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Title: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on September 28, 2021, 19:21:05 pm
Sorry to start this thread rather early but you may be interested to know that we have female referee Rebecca Welch for this game. She has had some good reviews from previous games this season.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 29, 2021, 05:44:55 am
Northampton Town FC (First Team) v Sutton United FC (First Team)
Football League 2   
Referee: Welch, Rebecca
Assistant Referee: Wilding, Darren
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Nicholas
Fourth Official: Ford, Declan


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on September 29, 2021, 11:15:58 am
Northampton Town FC (First Team) v Sutton United FC (First Team)
Football League 2   
Referee: Welch, Rebecca
Assistant Referee: Wilding, Darren
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Nicholas
Fourth Official: Ford, Declan
So the ref is a Taff woman, the esteemed always to be listened to fourth official...a car!

Unfortunately, I won't be present to witness such delights on offer... Dumfries for the weekend and Queen of the South v Dunfermline.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on September 29, 2021, 12:11:28 pm
Ive just been listening to a little of The Labour Conference and I'm a bit confused.

Is this one of those women with a penis?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Smoking Boots on September 29, 2021, 12:15:03 pm
So the ref is a Taff woman, the esteemed always to be listened to fourth official...a car!

Unfortunately, I won't be present to witness such delights on offer... Dumfries for the weekend and Queen of the South v Dunfermline.

Nice old fashioned ground..turn styles are a bit narrow though


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemaker on September 29, 2021, 12:18:20 pm
So the ref is a Taff woman, the esteemed always to be listened to fourth official...a car!

Unfortunately, I won't be present to witness such delights on offer... Dumfries for the weekend and Queen of the South v Dunfermline.
A pre match beer in the new bazaar I assume….
Cavans always nice for a pint and a good meal too.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on September 29, 2021, 14:16:45 pm
So the ref is a Taff woman, the esteemed always to be listened to fourth official...a car!

Unfortunately, I won't be present to witness such delights on offer... Dumfries for the weekend and Queen of the South v Dunfermline.

Part timer ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on September 29, 2021, 14:19:13 pm
Sorry to start this thread rather early but you may be interested to know that we have female referee Rebecca Welch for this game. She has had some good reviews from previous games this season.

What do you mean by 'good reviews'  :P


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: CobblerForever on September 29, 2021, 14:57:20 pm
What do you mean by 'good reviews'  :P

A review like you gave the Covid Testing nurse ?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3359 on September 29, 2021, 15:22:41 pm
Some bed time reading  ::)
https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/hergametoo/


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on September 29, 2021, 15:37:37 pm
Nice old fashioned ground..turn styles are a bit narrow though
I've been before!  ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Carton Lid on September 29, 2021, 15:57:11 pm
I've been before!  ;)
I went to Queen of the South v Morton back in 2002, when I was working up there. Sub for Morton that night was Martin Compston before he became famous in "Line of Duty", one of his 2 first team games.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: GrangeParkCobbler on September 29, 2021, 16:31:11 pm
Pre-match preview.....a game of firsts!!

Sutton United make their first visit to Sixfields to play their first ever game against Northampton Town. Sutton the club have been in existence since 1898 and last season they won the National League thereby sealing their first ever promotion to the Football League. Prior to last seasons promotion they were probably best known for their FA Cup victory over then top-flight Coventry City in the FA Cup back in 1989.

Last season they held off the challenge of Gary Johnsons Torquay United to seal the Conference title under Matt Gray. This is Grays first managerial role and he's been in the hotseat since April 2019. Saturday will be his 99th game in charge of United, he has 43 wins to his name so far.

This season they had a sticky start, failing to win any of their first five games in all competitions, but form has been turned around to the extent that they have won four of their last five including a 4-0 win over Carlisle last weekend. The other league victories have been at home against Hartlepool and Stevenage but they have just two points on the road coming from draws at Salford and Scunny.

David Ajiboye, Richie Bennett and Alistair Smith each have two league goals to their names, Smith got both of his last weekend. They have a relatively small squad having named just 22 different  players in league matchday squads so far this season.

A couplie of familiar faces in their squad, firstly going back a bit we have Harry Beautyman, he was with the Cobblers for nearly a year between 2016 and 2017, he scored four goals in 27 appearances for us, but has found a richer vein of scoring form with Sutton for whom he joined from Stevenage. Harry has scored 35 goals in 130 games for his current club but is yet to get off the mark this season though as he's been mainly starting on the bench.
The other former Cobbler is Ricky Korboa, released by us at the end of last season he only made five league starts in eleven months. He has yet to start a league game for Sutton but did open his goalscoring account with one of their three goals in their Papa Johns Trophy win over Crystal Palace U21's at the end of August, he has not appeared in any of Suttons matchday squads since then though.

No head to head this week, so its onto the referee, and another first. Already mentioned in this thread is the fact that Rebecca Welch becomes the first woman to ref a senior Cobblers game. The former NHS worker progressed to the National League list back in 2018 and took charge of her first EFL game last season which was between Harrogate and Port Vale. She has also reffed in the Womens Super League and taken charge of two womens FA Cup Finals.
This season she has handled three League Two games and handed out three yellow cards in each.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Alan Partridge on September 29, 2021, 17:17:16 pm
We have played Sutton United once before way back in 1907 in the FA Cup. We won 10-0!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Gander on September 29, 2021, 18:28:39 pm
That wouldn't have been us, I'm afraid. We were still a junior club until 1908.   There are several Suttons in the midlands and it was probably a club from one of those towns.

We are looking forward to our first visit to your club on Saturday.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Smoking Boots on September 29, 2021, 19:00:25 pm
Pre-match preview.....a game of firsts!!

Sutton United make their first visit to Sixfields to play their first ever game against Northampton Town. Sutton the club have been in existence since 1898 and last season they won the National League thereby sealing their first ever promotion to the Football League. Prior to last seasons promotion they were probably best known for their FA Cup victory over then top-flight Coventry City in the FA Cup back in 1989.

Last season they held off the challenge of Gary Johnsons Torquay United to seal the Conference title under Matt Gray. This is Grays first managerial role and he's been in the hotseat since April 2019. Saturday will be his 99th game in charge of United, he has 43 wins to his name so far.

This season they had a sticky start, failing to win any of their first five games in all competitions, but form has been turned around to the extent that they have won four of their last five including a 4-0 win over Carlisle last weekend. The other league victories have been at home against Hartlepool and Stevenage but they have just two points on the road coming from draws at Salford and Scunny.

David Ajiboye, Richie Bennett and Alistair Smith each have two league goals to their names, Smith got both of his last weekend. They have a relatively small squad having named just 22 different  players in league matchday squads so far this season.

A couplie of familiar faces in their squad, firstly going back a bit we have Harry Beautyman, he was with the Cobblers for nearly a year between 2016 and 2017, he scored four goals in 27 appearances for us, but has found a richer vein of scoring form with Sutton for whom he joined from Stevenage. Harry has scored 35 goals in 130 games for his current club but is yet to get off the mark this season though as he's been mainly starting on the bench.
The other former Cobbler is Ricky Korboa, released by us at the end of last season he only made five league starts in eleven months. He has yet to start a league game for Sutton but did open his goalscoring account with one of their three goals in their Papa Johns Trophy win over Crystal Palace U21's at the end of August, he has not appeared in any of Suttons matchday squads since then though.

No head to head this week, so its onto the referee, and another first. Already mentioned in this thread is the fact that Rebecca Welch becomes the first woman to ref a senior Cobblers game. The former NHS worker progressed to the National League list back in 2018 and took charge of her first EFL game last season which was between Harrogate and Port Vale. She has also reffed in the Womens Super League and taken charge of two womens FA Cup Finals.
This season she has handled three League Two games and handed out three yellow cards in each.

8 x First


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on September 29, 2021, 19:01:22 pm
I went to Queen of the South v Morton back in 2002, when I was working up there. Sub for Morton that night was Martin Compston before he became famous in "Line of Duty", one of his 2 first team games.
When I went before, their club shop had been broken into that morning. QofS puffer jackets taken. Always found a little amusing, the thought of some scamps trying to off load Queen of the South puffer jackets in some dodgy east end Glasgow bars!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Alan Partridge on September 29, 2021, 19:03:01 pm
That wouldn't have been us, I'm afraid. We were still a junior club until 1908.   There are several Suttons in the midlands and it was probably a club from one of those towns.

We are looking forward to our first visit to your club on Saturday.

Ah I got the information from Frank Grande's Official Centenary History of Northampton Town and it is listed as Sutton United however just done a quick search online and we are listed elsewhere as playing Sutton Town in that cup game!

First game against you this Saturday it is then  ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on September 29, 2021, 19:10:40 pm
That wouldn't have been us, I'm afraid. We were still a junior club until 1908.   There are several Suttons in the midlands and it was probably a club from one of those towns.

We are looking forward to our first visit to your club on Saturday.
I have seen the Sutton before. Down at Gander Green Lane around 2012 time, as part of the 40 odd Oxford City contingent in the FAC. I can see why a 3G surface was laid!  ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 30, 2021, 05:55:56 am
When I went before, their club shop had been broken into that morning. QofS puffer jackets taken. Always found a little amusing, the thought of some scamps trying to off load Queen of the South puffer jackets in some dodgy east end Glasgow bars!

I remember going to a Celtic match and in a pub before the match some little scrote was going around selling Celtic shirts that still had the club shop price and security tags on them.

Still, it provided a welcome distraction from all the anti-English/pro-IRA songs that were going on at the time...


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on September 30, 2021, 06:05:56 am
When I went before, their club shop had been broken into that morning. QofS puffer jackets taken. Always found a little amusing, the thought of some scamps trying to off load Queen of the South puffer jackets in some dodgy east end Glasgow bars!

https://twitter.com/NickMurphy1995/status/1443150678709448707?s=19
 ;D ;D Very Del Boy...


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on September 30, 2021, 07:01:38 am
I remember going to a Celtic match and in a pub before the match some little scrote was going around selling Celtic shirts that still had the club shop price and security tags on them.

Still, it provided a welcome distraction from all the anti-English/pro-IRA songs that were going on at the time...
What a surprise, what the fûck were you doing there?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: DrillingCobbler on September 30, 2021, 08:10:06 am
https://twitter.com/NickMurphy1995/status/1443150678709448707?s=19
 ;D ;D Very Del Boy...

Re-worked for ya!  ;D

We've got some
Half price cracked ice
And miles and miles of carpet tiles
TVs
Deep freeze
And David Bowie LPs.
Ball games
Gold chains,
What's-names
Pictures frames
And leather goods
And Carlisle bath mats.
From a mush in Shepherds Bush


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 30, 2021, 08:33:45 am
What a surprise, what the fûck were you doing there?

A friend of a friend had a list of European stadiums he wanted to experience the atmosphere in and Celtic Park was one of them, so he arranged a lad's weekend and I went along for the piss-up.

Never seen so many lowlife scumbags in my life...


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on September 30, 2021, 09:03:48 am

We've got some
Half price cracked ice
And miles and miles of carpet tiles
TVs
Deep freeze
And David Bowie LPs.
Ball games
Gold chains,
What's-names
Pictures frames
And leather goods
And Carlisle bath mats.
From a mush in Shepherds Bush

Hello Kelvin.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on September 30, 2021, 09:30:48 am
https://twitter.com/NickMurphy1995/status/1443150678709448707?s=19
 ;D ;D Very Del Boy...
What is it with fans and lower league towels!  ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on September 30, 2021, 09:32:36 am
A friend of a friend had a list of European stadiums he wanted to experience the atmosphere in and Celtic Park was one of them, so he arranged a lad's weekend and I went along for the ****-up.

Never seen so many lowlife scumbags in my life...
Abington Street, any weekday must run it close!

How much were the shirts btw?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on September 30, 2021, 10:07:50 am
A friend of a friend had a list of European stadiums he wanted to experience the atmosphere in and Celtic Park was one of them, so he arranged a lad's weekend and I went along for the ****-up.

Never seen so many lowlife scumbags in my life...
They really have to be seen to be believed mate.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Zen Master on September 30, 2021, 11:27:10 am
On the Buckfast?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on September 30, 2021, 11:37:12 am
A friend of a friend had a list of European stadiums he wanted to experience the atmosphere in and Celtic Park was one of them, so he arranged a lad's weekend and I went along for the ****-up.

Never seen so many lowlife scumbags in my life...
A couple of years ago in a Liverpool Wetherspoons, the lowlife scumbags were walking around, and saying to people, have you done with those chips mate? What about that last bit of steak mate? Or that bit of fish?
And the bouncers just stood back and watched.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on September 30, 2021, 11:49:33 am
On the Buckfast?
They can’t afford the Buckie, it will be whatever they can steal otherwise the brown.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: ItsaSetPieceDivision on September 30, 2021, 17:12:32 pm
Do the reviews mention if she has big norks?


This is just blatant misogyny and frankly should not be tolerated on this forum or anywhere in society for that matter.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on September 30, 2021, 17:46:15 pm
I just saw on Facebook that the club are offering 50 free tickets for this game to Afghan refugees. A really nice gesture I think, but fùck me, the state of some of the comments on there... embarrassing.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemender on September 30, 2021, 18:24:30 pm

This is just blatant misogyny and frankly should not be tolerated on this forum or anywhere in society for that matter.

Well said.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on September 30, 2021, 18:28:18 pm
As this thread meanders, don't let it be said that Sutton United haven't captured the imagination of the fan base!  ;D

They play in yellow, don't they?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on September 30, 2021, 22:55:12 pm

This is just blatant misogyny and frankly should not be tolerated on this forum or anywhere in society for that matter.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 03:10:05 am

This is just blatant misogyny and frankly should not be tolerated on this forum or anywhere in society for that matter.

 ;D If you read carefully, it was the "review" I was referring to, not the person, however for balance I did call Brett Huxtable a fat bastard with a full barrel of Theakstons in his belly.

Equality for everyone, including snowflakes and those with no sense of humour.

Did you enjoy the conference?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 01, 2021, 07:00:53 am
I’m hoping for a chorus of “Get your …………. for the lads”



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3359 on October 01, 2021, 07:14:13 am
I’m hoping for a chorus of “Get your …………. for the lads”

And I hope any that sing it get banned the same they would for other discriminatory songs.
Call me a snowflake, call me whatever makes you feel better, but I want to be able to bring my daughter to games in the future and not have to put up with sh1t like this


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 01, 2021, 07:24:19 am
And I hope any that sing it get banned the same they would for other discriminatory songs.
Call me a snowflake, call me whatever makes you feel better, but I want to be able to bring my daughter to games in the future and not have to put up with sh1t like this
Perhaps we should ban all chanting because nearly all of it contains swearing and things you won’t like ?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3359 on October 01, 2021, 07:27:24 am
Perhaps we should ban all chanting because nearly all of it contains swearing and things you won’t like ?
Not sure where I mentioned not liking swearing.
For clarity, can you let me know what types of discrimination you are happy with and will happily join in with please.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 01, 2021, 07:50:50 am
Not sure where I mentioned not liking swearing.
For clarity, can you let me know what types of discrimination you are happy with and will happily join in with please.
Woody, discrimination isn’t acceptable, but a bit of light hearted terrace banter is a relief from having political correctness rammed down your throat.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 08:17:14 am
Woody, discrimination isn’t acceptable, but a bit of light hearted terrace banter is a relief from having political correctness rammed down your throat.


Hear, hear! There is a family stand.

I'm sick to death of "families" taking precedent. I don't go swearing in playgrounds (not since I was arrested anyway) but kids now bring their plastic slides into pubs! "I have kids you know," so fucking what? So do many people, its not difficult. Go play in the park, not sit in a pub then, isn't that why you had them, for "family moments?"  I don't mean you woody, just generalising.  :-*

Don't joke about religion, colour, sex, poofs, lezzers, men with a clitoris (wish I had one) don't smoke, don't fucking move. There is almost nowhere left for adults to speak freely and be relaxed without someone being offended.

Part of many reasons why I left the UK and banned kids from my hotel.  ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest49 on October 01, 2021, 08:22:46 am
I'd recommend reading 'The Madness of Crowds'. OK, it's written by a Tory but is pretty interesting and thought provoking.
We've got to meet in the middle somewhere.

Nothing to do with kids being present but I think we can draw the line well before 'jokingly' requesting a female referee to disrobe in 2021.  


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 08:25:10 am
I'd recommend reading 'The Madness of Crowds'. OK, it's written by a Tory but is pretty interesting and thought provoking.
We've got to meet in the middle somewhere.

Nothing to do with kids being present but I think we can draw the line well before 'jokingly' requesting a female referee to disrobe in 2021.  

They are developing x-ray specs (not reforming the band) which is much more sinister than Sid James ever was.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 08:36:17 am
Personally I find it a bit odd if people find comments about tits, norks, etc etc etc offensive on a football forum, even in 2021.

If people are generally concerned regarding female exploitation, I hope they don't subscribe to Only Fans or have never consumed any porn whatsoever. It goes way deeper than that of course, media, cosmetics, fashion and for anyone who considers me inconsiderate or offensive towards women, I may remind them that I'm probably surrounded by more diversity than they will ever encounter in their lifetime.

May I remind those offended, not you Tone!

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Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Fred_NTFC on October 01, 2021, 08:43:15 am
It's political correctness gone mad = I have hateful views

Every. Single. Time.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest2995 on October 01, 2021, 08:47:27 am
There may be trouble ahead


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3359 on October 01, 2021, 08:52:48 am
Hear, hear! There is a family stand.

