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Title: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 26, 2021, 13:37:00 pm
The Cobblers make the trip down to Crawley for their next League assignment, making their fifth visit to The Peoples Pension Stadium or the Broadfield Stadium if you prefer.

Crawley sit in 19th place in League 2, albeit only having played three games, one of which they won (2-1 at home to Salford) and two of which they've lost (0-1 at Hartlepool and then 3-6 at Forest Green). They also bowed out of the EFL Cup at the first hurdle, losing to Gillingham in a epic penalty shootout 10-9 after the game ended 2-2.

John Yems is the manager, he took over in December 2019 and has since led Crawley to 27 wins and 26 defeats in 76 games in charge. Fans were somewhat less than complimentary about his tactics and substitutions during the heavy defeat to Forest Green on Saturday.

Crawley joined the league in 2011 after winning the Conference with a massive 105 points, they also made it to the 5th round of the FA Cup as a non-league team that season. Success followed the following season as they won promotion to League 1 at the first attempt, again making the 5th round of the FA Cup along the way. Just three seasons at the higher level though before relegation back to the fourth tier in 2015, and now they embark on their 7th consecutive season at this level after a solid 12th place finish last year. Max Watters was their goalscoring sensation last year, scoring 16 goals before Christmas which earned him a million pound move to Cardiff in the January transfer window. He only appeared three times for the Bluebirds though and is now out on loan at MK Dons.

Men to watch in their squad are Jake Hessenthaler, top scorer with three including two in that Forest Green game, Ashley Nadesen and Kwesi Appiah who came off the bench to score in the last game.

This will be the tenth game between the Cobblers and Crawley, the first of which back in 1991 saw us suffer a "giantkilling" as we lost 4-2 in the FA Cup. That game was played at the old Town Mead ground which Crawley vacated in 1997. In our four previous visits to the new ground we have won two and lost two, the last of which was a 4-0 reverse on Boxing Day 2019. Our last win over Crawley was a year earlier when a Van Veen penalty was enough to give us the three points.

Lee Swabey will officiate, he's been on the League list since 2015, only one game so far this season though. Last season he didn't produce a red card in his 29 games, and only 67 yellows suggests he's one of the more lenient refs we'll come across. His last Cobblers appointment was back in October 2019 when he took charge of our 2-0 home win over Salford, booking four Cobblers players. His last encounter with Crawley came a few weeks later as he handled their 4-1 FA Cup win over Sc***hrope.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 26, 2021, 17:43:24 pm
                      Roberts

Harriman    Guthrie    Horsfall     Koiki

Connolly   McWilliams  Pinnock   Pollock

                  Etete     Hoskins


Pinnock and Pollock to switch it up.

Harriman to get the full 90, even if half fit.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: west stand oap on August 26, 2021, 19:40:40 pm
GPC - I think we had Lee Swabey referee our 1-3 defeat at Posh in April 2021.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: west stand oap on August 26, 2021, 20:08:39 pm
Mysterious - I think your 2 favourite players will be some of the first names on the team sheet. Cannot see McGowan being left out after his display on tuesday and Harriman is short of match fitness. Mills seems to divide opinion on here but not by the management otherwise they would not have made him captain.
McWilliams and Flores are struggling for fitness and both are doubtful.
There have been calls to abandon 442 and play a lone striker but I do not see that happening.
Crawley generally play a back 4 and recently adopted a 4411 formation, in 4 games they have scored 7 times but conceded 10 and nobody in the division has conceded more league goals than them. So another game against a team from the bottom half of the division, if we are to challenge at the top we must get something from this game.
                                                                  Roberts

              McGowan                  Horsfall                             Guthrie                        Mills

                                                      McWilliams/Lewis

                           Hoskins                           Pinnock                          Koiki

                                                Etete                       Kabamba


















Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 26, 2021, 20:30:36 pm
Crawley are in no way going to challenge for anything in this league, so I believe this is the first strong indicator of where this teams at.

2-1 with Hoskins on the score sheet


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 26, 2021, 22:34:11 pm
GPC - I think we had Lee Swabey referee our 1-3 defeat at Posh in April 2021.

According to Soccerbase Sam Allison reffed that one....our official site does say that Swabey was the ref though......


