same season, Rochdale v Swindon Town. Ground hopping Barnsley v Sheffield United in the morning, Bradford City v Millwall in the afternoon. Pissed it down all over Yorkshire, so games off!
Ended up at Spotland, with mate saying Swindon "were decent fans"...an hour later getting threatened by worzel sounding blokes, seeing my Cobblers shirt peaking out the coat. "We're gonna right do you over next week" said worzels. They played us at the County Ground the next Saturday...and indeed brought a mob!

Millwall skinhead who'd tagged along with us from Bradford seemed oblivious to it all!  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 19, 2021, 09:29:38 am
I remember seeing Tommy Cannon at Spotland before a game, I think he had a roller, must've been 85?
Rock On.
I can recall The Krankies pulling over, and asking for directions to the Derngate. They were in a beat up old mini van.



Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Carton Lid on August 19, 2021, 09:37:41 am
I can recall The Krankies pulling over, and asking for directions to the Derngate. They were in a beat up old mini van.


Are you sure it wasn't Nicola Sturgeon going to see her favourites ?  :)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on August 19, 2021, 10:05:36 am
I see where this could be going, who else has seen a non football celebrity at a football ground?

A bit tenuous but I accidentally bumped into Michael Jackson at Exeter train station. At that time I lived in Cornwall and had to get the train home, Michael had been at St James Park with his spoon bending friend Uri Geller. He had chartered a special train full of children for some fun after.  ???


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Athena on August 19, 2021, 10:11:15 am
Years ago I was at Wolverhampton to see the Cobblers (Phil Chard scored an absolute belter that day I seem to recall) and found myself sitting next to Robert Plant.  I was absolutely gob smacked as he was a real hero of mine.  I think I was a bit 'star struck' but I did get to manage to talk to him through out the game.  What a fabulous guy he was.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Zen Master on August 19, 2021, 10:31:21 am
I sat behind Timmy Mallet at a Sherpa Vans/Leyland trophy game at Sixfields. I think Jason White scored. He was through on goal and didn’t pause, didn’t hesitate..


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 19, 2021, 10:38:20 am
I see where this could be going, who else has seen a non football celebrity at a football ground?

A bit tenuous but I accidentally bumped into Michael Jackson at Exeter train station. At that time I lived in Cornwall and had to get the train home, Michael had been at St James Park with his spoon bending friend Uri Geller. He had chartered a special train full of children for some fun after.  ???
Jeez, bumping into Jacko...must have been a Thriller!
Ouch!  :P


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 19, 2021, 10:40:04 am
I sat behind Timmy Mallet at a Sherpa Vans/Leyland trophy game at Sixfields. I think Jason White scored. He was through on goal and didn’t pause, didn’t hesitate..
The thought of that bespectacled, Oxford United weirdo being through on goal and not hesitating!  :o


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: CJ on August 19, 2021, 11:28:15 am
Years ago I was at Wolverhampton to see the Cobblers (Phil Chard scored an absolute belter that day I seem to recall) and found myself sitting next to Robert Plant.  I was absolutely gob smacked as he was a real hero of mine.  I think I was a bit 'star struck' but I did get to manage to talk to him through out the game.  What a fabulous guy he was.
Been a long time since he rock n rolled.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: CJ on August 19, 2021, 11:34:38 am
I haven't seen anyone famous other than Jeema and Mad Michelle because I only attend Cobblers games.
Oh, and DC and the Capt. There's still a slim chance of them becoming infamous. Does it count if you see someone before they come to prominence?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 19, 2021, 12:00:03 pm
I haven't seen anyone famous other than Jeema and Mad Michelle because I only attend Cobblers games.
Oh, and DC and the Capt. There's still a slim chance of them becoming infamous. Does it count if you see someone before they come to prominence?
I had the joy of sitting next to Michelle at Oxford away, all I heard from her literally all game was, and I quote “Fûck off you Cûnts”.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 19, 2021, 12:00:57 pm
I sat next to Mark Bunn away at Southend once.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Carton Lid on August 19, 2021, 12:07:27 pm
I saw Henning Wehn coming out of Adams Park after a match at Wycombe, I found out afterwards that he used to work for Wycombe.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 19, 2021, 12:12:12 pm
I sat next to Mark Bunn away at Southend once.

Did the stewards 'politely' ask you to leave the pitch?   8)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 19, 2021, 12:17:46 pm
Probably the same starting 11 as the Colchester game with Nelson replacing Horsfall. However, who will take Nelson's place on the bench as Harriman, Sowerby and Flores apparently are not yet ready and the youngsters are out on loan?.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 19, 2021, 12:44:31 pm
Did the stewards 'politely' ask you to leave the pitch?   8)
;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 19, 2021, 13:58:06 pm
I had the joy of sitting next to Michelle at Oxford away, all I heard from her literally all game was, and I quote “Fûck off you Cûnts”.

 ;D ;D ;D

I've had a very similar experience!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: CJ on August 19, 2021, 14:19:51 pm
I had the joy of sitting next to Michelle at Oxford away, all I heard from her literally all game was, and I quote “Fûck off you Cûnts”.
Do you remember when she wasn't entirely sure who she followed so did Northampton and the Direones. You'd often see her in a Cobblers top and a Direones scarf at the same time, as well as the regulation shellsuit.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Zen Master on August 19, 2021, 14:59:40 pm
 
 Remember when we played Leicester in the league, pretty hostile atmosphere all day and that pr1ck from Kasabian made the mistake of sitting in the West Stand.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 19, 2021, 15:21:45 pm

 Remember when we played Leicester in the league, pretty hostile atmosphere all day and that pr1ck from Kasabian made the mistake of sitting in the West Stand.
Ah yes. The bloke behind me gobbed at him as he was being lead out, whilst exposing his blue shirt, he was chased up the hill by NN5, and it all kicked off outside the Walter Tull after the game. Grand day out.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 19, 2021, 16:04:56 pm
I had the joy of sitting next to Michelle at Oxford away, all I heard from her literally all game was, and I quote “Fûck off you Cûnts”.

Once sat behind her at a game (Lincoln or Bristol Rovers, one or the other) and she lost her shìt when we conceded before kicking the seat in front of her to pieces!!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 19, 2021, 17:14:38 pm
I think I've lead a sheltered life compared to many on here. Either that or I sit in the nicer parts of the stadiums  :P


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: DrillingCobbler on August 19, 2021, 19:11:46 pm
Once sat behind her at a game (Lincoln or Bristol Rovers, one or the other) and she lost her shìt when we conceded before kicking the seat in front of her to pieces!!

About 10-15 years ago I was sat directly behind her at Gillingham, for a Tuesday night game. Every time the Gillingham striker got the ball (who was a black guy), she muttered very quietly 'fcuk off you p@ki bast@rd'. Real life Little Britain-esq comedy at its best!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 19, 2021, 19:53:44 pm
About late 50's ended up in the same car as Subba Row, my father was a keen Cricketer.
As for the lovely Mad Michelle can record many of her antics notably at Port Vale when that Nutter danced in front of the away end after their equaliser. Then again at Bury when a few of their fans tried to pay us a 'visit'; she went ballistic, exhibiting full repertoire of hand signals. Perhaps her finest moment was at Cheltenham when the stewards moved her at some distance from two middle aged ladies who had complained about her language/semaphores! At Wimbledon sat next to Mahoney's girl friend; she was very pretty and Portuguese. My finest moment was standing amongst Millwall fans at the Old Den. We won pretty handsomely 1-4. Not a squeak from me!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 19, 2021, 20:48:18 pm
All these celebrities...and Mad Michelle!
Ironically, Rochdale for its size, must be the most celebrity giving town in the World;
Gracie Fields, Lisa Stansfield, Cyril Smith, Mike Harding (the Rochdale Cowboy) Liz & Andy Kershaw (Radio One DJs) The Co-op...and of course, the favourite Town Hall of Adolf Hitler (guy from Austria but moved to Germany).

Oh hail the Dale!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: SadOldGit on August 19, 2021, 21:21:08 pm
All these celebrities...and Mad Michelle!
Ironically, Rochdale for its size, must be the most celebrity giving town in the World;
Gracie Fields, Lisa Stansfield, Cyril Smith, Mike Harding (the Rochdale Cowboy) Liz & Andy Kershaw (Radio One DJs) The Co-op...and of course, the favourite Town Hall of Adolf Hitler (guy from Austria but moved to Germany).

Oh hail the Dale!

Don't forget Anna Friel!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 19, 2021, 21:28:25 pm
All these celebrities...and Mad Michelle!
Ironically, Rochdale for its size, must be the most celebrity giving town in the World;
Gracie Fields, Lisa Stansfield, Cyril Smith, Mike Harding (the Rochdale Cowboy) Liz & Andy Kershaw (Radio One DJs) The Co-op...and of course, the favourite Town Hall of Adolf Hitler (guy from Austria but moved to Germany).

Oh hail the Dale!
Not so sure that Cyril Smith counts as a celebrity. More like a peadophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Smith


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 19, 2021, 22:17:13 pm
Not so sure that Cyril Smith counts as a celebrity. More like a peadophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Smith
So Cyril Smith doesn't make it in your list...but Adolph and Jacko do!  ;)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 19, 2021, 22:19:42 pm
Don't forget Anna Friel!
I did forget...and shouldn't have!
Soap operas' first lesbian kiss if I do remember...Broookside!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: WadeyCobbler on August 19, 2021, 22:29:06 pm
 I met Jo Whiley at Sixfields in reception on a night game. I sat in front of David Capel (RIP) at Nene Park. Think we won 3-2 in a night game.
Also sat in front of David Gower at the County Cricket Ground when Northants played Leiecestershire back in the late 80's. He was chatting to a young lady between innings. I also sat next to David Ripley at the Derngate for a panto. Bit of a cricket theme here and slightly off topic, although more off topic than the match thread. Let's hope we keep the run going, we're the only EFL team to win every League and Cup game this season.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 20, 2021, 00:15:58 am
I had the joy of sitting next to Michelle at Oxford away, all I heard from her literally all game was, and I quote “Fûck off you Cûnts”.
I reckon I asked her to dance to “Endless Love” at Rockerfellas one Saturday night?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on August 20, 2021, 04:30:41 am
Enjoying the celebrity spotting tales however there was one celebrity spot that I actually did feel a bit sorry for.

It was an early Saturday start for an away game at Walsall if I remember correctly. It was a beautiful warm morning and you could feel that sizzle of expectation and excitement in the air, a big away following and a day out in Birmingham. Oh yes!

We had already sunk a few for re-hydration purposes before bundling on the half ten to Birmingham New Street in great spirits, it would have been quite clear to anyone that a group of already drinking football fans had just joined the train. It was only moments after the doors had closed and the train pulled away for the first audible "Is that Trigger?" to be heard, quickly followed by, der da der dat ter, stick a pony.... you can guess the rest.

Cowering for cover under a broadsheet, in the failed hope of not being recognised was the sadly departed Roger Lloyd Pack. Maybe he had taken the wrong train to New Street who knows, but the fella had to endure a full hour or so of being called "Dave" and endless other broom related innuendoes before scarpering the minute we arrived at New Street.

Roger, thanks for all the memories, especially the 10:30 to Birmingham New Street.  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: guest1269 on August 20, 2021, 07:32:08 am
I sat next to Corrie‘s Len Fairclough many years ago at Spotlands but declined an offer to go swimming with him!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: SadOldGit on August 20, 2021, 07:40:49 am
My next door neighbour's cousin had a colleague from work who once sat in the same stand as an extra from the tv series 'Triangle' had once sat.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Arlingham Cobbler on August 20, 2021, 08:47:15 am
The Chuckle Brothers walking through the away end at Rotherham after we had won the FA cup replay to set up the home game against Man Utd in the next round………can’t get much more A list celebrity spotting than that


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 20, 2021, 08:57:27 am
I sit near Everbright in the west stand.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 20, 2021, 10:15:55 am
Mark Lawson is frequently seen at Cobblers games, home and away and sometimes travels on the trust coach.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 20, 2021, 10:26:39 am
I reckon I asked her to dance to “Endless Love” at Rockerfellas one Saturday night?

Brave man ;D .


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 20, 2021, 10:41:29 am
Brave man ;D .

Nothing brave about going to rockerfellas. Misguided maybe.🤩


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 20, 2021, 10:57:13 am
Nothing brave about going to rockerfellas. Misguided maybe.🤩

It was an ironic comment ::)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 20, 2021, 11:00:54 am
It was an ironic comment ::)

Mine was tongue in cheek.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: honcho on August 20, 2021, 11:39:32 am
Mark Lawson is frequently seen at Cobblers games, home and away and sometimes travels on the trust coach.