I'm sick to death of "families" taking precedent. I don't go swearing in playgrounds (not since I was arrested anyway) but kids now bring their plastic slides into pubs! "I have kids you know," so fucking what? So do many people, its not difficult. Go play in the park, not sit in a pub then, isn't that why you had them, for "family moments?"  I don't mean you woody, just generalising.  :-*

Don't joke about religion, colour, sex, poofs, lezzers, men with a clitoris (wish I had one) don't smoke, don't fucking move. There is almost nowhere left for adults to speak freely and be relaxed without someone being offended.

Part of many reasons why I left the UK and banned kids from my hotel.  ;)
I remember as a kid going to the games with my dad and the excitement / buzz  I felt joining in with the swearing in the songs to see what I could get away with and trying to look out the corner of my eye to see if he had noticed (of course he had) and if I was going to get told off (he laughed). I fully expect the same with my daughter.
I'm not taking her in the family stand because I find it boring and full of kids!

Joking / banter is fine but with everything there is a point. A stand singing sexists (as suggested by Manwork), racist, homophobic songs isn't acceptable.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 08:55:39 am
It's political correctness gone mad = I have hateful views

Every. Single. Time.

Who mentioned PC?

Its about where and what language is appropriate, surely? This is why we have age ratings. I'm sorry some posters are clearly under 16 years of age.

Sorry, Shirley.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest49 on October 01, 2021, 08:58:31 am
It's political correctness gone mad = I have hateful views

Every. Single. Time.

Pity this isn't the right forum (and certainly thread) to have these exchanges. Don't necessarily agree with this Fred. The issue (IMO) is that the world has changed SO much in a really short period of time. People are afraid to enter reasonable debate for the fear of the 'cancel culture' or being vilified. It is not enough anymore to not be racist, you have to be anti-racist. The same across the board with anyone of a number of topics. Of course there are still racists, bigots etc on one side of the 'discussion'.

I'm sure most of you haven't been unfortunate enough to witness 'Married at First Sight' but there's been women on there treating men like absolute cr*p, from plain bullying to tearing them down on their looks. If it was the other way around it would have created carnage.
That's the main issue for me, that by trying to correct previous 'wrongs' that things go way too far the other way.


Anyway, I'm going 2 v 1  ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 09:02:50 am
I remember as a kid going to the games with my dad and the excitement / buzz  I felt joining in with the swearing in the songs to see what I could get away with and trying to look out the corner of my eye to see if he had noticed (of course he had) and if I was going to get told off (he laughed). I fully expect the same with my daughter.
I'm not taking her in the family stand because I find it boring and full of kids!

Joking / banter is fine but with everything there is a point. A stand singing sexists (as suggested by Manwork), racist, homophobic songs isn't acceptable.

Totally agree woody. Same for me standing in the Hotel End from 1980 onwards. probably the reasons why I am why I am!

The songs are definitely more 2021 now though,  :-X

Have a top day out Sat.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 09:05:47 am
Pity this isn't the right forum (and certainly thread) to have these exchanges. Don't necessarily agree with this Fred. The issue (IMO) is that the world has changed SO much in a really short period of time. People are afraid to enter reasonable debate for the fear of the 'cancel culture' or being vilified. It is not enough anymore to not be racist, you have to be anti-racist. The same across the board with anyone of a number of topics. Of course there are still racists, bigots etc on one side of the 'discussion'.

I'm sure most of you haven't been unfortunate enough to witness 'Married at First Sight' but there's been women on there treating men like absolute cr*p, from plain bullying to tearing them down on their looks. If it was the other way around it would have created carnage.
That's the main issue for me, that by trying to correct previous 'wrongs' that things go way too far the other way.


Anyway, I'm going 2 v 1  ;D

Well said Tone.

Ill shut up now, I hope the referee has a good game, 3-0 Cobblers


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3359 on October 01, 2021, 09:32:04 am
Totally agree woody. Same for me standing in the Hotel End from 1980 onwards. probably the reasons why I am why I am!

The songs are definitely more 2021 now though,  :-X

Have a top day out Sat.
(where's the thumbs up emoji?)

I'm going 1-0.
I'll think he'll go back to a defensive approach and still struggle with where the goals will come from.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 01, 2021, 10:25:10 am
Fair amount of pretentious comment on here. Thought this was a football thread not a haven for distraught personalities  ::)




Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest168 on October 01, 2021, 10:30:08 am
Fair amount of pretentious comment on here. Thought this was a football thread not a haven for distraught personalities  ::)




pot & kettle  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Travelaway on October 01, 2021, 10:34:28 am
There may be trouble ahead

Talibs??


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: 1971cobbler on October 01, 2021, 10:47:28 am


Ill shut up now, I hope the referee has a good game, 3-0 Cobblers
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Best thing that could happen tomorrow is no controversy from the referee at all, whilst officiating well, to the point that they would be viewed as one of the better ones in a poor bunch.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 01, 2021, 11:36:53 am
It's political correctness gone mad = I have hateful views

Every. Single. Time.

Absolutely brilliant, you’ve just proved my point.



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 01, 2021, 11:38:46 am
Anyway back to the footy I’m going for a ………1-1 draw, think their manager will have a point to prove after the speculation linking him with us.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 01, 2021, 11:43:20 am
In the few efl games she has refereed so far Rebecca Welch has received favourable comments from the supporters of the clubs involved. Let's hope this continues tomorrow and she has a good game, certainly no need for sexist comments to be directed at her.
This is my view on swearing and it is not aimed particularly at anyone on here as we can conduct ourselves as we please providing it is within the law. Personally I rarely swear except for the occasional "bloody hell" when something goes wrong as it does not achieve anything and I do not see the point. None of my friends, mostly retired professionals, swear and I still meet up with 3 lads I went to grammar school with back in the 1960's and none of them swear.
From my experience it is often the people of lower education or manual workers who appear more likely to swear and some cannot construct a sentence without an f word and even often use this language in front of their own children. I don't know if they think it makes them look macho but personally I think it makes them loook small. Fortunately where we sit in the west stand it is rare to here any swearing. Similarly when posting you can get your message across without resorting to swearing, but each to their own.
Anyway back to tomorrow which is a game we would consider disappointing if we failed to get 3 points. October gives us an excellent chance to consolidate our position at the top end of the table with 4 winnable home games against teams from the bottom half of the table, Mansfield, Stevenage and Carlisle being the others.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 01, 2021, 11:49:45 am
In the few efl games she has refereed so far Rebecca Welch has received favourable comments from the supporters of the clubs involved. Let's hope this continues tomorrow and she has a good game, certainly no need for sexist comments to be directed at her.
This is my view on swearing and it is not aimed particularly at anyone on here as we can conduct ourselves as we please providing it is within the law. Personally I rarely swear except for the occasional "bloody hell" when something goes wrong as it does not achieve anything and I do not see the point. None of my friends, mostly retired professionals, swear and I still meet up with 3 lads I went to grammar school with back in the 1960's and none of them swear.
From my experience it is often the people of lower education or manual workers who appear more likely to swear and some cannot construct a sentence without an f word and even often use this language in front of their own children. I don't know if they think it makes them look macho but personally I think it makes them loook small. Fortunately where we sit in the west stand it is rare to here any swearing. Similarly when posting you can get your message across without resorting to swearing, but each to their own.
Anyway back to tomorrow which is a game we would consider disappointing if we failed to get 3 points. October gives us an excellent chance to consolidate our position at the top end of the table with 4 winnable home games against teams from the bottom half of the table, Mansfield, Stevenage and Carlisle being the others.

How dare you discriminate against blue collar workers, you be ashamed.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 01, 2021, 11:53:06 am
Great to see we have invited 50 Afghan refugees to the match tomorrow, hope it’s a good game and they enjoy themselves.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: cobbler151 on October 01, 2021, 12:25:33 pm
Is anyone aware of current state of our two CBs?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: singcobb on October 01, 2021, 12:39:31 pm
Choosing to get upset by something you read on an internet forum is akin to choosing to step in dog shít rather than walking round it.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Carton Lid on October 01, 2021, 13:13:29 pm
Will the Saints road closures be removed before we get out ?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 13:59:48 pm
In the few efl games she has refereed so far Rebecca Welch has received favourable comments from the supporters of the clubs involved. Let's hope this continues tomorrow and she has a good game, certainly no need for sexist comments to be directed at her.


Completely agree with this.

She cant be worse than that fat twat Huxtable.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 14:02:27 pm
Fair amount of pretentious comment on here. Thought this was a football thread not a haven for distraught personalities  ::)




Hello Evers.

I think that's all there is here..


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: honcho on October 01, 2021, 15:44:29 pm
Great to see we have invited 50 Afghan refugees to the match tomorrow, hope it’s a good game and they enjoy themselves.

Dear Lord haven't they suffered enough!  ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 01, 2021, 16:02:57 pm
Great to see we have invited 50 Afghan refugees to the match tomorrow, hope it’s a good game and they enjoy themselves.

This is a superb move from the club a truly inclusive and welcoming gesture.

As most Afghan refugees are aged around 20 there must be some talent in there. Sign them first.

We need to teach them some songs, it will help with their grasp of English, I know how it feels to be a stranger abroad.

Get your... ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 01, 2021, 16:36:52 pm
This is a superb move from the club a truly inclusive and welcoming gesture.

As most Afghan refugees are aged around 20 there must be some talent in there. Sign them first.

We need to teach them some songs, it will help with their grasp of English, I know how it feels to be a stranger abroad.

Get your... ;D
😂😂😂


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: cobbler151 on October 01, 2021, 16:58:25 pm
Is it true Horsfall out injured?

Heard Guthrie is playing with groin injury too.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Risdene on October 01, 2021, 17:23:28 pm
This is a superb move from the club a truly inclusive and welcoming gesture.

As most Afghan refugees are aged around 20 there must be some talent in there. Sign them first.

We need to teach them some songs, it will help with their grasp of English, I know how it feels to be a stranger abroad.

Get your... ;D
A great gesture and also great to see fans buying Cobblers shirts via the club shop (contact Wendy) to be given to the Afghan children.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3086 on October 01, 2021, 18:23:45 pm
Choosing to get upset by something you read on an internet forum is akin to choosing to step in dog shít rather than walking round it.

Que?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: andycobbler on October 01, 2021, 18:34:10 pm
In the few efl games she has refereed so far Rebecca Welch has received favourable comments from the supporters of the clubs involved. Let's hope this continues tomorrow and she has a good game, certainly no need for sexist comments to be directed at her.
This is my view on swearing and it is not aimed particularly at anyone on here as we can conduct ourselves as we please providing it is within the law. Personally I rarely swear except for the occasional "bloody hell" when something goes wrong as it does not achieve anything and I do not see the point. None of my friends, mostly retired professionals, swear and I still meet up with 3 lads I went to grammar school with back in the 1960's and none of them swear.
From my experience it is often the people of lower education or manual workers who appear more likely to swear and some cannot construct a sentence without an f word and even often use this language in front of their own children. I don't know if they think it makes them look macho but personally I think it makes them loook small. Fortunately where we sit in the west stand it is rare to here any swearing. Similarly when posting you can get your message across without resorting to swearing, but each to their own.
Anyway back to tomorrow which is a game we would consider disappointing if we failed to get 3 points. October gives us an excellent chance to consolidate our position at the top end of the table with 4 winnable home games against teams from the bottom half of the table, Mansfield, Stevenage and Carlisle being the others.

Very arrogant to say the use of certain language depicts education standards of people who use it. Be ashamed.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 01, 2021, 18:43:52 pm
Great to see we have invited 50 Afghan refugees to the match tomorrow, hope it’s a good game and they enjoy themselves.

Immigration of any type always works best when immigrants integrate with the host community - great gesture by the club and the vast majority of supporter applauding the action.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: singcobb on October 01, 2021, 19:07:33 pm
Immigration of any type always works best when immigrants integrate with the host community - great gesture by the club and the vast majority of supporter applauding the action.

I just hope the experience is not ruined for them by the vocal minority.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 01, 2021, 19:49:04 pm
I just hope the experience is not ruined for them by the vocal minority.
I don’t think any of our supporters would be so crass.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest2995 on October 01, 2021, 20:09:48 pm
Is it true Horsfall out injured?

Heard Guthrie is playing with groin injury too.
there could be trouble ahead


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 01, 2021, 20:15:44 pm
andycobbler - there is nothing to be ashamed of in telling the truth from ones experience in life. Having worked in a manufacturing environment for several years a while ago it was common to here fruity language on the shop floor but rare from executives, senior managers and office workers. Although many years ago an exec or senior manager would occasionally speak to an office worker in a way which would not be considered appropriate today as it would be deemed bad for their mental health. This was not even a topic back then and people just got on with life. I am not saying that we should go back to the dark ages but there are so many silly things in life today that a lot of the older generation find bemusing.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3086 on October 01, 2021, 20:24:29 pm
Can't we go forward to a dark age? Let's face it, humankind is drawing an end to it's stay on planet earth 1.0 so let's do it in style without a whimper. Release the bats, eat the sprats, forget the cats, embrace the rats and live like dumb hooligans.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 01, 2021, 20:29:11 pm
Is it true Horsfall out injured?

Heard Guthrie is playing with groin injury too.
thats alright. weve got a lad from Villa.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 01, 2021, 20:55:09 pm
A great gesture and also great to see fans buying Cobblers shirts via the club shop (contact Wendy) to be given to the Afghan children.
As long as the club tops up any shortfall. No kid should miss out.
Speaking of which, about 20 years ago, I sent a shirt to an Afghan charity, so if you see an EBS mobile phone shirt being worn, have a smile. That shirt has seen some action.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest49 on October 01, 2021, 21:23:26 pm
Choosing to get upset by something you read on an internet forum is akin to choosing to step in dog shít rather than walking round it.

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 01, 2021, 21:56:09 pm
Hello Evers.

I think that's

all there is here..

 ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 01, 2021, 22:06:52 pm
Very arrogant to say the use of certain language depicts education standards of people who use it. Be ashamed.

The point is that swearing is a form of bullying.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Travelaway on October 01, 2021, 23:13:45 pm
The point is that swearing is a form of bullying.

Tourettes is a syndrome that causes involuntary sounds, are they bullies?

Examples of vocal tics include:

grunting
throat clearing
whistling
coughing
tongue clicking
animal sounds
saying random words and phrases
repeating a sound, word or phrase
swearing

Actually..a good description of what to expect at fkn Sixfields on a fkn game day.. ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Travelaway on October 01, 2021, 23:23:45 pm
This is a superb move from the club a truly inclusive and welcoming gesture.

As most Afghan refugees are aged around 20 there must be some talent in there. Sign them first.

We need to teach them some songs, it will help with their grasp of English, I know how it feels to be a stranger abroad.

Get your... ;D

Was working in Austria a couple of years ago, and used to watch KSV 1919, at that time the influx via Turkey, Greece and Italy was at its height.

To gain Austrian citizenship, the immigrants had to show their desire to become part of the local society. So they were ''pushed'' by local officers into attending KSV games.
They turned up in African dress with BIG drums and just enjoyed themselves...

No Idea what they were chanting probably something like ...

''we're only here for the passport
..here for the passssport..
We're only here for the passport''

Bless em.. ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 01, 2021, 23:52:20 pm
Tourettes is a syndrome that causes involuntary sounds, are they bullies?

Examples of vocal tics include:

grunting
throat clearing
whistling
coughing
tongue clicking
animal sounds
saying random words and phrases
repeating a sound, word or phrase
swearing

Actually..a good description of what to expect at fkn Sixfields on a fkn game day.. ;)

Were I sit fans generally behave normally - even some of your tics happen! To me your remarks on Tourettes appears that you don't understand that it is a condition of the Nervous System - not to be trivialised.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Travelaway on October 02, 2021, 00:48:03 am
Were I sit fans generally behave normally - even some of your tics happen! To me your remarks on Tourettes appears that you don't understand that it is a condition of the Nervous System - not to be trivialised.

Another fantastic post from the amazing Everbrite...
Question.. are Tourettes suffers bullies?

Where you sit is irrelevant ...Top tier east stand would be good for you, and give the rest of us some peace!



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 02, 2021, 05:26:03 am
I just saw on Facebook that the club are offering 50 free tickets for this game to Afghan refugees. 

On refection I think this is a huge mistake.

Haven't these people suffered enough? One glimpse of the East Stand could traumatise them all over again, probably think they are right back in Kabul.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 02, 2021, 08:06:52 am
On refection I think this is a huge mistake.

Haven't these people suffered enough? One glimpse of the East Stand could traumatise them all over again, probably think they are right back in Kabul.
That will be the Town Center.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 02, 2021, 08:30:51 am
Is it true Horsfall out injured?

Heard Guthrie is playing with groin injury too.

There was a headline on the official site to say there are no fresh injuries and the squad is fit and strong. So they shouldn't be injured, we're buggered if they are.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Vince Planner on October 02, 2021, 08:41:54 am
That will be the Town Center.
The Town Centre, please.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Clint on October 02, 2021, 09:31:38 am
On refection I think this is a huge mistake.

Haven't these people suffered enough? One glimpse of the East Stand could traumatise them all over again, probably think they are right back in Kabul.
;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Charlatan on October 02, 2021, 09:51:40 am
Great to see we have invited 50 Afghan refugees to the match tomorrow, hope it’s a good game and they enjoy themselves.
Definitely Manny, a lovely gesture rom the club, 3 points today would be the icing on the cake. UTC.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 02, 2021, 10:29:56 am
Another fantastic post from the amazing Everbrite...
Question.. are Tourettes suffers bullies?