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: EB Claret on August 26, 2021, 23:13:12 pm
GPC, I may be wrong and hate to criticize your fantastic preview but isn't Broadhall Way Stevenage?


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 26, 2021, 23:51:59 pm
GPC, I may be wrong and hate to criticize your fantastic preview but isn't Broadhall Way Stevenage?
oh bloody hell....getting my Broads mixed up!! Corrected....thanks!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Winslow Lee on August 27, 2021, 08:06:48 am
Crawley are in no way going to challenge for anything in this league, so I believe this is the first strong indicator of where this teams at.

2-1 with Hoskins on the score sheet

I really donít think you can draw anything from one match, pretty much every team in this division is capable of performing on their day, the teams in the top half will be ones that do it on a consistent basis.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 27, 2021, 08:14:33 am
I really donít think you can draw anything from one match, pretty much every team in this division is capable of performing on their day, the teams in the top half will be ones that do it on a consistent basis.
+1
It was the same in L1 last year, we beat Ipswich and Poopey then lost to Burton.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 27, 2021, 09:10:06 am
oh bloody hell....getting my Broads mixed up!! Corrected....thanks!

Donít worry about it GPC  - Claret is a fanatical Place namer & Grammarian even corrects HRH!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on August 27, 2021, 09:47:46 am
GPC, I may be wrong and hate to criticize your fantastic preview but isn't Broadhall Way Stevenage?

It was/is the Broadfield Stadium .... and Evers, the 'Horsham Lot' will be making the effort and attending an away game  ;D


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on August 27, 2021, 10:02:50 am
This Horsham Cobbler on 100% attendance so far racking up close to 1500 miles so far all by Public Transport aside from Dale game. Be nice to have some easy travel for a change


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 27, 2021, 18:22:54 pm
I read somewhere that ďthe matadorĒ Charles Breakspear dished out one of the lowest percentage of cards in his first season on the list. Obviously got a bollocking off Mike Reilly or whoever and metamorphosed into the notorious individual we have today. No telling with referees these days, the standard seems to be getting worse too.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 27, 2021, 22:03:10 pm
It was/is the Broadfield Stadium .... and Evers, the 'Horsham Lot' will be making the effort and attending an away game  ;D

What's wrong with the West Sussex Lot sounds classier


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 27, 2021, 22:09:20 pm
This Horsham Cobbler on 100% attendance so far racking up close to 1500 miles so far all by Public Transport aside from Dale game. Be nice to have some easy travel for a change

Hate to imagine the total cost of attending those games! What I can't quite grasp is why you haven't given your opinion on some of the players/or game, you don't have to of course but a second opinion is always interesting. Hope it is not still personal ;D 8)


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Saint Cobbler on August 27, 2021, 22:19:11 pm
Hate to imagine the total cost of attending those games! What I can't quite grasp is why you haven't given your opinion on some of the players/or game, you don't have to of course but a second opinion is always interesting. Hope it is not still personal ;D 8)
It's a risky business giving opinions on here as I'm sure you would understand.  ::)


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 28, 2021, 01:03:52 am
It's a risky business giving opinions on here as I'm sure you would understand.  ::)
When you say ďriskyĒ is that an attack on certain contributors? You need to elaborate.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on August 28, 2021, 09:44:14 am
It's a risky business giving opinions on here as I'm sure you would understand.  ::)

.... nail and head!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2021, 10:18:26 am
It's a risky business giving opinions on here as I'm sure you would understand.  ::)

Great comment ::)




Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2021, 10:20:21 am
.... nail and head!

Hope to meet you today!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2021, 10:23:01 am
When you say ďriskyĒ is that an attack on certain contributors? You need to elaborate.

Thanks Melly donít set them off  ;D


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 28, 2021, 10:39:42 am
Thanks Melly donít set them off  ;D

Always a laugh on here, especially after a win. I have a very good feeling about this one, 0-3.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2021, 10:49:36 am
Always a laugh on here, especially after a win. I have a very good feeling about this one, 0-3.

