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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Covid misinformation? on: Yesterday at 21:16:26
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Covid misinformation? on: Yesterday at 20:08:03
Your post has forced me to kiss the picture I have of her in my drawing room.

I shouldn't for one minute think a fan of the maggot would have a drawing room, surely a parlour?
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Covid misinformation? on: Yesterday at 19:47:50
Hereís one for you Jim, one of my most favourite quotes from my most favourite politician, Margaret Thatcher  said, "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"?

Anybody who says that the maggot Thatcher is their favourite politician needs to be banned from this forum, expunged from the 2011 census and cast in to a web of permanent displacement. Luckily, she is currently left of centre of Lucifer.
4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 21, 2021, 20:36:52 pm
You can't beat a good prossie (unless you are a pimp, of course).
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: BREAKING: Cobblers to invite democratically elected fan onto board... on: October 20, 2021, 07:34:55 am
How was the online voting done? I never received anything about it.
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: FA Cup 2021/22 on: October 18, 2021, 21:25:49 pm
7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 15, 2021, 13:42:13 pm
At the moment, I canít really get in any further debate about this subject. However, one thing I will say, is to repeat what I said quite a few years ago now.

Everyone thinks they are right. Everyone probably wants whatís best for the club. But one thing is for sure. As much as football is important to us all. Had some people invested the time and effort they put into arguing on here, into something really worthy of their attention, Iím sure they would feel better about themselves today. And might have made a real difference in this world.

Remember this. If one brutal dictatorship, with an heinous human rights record of r@pe, mutilation, murder, corruption and torture turned up offering us premiership football, none of our words would matter. Football, and football supporters would be outside the club, sitting on their fellow supporters shoulders, cheering on the new regime and every word on this thread would count for nought.

So drop any romantic notion that football gives a flying fcuk about anything, or that anyone will stop its charge towards oblivion. And never make the mistake of taking yourself serious on here 😀😀

For goodness sake, don't mention Newcastle United. Phew, I think you got away with it.
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 14, 2021, 20:09:22 pm
I am confused. Everybody seems to be treating this as a revelation. Didn't we know all along that they sold the club to the Chinese?
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 13, 2021, 18:51:29 pm
I'm a dick on here who's definitely on the board of the Trust.  I can't remember the last time the £10k was mentioned at a board meeting.  I think the context when it was mentioned was when we had received another "telling off" email from the club about something or other, the comments were to the effect that the Trust's members were there when nobody else was and some senior people in the club had selective and/or memories.  Just mentioned amongst the board, no action agreed about it, and then it wasn't mentioned again as far as I recall.

It happened before I joined around 3 years ago so I can't give details.  I would probably be able give more had it been discussed to any degree during our meetings.

Reflecting on how things were at the time, if it were to happen now I would want unpaid staff to get paid as quickly as possible so I wouldn't be getting too fussed about drafting a legal agreement.  You'd also be in a situation where new owners could say they didn't agree to the loan (the entity owning the club would be a different company in all probability anyway) and refuse to recognise it.  So I'd also be prepared for it not to be returned in the event of the takeover not going ahead and the club ending up in even worse circumstances.

That's all I can say about it.  It's genuinely not on my radar currently.

Oh no! What is the shoe manufacturer going to rant about now? 😕
10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 13, 2021, 17:36:00 pm
Wind your neck in.

Itís the trust who keep bringing up the £10,000 fiasco
Iím just responding to the fact that the trust keep mentioning it.
You can go back through threads to confirm that the trust keep bringing the situation up if you wish.

Weíre you on the trust board at the time?
If not how would you have any idea of timescales??

As for not having time to do thingsÖ
This is a usual response from the trust at every twist and turn.

It would take five minutes flat to draw up a legal document stating whether money is gifted or lent.
That isnít legal eagle stuff!!
Was no one on the board at the time intelligent enough to realise that this clarity was needed??
They should have been given what the club had just been through.

In the same way the trust point out that the club havenít delivered on their £4m redevelopment promise (was that ever in writing?) and constantly bring up the perceived failings of the clubs owners and keep banging on about unanswered questions , all I am doing is highlighting that the trust are acting in the same way.
Six years on no one has explained what actually went on with the 10k and what protocols were followed.