Where you sit is irrelevant ...Top tier east stand would be good for you, and give the rest of us some peace!


What on earth Einstein has Tourette’s go to do with swearing at somebody else! No idea how somebody could get jumpy on Swearing  ::) . If the cap fits .........
Then you contradict yourself by saying where you sit is irrelevant then adding how the East Stand is so nice. Then worst of all you adopt a patronising attitude where people sit. Keep on Travelling....far away!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 02, 2021, 10:44:57 am
On refection I think this is a huge mistake.

Haven't these people suffered enough? One glimpse of the East Stand could traumatise them all over again, probably think they are right back in Kabul.

Your last sentence is a bit pretentious. If they are welcomed and enjoy the experience all is good?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: lordjord on October 02, 2021, 11:33:10 am
Trying to bring the focus to the game... 2 sides who are going to be playing 4-4-2 so hopefully we are able to demonstrate our progress week on week against a side attempting the same. Hoping to see Etete break his league duck today. Going for a 2-0 win.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 02, 2021, 11:53:06 am
I don't think we can be sure that we are going to play 442 he may keep last weeks 433.
Rose has accumulated 4 yellows from the first 9 league games so if he gets 1 more in the next 10 games he gets a 1 match suspension. He has been booked in each of the last 3 games.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 02, 2021, 13:06:36 pm
Cobblers: Roberts, McGowan, Horsfall, Koiki, McWilliams, Hoskins, Lewis, Sowerby, Pinnock, Rose, Kabamba #ntfc


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: bungle on October 02, 2021, 13:08:22 pm
Guthrie out due to catching Covid.  :o

Strange team selection. The safest move would have been to bring Harriman in - an experienced and competent defender. 

Hard to predict what he'll do. Will he play Lewis or McWilliams as an emergency CB? Or move Hoskins or McWilliams in as a right back and put McGowan as a CB, or will we be going with a rather makeshift back three perhaps in a 3-5-2 looking something like this:

                   Roberts
           McGowan Horsfall Koiki

  Pinnock    McWilliams Sowerby  Hoskins
                        
                            Lewis
                        
                   Kabamba     Rose

 I'd be a tad concerned if we went into this with Hoskins and Pinnock as wing backs with Koiki as a centre back but in Brady we trust. It's going to be interesting...


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 02, 2021, 13:13:31 pm

Guthrie out due to catching Covid.  :o


That’s our attacking thread gone then!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest2995 on October 02, 2021, 13:26:20 pm
i have been saying there is trouble ahead …
We are stretched thin - and that’s if all those playing are properly fit .
Villa guy clearly not rated .
Plus Sutton launch it .


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: WasRambo on October 02, 2021, 13:28:26 pm
I've backed us to win three nil


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Clint on October 02, 2021, 13:38:50 pm
Your last sentence is a bit pretentious. If they are welcomed and enjoy the experience all is good?
Whoosh


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 02, 2021, 13:43:43 pm
I've got here early.
She has got big norks.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest49 on October 02, 2021, 13:56:16 pm

Villa guy clearly not rated .


Quite the fall from grace after the Coventry brace.

Was kinda hoping he was going to be our source of goals this season.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 02, 2021, 14:01:01 pm
I've got here early.
She has got big norks.
Any sign of the new Afghan supporters branch? Just look for the sandals.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest2995 on October 02, 2021, 14:01:31 pm
Quite the fall from grace after the Coventry brace.

Was kinda hoping he was going to be our source of goals this season.
not Etete - he is from Spurs


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: singcobb on October 02, 2021, 14:04:45 pm
I've backed us to win three nil

I went with us to win, more than two goals at 12/5


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 02, 2021, 14:06:18 pm
Any sign of the new Afghan supporters branch? Just look for the sandals.
No sandals Tabasco. There's a few in with rucksacks rough?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 02, 2021, 14:11:41 pm
No sandals Tabasco. There's a few in with rucksacks rough?
;D  ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on October 02, 2021, 14:31:36 pm
Where’s the lad we got from Villa?

Crazy how light we are in depth.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: WasRambo on October 02, 2021, 14:43:10 pm
FFS it's f***in Sutton. We are crap at home


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: cobbler151 on October 02, 2021, 14:44:26 pm
We have been beyond awful.

Zero game plan.



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Baldy on October 02, 2021, 14:48:30 pm
We have been beyond awful.

Zero game plan.


I blame Feelgood.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemaker on October 02, 2021, 14:53:10 pm
We have been beyond awful.

Zero game plan.


Sounds like we’re lucky to only be one down.
Mind you we are still in with a shout and if we bring our goalscorers on who knows??


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: bungle on October 02, 2021, 14:56:24 pm
The service we're giving to the strikers is p*ss poor.

0 shots on target.

Things I want Brady to do:

- Take McWilliams off for Harriman (aka a proper full back). McWilliams is treading a tightrope on his booking and Harriman would at least give us proper balance at full back. We need to create some overloads and overlaps with our full backs - that's the best way of breaking down a stubborn 4-4-2 team like Sutton. At the moment we're lopsided and predictable because everything goes down Koiki's wing. Another alternative would be to take Sowerby or Lewis off for Harriman and shift McW back into midfield.

- Bring Etete on for Kabamba. Sutton's CBs are physical and aerially competent. Etete's extra guile and pace will cause them more problems.

- If we're still trailing at 60 mins, bring Pollock or Flores on for Sowerby - yes, it might compromise some midfield bite, but we need someone to get in between the lines and thread some passes through

What Brady probably will do:

- Play it safe, make no changes and hope we score from a corner/long throw


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 02, 2021, 14:57:28 pm
Absolutely shocking first half. Looked completely clueless going forward. Sutton are pressing us and look a yard sharper. We're not going to get anything by hoofing it up to Kabamba. On the floor please and someone needs the courage totake on their man, like McWilliams has done a couple of times. Mind you, he'll be lucky if he lasts 90 mins given the challenges he's putting in.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest2995 on October 02, 2021, 14:59:13 pm
The Afghans have got on the plane back to the Taliban after that ….
How on earth Kabamba is picked in front of Etete i will never know . He is not a goal threat .
Guthrie is a massive loss - our best player .



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Mysterious Curle on October 02, 2021, 15:05:41 pm
How and why the f*** has McWilliams been selected at RB ahead of Harriman?

Next he’ll be picking Lewis to play in goal ahead of Maxted.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest49 on October 02, 2021, 15:09:02 pm
Going to be a long second half


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Baldy on October 02, 2021, 15:09:49 pm
What the hell is going on?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: bungle on October 02, 2021, 15:10:16 pm
How and why the **** has McWilliams been selected at RB ahead of Harriman?

Next he’ll be picking Lewis to play in goal ahead of Maxted.

Harriman is 28 years old, played consistently at L1 level, mainstay of our defence when we got promoted from this level under Curle. Must be wondering what he has to do to get a game.

I take it back though: Sowerby should be the one to make way for Harriman. We need McWilliams' bite in midfield and Sowerby has been poor.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: cobbler151 on October 02, 2021, 15:13:02 pm
I am literally lost for words.

Zero creativity.
Zero understanding between players.
Zero patterns of play

Kabamba is as bad as Seal.
Why isn't Harriman playing RB?



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 02, 2021, 15:16:20 pm
Oh dear. After 55 minutes if you had to pick the best 11 of the 22 on the pitch there wouldn’t be one claret shirt - pretty appalling, needs some subs to mix it up.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Dr Feelgood on October 02, 2021, 15:16:43 pm
Dont panic I truly believe theres a goal in us.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemaker on October 02, 2021, 15:17:25 pm
Things will all be better when we solve our two year striker problems by buying a couple of proven strikers…..
I predict 2023.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: bungle on October 02, 2021, 15:20:20 pm
Etete for Sean McWilliams.

Great. Straight out of the Keith Curle playbook of substitutions. Playing ****, creating nothing in the way of service and struggling to gain control of the midfield? No problem - just throw on an extra striker and lump it long against giant centre backs. Sure that won't unbalance the side in any way.

Starting to fear that Brady is seriously tactically naive.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: cobbler151 on October 02, 2021, 15:26:22 pm
Etete for Sean McWilliams.

Great. Straight out of the Keith Curle playbook of substitutions. Playing ****, creating nothing in the way of service and struggling to gain control of the midfield? No problem - just throw on an extra striker and lump it long against giant centre backs. Sure that won't unbalance the side in any way.

Starting to fear that Brady is seriously tactically naive.

Clueless is more fitting


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemaker on October 02, 2021, 15:30:28 pm
Etete for Sean McWilliams.

Great. Straight out of the Keith Curle playbook of substitutions. Playing ****, creating nothing in the way of service and struggling to gain control of the midfield? No problem - just throw on an extra striker and lump it long against giant centre backs. Sure that won't unbalance the side in any way.

Starting to fear that Brady is seriously tactically naive.
To be fair he’s built a wafer thin squad with the worst striking options since Greg Campbell et el and midfielders with zero creativity.
He was always a cheap unproven option and it’s showing.

The only thing that’s buying him time is that most supporters can see that he’s not being backed and has to shop in the bargain basement.
That said he did come out with the usual ‘I’m happy with the squad I’ve built’ mantra which would suggest he’s out of his depth.
Il admit I’d still doubt his credentials even if he was at a club who could sign some decent players.

Unfortunately it’s apparent that these are the best players we can afford as a club under the current owners.
That helps John out a bit imo


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest2995 on October 02, 2021, 15:40:29 pm
i think the supporters expectations are way above those of the club .
Our budget is poor and we would do well to finish top 10 .
Even moderate teams pay more than we do .
We rely on picking up cheap deals that we turn around - and then the players leave for more money once given a lifeline .
Make no mistake , the best players in this team will also leave .
The owners do not invest in this club and it shows .


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemaker on October 02, 2021, 15:49:12 pm
i think the supporters expectations are way above those of the club .
Our budget is poor and we would do well to finish top 10 .
Even moderate teams pay more than we do .
We rely on picking up cheap deals that we turn around - and then the players leave for more money once given a lifeline .
Make no mistake , the best players in this team will also leave .
The owners do not invest in this club and it shows .
I think that sums the position up in a nutshell
Is it any wonder we can’t survive in league one?

It’s just so disheartening and a massive credit to the fans who still turn up even though there’s no light at the end of the tunnel.



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: WasRambo on October 02, 2021, 15:50:18 pm
Embarrassing


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Clint on October 02, 2021, 15:53:24 pm
Jon Brady: "How do you feel about the Cobblers' midfield?"
Cobbler: "I think it would be a really good idea!"


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: 1HorshamCobbler on October 02, 2021, 15:54:02 pm
I’m not surprised with us having Kabamba as our main Strike force who hasn’t done it anywhere previously was at do we expect. I’d be intrigued to see what the analysis did to show him as a quality signing. Etete is a young player learning his trade. Rose I think should be ok at this level but clear that he is not performing either. Where is Jon’s ‘Bums off seats football’. I’ve only seen it once this season! It’s going to be a hard season and I fear for Mr Brady


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemaker on October 02, 2021, 15:59:32 pm
I’d get rid of him now.

It’s apparent he’s built a squad with no creativity or attacking threat.
According to posters on here who are attending games he is tactically inept and his substitutions baffling.
Who stays in a job given those failings?

What more is there to say??


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 02, 2021, 16:05:43 pm
Very, very poor. Only got better in the last 10 minutes in that at least we attacked, allbeit with very little quality. We need a plan when we make substitutions, not just throw bodies forward and definitely not Kabamba and Etete together. At least Flores looked bright when he came on and Etete did OK. He must surely play ahead of Kabamba every time, if we're going to keep playing the lump it up from the back style. Hardly the "bums off seats" style Brady promised us. Not a single shot on target in the whole game.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemaker on October 02, 2021, 16:10:48 pm
Maybe John’s ‘bums off seats ‘ quote has been misinterpreted.

They’ll surely be some bums off seats soon given the lack of entertainment. ::) >:(


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Welly Cobb on October 02, 2021, 16:16:13 pm
i think the supporters expectations are way above those of the club .
Our budget is poor and we would do well to finish top 10 .
Even moderate teams pay more than we do .
We rely on picking up cheap deals that we turn around - and then the players leave for more money once given a lifeline .
Make no mistake , the best players in this team will also leave .
The owners do not invest in this club and it shows .
I'd genuinely by interested to know what evidence there is of this? Not neccesarily calling you a liar either, just want to know what your evidence is for making these claims.

It's the easiest thing in the world to suggest that a manger won't last at a club because almost none of them make it past two years... but I can't see any progression, and to be honest some of the results have masked poor performance. Only thing we offered was a good centre-back partnership, and set pieces, and nothing has moved on from them. What's the plan if we did sneak a way up to the next league playing this this, another years of being thumped? It doesn't take us anywhere, and as much as I like the bloke's passion personally, much like Austin and Sammo before him, I think I'm in the Brady out camp as well.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 02, 2021, 16:19:19 pm

Even moderate teams pay more than we do .


I’m sure when Danny Rose joined league 1 he signed on  massively reduced wages from Mansfield.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2021, 16:37:29 pm
The tactics today were some of the worst that I can remember from us. McGowan is one of our best attacking options and that was totally nullified bu playing him at CB. What also totally nullified him is that he isn’t remotely a CB.

McWilliams was beyond hopeless at right back and should have been sent off for two yellows. How he got away with it I’ll never know but he did. They were crucifying us down that half and a half time change was so clearly needed. With Harriman on the bench (laughably by the way given the need for someone who can play CB), he had to come on at half time for Shaun.

The fact we conceded that side 20 odd seconds into the half didn’t go down well for me.

We played pretty crap last week and got a point. Totally we were horrific and this is quickly a concerning drop in performance level.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 02, 2021, 16:42:16 pm
Many more “performances” like that and John will be down the road.
Utterly clueless in every department.

We were crap today but Mitch Pinnock deserves special mention, I can cope with players being s*** But when they don’t try as well it boils my pîss.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: corno_ntfc on October 02, 2021, 16:44:51 pm
No point dissecting todays game

All about a reaction next week.

Agree with the above, Pinnock was the poorest of the lot - surprising as his cameos thus far this season have been promising.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 02, 2021, 16:46:08 pm
The Afghans have got on the plane back to the Taliban after that ….

Probably wondering what the fcuk Bovril is.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 02, 2021, 16:47:47 pm
Probably wondering what the fcuk Bovril is.

;D
I thought the ref did OK considering she could barely see over the top of the grass.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 02, 2021, 16:53:15 pm
They were comfortably the best side I've seen us play this season. Yes we were crap but that in large part was because they were better to a man. They played 5he right balance of long and short halls, they had sharpness and they were good at playing the game (the dark arts).They wanted it more, they played for each other.
After a slow start if they keep that  going they'll be top three, or close.
We'll be mid table at best l, something like I said after the Port Vale game.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 02, 2021, 16:56:12 pm
It’s very difficult to sum up the game in any constructive way. Sutton, with the exception of a couple of players, didn’t impress me either. Which makes it all the more concerning, that they looks streets ahead of us. We still haven’t got one single player who I would consider a beacon of hope.

It was very grim today. Very fcuking grim indeed.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 02, 2021, 16:56:52 pm
And as I've said before, anyone who thinks McWilliams is anything like our best player is deluded. No way will he get the move to a better club that some have him down for.
Sorry Sean.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest168 on October 02, 2021, 16:57:27 pm
sooooooooooo fan backed / community focused clubs don't work ?

L1 - Plymouth 3rd, Wycombe 5th, MK 6th.  Burton 9th, Accrington 10th  
  
Yes I know not all exactly fan owned but certainly small clubs all far above us at the minute.
Plymouth to remind you have owners based in USA, have invested £7m into the club and has turned most of it into equity

L2 - FRG 1st, Harrogate 2nd, Exeter 6th, Barrow 7th, Sutton 11th (4th if win game in hand)

Us 10th and the joint lowest scorers in the whole fffffing league.  (and some will say we have had a bit of luck in some of those games too)

Please don't blame Brady, if he was to go, we would be on KT's 8th manager in 6 years.


 



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: cobbler151 on October 02, 2021, 16:59:30 pm
Massive questions should be asked today after that.
Sutton were nothing special at all, yet we were worse in every department.
Tactically, that was worst performance I've seen since Pages pasting at Posh.

We have manged to find someone in Kabamba who is worse at playing football than Seal.
Why Harriman did not start at RB is baffling.
Zero creativity in middle of the pitch, and yet he still refuses to give Pollock ago when two down at home, is nothing short of infuriating.
No identity.
No game plan.
Complete waste of money.

I have no problem is saying evidently clear that we are going nowhere under Brady. Our position in the table flatters us, that's for sure.







Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest168 on October 02, 2021, 17:00:05 pm
It’s very difficult to sum up the game in any constructive way. Sutton, with the exception of a couple of players, didn’t impress me either. Which makes it all the more concerning, that they looks streets ahead of us. We still haven’t got one single player who I would consider a beacon of hope.

It was very grim today. Very fcuking grim indeed.

WHAT, how can that be???? we have a data, committee based recruitment policy.(that was 5.5 years in the making)  And it was said on the radio on Thursday that this group is really really tight knit and will get us promoted. Someone is telling porkies

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Time for proof please not knee jerk reactions that we have had for the last 6 months


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 02, 2021, 17:01:26 pm
sooooooooooo fan backed / community focused clubs don't work ?