Have to say that would be most 🤗 Before anybody posts perhaps they can indicate mood status.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2021, 13:32:46 pm
Hate to imagine the total cost of attending those games! What I can't quite grasp is why you haven't given your opinion on some of the players/or game, you don't have to of course but a second opinion is always interesting. Hope it is not still personal ;D 8)

Is Horley as sleepy as Crawley?


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 28, 2021, 13:33:19 pm
Always a laugh on here, especially after a win. I have a very good feeling about this one, 0-3.
I dont


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: CobblerForever on August 28, 2021, 13:51:04 pm
A defeat today and the early season optimism will well and truly have disappeared and we are still in August.

Come on lads and let's see the strikers getting on the score sheet.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 28, 2021, 14:08:24 pm
Is Horley as sleepy as Crawley?
Whilst working down here, some of my site workers also had evening jobs working the doors. By all accounts, when the sun went down, it all would kick off. Pikey ville they used to call it. My niece who lives just around the corner confimed this. Sleepy it aint.
I would just like to say that I have never been in a Crawley pub, apart from a bar airside at Gatwick. And that wasnt cheap.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 28, 2021, 14:14:27 pm
Cobblers: Roberts, McGowan, Horsfall, Guthrie, Mills, Lewis, Flores, Pinnock, Hoskins, Etete, Rose.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Teachers Pet on August 28, 2021, 14:19:12 pm
Cobblers: Roberts, McGowan, Horsfall, Guthrie, Mills, Lewis, Flores, Pinnock, Hoskins, Etete, Rose.

Subs: Maxted, Kabamba, Connolly, Koiki, Nelson, McWilliams, Ashley-Seal


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 28, 2021, 14:22:53 pm
Cobblers: Roberts, McGowan, Horsfall, Guthrie, Mills, Lewis, Flores, Pinnock, Hoskins, Etete, Rose.

The forecast looks like goals to me


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 28, 2021, 14:32:35 pm
Koiki should be starting.
A central mid of of Lewis and Flores does not inspire me and I am yet to figure out what ether offers?


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2021, 14:33:34 pm
The forecast looks like goals to me

Wow an optimist - you here today? Yr pal McGowan is in at right back. Disappointed that Koiki not in the X1


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on August 28, 2021, 14:34:10 pm
Rose starting!
This is the day he makes me reassess my fixed view of him and scores one snd makes another.
Go Rosey!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2021, 14:36:38 pm
Hope to meet you today!

If you are here give a wave as in seated area!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on August 28, 2021, 14:42:56 pm
So a bit of gamesmanship by JB quoted in the Chron after the Dale game saying that in the future, he plans to mix it up and not just play 442?
UTC.  I see a fighting 2-1 away win today.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Baldy on August 28, 2021, 14:57:11 pm


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Winslow Lee on August 28, 2021, 14:58:31 pm
Rose starting!
This is the day he makes me reassess my fixed view of him and scores one snd makes another.
Go Rosey!

Surely law of averages suggests he will score today


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 28, 2021, 15:07:53 pm
Ivan bags :) What a lad.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 28, 2021, 15:15:15 pm
Forest Green slipping up


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 28, 2021, 15:16:47 pm
Not much happening on here.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Baldy on August 28, 2021, 15:20:13 pm
Forest Green slipping up
Thank the Lord. Jim Hall was worried sick!!!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 28, 2021, 15:39:49 pm
Thank the Lord. Jim Hall was worried sick!!!
Jims a worrier make no mistake..


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 28, 2021, 15:41:17 pm
The longer this goes on I've got a bad feeling about this game....


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Baldy on August 28, 2021, 15:42:23 pm
The longer this goes on I've got a bad feeling about this game....
I haven't.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Clarity on August 28, 2021, 15:43:31 pm
Jims a worrier make no mistake..
A Keyboard Worrier


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 28, 2021, 15:47:57 pm
0-0 HT pretty boring

Probably get the ironing board out 2nd half


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 28, 2021, 15:49:34 pm
9 shots....that's about three games worth.....but only one on target, six of the shots from outside of the area.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 28, 2021, 15:55:44 pm
0-0 or late crawly winner written all over it.



Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2021, 16:01:20 pm
9 shots....that's about three games worth.....but only one on target, six of the shots from outside of the area.