Mark Lawson Guardian columnist?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobblertone on August 20, 2021, 11:50:52 am
Mark Lawson Guardian columnist?

Yeah, he lives local. Not quite Ryan Reynolds  :P


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 20, 2021, 12:14:42 pm
So Cyril Smith doesn't make it in your list...but Adolph and Jacko do!  ;)
Who mentioned Jacko?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 20, 2021, 12:14:45 pm
I saw “Uncle Albert” of only fools and horses fame (RIP) at an away game at Southend one Boxing Day.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 20, 2021, 12:41:50 pm
I saw “Uncle Albert” of only fools and horses fame (RIP) at an away game at Southend one Boxing Day.

Did he tell you about his time in the war?  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: WadeyCobbler on August 20, 2021, 12:55:12 pm
Met John Motson in the West Stand concourse a couple of years ago. He was a guest of KT. He said he tries to get to Sixfields when he can!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 20, 2021, 13:25:43 pm
Who mentioned Jacko?
It ties in with my the post I was quoting!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 20, 2021, 13:28:44 pm
Boringly going off topic about anyone famous you might have sat next to at a game...yes, I have sat infront of Ian Botham at Sc***horpe, and Charlie Nicholas at Arsenal v Spurs (reserve game) at Highbury...but this is the Rochdale game  thread!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on August 20, 2021, 13:46:49 pm
Boringly going off topic about anyone famous you might have sat next to at a game...yes, I have sat infront of Ian Botham at Sc***horpe, and Charlie Nicholas at Arsenal v Spurs (reserve game) at Highbury...but this is the Rochdale game  thread!

That's Sir Ian Botham to you cat! Did he come on as sub at our place I can't honestly remember, I was at the game at The County Ground when he was signed for Scunthorpe cant remember if he got on! If so I have seen Botham play professional football and hit a six, from The Hotel End!

Zomerzet!

It's the right thread, remember Tommy Cannon started all this and he was chairman of Dale so bang on topic and we don't kick off till 3pm.  ;)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on August 20, 2021, 13:50:08 pm
My next door neighbour's cousin had a colleague from work who once sat in the same stand as an extra from the tv series 'Triangle' had once sat.

Except for this one Git, should clearly be in the "Extras from Triangle" thread, try and pay a bit more attention in future.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobblertone on August 20, 2021, 14:22:44 pm
Boringly going off topic about anyone famous you might have sat next to at a game...yes, I have sat infront of Ian Botham at Sc***horpe, and Charlie Nicholas at Arsenal v Spurs (reserve game) at Highbury...but this is the Rochdale game  thread!

I was sitting at a bar one to one for half and hour with Pele in Antigua at my own wedding (he gatecrashed and not invited  :P), 13th May 1998 whilst there was a game going on at Sixfields. I filled him in on the details and he admired my white tux.
I couldn't actually find the score out until the following day. It is a significant comfort of missing 'that' game.

Back closer on topic, my first away game was at Rochdale, 1983, a 1-1 draw in front of about 1,400 and not many Cobblers fans. As a teen I remember feeling as though I was visiting another world! The FA cup anti-climax a particular Rochdale low.

Very close in the head to head but we are definitely overdue a 'W'. They are one of the few teams who I think of being more 4th division than us, despite being far more successful in League One than us recently.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 20, 2021, 14:31:01 pm
As we've gone slightly off topic; I once walked past Roy Evans as I was coming out of Luton airport and similarly Jimmy Hill
outside Upton Park. I've also seen Alan Moore shopping in Morrisons on several occasions. He never has a trolley only a basket.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobblertone on August 20, 2021, 14:49:29 pm

I've also seen Alan Moore shopping in Morrisons on several occasions. He never has a trolley only a basket.


He must be the most unassuming, interesting but successful and famous person that we see walking around the town. If he hadn't shunned Hollywood he'd be a multi-millionaire mega star.

He's probably never seen us play Rochdale.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 20, 2021, 14:54:49 pm
I had breakfast with Geoff Hirst in Brighton a few years ago at the Landsdowne Hotel. Let’s say he’s not going to be the life and soul at any party, he’s no “Party Beast” as they say in Germany.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 20, 2021, 14:59:04 pm
To add to my breakfast meetings I shared some eggs and bacon with the Hairy Bikers at the Aviator Hotel in Farnborough, they are absolutely top blokes.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 20, 2021, 15:02:48 pm
I had breakfast with Geoff Hirst in Brighton a few years ago at the Landsdowne Hotel. Let’s say he’s not going to be the life and soul at any party, he’s no “Party Beast” as they say in Germany.

Not the Geoff Hurst who scored a hat trick in the world cup final then.😁


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 20, 2021, 15:04:54 pm
Not the Geoff Hurst who scored a hat trick in the world cup final then.😁
I wouldn’t know he barley spoke.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 20, 2021, 15:06:34 pm
He must be the most unassuming, interesting but successful and famous person that we see walking around the town. If he hadn't shunned Hollywood he'd be a multi-millionaire mega star.

He's probably never seen us play Rochdale.

But just like us, he loves Northampton.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 20, 2021, 15:24:10 pm
I bought Mark Radcliffe a pint once at Cropredy.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on August 20, 2021, 16:07:09 pm
I bought Mark Radcliffe a pint once at Cropredy.

Great festival, especially if you're a smelly boater. Mark was born in Bolton so another famous local person, see what you did there. :D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 20, 2021, 16:20:52 pm
I once went on a stag night with Robert Rosario bouncing around Chelsea with a load of page three models.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Carton Lid on August 20, 2021, 16:22:01 pm
I bought Mark Radcliffe a pint once at Cropredy.
I used to work at Cropredy Festival, I went backstage to the big marque were all our stuff was and I saw this bloke standing by the entrance. It was one of those "Where do I know you from ?" moments, after a few minutes I remembered where I'd seen him before, it was Robert Plant !


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 20, 2021, 16:59:48 pm
I used to work at Cropredy Festival, I went backstage to the big marque were all our stuff was and I saw this bloke standing by the entrance. It was one of those "Where do I know you from ?" moments, after a few minutes I remembered where I'd seen him before, it was Robert Plant !
Bumped into him a couple of times there. And Billy Conolly. And Ade Edmondson. Good place for celeb spotting.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 20, 2021, 18:35:48 pm
Anyway, back to tomorrow's game. I won't be there as I'm on holiday in South Wales. Quite confident of victory though.
2-0.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 20, 2021, 19:01:31 pm
I sat in front of that tosser from Kasabian when we played Leicester at Sixfields  a few years ago. He had a big minder either side of him and one of them called me a retard. ;D They were lucky I was in a good mood.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: WadeyCobbler on August 20, 2021, 19:17:00 pm
Now breakfasts have been mentioned, I was having breakfast in a Manchester hotel about 10 years ago and Steve Perryman was having breakfast at the next table. He didn't have the full English, just cereal, toast and fruit.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 20, 2021, 19:50:01 pm
My family and my cousins family went for a curry in Hexham about 10 years ago and Brian Johnson and his family came in and sat on the next table. He kept his cap on the whole time.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 20, 2021, 20:20:44 pm
Anyway, back to tomorrow's game. I won't be there as I'm on holiday in South Wales. Quite confident of victory though.
2-0.
Part timer!!!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Keith on August 20, 2021, 20:30:25 pm
Me and Deepcut/Everbrite and Marquis,
once had a great laugh, in 1978.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Freddie Ramscar on August 20, 2021, 20:34:19 pm
Me and Deepcut/Everbrite and Marquis,
once had a great laugh, in 1978.


Was that when the cobblers were relegated?



Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 20, 2021, 20:52:50 pm
Mine was tongue in cheek.

You don't do tongue in cheek - its not your style 8)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 20, 2021, 21:17:34 pm
Me and Deepcut/Everbrite and Marquis,
once had a great laugh, in 1978.


7640 Did we?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 20, 2021, 22:27:44 pm
Right, enough is enough!
Actually, on second thoughts, carry on...the thought of someone mentioning the chippy opposite Spotland, or worse, asking for the best place to park, or if the gravel carpark is or isn't open is too much for me!  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 20, 2021, 23:07:01 pm
So back to the task at hand…

Dale have 3 that started their first game of the season out with a 4th just returned post COVID. The CM that’s been drafted into the starting 11 to cover is also out.

We’ve won 2/2.

They haven’t won yet at 3 attempts.

They played on Tuesday night.

We’ve had a week off.

All things point to another win right!? 


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Gen.Disorda on August 21, 2021, 05:19:10 am
So back to the task at hand…

Dale have 3 that started their first game of the season out with a 4th just returned post COVID. The CM that’s been drafted into the starting 11 to cover is also out.

We’ve won 2/2.

They haven’t won yet at 3 attempts.

They played on Tuesday night.

We’ve had a week off.

All things point to another win right!? 

You are right. Everything points to a Cobblers win. So I will be betting on 1-3 Rochdale 😂🤣😂


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 21, 2021, 07:22:54 am
I once had a few drinks with David Bernstein while chatting about his Man City days. He was a really nice guy and a proper football man. Stood his round too! ;D

Also met Ben Kay at a function (another nice bloke) and could have met Clive Woodward at another event but decided not to bother having heard him speak earlier in the day - the most obnoxious, egocentric speaker I've ever heard. I once met Phil Neal while in hospitality at Anfield and tried to strike up a conversation about the Cobblers but he was a miserable bugger!

On top of that I've seen Alex Ferguson at Euston Station, David Coulthard shopping at Bicester village, Robbie Williams and Sinitta shopping in Selfridges (not together) and Rickaaay from Eastenders p1ssing it up in Northampton (several times, actually)

Tenuously, I went to the same lower school as Alan Moore's daughter. I remember my mum saying he "drew cartoons or something"  ;D

Seeing Geoff Hurst mentioned, my mate has a good story about him. He used to work in sporting hospitality and had met Geoff Hurst on a number of occasions. As others have said, my mate confirms that while  he'll turn up to anything if he's paid to be there he's hardly the life and soul of the party when he's there. Suffice to say, my mate wasn't exactly keen to speak to him again, but saw him chatting to another footballing luminary of a lesser stature who my friend had never met (I honestly can't remember who he said it was). My mate wandered over, autograph book in hand and waited politely for the chance to ask for the other guy's autograph. Hurst clocked him standing there, tutted, rolled his eyes and snatched the autograph book from him, scrawling his name in it before thrusting it back to my mate without saying a word. When my friend didn't move, Hurst turned back to him and said "What?!" at which point my friend uttered the immortal line "Actually, I didn't want your autograph, I wanted his."

Geoff really wasn't amused but it seemed to make the other bloke's day!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 21, 2021, 09:02:05 am
I once had a few drinks with David Bernstein while chatting about his Man City days. He was a really nice guy and a proper football man. Stood his round too! ;D

Also met Ben Kay at a function (another nice bloke) and could have met Clive Woodward at another event but decided not to bother having heard him speak earlier in the day - the most obnoxious, egocentric speaker I've ever heard. I once met Phil Neal while in hospitality at Anfield and tried to strike up a conversation about the Cobblers but he was a miserable bugger!

On top of that I've seen Alex Ferguson at Euston Station, David Coulthard shopping at Bicester village, Robbie Williams and Sinitta shopping in Selfridges (not together) and Rickaaay from Eastenders p1ssing it up in Northampton (several times, actually)

Tenuously, I went to the same lower school as Alan Moore's daughter. I remember my mum saying he "drew cartoons or something"  ;D

Seeing Geoff Hurst mentioned, my mate has a good story about him. He used to work in sporting hospitality and had met Geoff Hurst on a number of occasions. As others have said, my mate confirms that while  he'll turn up to anything if he's paid to be there he's hardly the life and soul of the party when he's there. Suffice to say, my mate wasn't exactly keen to speak to him again, but saw him chatting to another footballing luminary of a lesser stature who my friend had never met (I honestly can't remember who he said it was). My mate wandered over, autograph book in hand and waited politely for the chance to ask for the other guy's autograph. Hurst clocked him standing there, tutted, rolled his eyes and snatched the autograph book from him, scrawling his name in it before thrusting it back to my mate without saying a word. When my friend didn't move, Hurst turned back to him and said "What?!" at which point my friend uttered the immortal line "Actually, I didn't want your autograph, I wanted his."

Geoff really wasn't amused but it seemed to make the other bloke's day!


