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1  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Stats - Easier Games to come on: Yesterday at 18:59:58
Iíve been trying to use the much lauded formula to see if we are going to get promoted. Itís not going as well as Iíd hoped as I am still a bit confused, but reckon weíre a cert for the playoffs?
2  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Swindon (h) on: Yesterday at 05:47:38
From IFAB:

"The referee, assistant referees and fourth official are the Ďon-fieldí match officials."
"...the Ďon-fieldí match officials assist the referee with offences when they have a clearer view than the referee"
Do you mind. Itís very cathartic to abuse and criticise match officials and youíre ruining it.
3  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: The 'Clare Balding' POTS Swindon (h) 18th September 2021 on: September 19, 2021, 06:18:05 am
Koiki - the Bristol Rovers management team must have been on drugs.
4  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Swindon (h) on: September 19, 2021, 06:15:57 am
Just finished watching the game. The thing that is starting to come across more and more is the team spirit and unity. I noticed how we surrounded the ref at Newport for one of their bookings. Not perhaps the wisest response, but their was none of that last season. The goal celebrations seem to have gone up a notch too. All fairly obvious indicators that the players really care. Last year the squad in certain quarters seemed to be ever so slightly going through the motions by way of picking up a wage packet at times. This season there is more desire and passion all over the pitch. Although itís been said many times we also have whatís turning out to be a very good goalkeeper indeed. Iím not actually sure if his kicking is at times world class or my judgment has been clouded by Mitchell. That ball for Hoskins when he got booked was ridiculously unMitchell like.
5  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: NTFC Trust Presentation to WNC on: September 17, 2021, 01:10:58 am
Jon please can you play Etete and Kabamba up front Satdy.
Before I make my final decision how would you feel about BAS. Iím still rather unclear on your thoughts?
6  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: NTFC Trust Presentation to WNC on: September 16, 2021, 18:05:49 pm
Canít lose the anonymity on here. Iíve thought about meeting up with a load of contributors the next time Iím over. The trouble is as soon as that happens all of the social niceties, tactfulness and diplomacy kick in and the whole dynamic of the site would be lost forever. No more brutal honesty, just a load of pleasantries and treading on egg shells. Not for me thank you.

Jon Brady
7  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 13, 2021, 02:42:46 am
So letís imagine hypothetically Board member A and Board member B have an agenda or motive regarding the club. At this point in time they can get a likeminded individual straight onto the board unopposed. What if this is the case at the moment. My personal view is that at least the membership should be given the opportunity to vote and express opinions on each candidate prior to election. As a member there are many individuals I wouldnít have an opinion about. However, there are certain individuals I wouldnít want anywhere near the club or the Trust. Seems the right thing to do as far as I am concerned.
8  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: NTFC Trust Presentation to WNC on: September 13, 2021, 01:38:39 am
Ha ha that old chestnut, run away with your fingers in your ears.

Another discussion you have lost, sorry but in what planet or financial reckoning can you say that our owners and our football is in good condition???  I am not cherry picking facts, the facts are there, you really really really think it is better to rely on 1 75 year old non-football person who lives 4000 miles away, than 1000 lifelong supporters who live in the area (or have done)

TELL ME WHERE THIS £7M OF DEBT HAS BEEN SPENT, WHERE IT IS MUCH BETTER VALUE AND FINANCIAL ASTUTE?

Tell me how we are overall better off than Accrington, Plymouth, Exeter, FGR, Fleetwood, Peterborough, Luton, Millwall, Burnley, Lincoln, Oxford, Rochdale, Tranmere, Wycombe, etc etc etc

Tell me why I should be grateful we have KT and not Northampton owners?
What if youíre wrong Random. What if the Board get their wish and the owners decide to walk as they are not prepared to bankroll the club any longer. Can you, the Board and everyone else on that side of the fence guarantee the future of our club. Can you assure me and others like me there are plans in place and ready to go that confirm without hesitation that there are the financial resources to ensure the stability of NTFC. I hope you are right, I really do.

However, suppressing the opinion and attacking those that have concerns and a right to express them is unacceptable. To reiterate, the Board are influencing contractual negotiations that may affect the club in a profound manner. A possible outcome as you rightly point out is to seize the opportunity to secure assets in the hope of providing a better future for NTFC. Another very real possibility is that the owners become frustrated cut their losses and walk. If you, the Board and everyone else over in Shangri-la are able to placate and provide reassurance that the club we love isnít going to go down the Kermit as a result that would be very nice. However all I am seeing at the moment is plenty of posturing but nothing of any substance whatsoever. And donít keep rattling on about all these other examples. We are Northampton Town Football Club, what are we going to do and what resources and individuals do we have in place to guarantee it continues beyond the lovely dream you and everyone else like you keeps promising.