Simple fact it is poor stuff with Mills playing himself into trouble. Kick and Rush from them. Badly need Kioki on. Rose anonymous not even a nuisance! McGowan needs to close his player down sooner. But they are hoof it up field . We are playing a bit of football apart from Ete no cutting edge. Dreading the result!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 28, 2021, 16:06:21 pm
Simple fact it is poor stuff with Mills playing himself into trouble. Kick and Rush from them. Badly need Kioki on. Rose anonymous not even a nuisance! McGowan needs to close his player down sooner. But they are hoof it up field . We are playing a bit of football apart from Ete no cutting edge. Dreading the result!


Sounds like now youíre half way through your first game your edging to the dark side!?


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 28, 2021, 16:14:21 pm
We've upped the tempo.
I truly believe theres a goal in us


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 28, 2021, 16:17:36 pm
Simple fact it is poor stuff with Mills playing himself into trouble. Kick and Rush from them. Badly need Kioki on. Rose anonymous not even a nuisance! McGowan needs to close his player down sooner. But they are hoof it up field . We are playing a bit of football apart from Ete no cutting edge. Dreading the result!

Honest review.....thanks!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on August 28, 2021, 16:25:27 pm
Still praying for a Rose winner. So far 12 shots but only two on target.
ďScore in a minute, weíre gunna score in a minuteĒ!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 28, 2021, 16:25:51 pm
Ex Cobblers featuring across the country.....

Toney and Calvert-Lewin both on the scoresheet in the Prem, Carney Chukwuemeka making his full Premier League debut for Villa, Michael Smith scored twice for Rotherham who also had Mikel Miller sent off. Ian Henderson on the scoresheet for Salford and Billy Waters finds the net for Halifax.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Baldy on August 28, 2021, 16:26:12 pm


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 28, 2021, 16:31:16 pm
Rose and Mills off, Connolly and Koiki on.....


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Baldy on August 28, 2021, 16:33:15 pm
Ex Cobblers featuring across the country.....

Toney and Calvert-Lewin both on the scoresheet in the Prem, Carney Chukwuemeka making his full Premier League debut for Villa, Michael Smith scored twice for Rotherham who also had Mikel Miller sent off. Ian Henderson on the scoresheet for Salford and Billy Waters finds the net for Halifax.
Ian Henderson has been brilliant for every team he's played for except us. He was s***e.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: CobblerForever on August 28, 2021, 16:36:36 pm
Will Rose ever flower again?


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 28, 2021, 16:38:09 pm
Bambi on for ET
Last roll of the dice


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 28, 2021, 16:40:22 pm
Ian Henderson has been brilliant for every team he's played for except us. He was s***e.

33 games and no goals for us....mind you he was only 22/23 when he was with us..... he waited until he was a bit older before finding some form......

Talking of other strikers, Harry Smith has just bagged for Orient.

Daniel Powell also scoring for Barnet in the National League


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Dr Feelgood on August 28, 2021, 16:41:22 pm
Ian Henderson has been brilliant for every team he's played for except us. He was s***e.
Hes the greatest


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Monty on August 28, 2021, 16:41:53 pm
Bambi on for ET
Last roll of the dice
Can we take off Dumbo and bring on Superman?


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 28, 2021, 16:57:15 pm
Well on the plus side that's three clean sheets and a point on the board.
However strikers cant hit a barn door with a banjo.



Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: CobblerForever on August 28, 2021, 16:57:39 pm
0-0.

2,254 the gate - very poor.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 28, 2021, 16:57:58 pm
Crazy to think that the toothless attack from Tuesday failed again today.

 ::) ::)


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 28, 2021, 16:58:57 pm
However strikers cant hit a barn door with a banjo.



We knew that on Tuesday, strange JB picked them again.

Maybe third time lucky, I guess if we pick them every week, they must score one day right?


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on August 28, 2021, 17:00:20 pm
Crazy to think that the toothless attack from Tuesday failed again today.

 ::) ::)

And that Crawley got hit for 6 by FGR last week and we couldn't manage one.