Wow just wow!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
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Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Harpole Cobbler on August 21, 2021, 11:51:53 am
As a lad, I had two heroes - Robin Hood and Pat Jennings. Not sure why, I've never bumped into the man in tights, but Pat Jennings ...

Around 20 years ago, I was lucky enough to be invited to a golf day set up to rasie money for Irish charities. Terry Wogan hosted it. Others attending included Ronnie Corbett and Jimmy Tarbuck. At the evening meal, I sat at my appointed place at a big round table and started chatting to theunfortunate individual on my left who'd been charged with looking after me. I sensed someone taking theirplace in theempty seat to my right. I turned slightly and noticed, resting on the table next to me, the hugest hairiest pair of hands I'd ever seen. Without lookig up I knew who it must be and nearly passed out.

Poor Pat. Such a lovely bloke, but painfully shy and was obviously desperate to be almost anywhere else than saitting ext to a gibbering, over-excited fan. This was around the time Sol Campbell was about to leave Spurs for Arsenal. As he'd made the same move years before, I started asking him about it, but he really wasn't keen to chat. As the drink kicked in, I behaved increasingly disgracefully and regaled him with a blow-by-blow account of the two games in the 65/66 season - we lost to Spurs 2-0 at home and drew 1-1 away. Oddly enough, he didn't recall the matches in quite same incsive detail that I was able to muster. I was also able to remnd him that in goal for Spurs in the away game, was Bill Brown, who a couple of seasons later enjoyed the great misfortune to play in gola for the Cobblers.

Pat Jennings - A lovely man. Somehow, I've a feeling he didn't feel the same way about me.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: tcobb on August 21, 2021, 12:33:22 pm
Seen quite a few well know people over the years, mainly through work. Best well known football one was Joe Royale, spent 2 hours sat next to him on a plane coming back from Sweden, excellent person to talk football with.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: SadOldGit on August 21, 2021, 12:55:29 pm
Seen quite a few well know people over the years, mainly through work. Best well known football one was Joe Royale, spent 2 hours sat next to him on a plane coming back from Sweden, excellent person to talk football with.

Joe Royale? Did he have fries with his burger?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: CJ on August 21, 2021, 13:08:57 pm
Glad to see that xunt Henderson no longer plays for them. Could see him spoiling a four game winning streak.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: singcobb on August 21, 2021, 13:25:38 pm
I played cricket with Daren Bicknell and John Embury, bumped into the king of Bahrain(litterally), Ray Davies, Di a few times when she was younger and apparently some bloke from Eastenders so I was told.





Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: BackOfTheNet on August 21, 2021, 13:37:06 pm
Another one I've just thought of - went on a jolly to White Hart Lane a few years ago to see Spurs play Everton. It was all a bit last minute and we ended up in reception trying to convince them to let us through without any credentials because we couldn't get hold of the guy that had invited us. We eventually blagged our way in and as we went through the door into the hospitality area we passed none other than Mick Mccarthy - who they were refusing to let in!!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 21, 2021, 14:10:44 pm
Cobblers: Roberts, McGowan, Nelson, Guthrie, Mills, McWilliams, Lewis, Hoskins, Pinnock, Kabamba, Etete.

Subs: Maxted, Koiki, Flores, Pollock, Connolly, Ashley-Seal, Rose #ntfc


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 21, 2021, 14:28:24 pm
Hoskins starts over Connolly.
I know its early bit I was interested in what Connolly would offer in this league.

Impact sub it is ahaha


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Winslow Lee on August 21, 2021, 14:38:25 pm
Hoskins starts over Connolly.
I know its early bit I was interested in what Connolly would offer in this league.

Impact sub it is ahaha

I think this season it will be making the most of your opportunities, do well when you come on as sub, when replacing missing players or playing in cup competitions and you will be able to force your way into the starting line up.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 21, 2021, 14:41:32 pm
yeah I think its a case of Hoskins has done nothing to make him droppable...to at least 6 managers, despite what people think.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 21, 2021, 15:02:52 pm
yeah I think its a case of Hoskins has done nothing to make him droppable...to at least 6 managers, despite what people think.

He defo divides opinion, much like Gilly did I think. Not the most naturally gifted, however he has become a good servant to club, with what appears (as you have pointed out) a professional and hard working attitude.




Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 21, 2021, 15:05:34 pm
Come on lads!!!!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 21, 2021, 15:10:45 pm
Come on lads!!!!
Thank the Lord!!! 606 was worried sick!!!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 21, 2021, 15:15:11 pm
Thank the Lord!!! 606 was worried sick!!!
606 is a worrier make no mistake


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 21, 2021, 15:15:50 pm
Oldham getting pumped at home bye bye Curle


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 21, 2021, 15:17:21 pm
Oldham getting pumped at home bye bye Curle

Not going to do his ego any good.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 21, 2021, 15:19:46 pm
Brady out


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 21, 2021, 15:20:09 pm
Sack e'm all!!!!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 21, 2021, 15:23:02 pm
Brady in


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 21, 2021, 15:24:18 pm
The Guthmiester


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 21, 2021, 15:26:17 pm


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 21, 2021, 15:41:17 pm
ET and Bambi have been very quiet today.
Im getting worried


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: 1971cobbler on August 21, 2021, 16:00:56 pm
Oldham getting pumped at home bye bye Curle

Not as quickly out the door as Joey Barton? Four down inside 25 minutes at Exeter.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 21, 2021, 16:18:50 pm
Mills is awful isn’t he.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 21, 2021, 16:32:04 pm
All long ball stuff from the Cobblers.

The two danger men are on upfront.

Mills and McGowen getting turned inside out each time the come forward.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 21, 2021, 16:33:51 pm
Mills is awful isn’t he.

Coming from a footballing club like FFG and the fan feedback he had, I am surprised how poor he's been.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 21, 2021, 16:34:36 pm
I truly believe theres a 2nd goal in us


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 21, 2021, 16:36:24 pm
I truly believe theres a 2nd goal in us
I don't


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobblertone on August 21, 2021, 16:36:33 pm
I truly believe theres a 2nd goal in us

There needs to be.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 21, 2021, 16:37:33 pm
Brady out again


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: WasRambo on August 21, 2021, 16:37:48 pm
Honeymoon over


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 21, 2021, 16:37:57 pm
Nelson  ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 21, 2021, 16:39:54 pm
They look the much better side so we can’t complain. Every ball seems to be hit long, they are much better in the air at the back than we are up top.



Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 21, 2021, 16:45:33 pm
Only 3 games in, always going to happen.

Full backs looks a weak spot.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 21, 2021, 16:49:27 pm


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 21, 2021, 16:49:55 pm


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 21, 2021, 16:57:29 pm
Oh dear.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: WasRambo on August 21, 2021, 16:58:08 pm
Ugh... Duffed at home by Rochdale... That never sounds good


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: 1971cobbler on August 21, 2021, 17:04:45 pm
You are right. Everything points to a Cobblers win. So I will be betting on 1-3 Rochdale 😂🤣😂

 8)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 21, 2021, 17:05:13 pm
Positives: None

Negatives: Mills, Nelson, Lewis and the managers tactical awareness.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: 606 Parklands_Cobbler on August 21, 2021, 17:06:49 pm
that was very....curleball


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobblertone on August 21, 2021, 17:07:17 pm
Proper bogey team. Forest Green and Bradford setting the early pace.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 21, 2021, 17:09:07 pm
appalling display .
No width , no penetration , no strength , no brains .
They out played us in every position on the pitch .
We need more creativity , better movement , more composure , more desire.
No positives whatsoever out of that game .
Let’s hope it’s a blip and we move on .


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 21, 2021, 17:11:47 pm
Ugh... Duffed at home by Rochdale... That never sounds good

It wasn't good. To be fair, Rochdale looked a better side than their lowly postion suggested. Second goal looked offside, but Dale deserved to win.

The most disappointing thing for me was the lack of creativity, intensity and urgency in the second half. We were far too slow in the second half and played far too many "safe" square or backward passes, giving Rochdale all the time in the world to organise thenselves and comfortably defend our inevitable hopeful punts upfield. Rochdale had big central defenders who were strong in the air and that tactic was never going to work today.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 21, 2021, 17:12:13 pm
Really poor performance. No out ball when in possession, acres of space for their players when they had the ball, no creativity, toothless up front and worst of all nowhere near full commitment. Couldn’t press a doorbell let alone one of their players on the ball. BAS was a pointless substitute, smacked of bereft of ideas from the management, I hardly know where to stop. I despise days like today, it was almost like we couldn’t be bothered and that’s a worry. Hoskins man of the match says it all because he was below average at best. On that showing we are going nowhere this season, form can be temporary but effort should be permanent. Where’s the winning mentality.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Wanderingteyn on August 21, 2021, 17:13:47 pm
Terrible performance. Was like watching a Keith Curle team.

No creativity and I don't think anyone had a good game.

Very poor subs too.

Still. At least the weather is nice.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 21, 2021, 17:17:37 pm
appalling display .
No width , no penetration , no strength , no brains .
They out played us in every position on the pitch .
We need more creativity , better movement , more composure , more desire.
No positives whatsoever out of that game .
Let’s hope it’s a blip and we move on .

Not at the game, very clear Brady is still finding his best team. Rochdale always looked a good footballing side and always been a bit of a bogey team for us, you never know they might be up there at the end of the season.
Missed Frazier today that's for sure. 4-4-2 does not inspire me, and nether does bringing on BAS.
The two big lads up the top might not be the best combo ether.
Crawley will be a good indicator, very average league 2 side, very weak defensively, personally think we have enough to get three points there.  


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: bungle on August 21, 2021, 17:20:20 pm
The defeat itself doesn't bother me too much. Winning runs have to end at some point, and even Wilder's title winners tasted defeat at a similar stage of the season.

However, IMO the manner of the defeat has brought a few wider concerns to the fore which need to be rectified ASAP if we are going to have a successful season:

We are extremely reliant on set plays and have yet to score a league goal from open play this season. Despite Brady's stated desire to develop a more effective 'bums off seats' style following relegation, we are still repeating last year's fatal error and consistently failing to create enough chances from open play.

Why? Because he's keeping his two most creative central midfielders on the bench (Flores and Pollock) and playing a utility player out wide whilst one of the fastest wingers in the league gathers splinters on the sidelines. The entire creative burden is currently on Pinnock and sides will soon work out that if they stop him they stop our entire threat. McWilliams and Lewis are too similar and Lewis is the one who should make way due to Sean's superior pressing ability. We need a ball-playing central midfielder to stop the defence pumping it long and bypassing the midfield every time (which is always going to be a temptation for lower league centre backs when you play with two 6ft+ centre forwards).  

I'm definitely at the pro-Hoskins end of the spectrum on here, but the man simply doesn't have the crossing ability, assists or goals record to be starting for us at home on the wing. If we're going to play 4-4-2 it needs to be with proper wingers who can cross the ball: start Connolly and give him a run in the side. If Connolly isn't up to it (and Brady should know being a former winger himself) then use some of the Chuks money to get another winger in. Use Hoskins as sub to close games down when we're in the lead or, at a push, start him in tight away games where his superior workrate will pay dividends. If you play 4-4-2 then you have to get the wingers right - it's as simple as that.
 
At the other end of the pitch, I'd be tempted to bring Harriman back in against the stronger sides as soon as he's fit. He's arguably our best defensive full back.

Brady needs to be braver.


                              Roberts

           Mills/Harriman  Horsfall  Guthrie McGowan/Harriman

                             Pollock/Flores.  McWilliams

                   Connolly                                      Pinnock

                                Kabamba          Etete








Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 21, 2021, 17:37:27 pm
That’s all fair comment Bungle but there are deeper concerns for me. When ifollow is available tomorrow when we are in possession pause it. We had barely an option for our player in possession second half. If you do the same exercise for Rochdale there was movement and players in space everywhere. Entirely too much ambling around by our players out of possession both when we had the ball and when Rochdale had it. For me that’s where games are won and lost and that’s going right back to the dark days under JFH and Austin. Recruitment was supposed to be about players with the right mentality. I can accept a poor pass, a shot off target, a mistimed tackle, but lack of effort and commitment? Far too much half hearted trotting around, it was like watching the dressage final at the Olympics all over again.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 21, 2021, 17:39:07 pm
I'm sorry everybody, but it looks like I'm coming to jinx this one for us. Mind you it's only two or three games a season.