The trust seem very good at scrutinising others but are unable to answer extremely simple questions when faced with them themselves.

Are you suggesting from a position from within the trust that the 10k was given to the club on no more than a verbal agreement as that is what you seem to be insinuating with your pushed for time theory.

If not and you were not on the trust board at the time and therefore wouldnít actually know any more than other posters would someone from the trust please step up and answer the question once and for all (preferably someone who was making the decisions at the time however uncomfortable that may be).

Once that has been put to bed the trust will be in a better position to scrutinise the redevelopment or the Chinese investment or fan ownership or whatever scheme they think of next.

Tidy up your own desk and explain what actually occurred regards the 10k , who were the trust board members who decided to pass the money on and what protocols were in place.


If you are so interested and agitated and won't accept anyones answers other than those of the Trust why the hell don't you email/write/phone/text/message/fax or, god forbid, speak to the bloody Trust and ask them? Any dick on here can say they are on the board of the Trust.
11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 13, 2021, 08:46:55 am
I wouldnít because the trust have proved before that they arenít very good at deciding whether they have given or loaned people money.
After six years the trust are still claiming they are owed £10,000 by the owners but havenít mentioned why after  six years they have been unable to recoup it for their members.

That level of incompetence would count me out of being involved with anything the trust did that involved them handling large amounts of money.

Explain to your members what actually happened with the £10,000 lent/given to the club.

1) there should have been something in writing regards the transaction and if so there would be no issue whatsoever in claiming it back.
2) after six years of not claiming it back the inference (rightly or wrongly) is that this wasnít the case which would show a great level of incompetence on the trusts part.

I think itís a bit of a cheek for the trust to want to get into another financial situation without first explaining to their membership what has happened regards their missing £10,000 from trust funds that they repeatedly mention.

Anyone from the trust like to explain the process of the club gaining £10,000 from trust funds and what measures/safeguards were in place for its return??

I remember going to the Coventry game thinking it could be the last ever as the club was on the brink. There was interest but although the players were being paid by their union, the staff were not and the staff were not exactly well paid. Now I am not sure exactly how it was arranged but the Trust paid the staff out of the 10k to keep them going and at the time I believe the favourites to purchase the club agreed to pay it back if they were successful. This was reported in the press. There certainly wouldn't have been time to draw up a legal document to guarantee in law but who cares? The staff were paid, that is the important thing. The money was never repaid and I imagine the Trust would not have wanted to sue a brand new owner at that time and in any case it would have cost a fair bundle knowing the legal profession.
If you are going to forever resent that organisation for not getting the money back in the circumstances in which it was paid then you need to look in the mirror, have a word with yourself and then sit down, take a deep breath and troll the internet for a new place to live where noone else does.
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 09, 2021, 10:29:58 am
They donít need to submit planning for the stand as it already has it from DC times. The more learned amongst us could tell me how long approved planning is valid for?

3 years.
13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 08, 2021, 20:49:50 pm
Are you lot still flogging this stiff nag? There ain't no redev. Never will be. The equine has bolted. The current incumbents haven't even put in a planning application. Their crazy plans won't get past WNC. Why should they? Eventually they will slither away (tails between legs) and there will be a Phoenix. Most probably not even at sickfields.
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: BREAKING: Cobblers to invite democratically elected fan onto board... on: October 08, 2021, 20:40:42 pm
The proposed deal in the last format we saw was impossible to support because it didn't include any proposals for clear, binding commitment in terms of benefits to the football club.  As it stands, the deal refers to splitting profits.  What will those profits be after the pretty steep £3m to finish the East Stand in line with the last shoddy iteration of Cardoza's ever-worsening plans including restricted views, the required remediation of the contaminated land before it can be sold, and no doubt many other expenses...

The most recent idea floated was that the owners would like to parcel the land up and sell it for development.  This for me is not an approach that would be favoured by people who plan to be around for very long to ensure the club is ok after the deal is done.  It also gives a one-off lump of revenue rather than providing any continued income (developing on the land and letting it out would do this).  We've already seen that it is pretty easy for one-off lumps of money to go missing around football clubs, and other places to be fair.