No goals from open play in League 2 so far for us...... but we've got this league in the bag!!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 28, 2021, 17:05:05 pm
That was a painful watch, time for my besty KT to get his wallet out we most definitely need another left sided defender and a striker.
Over to the man who promises fŻck all and delivers less.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Letchworthcobbler on August 28, 2021, 17:07:22 pm
Defense is fine; need a striker or a creative midfielder. The same problem as last season - need goals.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: CobblerForever on August 28, 2021, 17:07:29 pm
In a sense we've proved two negatives so far this season;

1. We aren't going to score enough goals.

2. Without the Guthrie/Horsfall combination in Central Defence we are dodgy at the back.

There are some positives of course - a much better goalkeeper for example.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: bungle on August 28, 2021, 17:08:07 pm
54% possession, 14 shots with only 3 on target and 6 corners according to the BBC.

I feel that we've created enough chances for once and with better finishing we would have won the game. The midfield definitely seems to work better with Flores as a creative option in there, but I'd prefer to have McWilliams as the more defensively-minded partner. Perhaps Brady is hoping that Lewis repeats his goalscoring form for Tranmere (7 goals in L2 last year) for us at some point?

Brady still seems to be trying to find the right combination up front. I still think Boot and Shoe's idea of putting Hoskins up front with Etete with Connolly taking Sam's place on the wing is the way to go. However, I'd also like to see Kabamba tried up front with Etete again. Not convinced that Rose is the answer - he's now played a lot of games for us and just doesn't look like scoring. Unlike many of his striking counterparts, Etete has good movement and is getting in the right positions - I'm confident that the goals will flow for him in time as he adapts to L2 football.  

On the plus side that's 3 clean sheets in 4 league games - the defensive unit of Horsfall, Guthrie and Roberts looks strong at this level.



Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 28, 2021, 17:11:08 pm
I'll try to start with a few positives. We looked good in defence and we started to look a threat once Koiki and Connelly came on, BUT I'm starting to worry a bit about JB's philosophy. We were told to expect positive football, but I'm only seeing it when the likes of Koiki come on, and today that only happened because of Mill's unfortunate injury.

Until that point we were playing safety first football, and hoofing up to Etete and Rose, just like against Rochdale last week. To me the only excuse for playing this kind of style is against teams who are far superior, but Crawley were, quite literally, awful - the worst team I've seen us play for a long time - and we need to be much braver against sides like this. I honestly thought JB was bringing a new brand of football, but there are times we look just like a Keith Curle side. JB has said he wants players to be brave, but most of what I see is cautious, safety first football. This may be Calderwood's influence, of course.

Before the subs, the only player who looked like creating anything was Hoskins. Unfortunately he created these chances for himself only to shoot miles wide on each occasion. When we occasionally got crosses in we had nobody attacking the ball - again. I just hope JB is willing to admit we weren't at our best and doesn't take the job-well-done line just because we got a point away from home.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 28, 2021, 17:26:15 pm
I'll try to start with a few positives. We looked good in defence and we started to look a threat once Koiki and Connelly came on, BUT I'm starting to worry a bit about JB's philosophy. We were told to expect positive football, but I'm only seeing it when the likes of Koiki come on, and today that only happened because of Mill's unfortunate injury.

Until that point we were playing safety first football, and hoofing up to Etete and Rose, just like against Rochdale last week. To me the only excuse for playing this kind of style is against teams who are far superior, but Crawley were, quite literally, awful - the worst team I've seen us play for a long time - and we need to be much braver against sides like this. I honestly thought JB was bringing a new brand of football, but there are times we look just like a Keith Curle side. JB has said he wants players to be brave, but most of what I see is cautious, safety first football. This may be Calderwood's influence, of course.

Before the subs, the only player who looked like creating anything was Hoskins. Unfortunately he created these chances for himself only to shoot miles wide on each occasion. When we occasionally got crosses in we had nobody attacking the ball - again. I just hope JB is willing to admit we weren't at our best and doesn't take the job-well-done line just because we got a point away from home.
Canít disagree with that, I am really frustrated with Lewis he seems to stand off players and lím really struggling to see what he brings, McWilliams is a better ball winner and if paired with Flores we have the technical ability to unlock L2 defences.
Crawley look a really poor side 2 points dropped.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on August 28, 2021, 17:38:53 pm
 Very poor, reminiscent of watching a Curle Team. Hoskins up front, no way, 5 chances one on target and gave the ball away again in midfield and almost cost us again! Rose is going backwards, no contribution at all. Not even winning flick ins now! Agree, Robertís, Horsfall and Guthrie look fine, Flores again showed some good touches eg Pass to Etete for his shot. Connolly again a lot of running but no end product and Kabamba looks no better than BAS.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 28, 2021, 17:43:17 pm
JB just crushed Toggle Tim on radio Numpty 😂.
Toggle really does  excel in talking utter utter shÓt.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: cobbler151 on August 28, 2021, 17:57:06 pm
I made a comment that Crawley where a poor side and this would be a good indicator of where the manager and this teams at. At the minute we look like a side trying to find its identity.