L1 - Plymouth 3rd, Wycombe 5th, MK 6th.  Burton 9th, Accrington 10th  
  
Yes I know not all exactly fan owned but certainly small clubs all far above us at the minute.
Plymouth to remind you have owners based in USA, have invested £7m into the club and has turned most of it into equity

L2 - FRG 1st, Harrogate 2nd, Exeter 6th, Barrow 7th, Sutton 11th (4th if win game in hand)

Us 10th and the joint lowest scorers in the whole fffffing league.  (and some will say we have had a bit of luck in some of those games too)

Please don't blame Brady, if he was to go, we would be on KT's 8th manager in 6 years.


 



Thanks for some shining examples of clubs that are operating totally opposite to what you and the Trusty club want.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 02, 2021, 17:03:47 pm
WHAT, how can that be???? we have a data, committee based recruitment policy.(that was 5.5 years in the making)  And it was said on the radio on Thursday that this group is really really tight knit and will get us promoted. Someone is telling porkies

We had a bad game. One which I doubt you even turned up to. Nothing stops you going to away games, if you disagree with the owners..


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Welly Cobb on October 02, 2021, 17:06:33 pm
Also, were we really looking at Matt Gray as a replacement after Curle? Another hoofball non-league dinosaur.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2021, 17:09:34 pm
Serious? They outfooballed is regularly today. Had two fine wide players a ball playing centre kid who also was able to win the ball back. So everything that we haven’t been able to create.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest168 on October 02, 2021, 17:11:13 pm
We had a bad game. One which I doubt you even turned up to. Nothing stops you going to away games, if you disagree with the owners..
We had a bad game. One which I doubt you even turned up to. Nothing stops you going to away games, if you disagree with the owners..

Yeah we get a lot of those, lets blame the council shall we.

Sorry was working had to listen on the radio and even Tim was saying how surprised he is that the fans aren't angry. Sums up the apathy really doesn't it.

Do you say the same to Cobblerwatch, Melbourne Cobbler, Kelvin Thomas, David Bower, Mike Wailing etc - None of these live in the Country, so don't get to many games either, (sorry CW & Melly for dragging you into this)

Of course you don't. Still you are happy in L2 and below so please refrain from commenting on any games as you obviously doesn't matter to you


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Welly Cobb on October 02, 2021, 17:15:36 pm
Serious? They outfooballed is regularly today. Had two fine wide players a ball playing centre kid who also was able to win the ball back. So everything that we haven’t been able to create.
I don't think they really created anything other than the second. First was just another set piece, and plenty of long aimless hoofs. Just physical, good in the air, and very limited.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest168 on October 02, 2021, 17:16:09 pm
Thanks for some shining examples of clubs that are operating totally opposite to what you and the Trusty club want.  ;D ;D ;D

Wrong again Hammy.  How do you know what the Trust want?

They want owners, whoever they are, to invest in THE FOOTBALL CLUB, to involve as many fans and locals as possible. To be more than the sum of it's parts.  

If you want to invest, awesome, but don't treat it as your investment pension plan, because it shouldn't be. Unless you are looking at asset striping the club and running off to sunnier climes



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2021, 17:18:29 pm
I don't think they really created anything other than the second. First was just another set piece, and plenty of long aimless hoofs. Just physical, good in the air, and very limited.

This is why football for me is so great. We’ve been at the same game and seen it very differently. There’s nothing else in the world where you get this.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 02, 2021, 17:24:00 pm
We were lucky we didn't get a pasting there, Roberts kept the score down. It's shocking to think we didn't even have a shot on target and we are the home team, that's just 9 goals in 10 games, it's no better than last year despite being in a lower league.

We missed Guthrie massively and we are currently seriously short of defenders. We signed the lad from Villa to rectify that situation but we signed him unfit and that signing has Nuttall written all over it. Some people round me were saying we should have played Dyche , but is he really the answer? I don't think so but we will never know if we don't  play him, so give him a game on Tuesday and let's find out.

As for Pollock, after listening to Brady's interview I get the feeling he doesn't rate him, but he did say he will start Tuesday.

For me that game was more inept than any of last seasons performances and it has no redeeming features at all.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3063 on October 02, 2021, 17:25:41 pm
And as I've said before, anyone who thinks McWilliams is anything like our best player is deluded. No way will he get the move to a better club that some have him down for.
Sorry Sean.

I think you mean. Sorry Shaun  ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 02, 2021, 17:31:08 pm
And as I've said before, anyone who thinks McWilliams is anything like our best player is deluded. No way will he get the move to a better club that some have him down for.
Sorry Sean.

He’s clearly not a right back but I think our midfield looks a lot better and less likely to concede with him there, a Sowerby & Lewis central midfield is not the answer to anything!.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 02, 2021, 17:34:18 pm
I think you mean. Sorry Shaun  ;)
That'll be it. Struggle with my own name half the time.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 02, 2021, 17:36:33 pm
He’s clearly not a right back but I think our midfield looks a lot better and less likely to concede with him there, a Sowerby & Lewis central midfield is not the answer to anything!.
I'm afraid we disagree.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 02, 2021, 17:38:51 pm
Just looked at the official site match report, they reckon we had 5 shots on target. Where the hell do they get that from? Both Radio Northampton and The Chron say they had 0 shots on target.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemaker on October 02, 2021, 17:41:04 pm
I spoke with a friend who went to today’s spectacle
He said ‘ basically Sutton united played with the spirit of tim buzaglo and the cobblers played with the spirit of Leon Constantine.

I then pointed out that tim buzaglo played for Woking , he retorted that Leon Constantine played for the cobblers so he was half right.

I said that was a matter of opinion  ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 02, 2021, 17:41:36 pm
Whoosh

Really - explain


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: CobblerForever on October 02, 2021, 17:43:02 pm
We played like a bottom of the league side. Very poor.

Etete has to start. Harriman was okay when he came on. Guthrie badly missed. Goalkeeper may have saved us from a right hammering. Kabamba hopeless. Rose mediocre again. Pinnock was poor all over the pitch. Liam Roberts was the only one worthy of more than 4 out of 10. Hump it up aimlessly is well and truly back.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemender on October 02, 2021, 17:43:41 pm
I don't think they really created anything other than the second.First was just another set piece, and plenty of long aimless hoof. Just physical, good in the air, and very limited.

Don't know about that, if it hadn't been for Robert's it could easily have been 4 or 5. Second best all over the pitch, defence poor, midfield poor, attack woeful and as for Kabamba, he looked like a competition winner. Missed Guthrie big time but shouldn't have to rely on 1 player. Should have changed it at half time but leaves it too long as usual.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 02, 2021, 17:50:08 pm

As for Pollock, after listening to Brady's interview I get the feeling he doesn't rate him, but he did say he will start Tuesday.


Instead we pretty much play the same attacking players week in week out and only score through set pieces.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 02, 2021, 17:57:10 pm
My goodness, what an awful performance. I actually thought Sowerby and Lewis linked up ok in the first half but no one around them was doing
anything useful to take advantage, and even that dried up in the second half.

Pinnock did remarkably well to see out the ninety as I don't think I've ever seen an individual performance that bad that didn't end up in being subbed; dreadful in possession, ineffective in defence and looked like he was running through treacle when off the ball.

We massively miss the pairing of Guthrie and Horsfall when either of them are out. As a partnership they are rock solid and we concede very little. We're also likely to nick something from a set piece with the twin threat they offer at the other end of the pitch. When only one of them are available we go to pot and each of them only look like half the player without the other beside them.

P.s. can we try not to turn the match threads into another propaganda campaign?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 02, 2021, 18:06:01 pm
You could not say it was a bad performance because it was atrocious, I have seen some bad games over the past few seasons but nothing to compare to that. Guthrie was badly missed but I could not understand starting with McWilliams at right back when you have a ready made replacement in Harriman who could also have slotted in to central defence and left McGowan at right back.
Revan has been here about 5 weeks and was reported to have played 80 minutes in midweek yet he never even made the bench, a strange signing when will he be fit? What was the matter with Connolly today?
We reverted to a long ball game and when we did win the first ball we rarely won the second. I lost count of the number of misplaced passes and we regularly were caught in possession. No shots on target from a totally abject performance and but for Roberts the defeat could have been heavier. We made Sutton look like Barcelona.
It looks like we will have to do without Guthrie at Hartlepool next week if he has covid and now also Rose will be suspended for picking up so many stupid yellow cards.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemender on October 02, 2021, 18:10:15 pm
My goodness, what an awful performance. I actually thought Sowerby and Lewis linked up ok in the first half but no one around them was doing
anything useful to take advantage, and even that dried up in the second half.

Pinnock did remarkably well to see out the ninety as I don't think I've ever seen an individual performance that bad that didn't end up in being subbed; dreadful in possession, ineffective in defence and looked like he was running through treacle when off the ball.

We massively miss the pairing of Guthrie and Horsfall when either of them are out. As a partnership they are rock solid and we concede very little. We're also likely to nick something from a set piece with the twin threat they offer at the other end of the pitch. When only one of them are available we go to pot and each of them only look like half the player without the other beside them.

P.s. can we try not to turn the match threads into another propaganda campaign?


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Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 02, 2021, 18:12:04 pm
Just looked at the official site match report, they reckon we had 5 shots on target. Where the hell do they get that from? Both Radio Northampton and The Chron say they had 0 shots on target.
Probably all blocked shots (from Hoskins?) that someone has deemed to have been on target if it even remotely close.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Winslow Lee on October 02, 2021, 18:13:58 pm
Rose will be suspended for picking up so many stupid yellow cards.
No loss


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Shoemender on October 02, 2021, 18:17:48 pm
No loss

Have to agree. He wins quite few headers but they never go to anyone.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 02, 2021, 18:23:35 pm
Yeah we get a lot of those, lets blame the council shall we.

Sorry was working had to listen on the radio and even Tim was saying how surprised he is that the fans aren't angry. Sums up the apathy really doesn't it.

Do you say the same to Cobblerwatch, Melbourne Cobbler, Kelvin Thomas, David Bower, Mike Wailing etc - None of these live in the Country, so don't get to many games either, (sorry CW & Melly for dragging you into this)

Of course you don't. Still you are happy in L2 and below so please refrain from commenting on any games as you obviously doesn't matter to you

“Working” 😂😂. You’ve hardly been in ages. Since Candy kjicked ya sorry @rse…

Stop trying to assert first rights to being pi$$ed off. You’re way back in the queue on that one. Unlike you, I watch this shyte week in week out. Try that for 50+ years. Then I might listen to you 😁😁


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3063 on October 02, 2021, 18:28:32 pm
I hope the lacklustre performance today isn't down to Covid? With Guthrie down with it and possibly Connolly. It did seem a very low energy performance from a lot of the players.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 02, 2021, 18:34:32 pm
Hard to give an opinion when so many others have summed up that performance pretty succinctly. In fact Grumpy Old Man comments earlier did pretty well in his summing up. But for Roberts it would have been 4 or 5 nil. Horsfall had poor game but he was not alone as Pinnock was clueless. For me Sowerby did a few good things but faded. As for Kabamba - words fail me. He did get some service but when he did the ball was taken off him. Yet one commentator was saying he did ok but got no service; said Commentator went onto say he (Kabamba) was haranguing the defense for decent service. When he did get it he lost it anyway. At no time could I understand his positional play - in the wrong place virtually the whole game. Lewis was anonymous but that's his game! I think JB team selection was weird, no Harriman or Ete and the changes made too late; should have been actioned at half time. 10 games in with a performance that matched any of Keiths woeful results against Burton and Rochdale. Warning signs indeed.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on October 02, 2021, 18:37:48 pm
Atrocious performance bar Roberts...

Sutton schooled us all over the park...4 or 5 wouldn't have flatterred them...

Never thought I'd prefer to see Seal start over another striker, but Kabamba today proved me wrong.
Yet again, we somehow manage to sign another non scoring striker on a 2 year deal!

Poor starting line up. No subs made at half time. Let's hope it's a one off.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 02, 2021, 18:46:15 pm
Atrocious performance bar Roberts...

Sutton schooled us all over the park...4 or 5 wouldn't have flatterred them...

Never thought I'd prefer to see Seal start over another striker, but Kabamba today proved me wrong.
Yet again, we somehow manage to sign another non scoring striker on a 2 year deal!

Poor starting line up. No subs made at half time. Let's hope it's a one off.


Brief and to the point and very much in line from what I saw!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3063 on October 02, 2021, 19:01:20 pm
Atrocious performance bar Roberts...

Sutton schooled us all over the park...4 or 5 wouldn't have flatterred them...

Never thought I'd prefer to see Seal start over another striker, but Kabamba today proved me wrong.
Yet again, we somehow manage to sign another non scoring striker on a 2 year deal!

Poor starting line up. No subs made at half time. Let's hope it's a one off.

Strikers are only non scoring when they're with us apart from the odd exception like McGleish, Richards and Bayo of more recent times. However, strikers are only as good as the service they get. The worry with Kabamba is that he doesn't read the game or look capable of finishing, even in the practice before the game  ::)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 02, 2021, 19:04:02 pm
;D
I thought the ref did OK considering she could barely see over the top of the grass.

Wrong game for the ref; at times she lost it.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 02, 2021, 19:12:24 pm
I don't think they really created anything other than the second. First was just another set piece, and plenty of long aimless hoofs. Just physical, good in the air, and very limited.

Another accurate view point. Goody for me am agreeing with most today even RagDoll and MC.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3086 on October 02, 2021, 19:17:48 pm
Anybody that points a finger at Bob is labelled a renegade but please, be aware, I ain't having a pop. I have said it before but until he is no longer a first choice on the team sheet we are going nowhere. His contract ends this season but I wouldn't be surprised if they gave him an extension. He has no quality (despite effort) and if that is rewarded it speaks volumes. If he is first choice where does that leave room for talent?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 02, 2021, 19:29:54 pm
Wrong game for the ref; at times she lost it.

When? - apart from the height difference I thought she controlled the game well - I thought r
the free kick that eventually led to their first goal was wrong (but actually given by the lino) and I think McWilliams was very lucky not to get a second yellow - so perhaps you could illuminate me as to where she lost it?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Risdene on October 02, 2021, 19:31:20 pm
If Harriman or Dyche were bought in for Guthrie then McGowan could have stayed at RB and McWilliams could of stayed as our combative midfielder.

Pollock is capable of creating and joining the attackers and should play on Saturday, as well as Tuesday.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Jim Hall Fixit on October 02, 2021, 19:32:47 pm
Ok, let’s all settle down and take a large deep breath of realism.

Most of us agreed at the start of the season we were looking like a mid table div 4 team that, with a lot of luck could press for play off or a bad run or 2 could be fighting relegation.
Our new improved goalie and excellent CB pairing gave us a bit of false hope but then the reality kicks in - we’re sod average - hence 10th place after 10 games and 0 GD.

I’ve seen us lose 3 times this year - Rochdale, FGR and Sutton. In all cases we were beaten by a better side with better players. Forget tactics, substitutions and formations, our players were not as good as theirs! Not as fit, not as skilful and not as quick.
I do still believe we will win as many as we lose (assuming Mssrs Guthrie, Horsfall and Roberts stay fit) and we’ll probably finish somewhere in the middle 1/3rd - 9th to 16th.

My hope is, and remains, that the Brady Bunch can start to build something here but it ain’t gunna be no quick thing!



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: tcobb on October 02, 2021, 19:40:38 pm
Strange game today, Sutton are ok, not the best but we did make it very easy for them. Brady has to look at his team selections and formations, today it just didnt work, wrong players in the wrong positions, awful way of playing football, i didnt expect promotion this season, but Brady promised exciting football, time for him to start delivering on his promise, i thought the players that he brought in to play his exciting football would be showing signs of doing so by now, lack of an attacking forward line is purely down to him.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 02, 2021, 19:56:17 pm
When? - apart from the height difference I thought she controlled the game well - I thought r
the free kick that eventually led to their first goal was wrong (but actually given by the lino) and I think McWilliams was very lucky not to get a second yellow - so perhaps you could illuminate me as to where she lost it?

Will do but repainting car alloys at mo'. Before I do I need to know if you were at the game. Not a criticism at all.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Bertie on October 02, 2021, 20:28:46 pm
Not much more to say that hasn't been said. Dreadful performance. Sorry lads, but Kabamba a passenger, and Lewis just not involved. Surely we had better options than Shawn at RB - who was needed to give some steel to midfield, and was a liability after an early booking.                                                                              Good job Sutton didn't cotton on to our lack of aerial strength at the back (Horsfall apart) or it could have been a cricket score.                                        We need to see whether Pollock is up to it in midfield, after todays display from Sowerby, Flores and Lewis - I think it's worth the risk.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3086 on October 02, 2021, 21:05:40 pm
'repainting car alloys'

Never heard it called that before...


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 02, 2021, 21:08:38 pm
Never heard it called that before...
He hasn't yet said what he thinks Rebecca lost earlier either.
Thankfully.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 02, 2021, 22:07:29 pm
Does anyone know why Connoly wasn't in the squad? There was no mention of him being injured or having covid on the official site or in the Chron. Surely he wasn't left out completely,  we could have done with some pace today. Whether it would have made any difference though is another matter.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 02, 2021, 23:20:19 pm
Will do but repainting car alloys at mo'. Before I do I need to know if you were at the game. Not a criticism at all.

Too lax with players stealing (throw ins) yd’s even after they were told to go back. Didn’t play advantage particularly 2nd half. Also in the 2nd half I thought there were moments where she might have lost control; an example of this was the curious incident with Kioki when he refused to hand the ball over to allow the game to be restarted. I would have booked Kioki for that. Too lenient with McW who should have been booked 2nd yellow. What made her more than acceptable at this level was her overall consistency in difficult situations; this affected both teams so fair does! Happy to see her again. Also she needs to be tougher on time wasting! It happens a lot, some referees are getting tougher on this.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 03, 2021, 07:03:23 am
Due to my lack of education and therefore limited vocabulary, I find myself unable to elaborate further on what has already been eloquently expressed regarding that utter pile of shite.