The Board of the trust better know what they are doing. They are currently acting without consulting the membership they were meant to represent. Further to this they were set up to ensure the future of the club and look after its interests. How ironic would it be if their actions resulted in the demise of the club. If this is the route they want to go down then they should do so with the endorsement of the membership and a workable plan for a an alternative. Currently they are doing neither IMO, and we all have a right to express our concerns and have them answered as a result. And thatís not just the members but the wider support base as it affects them too. This acting in isolation, we know best, keep quiet or face ridicule and contempt ainít no democracy, itís a dictatorship and it stinks to high heaven.

And no I wonít be tendering my resignation as a member of the Trust, Iím staying right where I am and will keep communicating my concerns to anyone whoís prepared to listen. A novel idea, itís called democracy.
9  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: NTFC Trust Presentation to WNC on: September 12, 2021, 18:28:29 pm
Itís perhaps worth pointing out that IMO it is also in the interests of the Trust board to act on the majority view of its membership. The fact is they are attempting to influence the outcome of a contractual deal of a considerable value. If this is done solely as an independent act by the board members themselves it leaves them open to all sorts of accusations. Particularly if they may be talking to other parties interested in taking over the club at some point. Doing so on the instruction of the majority of the members affords protection against this possibility as they are merely carrying out the memberships wishes. However, Iím sure the board would have considered this.
10  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 11, 2021, 10:23:22 am
Melly, sorry someone who has spent the last xxx months talking about money and investment and profit, I show you some balance sheet figures and off you go talking about a one off result  Grin

You are seriously saying that having money in the bank is a disadvantage - come on mate really. 

I would not also agree about access to financial resources - 1. They are a club run to to its means so shouldn't need too much more. 2. They have £1m more in their bank than us so... (i know its a snapshot, the previous year they had even more) 3. They have access possibly to 1000's of people for funds, us, we rely on one 75 year old bloke leaving in Dubai.

Agree shareholder funds possibly meaningless, i don't know, but a £6m swing must mean something.

I see you didn't mention the £5.2m difference in debt or similar in total assets?  Again its a massive massive difference at this level.

Their youth system I think has raised more funds than ours although we have not more success lately however if each club was to receive £1m tomorrow for a player, which club would be better off? Where would that £1m go?

Clutching at straws re league position.

I haven't demanded on field success, actually far from it, do i think Northampton is capable of supporting Championship / Premier League - absolutely, at this stage I am focused on the infrastructure and getting us into a position where we have options to move forward, like Swansea, Wycombe, Portsmouth, Brentford, Hearts, AFC Wimbledon and Exeter.

I posted before that I would be happy to finish 18th in L2 for a season or two if it meant we were developing our own players. KT's data led player committee video flip flopped between going for promotion and our youth, what happens?  we sign 2 youngsters on loan !!!!!!!!!!!!

You are right their model is outstanding, as are some of the others above, I just would like some more of our fans to consider some of these alternatives and ask, why not us?  (and think has our last 2 owners and their business model worked for us?)

Mate, this really isnít complicated. Hypothetically if we sold McWilliams for $10 million to Fulchester Rovers we would clear the debt and have a couple of million more than Exeter. So by your analogy in the unlikely senario that was to occur we would be more successful than Exeter. However, at the drop of a hat the owners could drain the bank and wander off into the sunset without a by your leave or thank you. So on that basis how is money in the bank any sort of advantage or security for us. Think about it.
11  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 10, 2021, 23:37:32 pm
Taken from June 2020 accounts

Cash in Bank     Us:  136,265       Exeter:   1,273,755   

Total Assets Less Current Liabilities:    Us: - 4,489,388   Exeter: +2,052,045

Debts (Creditors within 1 year)  Us 7,596,344    Exeter 2,202,777

Shareholder Funds   Us: -4,660,559    Exeter + 1,652,571

I have not cherry picked to suit, these are from the balance sheets.  Every single one we are not only getting beaten we are being thrashed.