I blame Singcobb.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 21, 2021, 17:45:05 pm
I really don’t know where to start…… I’ll start with the substitutes which basically killed any chance we had of getting a draw, awful decision to take our best two strikers off and play a very slow non scoring one and BAS who is utterly useless.
Playing with two horribly slow fullbacks in a 4 is a recipe for disaster, add to that Sid Nelson and you get what we deserved.
I will leave with a special mention for Lewis………what does he do well? I’m at a loss how pollock isn’t in that side.
We need a couple more players, a Center mid and another Center half.
How Mills is getting in the team ahead of Kioki only Brady knows.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 21, 2021, 17:45:57 pm
You are right. Everything points to a Cobblers win. So I will be betting on 1-3 Rochdale 😂🤣😂

Good call Gen. Hope you got your bet on.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Wanderingteyn on August 21, 2021, 17:48:39 pm
I really don’t know where to start…… I’ll start with the substitutes which basically killed any chance we had of getting a draw, awful decision to take our best two strikers off and play a very slow non scoring one and BAS who is utterly useless.
Playing with two horribly slow fullbacks in a 4 is a recipe for disaster, add to that Sid Nelson and you get what we deserved.
I will leave with a special mention for Lewis………what does he do well? I’m at a loss how pollock isn’t in that side.
We need a couple more players, a Center mid and another Center half.
How Mills is getting in the team ahead of Kioki only Brady knows.

Lewis was woeful.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 21, 2021, 17:59:14 pm
appalling display .
No width , no penetration , no strength , no brains .
They out played us in every position on the pitch .
We need more creativity , better movement , more composure , more desire.
No positives whatsoever out of that game .
Let’s hope it’s a blip and we move on .

Short and sweet. Hits the nail on the head for me.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 21, 2021, 18:01:04 pm
I really don’t know where to start…… I’ll start with the substitutes which basically killed any chance we had of getting a draw, awful decision to take our best two strikers off and play a very slow non scoring one and BAS who is utterly useless.
Playing with two horribly slow fullbacks in a 4 is a recipe for disaster, add to that Sid Nelson and you get what we deserved.
I will leave with a special mention for Lewis………what does he do well? I’m at a loss how pollock isn’t in that side.
We need a couple more players, a Center mid and another Center half.
How Mills is getting in the team ahead of Kioki only Brady knows.

Very very strange subs I must admit.

The poor guys coming on stood no chance of winning any of Nelsons 500 odd punts up field. Their defence dominated and it’s baffling that the management didn’t try something different.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: ntfclad on August 21, 2021, 18:12:01 pm
It was all so safe. Sideways and backwards and then inevitably all that was left was for Nelson to thump it long. Need some creativity on the pitch. Pollock or Flores over Lewis for me.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Risdene on August 21, 2021, 18:18:29 pm
I really don’t know where to start…… I’ll start with the substitutes which basically killed any chance we had of getting a draw, awful decision to take our best two strikers off and play a very slow non scoring one and BAS who is utterly useless.
Playing with two horribly slow fullbacks in a 4 is a recipe for disaster, add to that Sid Nelson and you get what we deserved.
I will leave with a special mention for Lewis………what does he do well? I’m at a loss how pollock isn’t in that side.
We need a couple more players, a Center mid and another Center half.
How Mills is getting in the team ahead of Kioki only Brady knows.
You say we need another centre mid and centre half......look in the squad, Pollock and Horsfall....easy, next!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 21, 2021, 18:22:06 pm
We always seem to reserve our worst performances for when we play Rochdale. That was horrific, our full backs were simply roasted by their wingers, particularly Mills in the second half, how many crosses went in from our left. The second goal was bad enough (Brady thought it was onside), but that third goal beggars belief, we lost the ball in their half and they run the length of the pitch to score. I know it didn't make any difference to the result but that goal could become important by the end of the season.

As for the subs, I said as soon as I saw BAS and Rose come on that would be the end of our scoring and that was exactly what happened. Etete and Kabamba weren't doing particularly well but they were far more likely to score than BAS and Rose, although to be fair to all four of them we didn't create much for them, just like last season.

I would have liked to see Koiki come on for Hoskins just to see if he could create something with his dribbling skills, no one else seems to be able to beat a man.

On a final note I hate it when managers and players say 'we can't win every game', 'there will be twists and turns along the way' - yes we know that, and don't need to be told, it almost seems like an excuse for losing to me, when in reality Rochdale were the better side. Let's not forget they had four players out with Covid and one with concussion.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Baldy on August 21, 2021, 18:23:13 pm


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 21, 2021, 18:33:40 pm
We are playing a flat back 4 who do not go beyond the half way line and 2 holding midfielders that are getting over run every game .
The luxury players are the wide men that are playing very narrow .
This has to change and i agree that Flores or Pollock has to play unless the full backs push on more .
Kabamba was awful today and he 100% deserved hooking off . I would have kept Etete on with Rose and taken Hoskins off for Koiki .
Sammy was terrible today and JB should have changed it much earlier in a different way .
The system we are playing isn’t right and it has to change .


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 21, 2021, 18:46:26 pm
Apart from the goal we never troubled their 'keeper and did not look likely to. The first half was pretty even but we resorted to pumping long balls forward instead of getting the ball on the deck and trying to be ceative. As with last season you begin to wonder where  the goals are coming from as we looked bereft of creativity today.
Taking off both strikers together was a strange call although neither were having great games.
Rochdale were far the better side in the second half and fully deserved the 3 points but remember this was a team that had to sell 3 of their best players and had 4-5 others either isolating or injured. They are now made up of the remaining experienced players and a bunch of kids, they have 5-6 on loan.
On another note I see Harry Smith scored for Orient today and Tshimanga beat 3 defenders and slotted the ball home for Chesterfield, strange that no league club signed him.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: bungle on August 21, 2021, 19:03:55 pm
That’s all fair comment Bungle but there are deeper concerns for me...We had barely an option for our player in possession second half... I can accept a poor pass, a shot off target, a mistimed tackle, but lack of effort and commitment?

Ok, but I'd argue that our lack of movement is primarily a personnel issue rather than a 'lack of effort' issue.

When an L2 centre back receives the ball it takes a supreme effort of will to avoid bypassing the midfield and lumping it forward to a 6'6 centre forward (even one like Etete who is probably better with his feet): it will always be the easiest and most tempting option.

If you put Pollock or Flores in there it gives the defence someone in midfield who actively wants the ball and is comfortable in receiving possession - result: fewer long balls.

Similarly, if McWilliams gets the ball as a DM he will be tempted to lump it forward unless he has a midfield partner with the nous and attacking spirit to take up an advanced position 'between the lines' or a natural winger making a run on the overlap. Lewis doesn't move like a creative midfielder; Hoskins doesn't move like a winger. Personnel matters.

Rochdale were Covid-ravaged but you can't help but compare their selection of Odoh, a 20-year old attacking midfielder who passed us off the park and scored their third, with Scott Pollock who languished on the bench whilst our pedestrian midfield played statues.

Of course, the other elephant in the room is whether 4-4-2 is simply too prehistoric and inflexible against a side playing a modern formation like Dale's 3-4-3. There's certainly a reason why no Prem sides and even very few L1 sides play 4-4-2 these days - it's too easy to combat if you have the wide players to pull the oppositions' full backs out of position.

 










 



Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Boot and shoe on August 21, 2021, 19:39:10 pm
Ok, but I'd argue that our lack of movement is primarily a personnel issue rather than a 'lack of effort' issue.

When an L2 centre back receives the ball it takes a supreme effort of will to avoid bypassing the midfield and lumping it forward to a 6'6 centre forward (even one like Etete who is probably better with his feet): it will always be the easiest and most tempting option.

If you put Pollock or Flores in there it gives the defence someone in midfield who actively wants the ball and is comfortable in receiving possession - result: fewer long balls.

Similarly, if McWilliams gets the ball as a DM he will be tempted to lump it forward unless he has a midfield partner with the nous and attacking spirit to take up an advanced position 'between the lines' or a natural winger making a run on the overlap. Lewis doesn't move like a creative midfielder; Hoskins doesn't move like a winger. Personnel matters.

Rochdale were Covid-ravaged but you can't help but compare their selection of Odoh, a 20-year old attacking midfielder who passed us off the park and scored their third, with Scott Pollock who languished on the bench whilst our pedestrian midfield played statues.

Of course, the other elephant in the room is whether 4-4-2 is simply too prehistoric and inflexible against a side playing a modern formation like Dale's 3-4-3. There's certainly a reason why no Prem sides and even very few L1 sides play 4-4-2 these days - it's too easy to combat if you have the wide players to pull the oppositions' full backs out of position.

 










 


i think you can play 4 4 2 but as long as the full backs push on .
Our full backs are static and so there is never an outlet .
JB is a very good coach and quite clearly knows more than any of us and so i’m sure he will make adjustments .
I think he doesn’t trust his ball playing midfielders defensively …


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: singcobb on August 21, 2021, 19:58:38 pm


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: SadOldGit on August 21, 2021, 20:12:28 pm
An abject performance and performance is the significant word in all this. Every supporter I have ever known expects their players to put in effort and commitment. There was none. They should all hold their heads in shame. You can talk about tactics all night long but none can compensate for what we saw today. Brady showed himself up last season with his choices midstream so they should come as no surprise. Have we really filled the weaknesses we had last season? Excuses won't cut it. I am trying desperately to find a positive player contribution. Can't.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 21, 2021, 20:43:53 pm
I’ve been questioning Mills’ ability ever since he joined.

I’ve also watched every minute McGowan has played for us, he’s looked like a competition winner each and every time he’s played.

They both get turned inside out each and every game.

It’s good the majority are coming round to my way of thinking. Hopefully Brady catches on soon.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 21, 2021, 21:34:33 pm
Mills was successful at Forest Green as a wing back, but when KC played him in that role in league 1 he got found out at times. McGowan does lack pace but is a more than capable right back as is Harriman.

I was more disappointed today with our midfield and creativity, particularly Shaun McWilliams. Sid Nelson also has received some unfair stick, I thought he was dominant in the air with one great crunching tackle in the 2nd half. He is a perfectly good deputy to Horsfall & Guthrie.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: bungle on August 21, 2021, 21:36:44 pm
i think you can play 4 4 2 but as long as the full backs push on .
Our full backs are static and so there is never an outlet .
....
I think he doesn’t trust his ball playing midfielders defensively …

This - I'm sure you're right. I don't think he trusts Connolly defensively either, which is why Hoskins has come straight back in.

However, I'm really sick and tired of this 'safety first' mentality. He needs to pick Pollock or Flores, put a proper winger in instead of Hoskins and have faith that we'll win through a combination of keeping possession, outscoring the opposition and the strength of our defensive spine which should be good enough at this level (McWilliams, Horsfall, Guthrie, Roberts).

This season should partly be about finally moving beyond Curle style anti-football and developing a more progressive style of play-  I expect more from Brady on that front.







Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: CobblerForever on August 21, 2021, 21:48:47 pm
A miserable afternoon. Second best throughout and Rochdale thoroughly deserved their win. They must be delighted. We didn't begin to have their threat or their fluidity.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: singcobb on August 21, 2021, 21:50:10 pm
Mills was successful at Forest Green as a wing back, but when KC played him in that role in league 1 he got found out at times. McGowan does lack pace but is a more than capable right back as is Harriman.

I was more disappointed today with our midfield and creativity, particularly Shaun McWilliams. Sid Nelson also has received some unfair stick, I thought he was dominant in the air with one great crunching tackle in the 2nd half. He is a perfectly good deputy to Horsfall & Guthrie.

Have to agree about Mcwilliams, at times he looked like he didn't have a clue what to do.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 21, 2021, 21:52:46 pm
Mills was successful at Forest Green as a wing back, but when KC played him in that role in league 1 he got found out at times. McGowan does lack pace but is a more than capable right back as is Harriman.

I was more disappointed today with our midfield and creativity, particularly Shaun McWilliams. Sid Nelson also has received some unfair stick, I thought he was dominant in the air with one great crunching tackle in the 2nd half. He is a perfectly good deputy to Horsfall & Guthrie.

Didn’t Nelson get beaten by their man for the first, then get out paced for their second. If anyone was at fault for the goals it was him.

There were a couple of other **** ups he was at the heart of also. He was very poor in my opinion.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 21, 2021, 22:27:49 pm
Didn’t Nelson get beaten by their man for the first, then get out paced for their second. If anyone was at fault for the goals it was him.