4-4-2 is not for me and I would much rather see

                                
                                                   McWilliams Flores/Sowerby(when he's back)
                                                  
                                                      Pinnock Hokins Koiki
                                                                
                                                               Etete

However Im not holding out any hope Brady will have any insight into what needs doing, managers tend to stick to their guns and become stubborn


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 28, 2021, 18:04:10 pm
Defense is fine; need a striker or a creative midfielder. The same problem as last season - need goals.

We need both !


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: west stand oap on August 28, 2021, 18:09:03 pm
Another former cobbler to score was Caleb for Villa u23's in their 1-1 draw with Fulham.
3 clean sheets in 4 league games, only Port Vale and Tranmere have conceded less with 2 each, but with only 3 scored only Tranmere have scored less with 1. I commented to my west stand neighbour on tuesday night that having conceded 6 at FGR to expect Crawley to keep a clean sheet against us.
It must be really exciting being a Tranmere supporter, their results so far 1-0, 0-0, 0-0, 0-1, 0-1.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on August 28, 2021, 18:12:14 pm
Brady thought that was a good point! That is very worrying.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 28, 2021, 18:51:17 pm
I think the post match analysis we are all waiting for is Neverbrites. His first game of the season, fingers crossed heís made it home still full of optimism.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: SadOldGit on August 28, 2021, 19:10:15 pm
I think the post match analysis we are all waiting for is Neverbrites. His first game of the season, fingers crossed heís made it home still full of optimism.

How old is the fella? He must be well in to his nineties. I hope he has good carers.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Smoking Boots on August 28, 2021, 19:12:06 pm
Brady thought that was a good point! That is very worrying.

Another point towards safety..41 more to go.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Shoemender on August 28, 2021, 19:24:56 pm
Another point towards safety..41 more to go.

Well. Just got back. What a sack of shıte. We had enough chances to win 2 games there but once again proved toothless in front of goal. Even our usual goal outlet, set pieces, seems to have deserted us, every set piece was terrible. Not optimistic for the season, early days I know but we need to improve drastically and I can't see where the goals are coming from. Cue a hat full next week.🤔


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Mysterious Curle on August 28, 2021, 20:40:14 pm
How old is the fella? He must be well in to his nineties. I hope he has good carers.

Old but not as old as youíd think  ;D


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Shoemender on August 28, 2021, 22:24:40 pm
Very quiet on here post match. Any nuggets of optimism?


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on August 29, 2021, 00:08:29 am
Iím not your man for incisive comments or tactical pearls of wisdom - although I did get 11 European Championship wins managing Cobbs over a 30 year period in an early Football Manager game!
Here are my positives:
1) Back 4 look solid.
2) Goalie is 1000% better than last year and weíre in a lower league so ..
3) Definitely a bit more pace and creativity in midfield. I think Flores will be ok.
4) McWilliams is still quality - letís not write him off after that appalling performance against Dale.
And the frustrations:
1) Rose and BAS are not the answer. I know itís only 4 games in but most of us on here said that Harry Smith should have been given the chance playing with a more creative midfield behind and beside him!
2) Kion and Kabamba have a bit more about them but they arenít going to score the goals we need to be successful.
3) How did that lad from Boreham Wood end up at Chesterf***infield? Heís just the sort of lad I would have bought on Football Manager and gone on to bag 30 goals a season??!
In short, get a forward in who can play off Kion and knows where the goal is.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on August 29, 2021, 05:44:57 am
Very quiet on here post match. Any nuggets of optimism?