I always take notice of those who are more educated, those able to articulate clearly without the need of repetitive vulgar language as they often hold a high moral and social compass, such as Stuart Hall the presenter.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 03, 2021, 07:10:30 am
Due to my lack of education and therefore limited vocabulary, I find myself unable to elaborate further on what has already been eloquently expressed regarding that utter pile of shite.

I always take notice of those who are more educated, those able to articulate clearly without the need of repetitive vulgar language as they often hold a high moral and social compass, such as Stuart Hall the presenter.

Don't be so hard on yourself. I consider myself reasonably well educated and have an extensive vocabulary but I still swear like a mother **** docker, partly because I like it but also because studies have shown swearing has a positive impact on stress levels.

But mainly because I'm a **** foul-mouthed **** ****.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: cobbler151 on October 03, 2021, 07:24:52 am
When? - apart from the height difference I thought she controlled the game well - I thought r
the free kick that eventually led to their first goal was wrong (but actually given by the lino) and I think McWilliams was very lucky not to get a second yellow - so perhaps you could illuminate me as to where she lost it?

+1

I


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: FezNTFC on October 03, 2021, 07:41:54 am
A rare example of virtually all the comments on here being universal!

In all the previous games I've seen we've been difficult to beat and had a great team spirit even with our creative flaws, but yesterday we demonstrated nothing of even the positive things I'd seen in our matches. I think we can all appreciate that a team can have the odd bad day, but there were just so many avoidable things yesterday from a tactical perspective that just made it far too easy for Sutton.

As mentioned by almost everyone, why was Harriman not picked? When I saw the starting line-up I could only assume that we'd gone for three at the back (McGowan, Horsfall, Koiki) because the idea of not playing a ready made right back and shifting someone out of position to play there just seems utterly bonkers. I just cannot understand managers that play players out of position and it's always been a slippery slope when they start doing that as I don't think it inspires confidence in either supporters or the players for that matter. It also sends a terrible message to the player who's been overlooked.

Secondly, Sutton were a big physical side and the direct football we were playing against them was not working. At half-time I wanted to see some proactive changes from the management team to try something new. It was abundantly clear that we were not going to score using hoofball up to Rose and Kabamba because we barely won a header all half. Instead, no changes in formation and more importantly personnel. We then concede straight away and still wait 10-15 minutes before making any changes, but the substitutions don't even change the style of play - we end up going even more direct!

Mostly though, I'm just tired of being bored watching us at Sixfields. I used to side with the 'results at all costs' argument but honestly, as soon as you don't have a season ticket for one year and start doing other social stuff on a Saturday you really start to value the entertainment side more of things when you come back to watch them, and we've been pretty starved of that for a few years now.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Carton Lid on October 03, 2021, 09:55:19 am
As soon as I was told that they hadn't won a Football League away match and that Guthrie was out my confidence dropped. But I didn't think we would be that bad ! How many times have we heard, and seen, that Harriman can play anywhere across the back four, so why didn't we just put him in Guthrie's place instead of moving 2 other players out of their natural positions ? Plus, Sutton being a very big team, McGowan was up against a guy about 6 inches taller and didn't win anything in the air.
    Re the ref, I thought she was as bad as most of the refs this year, Sutton played her like a fiddle, getting in her face on every decision and she buckled. Their number 26 committed 3 or 4 fouls in the first 20 minutes, she spoke to him but didn't book him, McWilliams gets booked for his first foul and Rose gets booked for slipping over when he clearly played the ball. We are so un streetwise since Charlie Goode left and it costs us regularly.
   Finally a word about Sutton as a club, what a p*ss poor turnout, their first season in the League, so new grounds for all, and they bring just over 200 to their 4th nearest game, that's really poor. 


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 03, 2021, 10:28:31 am
When? - apart from the height difference I thought she controlled the game well - I thought r
the free kick that eventually led to their first goal was wrong (but actually given by the lino) and I think McWilliams was very lucky not to get a second yellow - so perhaps you could illuminate me as to where she lost it?

Also take a look at Cartons opinion on the ref pretty accurate I would say? The point is, is that if you were not there then you have may missed  the ‘black arts’ going on? Again please clarify if you were physically at the game? It helps to fully justify opinions?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 03, 2021, 10:30:54 am
Too lax with players stealing (throw ins) yd’s even after they were told to go back. Didn’t play advantage particularly 2nd half. Also in the 2nd half I thought there were moments where she might have lost control; an example of this was the curious incident with Kioki when he refused to hand the ball over to allow the game to be restarted. I would have booked Kioki for that. Too lenient with McW who should have been booked 2nd yellow. What made her more than acceptable at this level was her overall consistency in difficult situations; this affected both teams so fair does! Happy to see her again. Also she needs to be tougher on time wasting! It happens a lot, some referees are getting tougher on this.


All reasonable points but as you and indeed Carlton just summarised no worse or better than most refs at this level so I certainly didn’t think there was any point where she nearly lost it - the Kioki incident you describe seemed to me being her indicated he had to briefly go off for some treatment (possibly visible blood) and there was some confusion on communication - not a booking for me but definitely agree McWiliams was a lucky boy.

Getting back for every weekend game still tricky so only an Ifollow view which had disadvantages (lack of full pitch perspective & some of the gamesmanship that goes on) but also some considerable advantage over live in the stadium as close up on all on the ball incidents and of course replays - (which frequently help to correct toggle Tim’s passionate but regular incorrect observations!). Interesting also the Rose booking - live I thought was very harsh and like many thought he might even have been fouled in losing the ball - however. looking at the replay, he lost the ball fairly and then at full stretch played the man not the ball - a good attacking position for Sutton and definitely a booking.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 03, 2021, 10:47:38 am
As mentioned by almost everyone, why was Harriman not picked? When I saw the starting line-up I could only assume that we'd gone for three at the back (McGowan, Horsfall, Koiki) because the idea of not playing a ready made right back and shifting someone out of position to play there just seems utterly bonkers. I just cannot understand managers that play players out of position and it's always been a slippery slope when they start doing that as I don't think it inspires confidence in either supporters or the players for that matter. It also sends a terrible message to the player who's been overlooked.

Completely agree on this point - I would love to understand JB & CC’s rationale for this decision.
I also think Shaun’s volatile style of play puts him more at risk as full back rather than central midfield
Finally I don’t like picking out players but currently for me, despite putting in a good shift and getting variable service Kabamba is not going to solve our goal scoring difficulties.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2021, 11:04:45 am
As soon as I was told that they hadn't won a Football League away match and that Guthrie was out my confidence dropped. But I didn't think we would be that bad ! How many times have we heard, and seen, that Harriman can play anywhere across the back four, so why didn't we just put him in Guthrie's place instead of moving 2 other players out of their natural positions ? Plus, Sutton being a very big team, McGowan was up against a guy about 6 inches taller and didn't win anything in the air.
    Re the ref, I thought she was as bad as most of the refs this year, Sutton played her like a fiddle, getting in her face on every decision and she buckled. Their number 26 committed 3 or 4 fouls in the first 20 minutes, she spoke to him but didn't book him, McWilliams gets booked for his first foul and Rose gets booked for slipping over when he clearly played the ball. We are so un streetwise since Charlie Goode left and it costs us regularly.
   Finally a word about Sutton as a club, what a p*ss poor turnout, their first season in the League, so new grounds for all, and they bring just over 200 to their 4th nearest game, that's really poor. 

Small club.
Terrible weather.
Fuel crisis.

Wasn’t that bad a turn out.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest2995 on October 03, 2021, 11:12:18 am
I'd genuinely by interested to know what evidence there is of this? Not neccesarily calling you a liar either, just want to know what your evidence is for making these claims.

It's the easiest thing in the world to suggest that a manger won't last at a club because almost none of them make it past two years... but I can't see any progression, and to be honest some of the results have masked poor performance. Only thing we offered was a good centre-back partnership, and set pieces, and nothing has moved on from them. What's the plan if we did sneak a way up to the next league playing this this, another years of being thumped? It doesn't take us anywhere, and as much as I like the bloke's passion personally, much like Austin and Sammo before him, I think I'm in the Brady out camp as well.

our budget is £1.4 million .
Look it up for yourself .
There are probably 6 Conference sides with bigger budgets than us.
We have to rely on bargain basement buys and then when players prove themselves, other  clubs know we underpay and subsequently pick off our players .
Any injuries or covid situations then hit us hard because of a threadbare squad.
Having said that , i don’t know why Harriman didn’t play or why we have brought a player in from Villa that clearly isn’t rated - he must be cheap.
We have a team of bang average players and those that are a bit better will be picked off .


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Carton Lid on October 03, 2021, 11:23:31 am
Small club.
Terrible weather.
Fuel crisis.

Wasn’t that bad a turn out.
   Small Club - True
   Terrible weather - Very limited influence on numbers, when have you looked at the weather, after deciding to go to an away game, and thought "No I don't think I'll bother". If it had been sunny, how many more would have came, 10 ? certainly not 100.
   Fuel Crisis - As far as I'm aware, all the coach & rail companies have not been affected, so maybe a couple of car loads gave it a miss.

    I stand by what I said, a very poor turnout.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 03, 2021, 11:32:21 am
I think the stats so far paint a pretty accurate of our season so far:-
8 games with the Guthrie/Horsfall partnership 4 goals conceded, 2 games with 1 of them missing 5 goals conceded. Both of these were home games when you would think the defence would come under less pressure. When Nelson got his long term injury what a strange decision to bring in an unfit replacement who has still not put in an appearance since joining us in late August surely we could have found a player ready to immediately step in. With Guthrie missing at Hartlepool this does not bode well as they are unbeaten at home with 13 points from 5 games although they have not won any of their last 4 games and lost at Stevenage yesterday.
2 goals in 10 league games from our 4 strikers (1 each for Benny and Rose) and few goals from open play says that we still have the lack of creativity we had last season. In the pre-season it was stated we needed 2 decent strikers and that is still the case. I think Etete has to start next week probably as a loan striker with 3 supporting players behind him and 1 of those should be Pollock who could do no worse than those who played yesterday. He had a good cameo performance when he came on in the West Ham pre-season game and Iin the Coventry game was impressive when moved into a more central role after starting on the left.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 03, 2021, 11:38:59 am
Almost 24 hours after the game I am still totally mystified by that performance, I just never saw it coming. Did we really miss Guthrie that much? should the absence of one player make that much difference? It seems that it did. If that is the case then it doesn't say much for our player recruitment over the summer as we now have a serious lack of defenders, and in particular centre backs (yes I know we have Dyche but is he really ready? and even if he is would yesterday have been the right game to blood him in?) I accept they couldn't have predicted Nelson would get a season ending injury but centre backs are frequently injured or suspended due to the nature of their position so surely we should have signed another CB rather than all those forwards or midfielders. Don't get me started on the Revan situation, he is only here until January and he hasn't even made the squad yet. JB said a week or two ago that he anticipates playing him against Walsall on Tuesday so it will be interesting to see if he turns up.

I must admit that before the game I was sitting at home , warm and comfy, and thinking do I really want to go to this game, it's peeing down, it's windy and for my 74 year old bones it's cold but as a season ticket holder I told myself to get a grip and get up there, after all it should be an easy three points shouldn't it ?. Nothing could have been further from the truth, they were streets ahead of us, and they were no great shakes either, certainly not in Swindon's class as evidenced in the previous home game. Only Roberts comes out of the game with any credit and even he admitted he could have been better.

Like most on here I was completely baffled why Harriman wasn't drafted in at centre back, playing McGowan there robbed us of a good attacking right back and left us exposed in the middle - he is simply not tall enough for a centre back. I thought McWilliams would do ok at right back but I was wrong , he had a mare and once again as others have said was lucky not to get a red card.

As for the midfielders and strikers, apart from flashes from Rose who missed a good chance to put us 1 - 0 up they were rubbish. I honestly believe that if we were still playing now we still wouldn't have scored, and even if we had managed to have a pot at goal we would still have had to beat Bouzanis, who I can assure you is an excellent keeper. As for Kabamba I reckon I could have done as well as him, why on earth wasn't Etete playing ?

I am hoping this was a one off and we will bounce back at Hartlepool (I couldn't give a monkey's about Tuesday's game) , but from memory our record there is not very good, even Wilder's title winners only drew 0-0.

There is another theory though, and that is, that it was my fault! I always drive to my brother in law's house in Duston and leave the car there and walk (I didn't walk yesterday), and just before leaving I always take a grape from the collection he has on display. Now normally they are all green ones but yesterday he had some green and some red ones and it put me in a right old spin - green or red? - well I chose green as I always have green and then Sutton turn up in green shirts and of course we play in red so sorry guys. Mind you I spent the whole of the first half thinking they were playing in blue - unless they changed colours at half time of course !!!

One bonus yesterday though was that the car park was free as there was no one on duty to collect the money - maybe it was too wet for them? And finally why are we housing the away fans in the corner of the East Stand when the South Stand is the dedicated away area?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 03, 2021, 12:21:36 pm
Also she needs to be tougher on time wasting! It happens a lot, some referees are getting tougher on this.

Maybe, but not many and not enough in my opinion. I'm not saying this because of yesterday. Sutton did it, but so do we and just about all teams, when they're winning. I just think there needs to much stricter action on time-wasting, diving, feigning injury, pinching taking throw-ins from as much as 15 yards from where the ball went out, etc. Of course, it really doesn't help when the likes of Luke Graham on ifollow commentary are applauding this behaviour  and calling it good game management. Maybe I'm old-fashioned but to me it's always been ( and always will be) cheating.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: West Stand on October 03, 2021, 12:22:15 pm
Also take a look at Cartons opinion on the ref pretty accurate I would say? The point is, is that if you were not there then you have may missed  the ‘black arts’ going on? Again please clarify if you were physically at the game? It helps to fully justify opinions?


I was there, the ref was fine. People need to stop moaning about the ref. It"s boring


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3063 on October 03, 2021, 12:26:51 pm
The only possible reason Brady went for McGowan at centre back ahead of Harriman is the fact Sutton had two big and strong strikers and JB thought McGowan would be better at dealing with their physical approach than Harriman, which is possibly true.

There is still no excuse for not playing Harriman (at right back) with Shaun in his normal midfield role. I certainly think Harriman now knows where he stands with our current manager, as does Scott Pollock for that matter.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: the grumpy old man on October 03, 2021, 12:28:22 pm


I was there, the ref was fine. People need to stop moaning about the ref. It"s boring

I agree I thought she was OK. Normally I would moan about only 3 minutes added time when we are losing but yesterday I was just glad to hear the final whistle.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: CobblerForever on October 03, 2021, 12:37:05 pm
I see that Max Dyche was "not available" for Kettering in the Cup yesterday (though he played the full 90 minutes in their previous league game) and therefore presumably will still not be available for the replay this Tuesday when we play in the FL Trophy. Any chance of drafting him in for the Walsall game? Has to be worth a try surely. Just imagine Dyche and Pollock having decent games and what that might mean for the rest of our season.

FWIW when I've seen Pollock I've thought young but looks a footballer. He could replace the older doesn't play like a footballer up front position.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Ragdoll Cobbler on October 03, 2021, 12:43:49 pm
I see that Max Dyche was "not available" for Kettering in the Cup yesterday (though he played the full 90 minutes in their previous league game) and therefore presumably will still not be available for the replay this Tuesday when we play in the FL Trophy. Any chance of drafting him in for the Walsall game? Has to be worth a try surely. Just imagine Dyche and Pollock having decent games and what that might mean for the rest of our season.

FWIW when I've seen Pollock I've thought young but looks a footballer. He could replace the older doesn't play like a footballer up front position.

Agree must start him on Tuesday...

http://www.ketteringtownfc.com/news/max-dyche (http://www.ketteringtownfc.com/news/max-dyche)

As reported yesterday, defender Max Dyche has been recalled by Northampton Town from his loan period with the Poppies. Max made 7 impressive performances this season and we wish him all the very best back with the Cobblers.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3063 on October 03, 2021, 12:45:23 pm
I see that Max Dyche was "not available" for Kettering in the Cup yesterday (though he played the full 90 minutes in their previous league game) and therefore presumably will still not be available for the replay this Tuesday when we play in the FL Trophy. Any chance of drafting him in for the Walsall game? Has to be worth a try surely. Just imagine Dyche and Pollock having decent games and what that might mean for the rest of our season.

FWIW when I've seen Pollock I've thought young but looks a footballer. He could replace the older doesn't play like a footballer up front position.

Max Dyche was on the bench for us yesterday after the completion of his loan spell at Kettering. So, yes he will be available for our game on Tuesday providing JB wants to play him.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 03, 2021, 12:59:41 pm
Small club.
Terrible weather.
Fuel crisis.

Wasn’t that bad a turn out.
Small club, granted that area is hardcore Palace.
Sh1t weather, and fuel crisis, easy. Direct train to London Bridge, switch to any Charing Cross train (very frequent) and at CC, get on the Northern line to Euston.At Northampton approach the taxi rank. Job done.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2021, 13:10:22 pm
Just had a look at total away attendances at grounds in league two. Ours is the lowest visited stadium according to this site. Whether you like it or not, we aren’t an appealing ground to visit.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-two/attendances/away


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 03, 2021, 13:10:31 pm
Not much to add. We were God dam awful!