There were a couple of other **** ups he was at the heart of also. He was very poor in my opinion.
He doesn’t look or play like a footballer, this will be his last professional contract.
Mills is poor, nothing has changed he’s been consistent since he joined.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 21, 2021, 22:46:18 pm
Aaarghh, we've lost a game, we're gonna get relegated now. Brady out, in fact every one out, meltdown, can't see where we go from here, even though I wasn't there today. This post is for Everbright only.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on August 21, 2021, 23:15:00 pm
Yuk! It’s all been said already.
Star man McWilliams’ non performance just about sums up today.
We are better than that.
Everyone seemed to have a bad day at the same time (including JB and CC). Hopefully that won’t happen too often. 2nd best all over the field I’m afraid - especially 2nd half.
Even the MOM pickers had a bad day. I like Super Sam but come on …
Mind you, I think all of us would have struggled to pick a Cobblers MOM today.
When we get to Christmas with only these 3 points dropped all season we’ll have a good old giggle about this!
UTC


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 22, 2021, 01:07:17 am
Ok, but I'd argue that our lack of movement is primarily a personnel issue rather than a 'lack of effort' issue.

When an L2 centre back receives the ball it takes a supreme effort of will to avoid bypassing the midfield and lumping it forward to a 6'6 centre forward (even one like Etete who is probably better with his feet): it will always be the easiest and most tempting option.

If you put Pollock or Flores in there it gives the defence someone in midfield who actively wants the ball and is comfortable in receiving possession - result: fewer long balls.

Similarly, if McWilliams gets the ball as a DM he will be tempted to lump it forward unless he has a midfield partner with the nous and attacking spirit to take up an advanced position 'between the lines' or a natural winger making a run on the overlap. Lewis doesn't move like a creative midfielder; Hoskins doesn't move like a winger. Personnel matters.

Rochdale were Covid-ravaged but you can't help but compare their selection of Odoh, a 20-year old attacking midfielder who passed us off the park and scored their third, with Scott Pollock who languished on the bench whilst our pedestrian midfield played statues.

Of course, the other elephant in the room is whether 4-4-2 is simply too prehistoric and inflexible against a side playing a modern formation like Dale's 3-4-3. There's certainly a reason why no Prem sides and even very few L1 sides play 4-4-2 these days - it's too easy to combat if you have the wide players to pull the oppositions' full backs out of position.

For me the question is was it a decision to pump it long or more because it was the only realistic option available. Perhaps a bit of both Bungle but it seemed there was a lack of desire to make themselves available for a pass from the player in possession. When we have the ball we should be seeing 2 or 3 players hustling to find space 10 or 15 yards from the player in possession. Often we had one pass across the back four and there was no one coming short, no one busting a gut and demanding the ball. All I saw was a half hearted trot with a Rochdale shadow alongside. The player in possession comes under pressure and it’s either a lump forward or a pass back to Robert’s. Similarly I lost count of the times their player on the right of midfield got a pass and we hadn’t got a player within 20 yards of him. In possession they always had players available. As I said often the focus is on what a player does with the ball, but games are won and lost by what players do when out of possession. That’s why Rose and Hoskins are popular with managers. Unfortunately you need 10 doing it not 2, and the 2 we have got are unfortunately too often suffering from a lack of quality when they get it. At least they gave the opposition a headache, the rest gave them a field day. On the fans forum Brady asked what we would like to see from his side. Personally I never want to be saying they wanted it more than us. Whilst Brady is right you can’t win every game, but the bare minimum is that you have to look like you want to win every game. I suppose I’m frustrated because after all the hype around players with the right mentality and “a running dog is a happy dog” comments from Calderwood I didn’t expect to be saying all this so early in the season.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Steve Massive Massey on August 22, 2021, 04:15:13 am
Before the big 4th round FA Cup tie, the very old and ugly lady of Ramsbottom, more commonly referred to as "The Lancashire Witch" was summoned to make a spell. She was so old and stupid that she actually cast the wrong spell, not for Rochdale to have good luck in the cup but for Northampton to be eternally damned when playing The Dale.

For this reason all usual match analysis is null and void.

On the train back from a game at Doncaster some years back, I had decided to go into London. Waiting in the queue at the buffet car for a can of McEwans, I realised I was standing behind Phil Mitchell, aka Steve McFadden. I cant remembered what he ordered, sorry.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Zen Master on August 22, 2021, 09:40:48 am
Can I buy a ticket for mid week training because BAS must be sh1t hot.

We need some creative spark in centre midfield and thought this was glaringly obvious yesterday. Don’t notice Lewis at all and whilst McWilliams is industrious it is sideways, backwards or lumped.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Dan on August 22, 2021, 09:43:44 am
I really don’t know where to start…… I’ll start with the substitutes which basically killed any chance we had of getting a draw, awful decision to take our best two strikers off and play a very slow non scoring one and BAS who is utterly useless.
Playing with two horribly slow fullbacks in a 4 is a recipe for disaster, add to that Sid Nelson and you get what we deserved.
I will leave with a special mention for Lewis………what does he do well? I’m at a loss how pollock isn’t in that side.
We need a couple more players, a Center mid and another Center half.
How Mills is getting in the team ahead of Kioki only Brady knows.

The double substitution was ridiculous. The issue was that we were creating f**k all for the two, not that they were playing bad. We needed to change things and give them some new problems, not make their job far easier. I know people done rate BAS, but what does Rose offer us? Literally nothing, he’s one of the biggest flops in recent times for me.

I hope this was a blip, because Rochdale were very beatable and they beat us with ease.

The cup game on Tuesday is great timing and surely means players like Koiki get a start. We needed more pace in the second half and I was surprised that he didn’t get brought on for Pinnock.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 22, 2021, 11:39:07 am
Just read James Heneghan's player ratings on the Chronic website and he's managed to find a player called Paul Kabamba. I wonder if he is any relation to Nickie.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: West Stand on August 22, 2021, 12:56:49 pm
I think the front 4 are all too alike. We need someone who can play in the hole and link play. Maybe Pollock?  Whoever we have up front isn't going to do much with balls lumped up. Just ends up as a wrestling match with the centre backs.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: DrillingCobbler on August 22, 2021, 13:32:50 pm
For the first 20 minutes or so we played well, pressed and passed well, quickly responded to Rochdale's goal which was against the run of play...then it all went wrong.

By half time (sooner than that to be fair) it was evident that Rochdale had gained control of the middle third. We were all saying it at half time...bring on Pollock, take Lewis off. Give the midfield some creativity to supplement McWilliams tenacity.

The first 15 minutes of the 2nd half was a continuation of how things ended in the first half. Rochdale's sub's improved their performance, ours managed to do the polar opposite. It made no sense swapping the strikers round (as many others have commented). Then equally as baffling, Brady withdraws McWilliams and brings on a winger. Which effectively left the middle of the park, which was being dominated by Rochdale, with no ball winner as well as no creativity. Who was going to get the ball out to Connolly? We quickly found out the answer. No one! Somewhat predictable to be fair (I said at that point it would end 1-3).

Ill try and be balanced here. Brady has out thought his opponent in each of the other games. His clever change of formations (Cov and Colchester prior to the sending off) both got us on the front foot (Cov) and helped contain (Colchester). Against Port Vale, he responded well as well with his subs. Yesterday though, he was outwitted by the Rochdale manager and pretty much admitted that in his post match interview, citing tactics as something to think about. Fair play to him for that.

I think in summary, Rochdale 'did a job on us' yesterday. They clearly knew we would play a high line, and their number 18 on countless times helped them break up the pitch quickly (2nd and 3rd goals) when we inevitably lost possession due to our inability with the ball in central areas. At 1-1, the right changes made...we could easily have ended up winning it. Food for thought for the management team for sure...

I would put yesterday down to (in the main) VERY poor tactics, but also that not a single player turned up and had what could be described as a good game. No one for me, would have got 7/10. All 4's and 5's in the mains, with the odd 6.

Etete was half decent and shouldn't have been subbed (my mom). Not sure how Lewis managed to play for the full 90 minutes, he was literally shocking. McGowan wasn't much better (another 4/10). Big Sid had a stinker. The goalkeeping for their first goal was suspect, he came out to claim it, changed his mind and dithered (and ended up in no mans land) and it was a simple header over him into an empty net. I haven't seen the replay but that's what it looked like to me from behind the goal.

Best to forget about yesterday and hope that the management team identified our obvious weaknesses and rectify them in time for Tuesday. Im sure they will...

Still reckon we need to add a McCormack-esq player to the squad sooner rather than later as a priority...

One final observation. Their number 18 was absolutely outstanding. I'd be very surprised if he's still with them at the end of this month, let alone after January's transfer window. He was apparently mom for them against Forest in the cup (according to one of their fans I spoke with on the way back to my car). I haven't seen many players of that calibre show up against us in this league over the years, he looked like a real prospect destined to go all the way...





Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 22, 2021, 18:32:15 pm
For the first 20 minutes or so we played well, pressed and passed well, quickly responded to Rochdale's goal which was against the run of play...then it all went wrong.

By half time (sooner than that to be fair) it was evident that Rochdale had gained control of the middle third. We were all saying it at half time...bring on Pollock, take Lewis off. Give the midfield some creativity to supplement McWilliams tenacity.

The first 15 minutes of the 2nd half was a continuation of how things ended in the first half. Rochdale's sub's improved their performance, ours managed to do the polar opposite. It made no sense swapping the strikers round (as many others have commented). Then equally as baffling, Brady withdraws McWilliams and brings on a winger. Which effectively left the middle of the park, which was being dominated by Rochdale, with no ball winner as well as no creativity. Who was going to get the ball out to Connolly? We quickly found out the answer. No one! Somewhat predictable to be fair (I said at that point it would end 1-3).

Ill try and be balanced here. Brady has out thought his opponent in each of the other games. His clever change of formations (Cov and Colchester prior to the sending off) both got us on the front foot (Cov) and helped contain (Colchester). Against Port Vale, he responded well as well with his subs. Yesterday though, he was outwitted by the Rochdale manager and pretty much admitted that in his post match interview, citing tactics as something to think about. Fair play to him for that.

I think in summary, Rochdale 'did a job on us' yesterday. They clearly knew we would play a high line, and their number 18 on countless times helped them break up the pitch quickly (2nd and 3rd goals) when we inevitably lost possession due to our inability with the ball in central areas. At 1-1, the right changes made...we could easily have ended up winning it. Food for thought for the management team for sure...

I would put yesterday down to (in the main) VERY poor tactics, but also that not a single player turned up and had what could be described as a good game. No one for me, would have got 7/10. All 4's and 5's in the mains, with the odd 6.

Etete was half decent and shouldn't have been subbed (my mom). Not sure how Lewis managed to play for the full 90 minutes, he was literally shocking. McGowan wasn't much better (another 4/10). Big Sid had a stinker. The goalkeeping for their first goal was suspect, he came out to claim it, changed his mind and dithered (and ended up in no mans land) and it was a simple header over him into an empty net. I haven't seen the replay but that's what it looked like to me from behind the goal.

Best to forget about yesterday and hope that the management team identified our obvious weaknesses and rectify them in time for Tuesday. Im sure they will...

Still reckon we need to add a McCormack-esq player to the squad sooner rather than later as a priority...

One final observation. Their number 18 was absolutely outstanding. I'd be very surprised if he's still with them at the end of this month, let alone after January's transfer window. He was apparently mom for them against Forest in the cup (according to one of their fans I spoke with on the way back to my car). I haven't seen many players of that calibre show up against us in this league over the years, he looked like a real prospect destined to go all the way...