It's always quiet when we haven't lost.  8)


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 29, 2021, 06:55:50 am
Very quiet on here post match.
Not round my way it wasnt. I had to put up with a Queen tribute band at Abington Park rattling my windows.
Still every cloud and all that, tonight its Abba.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: SadOldGit on August 29, 2021, 07:36:29 am
Not round my way it wasnt. I had to put up with a Queen tribute band at Abington Park rattling my windows.
Still every cloud and all that, tonight its Abba.

Slipknot on Monday.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Tabasco Kid on August 29, 2021, 08:06:51 am
Slipknot on Monday.
Supported by System of a down. That should shake a few fillings loose.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on August 29, 2021, 11:24:34 am
Brady thought that was a good point! That is very worrying.

Agreed. I think he should be acknowledging that was a game we clearly should have won and recognise some of the weaknesses, as well as highlighting the positives. After 4 games our forwards have scored 1 league goal between them. That is very reminiscent of last season and a very serious concern. Overall we're not creating enough, the final ball is too often poor and our players do not seem to really attack the ball in the area.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that, at least away from home, and sometimes even at home, we're going to be a defensively minded outfit. JB has changed his tune and is starting to talk about building from defence more and more, which has always been the Calderwood way, so that may have come from him. We need to get results this way otherwise fans will get restless, because it won't be fun to watch. Even then I see no excuse for playing so conservatively against the likes of Crawley, when we clearly have a better side than them.

I'm beginning to wonder how long it will be before JB starts using KC terminology like "nullify the threat".


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 29, 2021, 11:36:38 am
Iím not your man for incisive comments or tactical pearls of wisdom - although I did get 11 European Championship wins managing Cobbs over a 30 year period in an early Football Manager game!
Here are my positives:
1) Back 4 look solid.
2) Goalie is 1000% better than last year and weíre in a lower league so ..
3) Definitely a bit more pace and creativity in midfield. I think Flores will be ok.
4) McWilliams is still quality - letís not write him off after that appalling performance against Dale.
And the frustrations:
1) Rose and BAS are not the answer. I know itís only 4 games in but most of us on here said that Harry Smith should have been given the chance playing with a more creative midfield behind and beside him!
2) Kion and Kabamba have a bit more about them but they arenít going to score the goals we need to be successful.
3) How did that lad from Boreham Wood end up at Chesterf***infield? Heís just the sort of lad I would have bought on Football Manager and gone on to bag 30 goals a season??!
In short, get a forward in who can play off Kion and knows where the goal is.


Very reasonable assessment following Sat game Jimbo
The midfield had problems against a robust opponent midfield! Ete was the only player to trouble their defence but he was shackled very effectively at times by huge  bulk of a player! Where the positives came from is from the defensive display which which most already knew. Undecided on Flores and Lewis so no change there.Roberts made one good save, otherwise untroubled! Their goalie played well making at least 3 good saves the last one against a Hoskins lob was save of the day! It was very frustrating watching the (boring) game and the young person behind me actually fell asleep. The trouble with 0-0 the odd mistake can loose you the game. 1 point is better than a kick up the backside so allís well that ends Ďall squareí! A game not for the purist of which  we have a couple so count your lucky blessings they decided not to come! Imagine the howls of derision on here!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: everbrite on August 29, 2021, 11:50:31 am
Agreed. I think he should be acknowledging that was a game we clearly should have won and recognise some of the weaknesses, as well as highlighting the positives. After 4 games our forwards have scored 1 league goal between them. That is very reminiscent of last season and a very serious concern. Overall we're not creating enough, the final ball is too often poor and our players do not seem to really attack the ball in the area.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that, at least away from home, and sometimes even at home, we're going to be a defensively minded outfit. JB has changed his tune and is starting to talk about building from defence more and more, which has always been the Calderwood way, so that may have come from him. We need to get results this way otherwise fans will get restless, because it won't be fun to watch. Even then I see no excuse for playing so conservatively against the likes of Crawley, when we clearly have a better side than them.

I'm beginning to wonder how long it will be before JB starts using KC terminology like "nullify the threat".

You have to develop your defence first. A decent defence is essential and proved it Sat?