100% the final nail in the coffin performance that would end an under pressure managers reign..

Fortunately for Brady and ourselves, Brady isn't under any pressure at the minute.

Strange line up, strange tactics, strange subs. Players didn't seem to 'try'. Or being kinder, they simply were not up for it. Pinnock has had a lot of negative comments attributed towards him, I though have a real issue with Lewis. I just cannot see what he brings to the party. 10 games in, other than scoring a goal at Salford, I cant recall a telling contribution, how he keeps getting picked is beyond me?!

I tweeted after the 3rd sub was made, that Pollock may as well hand in a transfer request. He's wasting his time with us. 24 hours later, I stand by that. If he cant make it on the pitch yesterday, when can he? Yeah he will start on Tuesday. He started against FGR in the same competition and scored a good goal...yet since then, he's not had a minute of action. What precisely can he do to force Brady's hand? When Tim asked him about Pollock, he basically said we'd signed good midfielders in the summer. Well I haven't seen any of them!!

Still grumpy after that. I try to be positive these days when it comes to the football, avoid the politics etc. Difficult after yesterday. There wasn't a glimmer of positivity that came out of yesterday, and the apathy in the ground was really telling as well. No one seemed to give a sh1t. I left with 5 minutes left, so avoided the traffic carnage. So I guess that was something positive.

Rubbish. Utter utter rubbish!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: CobblerForever on October 03, 2021, 13:12:37 pm
Teachers Pet & Ragdoll,

Thanks for the information. Was too busy getting to my seat yesterday to hear the announcements.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: West Stand on October 03, 2021, 13:32:38 pm
Just had a look at total away attendances at grounds in league two. Ours is the lowest visited stadium according to this site. Whether you like it or not, we aren’t an appealing ground to visit.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-two/attendances/away
It's say 'average away attendance.' It's the average attendance for our away games. We have played some poorly supported teams away from home. Oldham are top as the played Bradford away with over 17k there, had a local derby away at Rochdale, and played Orient away.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 03, 2021, 13:47:03 pm


I was there, the ref was fine. People need to stop moaning about the ref. It"s boring

She was average but consistent thru’ out. Have no qualms about female refs at Sixfields. I was asked to justify my opinion which I did. Of course fair minded criticism can be interpreted as a moan, if you are ‘bloody minded’ inclined. As a final criticism Ms Rebecca needs to be firm with those who continually practice the black arts. Their number 26 was guilty on a few occasions. Saw it - as was there ::)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 03, 2021, 14:41:48 pm
She was average but consistent thru’ out. Have no qualms about female refs at Sixfields. I was asked to justify my opinion which I did. Of course fair minded criticism can be interpreted as a moan, if you are ‘bloody minded’ inclined. As a final criticism Ms Rebecca needs to be firm with those who continually practice the black arts. Their number 26 was guilty on a few occasions. Saw it - as was there ::)

Evers - not a big deal but I think it was your comment “wrong game for the ref - at times she lost it” that came across as a little condescending to a woman but I’m sure not intentional and as we all agree we will definitely see worse refs in the course of the season.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 03, 2021, 14:49:28 pm
Just read JB’s comments on not playing Scott Pollock - basically saying it’s his opinion and his decision- as boss certainly his prerogative but didn’t come across very well - certainly I though the team lineup and substitutions were shocking yesterday and not giving a young man with both skill and the energy of youth a chance in such a woeful performance by others reflects badly on both him and CC. The proven method of playing the old guard (or players you have signed) might not get you relegated but it neither entertains or is likely to get you promoted


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 03, 2021, 16:40:25 pm
Evers - not a big deal but I think it was your comment “wrong game for the ref - at times she lost it” that came across as a little condescending to a woman but I’m sure not intentional and as we all agree we will definitely see worse refs in the course of the season.

Having seen Sutton play in hindsight it was IMO not a good game for her to ref? I am entitled to my opinion  and not bothered if it is a female, male or even trans ref. How you gauge people’s opinion on here is up to you. For my part you come across as a political animal seeking brownie points on PC issues?  Could do with Rebecca at a few difficult away games!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 03, 2021, 17:30:27 pm
I really don't know why Evers is making an issue of the ref's performance. I thought she did fine.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: The Hask on October 03, 2021, 18:09:07 pm
   Small Club - True
   Terrible weather - Very limited influence on numbers, when have you looked at the weather, after deciding to go to an away game, and thought "No I don't think I'll bother". If it had been sunny, how many more would have came, 10 ? certainly not 100.
   Fuel Crisis - As far as I'm aware, all the coach & rail companies have not been affected, so maybe a couple of car loads gave it a miss.


    I stand by what I said, a very poor turnout.

Does the Saints playing at home affect our crowd, I know a few supporters who will always go to the Saints when home but only go to cobblers when Saints are not at home.

Just a thought  - I am sure someones has done some mathematical correlations


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 03, 2021, 19:04:19 pm
Looks like McWilliams will be the next to be suspended as he now has 4 yellows despite not being in the starting 11 for some of the games and being subbed in others. Little chance of him avoiding another yellow in the next 9 league games.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 03, 2021, 19:27:16 pm
Having seen Sutton play in hindsight it was IMO not a good game for her to ref? I am entitled to my opinion  and not bothered if it is a female, male or even trans ref. How you gauge people’s opinion on here is up to you. For my part you come across as a political animal seeking brownie points on PC issues?  Could do with Rebecca at a few difficult away games!

So in your opinion, what would be a good game for her to ref?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 03, 2021, 19:54:05 pm
So in your opinion, what would be a good game for her to ref?
A women’s football match, I didn’t like the fact that she got surrounded by players every time, they were definitely trying to intimidate her.
I didn’t think she had a bad game but for me men should ref men’s games and and the same for women’s football.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Welly Cobb on October 03, 2021, 19:56:29 pm
our budget is £1.4 million .
Look it up for yourself .
Well, this is what I mean? Where can I look that up? Last account I can see show the staffing costs are £3,966,369, though that obviously includes management and ground staff.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 03, 2021, 19:56:45 pm
A women’s football match, I didn’t like the fact that she got surrounded by players every time, they were definitely trying to intimidate her.
I didn’t think she had a bad game but for me men should ref men’s games and and the same for women’s football.

I don't have a problem with that thought or opinion, but I don't believe that Evers was using a similar argument?  ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 03, 2021, 20:10:37 pm
A women’s football match, I didn’t like the fact that she got surrounded by players every time, they were definitely trying to intimidate her.
I didn’t think she had a bad game but for me men should ref men’s games and and the same for women’s football.

Maybe football, the game that brings us all together, is the game that eventually closes the door to old school thinking,  men v women, men being the physical dominant force?

I totally get what you are saying. But society will change for the better if both men and women equally respected each other. Football will probably be the door opener for that, it has been for so much else.

Therefore women refs is a good thing in the mens game imo. There is no reason why they shouldn't progress equally to men. The same goes in the womens game, lots of male managers etc, don't see the problem personally!

As for the ref yesterday. Much of a muchness. She was alright, we probably benefitted more from her decisions than Sutton did (McWiliams was very lucky). But one things for sure...she will be better than the d1ck we've got lined up for Tuesdays game!  ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 03, 2021, 20:44:59 pm
Having seen Sutton play in hindsight it was IMO not a good game for her to ref? I am entitled to my opinion  and not bothered if it is a female, male or even trans ref. How you gauge people’s opinion on here is up to you. For my part you come across as a political animal seeking brownie points on PC issues?  Could do with Rebecca at a few difficult away games!

You really don’t get it do you - so I’ll ask the question again - why wasn’t it a good game for her to ref - but I’m afraid it’s a bit of a have you stopped beating your wife question


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3086 on October 03, 2021, 20:57:29 pm
Maybe football, the game that brings us all together, is the game that eventually closes the door to old school thinking,  men v women, men being the physical dominant force?

I totally get what you are saying. But society will change for the better if both men and women equally respected each other. Football will probably be the door opener for that, it has been for so much else.

Therefore women refs is a good thing in the mens game imo. There is no reason why they shouldn't progress equally to men. The same goes in the womens game, lots of male managers etc, don't see the problem personally!

As for the ref yesterday. Much of a muchness. She was alright, we probably benefitted more from her decisions than Sutton did (McWiliams was very lucky). But one things for sure...she will be better than the d1ck we've got lined up for Tuesdays game!  ;D


Football is most definitely not the catalyst that equalises the gender anomaly. The game is ridden with bias and misogyny, just look at the average football fan on this forum with their 19th/20th century sexist attitudes. The wage inequality, the scorn and derision of fans, the media bias, the boardroom closed shop, the crass alpha male rejection of female skills. Football can in no way take any credit for the projection of women to a position that allows them entry into a scared and threatened male environment. To the average male's discredit, only women can claim that prize.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 03, 2021, 21:06:43 pm
So in your opinion, what would be a good game for her to ref?

Hartlepool v Cobbs
FGR v Salford
Exeter v Harrogate
Carlisle v Rochdale

Would not involve her with Sutton until she has clocked up a few more games!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3086 on October 03, 2021, 21:15:00 pm
Hartlepool v Cobbs
FGR v Salford
Exeter v Harrogate
Carlisle v Rochdale

Would not involve her with Sutton until she has clocked up a few more games!


Why Salford but not Sutton? Why Harrogate but not Sutton? Why should someone choose the games she can and can't officiate? Do you think perhaps that you have an outdated view of women?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 03, 2021, 21:21:31 pm
Hartlepool v Cobbs
FGR v Salford
Exeter v Harrogate
Carlisle v Rochdale

Would not involve her with Sutton until she has clocked up a few more games!


Why not?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 03, 2021, 21:23:12 pm
You really don’t get it do you - so I’ll ask the question again - why wasn’t it a good game for her to ref - but I’m afraid it’s a bit of a have you stopped beating your wife question


Still fishing  ::),  have replied and answered your queries. Your comment ref ‘beating your wife’ is uncalled for and pretty nasty one at that. Under the circumstances please withdraw your unsavoury comment.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: DrillingCobbler on October 03, 2021, 21:28:20 pm
Football is most definitely not the catalyst that equalises the gender anomaly. The game is ridden with bias and misogyny, just look at the average football fan on this forum with their 19th/20th century sexist attitudes. The wage inequality, the scorn and derision of fans, the media bias, the boardroom closed shop, the crass alpha male rejection of female skills. Football can in no way take any credit for the projection of women to a position that allows them entry into a scared and threatened male environment. To the average male's discredit, only women can claim that prize.

Fair enough response and I agree with what you say. But Ill ask you. What platform performs better? Id say football needs to kick on from the past, and thats abundantly clear. But football does bring the good folks across all sectors together? More so than anything else?

More blokes than women like football, and that will stay the same for decades to come, probably. Just the way we all operate. But that doesn't mean that it should be accepted as the norm. Hard to put into words. My wife has no interest in football week on week, but she does enjoy the euros and the world cup. And she lives with it. I think football can bridge the gap more so than most, and the more inclusion the better imo. I think you agree, its just hard to put into words on a forum. In summary, female refs, I see no reason why a good percentage of refs shouldn't be women in years to come, as they get more involved and work through the ranks. There is zero difference between a lady ref and a man ref, other than the attitude towards them by a minoritiy. And that will be sorted if it 'becomes the norm'.



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 03, 2021, 21:32:27 pm
Why Salford but not Sutton? Why Harrogate but not Sutton? Why should someone choose the games she can and can't officiate? Do you think perhaps that you have an outdated view of women?

Interesting comments I will ask my wife of 45yrs for her opinion. Any outdated view point for me is impractical with two modern daughters to boot. So put that in your pipe and smoke it!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3086 on October 03, 2021, 21:55:35 pm
Interesting comments I will ask my wife of 45yrs for her opinion. Any outdated view point for me is impractical with two modern daughters to boot. So put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Do you see what I mean? The pipe is on the very periphery of modern smoking habits. I don't think your family make-up can prove an argument, do you? At any rate, by the sound of it your two modern daughters could conceivably have daughters of their own by now. Wouldn't you like them to have the opportunity of refereeing a football match if they chose to without men deciding they aren't up to it?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on October 03, 2021, 22:01:55 pm
'Modern daughters'  ;D

'What kind of fool do you think I am, to think I know nothing of the Modern World?'

The Modfather...Evers!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Terryfenwickatemyhamster on October 03, 2021, 22:04:27 pm
I have no idea how what the fuss is about the ref. Didn’t see any issues above and beyond any other ref.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 03, 2021, 22:25:31 pm
Do you see what I mean? The pipe is on the very periphery of modern smoking habits. I don't think your family make-up can prove an argument, do you? At any rate, by the sound of it your two modern daughters could conceivably have daughters of their own by now. Wouldn't you like them to have the opportunity of refereeing a football match if they chose to without men deciding they aren't up to it?

Of course I do. Daughters have zero interest in Football.  Cannot comment any more. I would not stand in their way if they wish to referee a football game. Hope this suffices.







Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.to
Post by: everbrite on October 03, 2021, 23:03:52 pm
Why not?

It’s an opinion - she is a young woman at the beginning of an exacting career. Ok - perhaps why not West Ham v Chelsea or the North London Derby. Like Manwork I did not appreciate the way which some of the Sutton players tried to intimidate her. We didn’t. By force of nature all is not perhaps equal or easy for a woman to referee a men’s League EFL game. By common consent on here she did ok. It is my perception that she had at least one uneasy moment in the match. I have no qualms about her refereeing here again but in my opinion she needs to be stronger with any player who deliberately flaunts her decisions. Perhaps a red card or two might focus the minds.



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Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 04, 2021, 04:35:27 am
I have no idea how what the fuss is about the ref. Didn’t see any issues above and beyond any other ref.

I noticed a couple..


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 04, 2021, 04:53:22 am
Don't be so hard on yourself. I consider myself reasonably well educated and have an extensive vocabulary but I still swear like a mother **** docker, partly because I like it but also because studies have shown swearing has a positive impact on stress levels.

But mainly because I'm a **** foul-mouthed **** ****.

Thanks for the support BoTN,

Its not easy as I suffer from dyslexia, attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder and I'm also handicapped with intellectual disability, emotional disturbance and suffer from environmental, cultural and economic disadvantages.

This has all been diagnosed since the final whistle on Satdee.  ;D



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 04, 2021, 07:02:04 am
Thanks for the support BoTN,

Its not easy as I suffer from dyslexia, attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder and I'm also handicapped with intellectual disability, emotional disturbance and suffer from environmental, cultural and economic disadvantages.

This has all been diagnosed since the final whistle on Satdee.  ;D


Fûck me with a list of ailments like that you’ll be presenting the BBC new at 10 before the weeks out.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 04, 2021, 07:42:38 am


Still fishing  ::),  have replied and answered your queries. Your comment ref ‘beating your wife’ is uncalled for and pretty nasty one at that. Under the circumstances please withdraw your unsavoury comment.

Not fishing at all but can I suggest you read posts a couple of times before you reply - the “have you stopped beating your wife” reference was obviously not a question to you, rather a well established example question where there is no good answer.

Again if you read properly my posts I said no big deal but your initial wording did not clarify in the respect of  it not being an ideal fixture for her as to whether you meant, as a woman or simply through experience - you now seem to be trying to clarify it’s down to lack of experience which is a reasonable opinion (one I don’t actually agree with because you can’t pick and choose fixtures for any ref at this level and it also pre-judges team’s behaviours).

I remain a little sceptical of your original comment (given in all your previous postings and our years of experiencing poor referees) I have never seen you comment on it being the wrong game for a referee with limited experience before - but you have tried retrospectively to clarify.

As for trying to score brownie points on PC issues I have no interest in that type of exercise but I do have strong views and quite a lot of experience on sexism in sport and in the same way as you now see many female physios in football (unheard of 20 years ago) I think it’s great to see female referees emerging.

On other comments here I understand but disagree with Manny’s comments on suitable games - where the issue is purely a matter of physical strength then of course there are differences but for me a good female referee officiating at a man’s game is no different from a good female teacher at a boy’s school.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 04, 2021, 07:55:23 am
I think if there's female teachers at a school there should also be female students.
Not so sure you can appy the same with football refs and football players but that would certainly expose the dynamic.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 04, 2021, 07:59:06 am
Sorry Everbrite but your comment "daughters have zero interest in football" is not true. As you sit near me you must be aware that our 3 season tickets consists of myself, my daughter and my eldest grand daughter. My daughter has always been interested in football and also occasionally used to go to Man Utd games with a friend when one of their season tickets was not being used.
I also used to play cricket, often twice a weekend, yet my son has never had any interest in football or cricket but did use to play basketball.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3359 on October 04, 2021, 08:02:37 am
Ref no better or worst that what I've seen previously. Hopefully we will have better but positive we will have much worse.
As always though the ref was let down by the assistants. The one in front of the West missed/ignored lots of shirt pulls, shoves etc. I really dont see the point of them most of the time as they wait to see what the ref says anyway

One thing I noticed again is the officials seemed to let all the holding, shirt pulling etc go, but as soon as the foul was from a tackle the cards came out. In line with what Brady has said previously I wonder if the 'grappling' is a direction from the ref's association?

Having said all this there are 11+ players in claret that don't deserve to hide behind any other factors in the game. They were all poor and the only player not in claret gets any sort of praise from me.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 04, 2021, 08:07:10 am
Sorry Everbrite but your comment "daughters have zero interest in football" is not true. As you sit near me you must be aware that our 3 season tickets consists of myself, my daughter and my eldest grand daughter. My daughter has always been interested in football and also occasionally used to go to Man Utd games with a friend when one of their season tickets was not being used.
I also used to play cricket, often twice a weekend, yet my son has never had any interest in football or cricket but did use to play basketball.