Absolutely spot on Drilling, really hope we don’t have to suffer BAS up front on Tuesday, we need some creativity in the Center.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 22, 2021, 18:41:57 pm
Just watched the lowlights of yesterday:
First goal, Sid Nelson allowed their player to get in front of him and didn't even get up for the challenge.
The second one, Shaun McWilliams was back peddling, despite having cover behind, their player shouldn't have been able to put that ball through without some sort of challenge.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 22, 2021, 18:48:40 pm
https://www.skysports.com/football/northampton-town-vs-rochdale/report/448484

Let’s just say good old Sid was very involved for at least two of the goals shocking defending.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: CobblerForever on August 22, 2021, 19:38:04 pm
Is there categoric evidence that their 2nd goal wasn't offside? From where I was sat (near half way Row H) it looked a yard or more that way but I'm (un)happy enough to be proved wrong.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 22, 2021, 19:40:13 pm
Now admiting the second goal was not offside I hope Brady apologised to the officials for his touchline histrionics. I would agree that Roberts started to come for the ball leading to the first goal but seemed to change his mind and stopped, perhaps he decided he wasn't going to get to it. I would question his decision making for the second as he came just outside of his 6 yard box and stopped, it would have been better to continue to the edge of the area thus narrowing the angle more and giving the striker a more difficult job to score.
All 3 teams played so far are in the lower half of the table although I don't expect any of them to be fighting the drop. From what I have seen so far I do not see us challenging for a top 3 place, possibly the play offs if we become more ceative and stop relying on set plays for our goals butit is still early days.
Finally perhaps somebody could enlighten us as what is deemed as a back pass these days as all around me were perplexed when their player hoiked the ball in the air and their 'keeper caught it and was not pulled up by the ref but then again he made many decisions we did not agree with.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: CobblerForever on August 22, 2021, 19:57:48 pm
Now admiting the second goal was not offside I hope Brady apologised to the officials for his touchline histrionics. I would agree that Roberts started to come for the ball leading to the first goal but seemed to change his mind and stopped, perhaps he decided he wasn't going to get to it. I would question his decision making for the second as he came just outside of his 6 yard box and stopped, it would have been better to continue to the edge of the area thus narrowing the angle more and giving the striker a more difficult job to score.
All 3 teams played so far are in the lower half of the table although I don't expect any of them to be fighting the drop. From what I have seen so far I do not see us challenging for a top 3 place, possibly the play offs if we become more ceative and stop relying on set plays for our goals butit is still early days.
Finally perhaps somebody could enlighten us as what is deemed as a back pass these days as all around me were perplexed when their player hoiked the ball in the air and their 'keeper caught it and was not pulled up by the ref but then again he made many decisions we did not agree with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-pass_rule

At the time I assumed the Ref had decided that the defender did not deliberately pass the ball back to his GK but miss-hit it.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: SadOldGit on August 22, 2021, 21:04:08 pm
Thankfully we have no VAR in the lower reaches of this league, just as it should be. With that in mind, whatever the ref. (bstrd in black) thinks it is, so it is. I raise a beaker to that.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: BrixworthCobbler on August 22, 2021, 21:25:15 pm
Taking the two strikers off at the same time was criminal (said it at the time, not hindsight speaking)

We were still easily in the game at that time. There was still 30 minutes to go, you'd just take one off, not both.

Problem you had is they then scored and our two best strikers are already off the pitch - ridiculous decision unless other things behind it of course.

Hopefully a lesson learnt...


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: TownOwl on August 22, 2021, 23:07:07 pm
Totally agree with Drilling's summary.

Thought Etete was rather good, but did run himself into the ground so could understand that change. Not so Kabamba though, so bringing on Rose for Etete only would have saved a sub to allow Kioki to inject some flair/pace late on.

I quite like Connolly, but I think I'd have tried Flores to see if he could inject some creativity in the middle. Also think Pollock has a role to play in that regard.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Carton Lid on August 22, 2021, 23:19:49 pm
Is there categoric evidence that their 2nd goal wasn't offside? From where I was sat (near half way Row H) it looked a yard or more that way but I'm (un)happy enough to be proved wrong.
Look at the highlights on ifollow, definitely off side.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 22, 2021, 23:20:48 pm
The plan B was keep the shape and swap the strikers, no idea what they were thinking. I thought we needed 5 in midfield. I reckon that should have been preferably match them up with 3 at the back. Needed Flores but tactically the coaching staff had a bad day. This is the continual problem, what is the plan when the side are really struggling. I know it’s easy with hindsight but I don’t think there was one of our supporters anywhere that would have come up with stick with 4-4-2 and BAS and Rose in a double swap for Etete and Kabamba, there’s a reason for that.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 22, 2021, 23:22:29 pm
Some of our fans are turning into 'Enfant terribe' supporters. Extreme personal opinions on players such as BAS, Rose, McGowan and now Nelson now appear to be blamed for the defeat last Saturday. Even McWilliams is now being called into question! The fact is on Saturday we were beaten by the better side particularly in the second half; yet the result was in doubt for 65% of the match. Opinions are sacrosanct on here but not to the point of vindictive personal criticism of players. Clearly something went wrong; maybe selection and tactics were to blame? Genuine criticism is fine such as that echoed by Deepcut on Nelson, this is how it should be; not building up an ever increasing list of players they find culpable to suit their personal agenda! Personally I did not find Nelson, Rose and BAS to be too bad on Saturday but we were just out played at times. The side that beat Coventry away and that which lost to Rochdale where very similar teams so please tell me what went wrong?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 22, 2021, 23:24:11 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-pass_rule

At the time I assumed the Ref had decided that the defender did not deliberately pass the ball back to his GK but miss-hit it.

Correct Law 12, the key word is 'deliberate':

https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/fouls-and-misconduct/#introduction


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 22, 2021, 23:24:31 pm
Look at the highlights on ifollow, definitely off side.

 ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on August 23, 2021, 09:01:17 am
Some of our fans are turning into 'Enfant terribe' supporters. Extreme personal opinions on players such as BAS, Rose, McGowan and now Nelson now appear to be blamed for the defeat last Saturday. Even McWilliams is now being called into question! The fact is on Saturday we were beaten by the better side particularly in the second half; yet the result was in doubt for 65% of the match. Opinions are sacrosanct on here but not to the point of vindictive personal criticism of players. Clearly something went wrong; maybe selection and tactics were to blame? Genuine criticism is fine such as that echoed by Deepcut on Nelson, this is how it should be; not building up an ever increasing list of players they find culpable to suit their personal agenda! Personally I did not find Nelson, Rose and BAS to be too bad on Saturday but we were just out played at times. The side that beat Coventry away and that which lost to Rochdale where very similar teams so please tell me what went wrong?

Good post Evers - a fair point. I’m afraid I see some of myself in that post. I just can’t see what Rose has to offer and I don’t think I ever will but …. However, I don’t blame him for the defeat.
I think many contributors have answered your question at the end.
Their manager out thought ours. They bossed midfield with numbers and creativity and their 3 CBs stopped our forwards playing. JB reacted tactically in the last couple of games, he didn’t seem able to (or want to) this time round.
Pretty simple really but heh, I’m not a professional football manager so I’ll trust in JB and CC to sort it out for next week.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 23, 2021, 09:14:30 am
Some of our fans are turning into 'Enfant terribe' supporters. Extreme personal opinions on players such as BAS, Rose, McGowan and now Nelson now appear to be blamed for the defeat last Saturday. Even McWilliams is now being called into question! The fact is on Saturday we were beaten by the better side particularly in the second half; yet the result was in doubt for 65% of the match. Opinions are sacrosanct on here but not to the point of vindictive personal criticism of players. Clearly something went wrong; maybe selection and tactics were to blame? Genuine criticism is fine such as that echoed by Deepcut on Nelson, this is how it should be; not building up an ever increasing list of players they find culpable to suit their personal agenda! Personally I did not find Nelson, Rose and BAS to be too bad on Saturday but we were just out played at times. The side that beat Coventry away and that which lost to Rochdale where very similar teams so please tell me what went wrong?

 ;D ;D

So, basically nobody should blame anyone personally, but your personal criticism falls at the feet of Brady?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: lordjord on August 23, 2021, 10:41:55 am
I was sceptical before the league season that 4-4-2 can be our go to formation throughout the year with the personnel we have and yesterday solidified my opinion of that. You could have drawn a straight line across our defence, midfield and forwards, no angles what so ever to allow for creativity of shorter passing.

Both strikers were doing the same thing, staying pinned up against the CB's, one of them needed to be able to drop deep to offer something different. Etete was trying to do too much and ended up taking far too many touches, perhaps understandably with how poor the service was too him.

Both midfielders were attempting similar things. Neither offered any sort of angle to receive the ball and when they did get it never attempted to carry it forward or to inject any tempo into the passing. Because the team was so rigid when they did get the ball they were simply going long or backwards. The quality of passing was so so poor throughout the team, but IMO neither of the midfield 2 have the passing ability to play in a 2 for a promotion winning side. The ease with which the ball was passed through them was really surprising also.

Because the gaps between the team were so large and the structure was so rigid players just either went long or would try and do it themselves (like Etete or Pinnock who kept trying to knock it past the full back and run round him, which never worked).

The CB's seemed petrified to bring the ball out and of trying to pass it to the midfield, so many times there was plenty of space but they were so hesitant.

The one glaring gap in our squad currently is a number 10. Pollock could very well be the answer to that as he seemed to feature in that kind of position in pre season. Also would not be against a player of that ilk, can see why we were in for Ryan Broom on loan a little while ago.
Either that or a holding midfielder who can dictate the play and let Shaun just be a destroyer in the centre.

Clearly things to be worked and improved, which can be fixed without doubt. But I was concerned that instead of trying to change the formation and get hold of the ball, we simply changed out strikers for 2 other strikers who's goal records for us are atrocious. Why we also ended up with Hoskins in CM is beyond me.

Still a good start to the season, dont want to go too overboard. But there are some glaring issues that need to be addressed, hopefully as the team continues to gel those will be sorted.



Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2021, 11:25:27 am
;D ;D

So, basically nobody should blame anyone personally, but your personal criticism falls at the feet of Brady?


If you want to offer an opinion try to emulate ‘lordjorge’s’ comment above or even Deepcuts opinion on Nelson both free from unpleasant personal comments on players. Where have I directly criticised JB for Sat loss? Not even sure who or what was to blame; tactics or subs? How long have you been an NTFC fan as it appears you cannot handle disappointing results!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 23, 2021, 11:40:30 am
If you want to offer an opinion try to emulate ‘lordjorge’s’ comment above or even Deepcuts opinion on Nelson both free from unpleasant personal comments on players. Where have I directly criticised JB for Sat loss? Not even sure who or what was to blame; tactics or subs? How long have you been an NTFC fan as it appears you cannot handle disappointing results!

Thanks for the kind offer.

Just trying to get my head around your lack of opinion first, it sounds like you are not too sure, could be tactics or could be subs. Albeit you appear rather offended at the thought of being accused of criticising JB for the loss, even though he is responsible for the two possibilities you suggest?

It's all well and good criticising other posters comments on individual players, but when you haven't got the confidence to post an opinion it seems pretty worthless don't you think?

If I and everyone else was to follow your lead, there wouldn't be much point in a messageboard.

We could all agree, it could have been the tactics, or subs, players, the crowd, the ref or even the weather conditions. Who knows.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2021, 12:14:24 pm
Thanks for the kind offer.

Just trying to get my head around your lack of opinion first, it sounds like you are not too sure, could be tactics or could be subs. Albeit you appear rather offended at the thought of being accused of criticising JB for the loss, even though he is responsible for the two possibilities you suggest?

It's all well and good criticising other posters comments on individual players, but when you haven't got the confidence to post an opinion it seems pretty worthless don't you think?

If I and everyone else was to follow your lead, there wouldn't be much point in a messageboard.

We could all agree, it could have been the tactics, or subs, players, the crowd, the ref or even the weather conditions. Who knows.

 Your last sentence says it all as you don’t know either ::) So why the personal derogatory comments on NTFC players? That’s all 8) 


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 23, 2021, 12:20:26 pm
I thought it extremely unlikely Flores would be brought on as a few days previous he was given no chance of being ready along with Sowerby and Harriman. So far Flores has not impressed and seems to be taking a while to settle in, some players take longer than others. I would have liked to see Pollock given a chance as he was quite impressive in his cameo against West Ham and also against Coventry after being moved into a more central role from his wide left starting position.
Brady needs to have a word with Hoskins about the number of stupid bookings he gets. On saturday he got one for pulling on his opponents shirt as he went past him which is something he does far too often. He already has 2 yellows from 3 games whereas Guthrie only has 1 in 4 games and plays in a position where you would expect him to get more yellows than Hoskins.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 23, 2021, 12:46:22 pm
Your last sentence says it all as you don’t know either ::) So why the personal derogatory comments on NTFC players? That’s all 8) 

For the record, my over riding opinions remain as per my comments from all previous games this season, McGowen and Mills should be nowhere near the side. I'm pleased to see the majority also coming round to this conclusion, hopefully Brady follows suit.

And from Saturday Nelson and Lewis stood out as both being exceptionally poor, as did the managers tactics.

I look forward to hearing your comments on future matters. Remember, don't be afraid to speak your opinion.



Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 23, 2021, 12:57:16 pm
Because a few other posters criticise the same players as you have I don't think you can claim " the majority are coming round to this conclusion".


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: cobblertone on August 23, 2021, 13:04:39 pm
Look at the highlights on ifollow, definitely off side.

Do the ifollow highlights have better angles than the other highlights?
The one on Youtube I saw doesn't show the pass and scoring player in the same shot. From when he kicked it and applying scientific assumptions and total guess work, he was probably level or even in his own half when the ball left the guys foot. Either way, certainly tight and you shouldn't be relying on springing an offside trap exactly on the half way line.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2021, 13:15:15 pm
Because a few other posters criticise the same players as you have I don't think you can claim " the majority are coming round to this conclusion".