So without even a commitment of a percentage of profits, let alone some ballpark figures, guaranteed to go the the club, how is this a supportable proposal for any Cobblers fan?  It's quite easy to run a project with high costs (including consultancy fees and salaries) which doesn't show any profit (50/50 to go to WNC and NTFC in the proposed deal) but still makes a lot of money for the people involved along the way.  This has to be as close as possible to watertight, it is a one-off opportunity to avoid the club being devoid of any assets and hemmed in by sheds on sold-off land, with no opportunity for further income and a pretty crap completed East Stand.

It could be that the addition of detail to the current plan would provide the required reassurance and the Trust might then be able to support it, as long as such detail was legally bound into any agreement.  We look at the results of verbal commitments made six years ago every time we look to our left from the North Stand...

I don't think WNC would approve the deal in its current format regardless of any lobbying from the club, the Trust or anyone else.  It doesn't provide any assurance whatsoever of a positive outcome for any party.

What else could be done with that land?  I'd love to see some ideas from the owners about football-related developments, or things that would create an ongoing income and enhance the matchday experience.  If that land isn't suitable due to contamination, then share some thoughts as to what you'd do with the stated amount of profits that would be guaranteed to be used for the benefit of the club.  I know KT said his approach was to under-promise and over-deliver, but so far we've only seen the first part of that.  Why so averse to sharing a vision for the club?  We know plans can go wrong and make people look silly, but if you don't have a plan at all the risk is stagnation.

Everything seems to be about flogging that land asap, to the detriment of any other creative thinking which we could all get behind and potentially contribute to.  The only ideas I've seen have come from supporters, but our owners are experienced "football people" and want to create a "local feel".  Surely there's something better we could do than flog off the club's only asset as quickly as possible.

I'd like to know your view on this too.  What do you think?

I can't read this. It is too blue.
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 06, 2021, 19:05:57 pm

You have completelymissed the point. My opinion that the trust could not run the club, could not have financed the club through covid times and financed changing managers and getting in players is the crux of my repsonse. As far as I am concerned the trust even though they want some of the same things I do should never be let anywhere near the ownership of the club. For me it is like green political parties, great ideas not a fķcking clue on how to manage them fiscally.

This is complete nonsense. Bowers doesn't run the club and I am sure he would agree he knows nothing about football. He has staff that do that just as other owners would have. As for the second part about the Greens, there are green political parties in government around Europe and in the UK the whole point of the civil service is to run the country, political 'owners' come and go.
16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: October 05, 2021, 08:47:09 am
These overseas members of the Forum make a lot of fuss over a few things they cannot possibly influence. An exception is of course Feelgood who puts everybody off with his ongoing negative results banter.

He doesn't put me off.
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: BREAKING: Cobblers to invite democratically elected fan onto board... on: October 05, 2021, 08:43:02 am
Some say he/she would do a good job or aren't sure but please can someone clarify what his/her role is/would be? They would almost certainly have to sign something to say they wouldn't reveal what went on in the board room so how could they be judged and what is the mechanism to remove them if the voters weren't happy? That is after accepting that decisions don't have to be made in the boardroom...
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct. on: October 04, 2021, 13:53:42 pm
Coaches and managers are the only ones who can end gamesmanship.
19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct. on: October 03, 2021, 22:55:35 pm
Interesting comments I will ask my wife of 45yrs for her opinion. Any outdated view point for me is impractical with two modern daughters to boot. So put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Do you see what I mean? The pipe is on the very periphery of modern smoking habits. I don't think your family make-up can prove an argument, do you? At any rate, by the sound of it your two modern daughters could conceivably have daughters of their own by now. Wouldn't you like them to have the opportunity of refereeing a football match if they chose to without men deciding they aren't up to it?
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Sutton (h) Sat 2nd Oct. on: October 03, 2021, 22:15:00 pm
Hartlepool v Cobbs
FGR v Salford
Exeter v Harrogate
Carlisle v Rochdale

Would not involve her with Sutton until she has clocked up a few more games!

Why Salford but not Sutton? Why Harrogate but not Sutton? Why should someone choose the games she can and can't officiate? Do you think perhaps that you have an outdated view of women?
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