To be fair to Evers (sometimes different!) I think he was referring to his daughters


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3359 on October 04, 2021, 08:13:37 am
Having seen Sutton play in hindsight it was IMO not a good game for her to ref? I am entitled to my opinion  and not bothered if it is a female, male or even trans ref. How you gauge people’s opinion on here is up to you. For my part you come across as a political animal seeking brownie points on PC issues?  Could do with Rebecca at a few difficult away games!
Don't agree with the comment (from manwork I think) about women only ref'ing womens games. Players surround male ref's too and I don't think she looked intimidated despite some of the players being twice her size. If anything I would say women that make it on to the pro ref list are going to be a lot more resilient than men.

Wanted to support evers a bit though. I don't necessarily agree this game was wrong for her but different factors are taken about how ref's are appointed all the time with male ref's so shouldn't be any different for female ref's.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest49 on October 04, 2021, 08:19:16 am
"I'm not sexist, some of my best friends are women"

Her performance was far, far better than some of the dross that we've witnessed but unfortunately as a female her performance will be under the spotlight every week. It's a minority attitude and could apply in any one of a number of scenarios.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 04, 2021, 08:37:32 am
To be fair to Evers (sometimes different!) I think he was referring to his daughters

Of course I was - will have words 8) with the great man on Tuesday. Funny old game  one game we have a woman ref  then the next the dreaded Shakespeare who I quite like ....by the way without prejudice!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 04, 2021, 09:15:07 am
Not fishing at all but can I suggest you read posts a couple of times before you reply - the “have you stopped beating your wife” reference was obviously not a question to you, rather a well established example question where there is no good answer.

Again if you read properly my posts I said no big deal but your initial wording did not clarify in the respect of  it not being an ideal fixture for her as to whether you meant, as a woman or simply through experience - you now seem to be trying to clarify it’s down to lack of experience which is a reasonable opinion (one I don’t actually agree with because you can’t pick and choose fixtures for any ref at this level and it also pre-judges team’s behaviours).

I remain a little sceptical of your original comment (given in all your previous postings and our years of experiencing poor referees) I have never seen you comment on it being the wrong game for a referee with limited experience before - but you have tried retrospectively to clarify.

As for trying to score brownie points on PC issues I have no interest in that type of exercise but I do have strong views and quite a lot of experience on sexism in sport and in the same way as you now see many female physios in football (unheard of 20 years ago) I think it’s great to see female referees emerging.

On other comments here I understand but disagree with Manny’s comments on suitable games - where the issue is purely a matter of physical strength then of course there are differences but for me a good female referee officiating at a man’s game is no different from a good female teacher at a boy’s school.

I find your analogy of wife beating is in poor taste and leave it at that. Unfortunately I find some of your comments a tad patronising. I say that without rancour!
 


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 04, 2021, 09:29:45 am
Fûck me with a list of ailments like that you’ll be presenting the BBC new at 10 before the weeks out.

I'm not coloured in.

This also prevents me from representing a "stereotypical" UK family in TV adverts.



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest2995 on October 04, 2021, 09:38:01 am
Covid cost us on Saturday .
I would like to know how many players refuse the jab.
In no way am i saying Guthrie did because i don’t know, but with squads so small i think those that refuse it are letting everyone down .


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 04, 2021, 10:37:21 am
Covid cost us on Saturday .
I would like to know how many players refuse the jab.


Klopp says all Liverpool squad are done yet only 30% of Prem footballers jabbed. 

Who's holding out?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest2995 on October 04, 2021, 10:43:41 am
Klopp says all Liverpool squad are done yet only 30% of Prem footballers jabbed. 

Who's holding out?
Klopp is 100% right - do these players not realise if everyone refused the jab , they wouldn’t even be playing football and teams like ours would be going bust .
Players that don’t take the jab should be named


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 04, 2021, 10:57:26 am
….and glued to Edgar Mobbs Way so we can insulate Sixseats.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 04, 2021, 11:08:34 am
Sorry Evers I misunderstood your post. As you did not refer to "your daughters" I assumed that you was talking about daughters in general.
Regarding the Sutton players constantly surrounding the referee I imagine they were acting on the orders of the manager who was yapping at the 4th official throughout the first half in particular. He was being touted as our next manager and if this is the way he behaves I am glad that he was not appointed even if it gains any advantage.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Carton Lid on October 04, 2021, 11:22:11 am

Regarding the Sutton players constantly surrounding the referee I imagine they were acting on the orders of the manager who was yapping at the 4th official throughout the first half in particular. He was being touted as our next manager and if this is the way he behaves I am glad that he was not appointed even if it gains any advantage.
As I posted on another thread, we are so un streetwise and its costing us dearly. I know it's not the "proper" way to play but if the opposition are in the 4th officials ear and crowd the ref, we need to do the same. Swindon got our "goal" disallowed by harassing the 4th official and Sutton got away with things our players got booked for by crowding around the ref, something we haven't done since Charlie Goode left. You can't just sit back and let it happen, you need to fight fire with fire.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 04, 2021, 11:26:33 am
Klopp says all Liverpool squad are done yet only 30% of Prem footballers jabbed. 

Who's holding out?

Ok this is perhaps a risky statement to make but if people don't see it in the open and absolutely non racist context its made then its them who have the problem

Firstly - Young fit footballers don't think they are at a particular risk of serious illness from covid.
Secondly - it is well documented that in the wider population black and mixed race folk are taking up the vaccine in lower numbers - couple, point one with this and the fact there are a fairly high proportion of black and mixed race footballers you probably have part of the answer.

It's a complicated issue, some of my friends still have a concern on historical use of vaccines and drugs -  essentially experimented on certain ethnic groups with some devastating outcomes. It's patronising to say this is just about education and whilst I'm passionately positive about vaccinations no one can absolutely say there are no long term effects.

......subject is probably off-topic for the Sutton game



Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 04, 2021, 11:26:54 am
Sorry Evers I misunderstood your post. As you did not refer to "your daughters" I assumed that you was talking about daughters in general.
Regarding the Sutton players constantly surrounding the referee I imagine they were acting on the orders of the manager who was yapping at the 4th official throughout the first half in particular. He was being touted as our next manager and if this is the way he behaves I am glad that he was not appointed even if it gains any advantage.

No probs - it happens, I sometimes confuse the best on here?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 04, 2021, 11:31:58 am
As I posted on another thread, we are so un streetwise and its costing us dearly. I know it's not the "proper" way to play but if the opposition are in the 4th officials ear and crowd the ref, we need to do the same. Swindon got our "goal" disallowed by harassing the 4th official and Sutton got away with things our players got booked for by crowding around the ref, something we haven't done since Charlie Goode left. You can't just sit back and let it happen, you need to fight fire with fire.

Agreed - no question Sutton deserved to win but their gamesmanship is clearly part of their game plan - did they up it because it was a lady ref ? - personally I doubt it but interesting to see them in other games and I suspect it is the same.

To your point we definitely lack that fire - for me Charlie at times was simply a cheat but I think we can still inject more fire without compromising all integrity 


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on October 04, 2021, 11:55:38 am
Ok this is perhaps a risky statement to make but if people don't see it in the open and absolutely non racist context its made then its them who have the problem

Firstly - Young fit footballers don't think they are at a particular risk of serious illness from covid.
Secondly - it is well documented that in the wider population black and mixed race folk are taking up the vaccine in lower numbers - couple, point one with this and the fact there are a fairly high proportion of black and mixed race footballers you probably have part of the answer.

It's a complicated issue, some of my friends still have a concern on historical use of vaccines and drugs -  essentially experimented on certain ethnic groups with some devastating outcomes. It's patronising to say this is just about education and whilst I'm passionately positive about vaccinations no one can absolutely say there are no long term effects.

......subject is probably off-topic for the Sutton game

From beginning to end, this thread has been about anything but the Sutton game!  ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on October 04, 2021, 12:04:10 pm
I find your analogy of wife beating is in poor taste and leave it at that. Unfortunately I find some of your comments a tad patronising. I say that without rancour!
 
But earlier in your post, you stated;
"I have two modern daughters to boot"
Is there a big difference between wife beating and booting daughters?
I don't know...I have neither!  :P


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 04, 2021, 12:10:14 pm
Ok this is perhaps a risky statement to make but if people don't see it in the open and absolutely non racist context its made then its them who have the problem

Firstly - Young fit footballers don't think they are at a particular risk of serious illness from covid.
Secondly - it is well documented that in the wider population black and mixed race folk are taking up the vaccine in lower numbers - couple, point one with this and the fact there are a fairly high proportion of black and mixed race footballers you probably have part of the answer.

It's a complicated issue, some of my friends still have a concern on historical use of vaccines and drugs -  essentially experimented on certain ethnic groups with some devastating outcomes. It's patronising to say this is just about education and whilst I'm passionately positive about vaccinations no one can absolutely say there are no long term effects.

......subject is probably off-topic for the Sutton game


I have no issues with Vaccines and would be somewhat disappointed if Cobblers players/staff are missing out. Regarding the highlighted opening sentence methinks a little Judgemental?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 04, 2021, 12:19:25 pm
But earlier in your post, you stated;
"I have two modern daughters to boot"
Is there a big difference between wife beating and booting daughters?
I don't know...I have neither!  :P

 8) You are a cad and a rotter and wont be voting for you as our man on the board :o


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: CobblerForever on October 04, 2021, 12:20:10 pm
The gamesmanship front;

Surely it's up to the officials to deal with it. Use yellows and reds to remove the perpetrators. No 2nd chances. I can't believe any official welcomes a 2nd opinion once the decision is made (or possibly explained to the Captain - the one with the relevant arm band).

Deepcut is our man for comment here.

PS I agree with the earlier poster regarding Linesmen - should do more.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 04, 2021, 12:47:17 pm
I have no issues with Vaccines and would be somewhat disappointed if Cobblers players/staff are missing out. Regarding the highlighted opening sentence methinks a little Judgemental?

Why is it judgemental - its a simple fact one can make a statement about a particular racial group and some people will jump up and down suggesting racial stereotyping or worse.

It shouldn't be necessary but sometimes in the context of one dimensional communication on a message board it might be advisable to qualify a statement - but judgemental? -  not by any definition I'm aware of.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3086 on October 04, 2021, 12:53:42 pm
Coaches and managers are the only ones who can end gamesmanship.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Zen Master on October 04, 2021, 12:54:52 pm
Can I just say that Sutton were better than us throughout the team and did something we could not which was to put the ball in the net on two occasions. They deserved their win.

 Fitness issues aside our selection from those available and shape of team was baffling. Not sure what message it gives that you a solid defender in Harriman available yet a midfielder known for rash challenges is preferred.
 


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 04, 2021, 13:21:47 pm
The gamesmanship front;

Surely it's up to the officials to deal with it. Use yellows and reds to remove the perpetrators. No 2nd chances. I can't believe any official welcomes a 2nd opinion once the decision is made (or possibly explained to the Captain - the one with the relevant arm band).

Deepcut is our man for comment here.

PS I agree with the earlier poster regarding Linesmen - should do more.

I wasn't at the game so cannot comment specifically about this one.  But as I have said before, the officials have Mark One eyeballs to see incidents once and once only in real time to make their decisions.
Putting pressure onto an official is a tactic that is employed by a lot of clubs and despite denials that it doesn't have an effect, having been in that position and generally rate myself as pretty robust, it does have an impact even if the official consciously tries their hardest not to allow it to.  Not necessarily for the immediate decision but possibly for decisions later in the game.  The officials are human.
The crowding round the officials is something that 'all clubs' had agreed to stop doing, which initially yielded an obvious improvement, but it appears to have come back into the game.
At Step 5 and below and in some of the FA competitions, the use of Sin Bins for dissent, has drastically reduced the level of dissent considerably.  Which in turn allows the officials to make decisions as they see fit without any threats of verbal or physical dissent. 

"Linesman - should do more" As I have said previously, because of the communications equipment, all four officials will be involved in officiating the game, even if you do not see any visible flag or signals to acknowledge that.  You would be surprised at how much 'in-game' and constant chatter is going on during a game to assist the man/woman in the middle.  But it is up to that person with the whistle to take all of that advice and make the ultimate decision each and every time, normally within seconds.

Yes, officials do get decisions wrong but the majority are correct, or correct in line with the interpretation of the Law.  The main problem that officials have is with players, managerial staff, commentators/pundits and fans who either do not know the Law, or are not familiar with the interpretations, or what has lead up to the decision being made and what has been considered when the official is making those decisions.
It infuriates officials, when leading pundits make comment about a particular decision that is completely incorrect in Law.  Unfortunately, fans and media believe the version given on MotD or Sky/BT Sports which creates more unjustifiable abuse of the officials.

Which is why when asked, either on here or regularly at games, I try and explain the decisions in Law and also why I believe that the officials have made the various decisions.  I have also said that I don't necessarily agree with the particular decisions made (especially with my claret tinted specs on) and give my honest opinion when I believe that they have got it wrong, but I believe that my explanation provides a better education and understanding.

It's not a job for the faint-hearted.  Across the country, I heard last week that 35% of officials have not re-registered for the 2021-2022 season. There are not enough to go round, that is one reason why I have not been to as many Cobblers games as I normally do.  I and my fellow officials have been in constant demand.  One of the greatest reasons given for the 'disappearance' has been the level of abuse both verbal and physical that officials have suffered both during and particularly after games.  There are weekly examples reported in the media, a lot of examples that I've seen do not reach that level of publicity.
The game cannot continue without officials, some leagues in my area are having to self officiate some games because there are insufficient officials to go round.

I've asked for a weekend off, so I should be at Hartlepool, subject to a lastminute.com appointment, when we will be able to talk about the excellent Cobblers performance and not the level of officiating on the journey home, I can but hope... 8)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Carton Lid on October 04, 2021, 14:49:44 pm
Can I just say that Sutton were better than us throughout the team and did something we could not which was to put the ball in the net on two occasions. They deserved their win.

 
I don't think anyone is disputing that they were better than us, but they did try to "influence" the officials. I sit behind the away dugout and everyone around me was joking that while Sutton were so blatant with the timewasting when they were 2-0 up, the didn't need to do it at all , we were never going to score 2 goals. :(


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3359 on October 04, 2021, 15:01:12 pm
They did everything any team 2-0 up away from home would do.  But I agree they didn't need to. Im glad they did or they would have more opportunities to score even more!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest1269 on October 04, 2021, 15:03:59 pm
I don't think anyone is disputing that they were better than us, but they did try to "influence" the officials. I sit behind the away dugout and everyone around me was joking that while Sutton were so blatant with the timewasting when they were 2-0 up, the didn't need to do it at all , we were never going to score 2 goals. :(

Don't disagree with any of the above but I would say our time wasting a few seasons ago was legendary.........


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Madrid Cobbler on October 04, 2021, 15:37:39 pm
Don't disagree with any of the above but I would say our time wasting a few seasons ago was legendary.........

As I've said earlier on this thread, we are as bad as any other team, but the point is that, these days all teams get away with murder regarding cheating and time wasting.

For what it's worth, although we weren't in the refs ear so much on Saturday, we certainly have been over the course of this season, and much more than last year. Moreover, Danny Rose dives around as much as Charlie Goode ever did and is always looking to try to "win" fouls (ie cheat). I don't know the exact rules on this and maybe the laws make it difficult for refs to deal with this. As Deepcut says, I'm sure most of us fans don't know all the ins and outs of the laws of the game. However, there's no doubt that far more players using the various froms of cheating (or game management as those who applaud it like to call it) and getting away with it than there used to be, and it's spoiling the game.

The match officials are partially to blame for this. They let far too many infringement pass that they have clearly seen. For eaxample, how is it possible for a linesman to allow a throw which went out of play next to where he's stood, be taken 10+ yards further up the pitch, without taking any action. Can we really assume he didn't notice? What kind of message does this inaction send out to the team that is cheating? This kind of thing happens several times every single game. Officials are far more lenient than they used to be with thiskind of behaviour.

Let's see throwers being pulled back to the right place EVERY time they try to cheat, be booked for repeat offences, more yellow cards given for diving, tiime-wasting and feigning injury, and all this nonsense would soon stop or at least be under control.

I'm often shouting for the Cobblers players to get on to the ref, because if our opponents are the only ones to do it, they gain an unfair advantage, because officials ARE influenced by it. That, however, isn't really what I would like to see. The real solution is for officials to get tougher on this kind of behaviour.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Manwork04 on October 04, 2021, 15:51:18 pm
As I've said earlier on this thread, we are as bad as any other team, but the point is that, these days all teams get away with murder regarding cheating and time wasting.

For what it's worth, although we weren't in the refs ear so much on Saturday, we certainly have been over the course of this season, and much more than last year. Moreover, Danny Rose dives around as much as Charlie Goode ever did and is always looking to try to "win" fouls (ie cheat). I don't know the exact rules on this and maybe the laws make it difficult for refs to deal with this. As Deepcut says, I'm sure most of us fans don't know all the ins and outs of the laws of the game. However, there's no doubt that far more players using the various froms of cheating (or game management as those who applaud it like to call it) and getting away with it than there used to be, and it's spoiling the game.

The match officials are partially to blame for this. They let far too many infringement pass that they have clearly seen. For eaxample, how is it possible for a linesman to allow a throw which went out of play next to where he's stood, be taken 10+ yards further up the pitch, without taking any action. Can we really assume he didn't notice? What kind of message does this inaction send out to the team that is cheating? This kind of thing happens several times every single game. Officials are far more lenient than they used to be with thiskind of behaviour.