So exactly how are Exeter - supporter owned, in a worse position than us with our want away land developer owners. Please please tell me



For the sake of conversation what would be the benefit of having more in the bank than Exeter. Our owners could walk away at anytime and pocket the money. A pointless figure, very much like the minus figure against the shareholder funds, means nothing. How are Exeter in a worse position, I would guess they have less access to financial resource than us. They havenít secured promotion as often as us, they are in a lower league position than us, their youth system hasnít had as much success as ours, Northampton 4 Exeter 0, easy to tenuously cherry pick to suit isnít it. I still think their model is comparatively outstanding though, although I am not convinced it will deliver the on field success you demand to match.
12  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: NTFC Trust Presentation to WNC on: September 10, 2021, 23:11:19 pm
B00bs?
Apart from that.
13  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: NTFC Trust Presentation to WNC on: September 10, 2021, 23:04:43 pm
Yeah of course it would be a disaster, I mean KT has been a dab hand at appointing managers hasn't he?  After all he's onto his 6th appointment. The 5th one was a classic, 20 years as a manager and not one promotion.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Obviously KT has Degrees in football management and club ownership, so is far more qualified than anyone from Northampton.

AGAIN ANOTHER REMINDER:  KT has made every decision, every presentation, every PR stunt with an annual income of approx £6m to use how he sees fit, the Trust have done all of their's on a budget of less than £10k, of which very very little of that has gone on marketing, website, presentations, graphic design etc etc. Yes I know it shows, and so do they, they are trying to improve that.

The Trust have not run up debts of £6m in 6 years with zero increase on the balance sheet (except debt of course),

Again look at the Exeter comparisions

Well, the lines of demarcation between the fan base appear to be as strong as ever dont they Random. You must see that the supporters being this divided can only prolong the status quo. This tennis match of attack and counter attack may be therapeutic in the short term, but itís hardly going anywhere is it. Genuinely what do you imagine motivates someone like me. Why do you imagine I am critical of the Trust Board and why do I adopt the position I do?

Itís a valid question because until we supporters truly understand each other and have some empathy with each others point of view then this pointless infighting and endless apathy will continue indefinitely. There will probably be no momentum building to take us anywhere from you, the Trust or anywhere else. For the sake of balance I will state what I think motivates you. Youíve obviously been following the club for years, have committed your time and energy into supporting the club through some dark times, mainly because you love the club like one of your own children. You are sick and tired of the club bumping along at the bottom going nowhere, achieving little and stagnating. The current owners have not really changed anything of significance since the early days of Sixfields and yet potentially stand to make a profit despite this lack of achievement. As a consequence you demand change that offers some hope for a brighter future. Anyone that objects or offers resistance to the change you demand, by default adds strength and support to the owners and enables the lack of progress to continue. I believe thatís an accurate summary and genuinely understand why you would think like that and have a fair amount of sympathy with that position. Now what do you think motivates someone like me?
14  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 09, 2021, 16:07:06 pm
Who said it was inappropriate?
You and your small band of cohorts seem to want to belittle the trust at every opportunity, perhaps you should get together and buy a chip shop, youíll never run out of raw materials.
Is it small band though Manny, Iím not so sure it is. Its not belittling to ask that your opinions are heard either. As I said suppressing opinions is not the way forward.
15  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 09, 2021, 14:16:54 pm
In that case get in touch with the Trust and express your views. Things don't change just because you want them to. Alternatively contact WNC or whoever personally and present your own opinion. Constantly undermining the only body that is making an effort in all of this shambles to highlight concerns by spouting negatives on a two-bit forum is pointless.
To be fair the observation is correct, despite being a lifetime member my opinion is insignificant and completely irrelevant. FYI I have emailed the Trust directly with my views upon receipt of their email. If the board are confident of their position then they should welcome any challenge to their position and the opportunity to respond, thatís how you build confidence and reassurance. Members that have concerns and fears have a right to voice them and have them addressed, thatís what inclusivity is all about. Somebody please tell me why this is inappropriate?
16  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Keith Curle on: September 09, 2021, 13:42:09 pm
even a broken clock is right twice
😂😂 very good
17  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 09, 2021, 13:21:19 pm
All this hypothetical backbiting is pointless and a bit like pÓssing in the sea, the trust is made up of fans and the fact of the matter is they are trying to get a better deal for the club.
Your like or quite obvious dislike of the trust is insignificant and completely irrelevant.
I am the Trust Manny, because Iím a member. The board members come and go but their job should be to represent the interests of the membership. They have never asked me to vote on anything ever, and that doesnít sit comfortably with me. Thatís my opinion and as a lifetime member Iím entitled. Not having a go mate
18  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 09, 2021, 12:48:44 pm
In terms of our recent history (post County Ground) it all went pear shaped the moment a 'mismanaged' (think we are safe to call it mismanaged) loan was handed over to Cardoza and the surrounding land became a bargaining chip. It would surely be less painful to take all of the land off the table, at least then we'd see where we are heading.
If only we did an MK and got some big boys on board to bankroll something a bit more special. Our backward thinking council(s) take the brunt for most of the towns issues, Sixfields and beyond.