Absolutely


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2021, 13:16:57 pm
Taking the two strikers off at the same time was criminal (said it at the time, not hindsight speaking)

We were still easily in the game at that time. There was still 30 minutes to go, you'd just take one off, not both.

Problem you had is they then scored and our two best strikers are already off the pitch - ridiculous decision unless other things behind it of course.

Hopefully a lesson learnt...

+


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 23, 2021, 14:04:04 pm
Because a few other posters criticise the same players as you have I don't think you can claim " the majority are coming round to this conclusion".

Interesting point to pick up on.

A quick glance from page 7 onwards and I've counted 8 negative comments about either Mills or McGowan from 6 different posters.

I have seen no positive comments for either.

Even a blind dyslexic would class that as the majority. :afro


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 23, 2021, 14:43:47 pm
If 6 posters form a majority we can only have 11 posters on the forum, I think you need to rethink your maths. People are far quicker to criticise than compliment. If I remember correctly Mills was given one of the better ratings in the chron' and any full back in division 2 will struggle against a pacy winger as Buchanan used to. They will also often be outpaced as they have to turn and chase whereas the winger is running onto the ball, the same applies to the centre backs dealing with through balls. I would agree McGowan did not have his best game but in other games he has shown good passages of play. You have not offered any alternative for the right back position, Harriman is not fit so who do you play there? Koiki has shown promise and could come in at left back but he offers a threat higher up the pitch, strange that Bristol Rovers did not offer him a new contract given the mess they appear to be in.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2021, 16:00:00 pm
Interesting point to pick up on.

A quick glance from page 7 onwards and I've counted 8 negative comments about either Mills or McGowan from 6 different posters.

I have seen no positive comments for either.

Even a blind dyslexic would class that as the majority. :afro

None of the 6 posters you claim support your views did not use the same anti NTFC player comments! You have now got 4/5 players not good enough ::) With a bit of luck you’ll run out of players soon enough ;D
Now you make ill advised comments on unfortunate dyslexic people.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 23, 2021, 16:08:31 pm
If 6 posters form a majority we can only have 11 posters on the forum, I think you need to rethink your maths. People are far quicker to criticise than compliment. If I remember correctly Mills was given one of the better ratings in the chron' and any full back in division 2 will struggle against a pacy winger as Buchanan used to. They will also often be outpaced as they have to turn and chase whereas the winger is running onto the ball, the same applies to the centre backs dealing with through balls. I would agree McGowan did not have his best game but in other games he has shown good passages of play. You have not offered any alternative for the right back position, Harriman is not fit so who do you play there? Koiki has shown promise and could come in at left back but he offers a threat higher up the pitch, strange that Bristol Rovers did not offer him a new contract given the mess they appear to be in.

'People are far quicker to criticise than compliment' / 'Any full back in division 2 will struggle against a pacy winger' - Are these facts or just a unsubstantiated comments to suit your agenda?

If factual, I would highly recommend someone tells Brady to get Connolly into the starting 11 quickly! We might as well get Joe Bunney back whilst were at it.

For clarity I can confirm those that have engaged in the Mills / McGowen debate, the majority (all bar you and neverbrite) have voiced there concerns. I suppose its a bit like the election, not everyone has chosen to vote / comment so we can only work with what's in front of us.

I've always rated Harriman, seems to be a steady and reliable right back. He was the preferred option that got us out of this league a few years back. Koiki is the other option, whilst his strength appears to be attacking rather than defending, i'd rather see someone play with a strength in either than neither.



Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 23, 2021, 16:26:07 pm
None of the 6 posters you claim support your views did not use the same anti NTFC player comments! You have now got 4/5 players not good enough ::) With a bit of luck you’ll run out of players soon enough ;D
Now you make ill advised comments on unfortunate dyslexic people.

Correct 4 that weren't good enough on Saturday. Slightly confused how you can get 5 from 4 names though?

Did you ever confirm how many players you thought weren't good enough at the weekend  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2021, 17:23:40 pm


........................................................... have voiced there (their) concerns.

................I've always rated Harriman, Is ok, so please leave him alone



Concerns are fine and quite right too! But that's not the point is it Maestro? To vilify at least 4 players and possibly a fifth in the manner you do is hardly the action of a loyal and committed NTFC Fan. With 'your qualified and popular opinion' have yet to see a constructive comment how to resolve this dilemma. Remember you are running out of players not good enough.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 23, 2021, 17:24:01 pm
Mills, McGowan and Nelson aren’t good enough to get us anywhere near the top of this pub league division.
I am not including BAS as he isn’t a footballer so it wouldn’t be fair.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Coolcat on August 23, 2021, 18:08:15 pm
From my views, thought at the game on Saturday, how Mills is pretty s***e and not captain material!

I also don't hold out too much hope for what Pollock can bring, on previous performances I've seen...though surely can't be worse than Lewis!

Do have a lot of confidence on the other hand, in Roberts in goal, Koiki, Kabamba and Etete.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: CJ on August 23, 2021, 18:21:54 pm
I'm in the Benny isn't a footballer MacGowen is too slow to be anything other than crap Mills is good enough to be our left back and eloquent enough to be our captain koiki should start in midfield Etete is our best striker (note, striker not attacker) by someway, Harriman should be our right back MacWilliams game is too limited Roberts does not have poppadom hands CAMP.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 23, 2021, 19:57:28 pm
Strange how people see players performances differently, after a couple of good games some will be saying how good some of the players are who are currently getting vilified on here. We are suppose to be supporters so it does no good saying player xxx is cr@p get behind said player to encourage him to be better, the carrot is better than the stick.
How many players have we signed that met with unfavourable comments that the same posters bemoan when they leave saying we have not done enough to keep them. Oliver (another journeyman striker with an unimpressive record), Morton (never played an efl game, only experience at Braintree) among others.
It was supposed to be imperative that we kept Ryan Watson who is now being kept out of the Tranmere side by Sam Foley, would things be that much better if Watson was still here?.
Many are calling for Flores to be in the starting 11 but so far I have not seen anything to justify this, I am not saying he is a bad player but he seems to be taking a while to settle in.
Another conundrum is that after joining Oldham Curle took West and Sheehan with him but left Mysterious behind, perhaps he also didn't agree with his views.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 23, 2021, 22:26:23 pm
Curle took West and Sheehan with him but left Mysterious behind, perhaps he also didn't agree with his views.


 ;D ;D ;D

Made me chuckle.

However looking at the three posts above yours, it appears most do agree with my views on this occasion.

Up the Cobblers!

 :P


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: EB Claret on August 23, 2021, 23:03:56 pm
It's all about opinions isn't it? Most of us give ours after a game, with hindsight. JB and CC probably have different opinions concerning substitutions while standing on the touchline, at the end of the day JB has to make the call, he won't always get it right. Against Rochdale and Vale I thought we should have gone to a three man centre midfield as we were outnumbered, JB thought differently. Vale were so powderpuff in attack we were ok, Rochdale made us pay.
Offside or not, it was the Dale's second goal that decided the game, it knocked us completely flat and we were very second best after that.
Still, it was one game and I don't think we should write players off yet, as we have before. The obvious ones are people like Grayson, Langmead and JJOT, they all proved us wrong.
Some of the new players have made promising starts, others not so, but let's at least give them a chance. UTC.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2021, 23:18:58 pm
It's all about opinions isn't it? Most of us give ours after a game, with hindsight. JB and CC probably have different opinions concerning substitutions while standing on the touchline, at the end of the day JB has to make the call, he won't always get it right. Against Rochdale and Vale I thought we should have gone to a three man centre midfield as we were outnumbered, JB thought differently. Vale were so powderpuff in attack we were ok, Rochdale made us pay.
Offside or not, it was the Dale's second goal that decided the game, it knocked us completely flat and we were very second best after that.
Still, it was one game and I don't think we should write players off yet, as we have before. The obvious ones are people like Grayson, Langmead and JJOT, they all proved us wrong.
Some of the new players have made promising starts, others not so, but let's at least give them a chance. UTC.

A reasoned approach to contemplate.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 23, 2021, 23:49:30 pm
;D ;D ;D

Made me chuckle.

However looking at the three posts above yours, it appears most do agree with my views on this occasion.

Up the Cobblers!

You do realise this is only the 3rd League game this season and some players you pass judgemental comments on may not have played in all the league games, or at best had limited minutes. Might be wiser to reserve your judgement for a few more games? As for your prowess in suggesting "it appears most do agree with my views on this occasion" is a bit subjective at best. This after so few games played when we have a history of players who after a slow start come good. JJOT was a classic example! My gut feeling is that BAS is a classic example in waiting! On the Managerial side Wilder was also a classic example. Still each to their own and good luck with your judgements.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 24, 2021, 08:06:51 am
You do realise this is only the 3rd League game this season and some players you pass judgemental comments on may not have played in all the league games, or at best had limited minutes. Might be wiser to reserve your judgement for a few more games? As for your prowess in suggesting "it appears most do agree with my views on this occasion" is a bit subjective at best. This after so few games played when we have a history of players who after a slow start come good. JJOT was a classic example! My gut feeling is that BAS is a classic example in waiting! On the Managerial side Wilder was also a classic example. Still each to their own and good luck with your judgements.

I’m not sure why you’re still buzzing about questioning folks right to have an opinion.

Out the two players I’ve said shouldn’t be near the starting 11, I’ve watched Mills over 30+ games and McGowan over 4.

Please feel free to sit on the fence for another 10 games. Rest assured il drop you multiple ‘I told you so messages’…

As for BAS being a classic example of a player that will come good. I hope you’re right, but I think you might be on your own with this one! He’s played 31 times for us and contributed very little. As I said to you in another thread, I agree he will start the first game of the season, but I think that will be the first and last. The way things are heading it looks like I was correct.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 24, 2021, 08:31:11 am
It would not surprise me to see BAS start tonight.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 24, 2021, 10:48:57 am
I’m not sure why you’re still buzzing about questioning folks right to have an opinion.

Out the two players I’ve said shouldn’t be near the starting 11, I’ve watched Mills over 30+ games and McGowan over 4.

Please feel free to sit on the fence for another 10 games. Rest assured il drop you multiple ‘I told you so messages’…

As for BAS being a classic example of a player that will come good. I hope you’re right, but I think you might be on your own with this one! He’s played 31 times for us and contributed very little. As I said to you in another thread, I agree he will start the first game of the season, but I think that will be the first and last. The way things are heading it looks like I was correct.

The difference is am commenting on your persistent and illogical personal vilification of 4/5 NTFC players after only 3 EFL games!  Unlike you will not threaten people with multiple messages of ‘told you so’. Can see you having a major fall out with JB on tactics and selection policies :-X


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 24, 2021, 11:08:43 am
It's all about opinions isn't it? Most of us give ours after a game, with hindsight. JB and CC probably have different opinions concerning substitutions while standing on the touchline, at the end of the day JB has to make the call, he won't always get it right. Against Rochdale and Vale I thought we should have gone to a three man centre midfield as we were outnumbered, JB thought differently. Vale were so powderpuff in attack we were ok, Rochdale made us pay.
Offside or not, it was the Dale's second goal that decided the game, it knocked us completely flat and we were very second best after that.
Still, it was one game and I don't think we should write players off yet, as we have before. The obvious ones are people like Grayson, Langmead and JJOT, they all proved us wrong.
Some of the new players have made promising starts, others not so, but let's at least give them a chance. UTC.

Well said EB Claret.

I think JB being an ex-winger himself clearly wants to play with two wide men. I hope he doesn't prove too stubborn like some previous managers have, on Saturday we certainly needed an extra body in midfield. It appears a lot of teams are playing three at the back this season with an extra man in midfield, so we may find ourselves having these conversations again this season. 
     


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 24, 2021, 11:45:22 am
It would not surprise me to see BAS start tonight.

Cup games are excluded. I think I’d get a start v West Ham u15s  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 24, 2021, 11:51:52 am
The difference is am commenting on your persistent and illogical personal vilification of 4/5 NTFC players after only 3 EFL games!  Unlike you will not threaten people with multiple messages of ‘told you so’. Can see you having a major fall out with JB on tactics and selection policies :-X

Ops looks like you’ve overlooked the bit where I said I’ve watched Mills 30+ times.

It also looks like you’ve not understood the basics of counting on the number of personnel. Please reread the posts if you’re stuck.

Exchanging messages with you is like being stuck in a washing machine.

I know you’re only repeating yourself to drum up a bit more attention, I think I’ve given you enough already.