Let's see throwers being pulled back to the right place EVERY time they try to cheat, be booked for repeat offences, more yellow cards given for diving, tiime-wasting and feigning injury, and all this nonsense would soon stop or at least be under control.

I'm often shouting for the Cobblers players to get on to the ref, because if our opponents are the only ones to do it, they gain an unfair advantage, because officials ARE influenced by it. That, however, isn't really what I would like to see. The real solution is for officials to get tougher on this kind of behaviour.
At one point on Saturday their right back had a throw in near his own goal line but after he’d waved his arms around while walking actually took the throw from the midpoint of his half.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3063 on October 04, 2021, 16:07:02 pm
At one point on Saturday their right back had a throw in near his own goal line but after he’d waved his arms around while walking actually took the throw from the midpoint of his half.

To make it worse, their manager was very quick to point out to the ref where our players should be taking throw ins from. At one point in the second half he even grabbed Ali Koiki to stop him moving up the line. Did anyone else see that? Ref did nothing or the 4th official, who wasn't interested. A little different to the 4th official at the Swindon game who liked to always get involved. It's the inconsistency I hate.         


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Carton Lid on October 04, 2021, 16:23:27 pm
It is so easy for refs to stop most of the gamesmanship. I think I'm correct in saying that taking a throw in from the incorrect place is a foul throw, if so, enforce it every time. Keepers taking 30 seconds for goal kicks, warn them that you know they are timewasting and next time will result in a booking.
     We know all teams do it, but I can never remember when we were very good at it, it always looked so obvious when we did it !


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Horsham Cobbler on October 04, 2021, 16:50:46 pm
As I've said earlier on this thread, we are as bad as any other team, but the point is that, these days all teams get away with murder regarding cheating and time wasting.

For what it's worth, although we weren't in the refs ear so much on Saturday, we certainly have been over the course of this season, and much more than last year. Moreover, Danny Rose dives around as much as Charlie Goode ever did and is always looking to try to "win" fouls (ie cheat). I don't know the exact rules on this and maybe the laws make it difficult for refs to deal with this. As Deepcut says, I'm sure most of us fans don't know all the ins and outs of the laws of the game. However, there's no doubt that far more players using the various froms of cheating (or game management as those who applaud it like to call it) and getting away with it than there used to be, and it's spoiling the game.

The match officials are partially to blame for this. They let far too many infringement pass that they have clearly seen. For eaxample, how is it possible for a linesman to allow a throw which went out of play next to where he's stood, be taken 10+ yards further up the pitch, without taking any action. Can we really assume he didn't notice? What kind of message does this inaction send out to the team that is cheating? This kind of thing happens several times every single game. Officials are far more lenient than they used to be with thiskind of behaviour.

Let's see throwers being pulled back to the right place EVERY time they try to cheat, be booked for repeat offences, more yellow cards given for diving, tiime-wasting and feigning injury, and all this nonsense would soon stop or at least be under control.

I'm often shouting for the Cobblers players to get on to the ref, because if our opponents are the only ones to do it, they gain an unfair advantage, because officials ARE influenced by it. That, however, isn't really what I would like to see. The real solution is for officials to get tougher on this kind of behaviour.

I still think Rugby Union has it nailed on; any lip or questioning of the ref's authority when the ball is out of play and it's a 10-yard move towards your own goal.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3429 on October 04, 2021, 17:02:33 pm
From beginning to end, this thread has been about anything but the Sutton game!  ;D

I think that's probably the best approach.

Continuing the "anything but Sutton theme," I was just reading the thread and listening to Pick of the Pops from 1978.This came on and I don't know why but I thought of Evers  ???

Maybe we could all have a collective hug to help "cope" with the trauma we have just witnessed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1LNeRAIJpQ


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: EB Claret on October 04, 2021, 18:50:46 pm
I still think Rugby Union has it nailed on; any lip or questioning of the ref's authority when the ball is out of play and it's a 10-yard move towards your own goal.

This was tried in football a few years ago but didn't really work because it caused more arguing and every free kick took an age.
Maybe if referees allowed more quick free kicks the defending team would have to get into position instead of crowding around the ref?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 04, 2021, 18:54:35 pm
It is so easy for refs to stop most of the gamesmanship. I think I'm correct in saying that taking a throw in from the incorrect place is a foul throw, if so, enforce it every time. Keepers taking 30 seconds for goal kicks, warn them that you know they are timewasting and next time will result in a booking.
     We know all teams do it, but I can never remember when we were very good at it, it always looked so obvious when we did it !

Agree, it frustrates me as well, from whichever side. I'm surprised PL/EFL officials don't pull teams up early for throw in yard pinching and excessive time wasting by the keepers. I am also amazed by the amount of raised foot foul throws that aren't picked up either. I use them to set the tone for the rest of the game and find it helps with the overall match control.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 04, 2021, 18:57:34 pm
This was tried in football a few years ago but didn't really work because it caused more arguing and every free kick took an age.
Maybe if referees allowed more quick free kicks the defending team would have to get into position instead of crowding around the ref?

Defenders also used it to bring the kick too close, especially for players like David Beckham, to allow them to get the kick up and over the wall to get it back down again.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: EB Claret on October 04, 2021, 19:12:50 pm
I wasn't at the game so cannot comment specifically about this one.  But as I have said before, the officials have Mark One eyeballs to see incidents once and once only in real time to make their decisions.
Putting pressure onto an official is a tactic that is employed by a lot of clubs and despite denials that it doesn't have an effect, having been in that position and generally rate myself as pretty robust, it does have an impact even if the official consciously tries their hardest not to allow it to.  Not necessarily for the immediate decision but possibly for decisions later in the game.  The officials are human.
The crowding round the officials is something that 'all clubs' had agreed to stop doing, which initially yielded an obvious improvement, but it appears to have come back into the game.
At Step 5 and below and in some of the FA competitions, the use of Sin Bins for dissent, has drastically reduced the level of dissent considerably.  Which in turn allows the officials to make decisions as they see fit without any threats of verbal or physical dissent. 

"Linesman - should do more" As I have said previously, because of the communications equipment, all four officials will be involved in officiating the game, even if you do not see any visible flag or signals to acknowledge that.  You would be surprised at how much 'in-game' and constant chatter is going on during a game to assist the man/woman in the middle.  But it is up to that person with the whistle to take all of that advice and make the ultimate decision each and every time, normally within seconds.

Yes, officials do get decisions wrong but the majority are correct, or correct in line with the interpretation of the Law.  The main problem that officials have is with players, managerial staff, commentators/pundits and fans who either do not know the Law, or are not familiar with the interpretations, or what has lead up to the decision being made and what has been considered when the official is making those decisions.
It infuriates officials, when leading pundits make comment about a particular decision that is completely incorrect in Law.  Unfortunately, fans and media believe the version given on MotD or Sky/BT Sports which creates more unjustifiable abuse of the officials.

Which is why when asked, either on here or regularly at games, I try and explain the decisions in Law and also why I believe that the officials have made the various decisions.  I have also said that I don't necessarily agree with the particular decisions made (especially with my claret tinted specs on) and give my honest opinion when I believe that they have got it wrong, but I believe that my explanation provides a better education and understanding.

It's not a job for the faint-hearted.  Across the country, I heard last week that 35% of officials have not re-registered for the 2021-2022 season. There are not enough to go round, that is one reason why I have not been to as many Cobblers games as I normally do.  I and my fellow officials have been in constant demand.  One of the greatest reasons given for the 'disappearance' has been the level of abuse both verbal and physical that officials have suffered both during and particularly after games.  There are weekly examples reported in the media, a lot of examples that I've seen do not reach that level of publicity.
The game cannot continue without officials, some leagues in my area are having to self officiate some games because there are insufficient officials to go round.

I've asked for a weekend off, so I should be at Hartlepool, subject to a lastminute.com appointment, when we will be able to talk about the excellent Cobblers performance and not the level of officiating on the journey home, I can but hope... 8)

When you are refereeing a game what instructions do you give to your linesmen?
When my daughter played in junior and then ladies football somebody connected with each team ran the line, I frequently took a turn and it's a harder job than it looks. Referees varied from passers bye to some quite experienced Refs. Each Ref would talk to the linos before the game, some just said "flag for throw ins and offside and leave the rest to me"(usually the passer bye). Others would add to that "if you spot any infringement put your flag up and I'll come and have a word"(the more experienced Ref).
I ask because when watching the Cobblers it often appears that some linesmen only flag for throw ins and offside even when a blatant foul or hand ball happens under their nose.
How would you handle things?


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 04, 2021, 19:21:15 pm
We are now told that Connolly was not in the squad on Saturday as his wife was giving birth, don't know why we could not be told this earlier.
But in another strange statement, maybe due to the questioning of his team selection, JB says the players on the periphery were not picked because they are not match fit. These players have had the same pre-season as the others and presumably have trained the same throughout August and September so should have the same fitness levels apart from not playing in matches. Therefor it seems they are not match fit because they have not been playing and if that is the reason for not selecting them they will never get match fit and have little chance of being selected, quite astounding.
The general consensus was that Harriman should have been in the starting 11. If it was thought that he could not play the full 90 minutes surely it would still have been better for him to start and play 60,70 or 80 minutes until he tired.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 04, 2021, 19:26:22 pm
With the necessary willpower from the authorities it would all be easy to stamp out.

Time wasting? A warning for the first offence then a yellow the next time.

Stealing yards or a foul throw? Give the throw the other way.

Getting in the ref's face? Yellow card.

Swarming the ref? Yellow cards all round.

Swearing at the ref? Straight red.

It might ruin a few games when it was introduced but the players would soon get the message!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: CobblerForever on October 04, 2021, 20:41:40 pm
Covid cost us on Saturday .
I would like to know how many players refuse the jab.
In no way am i saying Guthrie did because i don’t know, but with squads so small i think those that refuse it are letting everyone down .

Just listened to this Jon Brady interview;

https://www.ntfc.co.uk/news/2021/october/ifollow-jon-brady-previews-the-papa-johns-trophy-tie-with-walsall/

"Roughly 66%", "nearly fully vaccinated".

The precise comment is around 9:15 minutes in.

This should probably have had a separate thread.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on October 04, 2021, 20:42:18 pm
With the necessary willpower from the authorities it would all be easy to stamp out.

Time wasting? A warning for the first offence then a yellow the next time.

Stealing yards or a foul throw? Give the throw the other way.

Getting in the ref's face? Yellow card.

Swarming the ref? Yellow cards all round.

Swearing at the ref? Straight red.

It might ruin a few games when it was introduced but the players would soon get the message!
Think you're right Mr Brakespear!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3338 on October 04, 2021, 20:44:41 pm
We are now told that Connolly was not in the squad on Saturday as his wife was giving birth, don't know why we could not be told this earlier.
But in another strange statement, maybe due to the questioning of his team selection, JB says the players on the periphery were not picked because they are not match fit. These players have had the same pre-season as the others and presumably have trained the same throughout August and September so should have the same fitness levels apart from not playing in matches. Therefor it seems they are not match fit because they have not been playing and if that is the reason for not selecting them they will never get match fit and have little chance of being selected, quite astounding.
The general consensus was that Harriman should have been in the starting 11. If it was thought that he could not play the full 90 minutes surely it would still have been better for him to start and play 60,70 or 80 minutes until he tired.
Maybe we couldn't be told because Mrs Connolly herself was unaware of exactly when she would be giving birth until relatively close to the event?
Brady. Yeah, sounds like he's full of horses*** to me. If you are going to make an excuse for a team selection try and make it a convincing one.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: BackOfTheNet on October 04, 2021, 20:56:27 pm
Think you're right Mr Brakespear!

 ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Coolcat on October 04, 2021, 20:59:22 pm
Maybe we couldn't be told because Mrs Connolly herself was unaware of exactly when she would be giving birth until relatively close to the event?
Brady. Yeah, sounds like he's full of horses*** to me. If you are going to make an excuse for a team selection try and make it a convincing one.
Her water had broken... waterlogged pitch!


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: everbrite on October 04, 2021, 21:11:46 pm
At one point on Saturday their right back had a throw in near his own goal line but after he’d waved his arms around while walking actually took the throw from the midpoint of his half.

He was told by the ref to go back in line with her. So he did and then began his launching actions and ended up mid way in his own half.  He should have launched the ball from the spot the Ref told him to. He didn't, the ref looked away.  For me that was an opportunity for the ref to stamp her authority. It wasn't taken. In reality she should have booked him or make him take the throw again, releasing the ball from the throw-in spot - plus adding on time!

Fair amount on here of two wrongs make a right; that of course includes most of us (and me).


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 05, 2021, 06:07:22 am
With the necessary willpower from the authorities it would all be easy to stamp out.

Time wasting? A warning for the first offence then a yellow the next time.

Stealing yards or a foul throw? Give the throw the other way.

Getting in the ref's face? Yellow card.

Swarming the ref? Yellow cards all round.

Swearing at the ref? Straight red.

It might ruin a few games when it was introduced but the players would soon get the message!

Hallelujah, love it.  ;)
If they did that in the PL and the EFL, it would help the lower level grassroots officials tremendously.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 05, 2021, 07:35:52 am
When you are refereeing a game what instructions do you give to your linesmen?
When my daughter played in junior and then ladies football somebody connected with each team ran the line, I frequently took a turn and it's a harder job than it looks. Referees varied from passers bye to some quite experienced Refs. Each Ref would talk to the linos before the game, some just said "flag for throw ins and offside and leave the rest to me"(usually the passer bye). Others would add to that "if you spot any infringement put your flag up and I'll come and have a word"(the more experienced Ref).
I ask because when watching the Cobblers it often appears that some linesmen only flag for throw ins and offside even when a blatant foul or hand ball happens under their nose.
How would you handle things?

Two types of 'Assistants', club and qualified (neutral):
I brief club officials to give me ins and outs down the line and on the goal line if in a credible position (whole ball).
I also ask them to give me a flag for offside if, in their opinion it is, with the brief that I will overrule them if I believe that it's incorrect but 'not to take it personal'.  A similar brief if they want to flag for fouls/infringements. I tell the players/teams to ignore the offside/foul flags and play to the whistle throughout, because they are for my benefit only and it takes the pressure off the club official. 
Qualified Assistant Referees are to use their knowledge and experience in accordance with Law to provide assistance subject to my/their credibility and/or if I am asking for 'help'.  A lot of times it's not needed because it's obvious. As I have the whistle, I will make the final decision though, based on my interpretation of their assistance.  If using 'comms kits', there will not always be an obvious indication that the AR is 'assisting' the man in the middle, so don't assume that the AR who is on top of the incident hasn't assisted, even if they don't flag.  If we don't have comms kits, there are many 'indications/signs/signals', including buzzers, that we use to 'talk' to each other without obvious face to face conversation, in order to be as correct as possible. At live games, I'm always looking out for those little 'signals' between the officials.
I will always say that Assisting is more difficult than middling because you have to be in the correct/credible position every time when giving a decision (offsides etc..), whereas the referee 'only' needs to be in a credible vicinity. 
I normally get appointed to at least a middle and a line each week.  I did a line at Aldershot Town last week, clocking up 4 miles of 'bleep testing' up and down in the 90 minutes (I normally average about 3 for a line). Middling, I can clock up anything between 6 and 12 miles depending on the level of the game, although I normally average about 7-8.   ;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: guest3359 on October 05, 2021, 07:41:42 am
I still think Rugby Union has it nailed on; any lip or questioning of the ref's authority when the ball is out of play and it's a 10-yard move towards your own goal.
What I also think rugby does much better than football is the ref's explain their decision to the players. You might not agree with it but at least you know why and can learn the way they are going to referee the game. It also show mutual respect.
Some football refs are good at this but all too often the ref has a power trip and either runs away or tells the players to go away. Should be agreed that the captain and the person penalised get the explanation and a very quick opportunity to put their side over. I dont think it would slow the game too much and have so many knock on benefits.

There is also the factor that rugby is a slower game with them all hugging each other on the floor so the ref's are usually right next to the play and giving instructions before penalising if they persist.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Deepcut Cobbler on October 05, 2021, 07:52:37 am
What I also think rugby does much better than football is the ref's explain their decision to the players. You might not agree with it but at least you know why and can learn the way they are going to referee the game. It also show mutual respect.
Some football refs are good at this but all too often the ref has a power trip and either runs away or tells the players to go away. Should be agreed that the captain and the person penalised get the explanation and a very quick opportunity to put their side over. I dont think it would slow the game too much and have so many knock on benefits.

There is also the factor that rugby is a slower game with them all hugging each other on the floor so the ref's are usually right next to the play and giving instructions before penalising if they persist.

True, but I believe that depends on the confidence, level and experience of the official in the middle.  The majority of the PL/EFL officials are talking to the players all of the time, not just in stoppages of play.
I talk throughout games to all players, as the game is ongoing, not just when there is a pause of play. Although I do have the benefit of playing, coaching and managing at a decent level prior to taking up the whistle, which gives me slightly more experience and confidence to be able to do that than some.
It is appreciated by the players.  ;)


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: west stand oap on October 05, 2021, 11:41:26 am
After Saturday how many of the Afghans have applied for season tickets?.


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Carton Lid on October 05, 2021, 12:51:14 pm
After Saturday how many of the Afghans have applied for season tickets?.
;D


Title: Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct.
Post by: Tabasco Kid on October 05, 2021, 13:26:27 pm
After Saturday how many of the Afghans have applied for season tickets?.
None of them if it involves paying for it.