I don't think KT and co are the anti-Christ that some make out but they are never going to create an exciting and progressive business and brand. They've had long enough to show some glimmers of that. All we have seen is that we are likely to bounce around the bottom leagues and generate debt. There is clearly an element that don't think they are entitled to make a personal profit off any land deal, without even taking the current debt back. That's not realistic.
As for assurances to the club, I'm not sure what this would look like, unless people want to see a % split?! We don't seem to be able to get to the bottom of past legal financial issues, so forget moral ones!

I really don't know what to think of the Trust. I don't buy the bit about having to run every angle past members because that is what an elected board is for.
If anyone is that passionate and believes the Trust is rotten and beyond reproach, then get together and set up a Trust mark 2.
Elected by who Tone, hands up any members who voted for the 2 recent additions to the board. I get that itís not that straightforward but I am just making the point that the board continually leave themselves wide open. For the record I think Simon comes across as a decent guy and given the chance I may well have voted for him. Not quite the point though is it?
19  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 09, 2021, 10:05:20 am
Sorry Melly, 1 more

So who would you model NTFC on?  What can be achieved?  What should be the ambition?  What would you advise?
Itís quite simple really Random, the difference between you and me is that your frustration at the lack of progress is slightly greater than you fear of losing the club. For me itís the other way around. Over the last 5 or 6 years the club has lost on average around a 100 grand a month give or take. There is nothing in the proposals of the board of the Trust that give me any sort of confidence that this financial gap can be bridged should the current owners walk for a pound. God forbid we g@mble our future on some white elephant stand and a few boxes when we canít fill the ground in the first place. We do not have the money to bank roll the club and carry out the kind of improvements in infrastructure that are being proposed. Until someone comes up with a business plan, model or call it what you will that comes even close to alleviating that concern Iím afraid Iím going to remain sceptical. Attempting to suppress my opinion and everyone else that has these concerns isnít going to unify the support base, and until that happens these proposals ainít going anywhere.
20  The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Redevelopment Closer Than Ever? on: September 09, 2021, 01:08:42 am
Having read the Trust presentation I am struggling to understand the position. Iíve lost count of the amount of times this has been said but there is no real offering to get past the current status quo. The owners are being what they are which is investors. That means their priority is to make a profit. The long term future of the club is, was and always will be of secondary importance. Most of the issues raised are down to the original Sixfields construction. To change that footprint takes finance and there isnít a sustainable plan to address this at the moment and build a convincing case for a return. For example, the board of the Trust put forward MK Dons as a model, but my understanding is that this was financed in no insignificant part by Asda and IKEA to circumvent planning issues. Again finance for profit being the underlying message. This makes this part of the presentation somewhat ironic. I wonít go through each case but you donít have to dig too deep to find flaws in the examples that make applying them to NTFC irrelevant.

If you have investor owners then you have to accept that their priority is profit. What is the realistic alternative at this time, the 50+1 model is a fine ambition but unless it applies to the entire EFL it is fraught with danger. The most likely outcome is a prince and pauper scenario with some clubs living the dream as a billionaires toy whilst the morally admirable clubs struggle at the bottom. Pointing out the flaws with the current NTFC model is one thing, but whereís the plan and long term strategy to push the club forward, there is absolutely no substance to anything that I can see. At the moment the most appropriate analogy I can come up with is that its like reading The Emperorís New Clothes and likewise someone could end up embarrassingly exposed.

The other difficulty with the Trust boards approach is that once again it could be argued that this was a presentation by 4 Trust members representing the view of 9 Trust members. There may be other Trust members that share this view but thats difficult to ascertain at this point. If I were one of the owners that would be the message I would convey to West Northants Council. At the moment it could be suggested that the Trust board are terrified of canvassing their own membership as it may affect the agenda of the 9 individuals on the board that represent the Trust. They attack the investors but the accusation remains that they are afraid of canvassing and representing their own membership. Right or wrong you see how this compromises the position of the board of the Trust. They continually neuter themselves and are exposed to this kind of attack. IMO this renders them insignificant and to some extent much like the Emperor horribly exposed. Unfortunately without the proven majority endorsement of their membership and the wider support base The Trust Board are significantly reducing their effectiveness. Shoot the messenger if you like but it wonít change the bleeding obvious. Iíve said it before, get the endorsement of the membership and the support base chaps, then people will fear you. Although in the event this happens itís still unclear what the alternative future holds at this point. On we go into the unknown.
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