 ::) ::)


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 24, 2021, 12:25:20 pm
I'll put my two pennuth in and say I thought both full backs on Saturday were poor, constantly being beaten by their man, particularly in the second half. I am not saying they are necessarily always bad, just that they were on Saturday.

As for BAS I would like to see him go out on loan, as far away as possible, do Penzance have a team?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: SadOldGit on August 24, 2021, 12:29:58 pm
I'll put my two pennuth in and say I thought both full backs on Saturday were poor, constantly being beaten by their man, particularly in the second half. I am not saying they are necessarily always bad, just that they were on Saturday.

As for BAS I would like to see him go out on loan, as far away as possible, do Penzance have a team?

I certainly hope you have cleared these comments with everblite before posting otherwise I can see you 'deep in it' as a spelunker would say.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: the grumpy old man on August 24, 2021, 12:36:46 pm
I certainly hope you have cleared these comments with everblite before posting otherwise I can see you 'deep in it' as a spelunker would say.

Evers is welcome to his opinion, as I hope I am, but if players play badly we should be able to be critical of them.

I really don't know what Evers problem is to be honest, the world thrives on people having different opinions, that's how change comes about. Not I hasten to add that I am suggesting JB should make changes as a result of comments on here, although I am 100% convinced the club read this board.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: DrillingCobbler on August 24, 2021, 13:00:43 pm
I’m not sure why you’re still buzzing about questioning folks right to have an opinion.

Out the two players I’ve said shouldn’t be near the starting 11, I’ve watched Mills over 30+ games and McGowan over 4.

Please feel free to sit on the fence for another 10 games. Rest assured il drop you multiple ‘I told you so messages’…

As for BAS being a classic example of a player that will come good. I hope you’re right, but I think you might be on your own with this one! He’s played 31 times for us and contributed very little. As I said to you in another thread, I agree he will start the first game of the season, but I think that will be the first and last. The way things are heading it looks like I was correct.

McGowan is highly proven in this league, was player of the season at Morecambe a few years back and he's still very young. No reason why he wont come good for us; I accept he's been pretty sh1te so far though! Although against Brum in pre-season I thought he looked superb.

BAS is infuriating. If I was a betting man Id say he wont 'get there' BUT there is a player in there somewhere, plus his record at prem under 23's level suggests he knows how to finish. He's also our only striker so far to score a league goal this season!

I think we all need to wait a few more games and see where the team is at after 10 matches or so. When we won the league, we won the first 2 matches, then lost 2-0 at Barnet and didn't win the following 3, including a dreadful home defeat against Dagenham which was a lot worse than the defeat/performance on Saturday. Little did we know that after 6 games (w2, d1, L3) we'd walk the league by 13 points. All to play for mate!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 24, 2021, 13:07:45 pm
Evers is welcome to his opinion, as I hope I am, but if players play badly we should be able to be critical of them.

I really don't know what Evers problem is to be honest, the world thrives on people having different opinions, that's how change comes about. Not I hasten to add that I am suggesting JB should make changes as a result of comments on here, although I am 100% convinced the club read this board.

Thanks Grumpy, of course players should be criticised if they perform poorly; have done it particularly in latter period of last season! Unfortunately I do not subscribe to the kind of derogatory comments composed by MC when the season has only just begun. It’s my opinion as well! Not going to sit back and support the kind of abuse which MC is capable of against players/club I have supported since 1957. Hope have explained well if not we can discuss tonight?😎


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 24, 2021, 13:21:25 pm
Ops looks like you’ve overlooked the bit where I said I’ve watched Mills 30+ times.

It also looks like you’ve not understood the basics of counting on the number of personnel. Please reread the posts if you’re stuck.

Exchanging messages with you is like being stuck in a washing machine.

I know you’re only repeating yourself to drum up a bit more attention, I think I’ve given you enough already.

 ::) ::)
.
 
It’s pity you now have to resort to petty insults!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 24, 2021, 13:45:08 pm
McGowan is highly proven in this league, was player of the season at Morecambe a few years back and he's still very young. No reason why he wont come good for us; I accept he's been pretty sh1te so far though! Although against Brum in pre-season I thought he looked superb.

BAS is infuriating. If I was a betting man Id say he wont 'get there' BUT there is a player in there somewhere, plus his record at prem under 23's level suggests he knows how to finish. He's also our only striker so far to score a league goal this season!

I think we all need to wait a few more games and see where the team is at after 10 matches or so. When we won the league, we won the first 2 matches, then lost 2-0 at Barnet and didn't win the following 3, including a dreadful home defeat against Dagenham which was a lot worse than the defeat/performance on Saturday. Little did we know that after 6 games (w2, d1, L3) we'd walk the league by 13 points. All to play for mate!
Drilling, I must have seen BAS “play” 20+ times and he’s scored once, added absolutely nothing, IF there is a player in there it must be better hidden than the arc of the covenant.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: DrillingCobbler on August 24, 2021, 14:46:27 pm
Drilling, I must have seen BAS “play” 20+ times and he’s scored once, added absolutely nothing, IF there is a player in there it must be better hidden than the arc of the covenant.

I know what your saying!  ;D

Look. Most of those games were in league1. He actually scored (V Exeter) last season when he played against a side at our current level. Then scored again first game in...

Ill give you an example of a sh1t striker, total sh1t striker, that eventually came good and then became very good. Sam Parkin. Utterly useless until Christmas, then scored against Stoke...all changed overnight for him.

BAS has clearly got the credentials, Id say there is a big issue with a combination of application and confidence. He's gonna be drinking in the last chance saloon now. Now or never. Im just saying, don't write him off just yet. Im hopeful of a renaissance, not expectant though!  ;D


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 24, 2021, 15:00:35 pm
I know what your saying!  ;D

Look. Most of those games were in league1. He actually scored (V Exeter) last season when he played against a side at our current level. Then scored again first game in...

Ill give you an example of a sh1t striker, total sh1t striker, that eventually came good and then became very good. Sam Parkin. Utterly useless until Christmas, then scored against Stoke...all changed overnight for him.

BAS has clearly got the credentials, Id say there is a big issue with a combination of application and confidence. He's gonna be drinking in the last chance saloon now. Now or never. Im just saying, don't write him off just yet. Im hopeful of a renaissance, not expectant though!  ;D


Admire your persistent faith in BAS - can you do a faith job on Mills who is suffering from some minor criticism on here!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: CJ on August 24, 2021, 15:12:40 pm
I'll put my two pennuth in and say I thought both full backs on Saturday were poor, constantly being beaten by their man, particularly in the second half. I am not saying they are necessarily always bad, just that they were on Saturday.

As for BAS I would like to see him go out on loan, as far away as possible, do Penzance have a team?
They were up against very good players in my opinion. That won't be the case every week in this league but I'd be more confident of Mills than our false 3.



Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: SadOldGit on August 24, 2021, 15:42:12 pm
They were up against very good players in my opinion. That won't be the case every week in this league but I'd be more confident of Mills than our false 3.



Never mind the false 3, I have a fake 20 I am hoping will get me through the stiles this night.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: bungle on August 24, 2021, 15:59:51 pm
McGowan is highly proven in this league, was player of the season at Morecambe a few years back and he's still very young. No reason why he wont come good for us; I accept he's been pretty sh1te so far though! Although against Brum in pre-season I thought he looked superb.

BAS is infuriating. If I was a betting man Id say he wont 'get there' BUT there is a player in there somewhere, plus his record at prem under 23's level suggests he knows how to finish. He's also our only striker so far to score a league goal this season!

I think we all need to wait a few more games and see where the team is at after 10 matches or so. When we won the league, we won the first 2 matches, then lost 2-0 at Barnet and didn't win the following 3, including a dreadful home defeat against Dagenham which was a lot worse than the defeat/performance on Saturday. Little did we know that after 6 games (w2, d1, L3) we'd walk the league by 13 points. All to play for mate!

This.

Way too early to be writing off individual players or making any firm predictions about where we'll end up.

By my reckoning BAS has had one decent goalscoring chance so far this season and he has taken it.

Our fatal flaw last year was a failure to create sufficient goalscoring chances for the strikers. Until that is rectified and we see BAS or Rose missing chance after chance, I won't be judging any of our forwards too harshly. 










Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 24, 2021, 16:32:25 pm
Never mind the false 3, I have a fake 20 I am hoping will get me through the stiles this night.

Tipped off they will give 2 x fivers one with fake Alf Ramsey signature and the other with BAS on it.

nb Wendy has been prewarned


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 24, 2021, 18:34:23 pm
McGowan, Morecambe player of the season 2018 - 3 awards
               Hamilton player of the season 2019 - 2 awards
               Hamilton player of the season 2020
Perhaps people are rushing to judgment too early, we have 12 new players so it will take time for the team to gell, let's take a step back and give them some time.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 24, 2021, 18:34:32 pm
Don’t want to be unkind and I might be completely wrong, but BAS comes across to me as a player that has fell out of love with football and can’t really be bothered.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 24, 2021, 19:52:44 pm
Out of interest, how much time do you think we spent scouting the likes of Flores and Lewis before being in a position to form judgement that they are good enough for a deal?

Mindful that me and a few others are being shot down for judging individuals after 3 games…

Baring in mind Flores only made 3 substitute appearances for Hull last season, I assume our scouting network over in Ireland was active between 2019-2021 when he made a handful of appearances over there? 


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: TownOwl on August 24, 2021, 20:46:41 pm
It might be based on games prior to that. Often players have crossed paths with someone previously.

If a player, even a good player, has only had a handful of starts over a few years, it may be argued that it'll take a few games for them to get fully up to speed.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 25, 2021, 06:38:55 am
It might be based on games prior to that. Often players have crossed paths with someone previously.

If a player, even a good player, has only had a handful of starts over a few years, it may be argued that it'll take a few games for them to get fully up to speed.

So we are thinking something along the lines of CC spoke to some Blackpool contacts that were complimentary of his 11 appearances for them back in 2017. JB &/or KT formed an opinion that was good enough for a years deal guessing at the cost of c£80-100k.

On the flipside, 3/4 recent games watching a player isn’t long enough for some pass comment on a public message board.

All very interesting I must admit.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 26, 2021, 11:56:51 am
They spent fûck all time, they were both cheap and available.
All this data drive approach and committee meetings is yet another smokescreen to appease the hard of thinking after yet another relegation that could have been avoided.
KT the man that promises fûck all and delivers less.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: west stand oap on August 26, 2021, 12:11:34 pm
Manny, I can't work out from your posts what your opinion is of KT, do you reckon he is a top bloke?.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2021, 16:19:55 pm
So we are thinking something along the lines of CC spoke to some Blackpool contacts that were complimentary of his 11 appearances for them back in 2017. JB &/or KT formed an opinion that was good enough for a years deal guessing at the cost of c£80-100k.

On the flipside, 3/4 recent games watching a player isn’t long enough for some pass comment on a public message board.

All very interesting I must admit.


Well so far you were wrong about McGowan and probably Mills. If Brady drops both for Saturday it could mean that tactically and most likely strategically you are correct ::). Brady is doomed and you will leap into his place. Yes?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 26, 2021, 17:21:09 pm
Well so far you were wrong about McGovern and probably Mills. If Brady drops both for Saturday it could mean that tactically and most likely strategically you are correct ::). Brady is doomed and you will leap into his place. Yes?

McGowan


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: everbrite on August 26, 2021, 23:28:37 pm
McGowan

Just corrected - been out all evening!


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 27, 2021, 09:30:20 am
Manny, I can't work out from your posts what your opinion is of KT, do you reckon he is a top bloke?.
Would you buy a used car from him?


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 27, 2021, 18:27:49 pm
Would you buy a used car from him?
Nope, probably be left hand drive. Although I imagine “Swiss Kelvin” could be quite persuasive.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 27, 2021, 18:41:31 pm
Would you buy a used car from him?

 ;D ;D

A great way to put it.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Shoemender on August 27, 2021, 22:28:07 pm
Nope, probably be left hand drive. Although I imagine “Swiss Kelvin” could be quite persuasive.

A used car is very much like a beautiful woman/unfinished stand. Quite a few people have used it but nobody gets any long term satisfaction while the owner is still pulling the strings. Suit you sir, scorchio, Boutros Boutros Ghali, nice etc etc etc.


Title: Re: Rochdale home 21.08.21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 28, 2021, 01:01:31 am
A used car is very much like a beautiful woman/unfinished stand. Quite a few people have used it but nobody gets any long term satisfaction while the owner is still pulling the strings. Suit you sir, scorchio, Boutros Boutros Ghali, nice etc etc etc.
This week I have mostly been eating Haribos