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on August 29, 2021, 11:53:45 am
Talking to 3 Crawley fans back in the pub in Horsham, they felt 0-0 was about right. Very complimentary about Etete. But they did state that they were without their 3 best players yesterday, make me think that game was even more winnable if they had a weakened side.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: DrillingCobbler on August 29, 2021, 12:57:25 pm
Got to say, I was very bored watching the game yesterday. A proper dogfight division4 game with very little quality on show from either side.

Positives? Its been covered by others, the defence looks sound enough. Connolly I thought looked good when he came on, as did Koiki. We kept our shape and never looked like losing the game. A point away from home is never a bad result...

Negatives? Very obvious ones! Our strikers don't look like they've got many goals in them, Rose in particular was very poor again and he seems to be letting his run without scoring now effect his confidence. He needs a goal desperately.

Pretty obvious that if we were to add two quality players to the team...a striker and a creative midfielder...the dynamics would completely change. Its looking more unlikely that those two key components will be found within the current squad. Given we've netted circa 500-600k in transfer fees this last month, Id hope that we will dip into the market and bring those two players in before the window closes. Hope, not expect...

A decent day out though. Great to get back on a train, have a few beers and enjoy some decent banter with fans of other clubs on the way home. 7 points from the first 4 games is a decent start given we've got a completely new team, and on balance is probably about right. We were clearly fortunate to win at Colchester so that counter balances yesterday when we should have come away with a narrow win, in my opinion.

Big week next week. Lets hope for some positive transfer activity! And lets hope that Mills injury isn't as bad as we fear it probably is.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: west stand oap on August 29, 2021, 13:46:13 pm
As we already have 5 central midfielders (McWilliams, Lewis, Flores, Sowerby and Pollock) for 2 places I think it is unlikely we will be adding any more. Brady seems to be encouraged by Flores display aginst AFC and to a lesser degree yesterday. I think he is hoping that Sowerby will be the answer when he is fully fit. Expect defensive cover signing, striker ?????


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Manwork04 on August 29, 2021, 17:50:26 pm
Defensive cover, thatís it.
KT will keep all the money as running costs*




* Kelvins lifestyle.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on August 29, 2021, 18:04:21 pm
But we effectively only have 2/3 strikers and only one of them is proven but he is not performing!


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Melbourne Cobbler on August 29, 2021, 23:56:40 pm
Interested to see if anyone can come up with a name of a striker who would be guaranteed to solve the lack of goals problem. Not having a pop, but I must have read 50+ posts saying we need one but weíre a bit short on suggestions. Iíve got no idea and canít think of one that we would have any chance of landing. Usually the only realistic chance L2 clubs have on this score (ahem) is to sign a surprise package like Morton, which we have kind of attempted this season already? I reckon we need to be creating more for the strikers anyway, havenít seen the data or stats but imagine our creative side would be below average. Until we sort this a new bloke would be a bit pointless anyway IMO. We are not getting on top of sides enough, even in the games we won. We seem to be a bit lethargic, and slightly short on belief and ideas. Not dramatically so, but it just feels like we need a few percent extra all over the pitch. If we still had Mitchell in goal this forum would be going bonkers by now. All the preseason positivity around the management team seems to be slipping away a bit, early days but 6/10 for me so far which is disappointing. That being said it needs time, but if itís like this at the end of September then we are in for a long one.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on August 30, 2021, 00:30:50 am
Melly, so many things are much better this season than last - in fact, I canít think of anything that is worse.
You are of course correct, itís much too early to panic but the signs are clearly there for us to be concerned about strikers.
In answer to your question - there have been several targets that might have been the answer but theyíve all slipped through our fingers (including Big Harry!), so now weíve got to pray for a loanee - a Morton not an Edmundson!!
Iíve only seen the 2 home league games this season but there is no doubt in my mind that we have the midfielders that are creating more for the forwards than last season. I think Kion has been a little unfortunate so far - he will come good. However, even though itís early days I think we need to consider Rose and BAS as permanent bench warmers until we can get more personnel.


Title: Re: Creepy Crawley away Saturday 28/08/21
Post by: Saint Cobbler on August 30, 2021, 17:41:37 pm
'Big Harry' would have seriously weakened Saturday's team.