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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: First season back table
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on: March 25, 2024, 20:39:52 pm
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Again, doesn't really help your argument. Carr's record does indeed include his disappointing final two seasons where we finished 20th and then followed that with relegation. Nevertheless his overall record is STILL better than Brady's, who has had two good seasons in the bottom tier and a successful season by all accounts this time round. Surprising that.
Again I’m not comparing Carr and Brady as cobblers managers in totality, we are just talking about that first full season in the third tier (clues in the title of the thread!), so their overall record is irrelevant. I was just comparing the two squads that finished their respective promotions from the fourth tier and thus the playing resources available to each going into that ‘first season back’. In isolation Carr went into the season with far better players (through previous great recruitment) and so expectation should be higher.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: League One 2023 Wage Bills
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on: March 25, 2024, 13:30:09 pm
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There are probably around 8-10 teams who have the lowest budgets in the league with not much between any of them, we are definitely one of them. Whether we are near the top or bottom of that group there probably isn’t a a big enough difference to give the teams a significant competitive advantage. Like as has already been said turnover is the key to pushing up the transfer budget, although the most important method and one we fail badly in compared to a lot of teams in the league hasn’t been mentioned, transfer income. Oxford have nearly raked in 20m in transfer income in the last 8 years to our 1M which equates to roughly an extra £2m a year of extra turnover.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: First season back table
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on: March 25, 2024, 13:05:26 pm
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Yes but Carr brought those players to the club in the same way Brady has his own team, apart from Hoskins of course who was already here but considering what a major influence he has become on the team and their success that hardly helps your argument.
Not at all, like I said it depends whether we are talking about their whole managerial reign or just their first season back. How well Carr did was purely based on the amazing work he had done prior to winning the league and the players he had previously bought in. Arguably post title win recruiting and that third tier campaign were a disappointment.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: First season back table
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on: March 25, 2024, 12:09:19 pm
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As for, "the resources at his disposal and the expectation going into the season", what a load of tosh. None of the managers had any resources and none of them were expected to do well going into their particular season. Apart from the Bowen promotion, i witnessed them all, don't try and rewrite history, or at least wait until those that lived through it are dead.
Really! Obviously the main component of resources at their disposal is the players at the club. Carr’s team were a force of nature and despite nearly getting 100 points and goals in their title win for me were only ever in third gear. So if we are just comparing their third tier campaigns the players each had when they finished their fourth tier campaigns were miles apart and despite Carr losing Hill I would have rather have had his players as a starting block than those Brady had.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: League One 2023 Wage Bills
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on: March 22, 2024, 13:15:56 pm
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Didn't KT say we were 18th or 19th?
Anyway, this annual list is flawed, includes loan players for whom we will never know what proportion (if any) we are paying for their wages, I think we can be pretty sure that NTFC are not paying Simpson £4.6k a week, or Leonard £3.9k a week.
It’s pure guesswork, like you say the loans aren’t accurate at all there is no way in the world Exeter are paying £16K a week for Muskwe
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: First season back table
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on: March 17, 2024, 11:42:12 am
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My opinion. I've enjoyed looking at the stats all season as I do think it's a fair reflection of how JB has fared against other managers attepting the same task.
The squads Brady and Carr have/had at their disposal is like chalk and cheese.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Grade the Cobblers
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on: March 17, 2024, 11:20:52 am
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Are we talking director loans here. In reality isn’t that just an accounting process. Lower league football teams are very rarely profitable and other than those that own the land their ground is on have very little in terms of assets. Even if the club is sold owners virtually never as far as I’m aware get these loans back.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch
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on: March 17, 2024, 09:40:48 am
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Yes, it was a gamble but if you don't buy a ticket, you can't win the jackpot.
Isn’t that the crux of it. While there is a mathematical chance then anything is possible to varying degrees of probability. What Lincoln are doing or our present form prove nothing about a potential future that never existed. It comes down to a philosophical choice, your lottery analogy is a good one. I would never say no to more money but choose not to do the lottery, even though someone is guaranteed to win the odds are too astronomical for me and I’d rather just use that money elsewhere. For you maybe that jackpot is worth buying tickets for. The whole debate has surely become tiresome now and whether Lincoln do or don’t make the playoffs is irrelevant and not worth talking about.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch
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on: March 16, 2024, 20:44:09 pm
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You do talk crap. We didn't make the play-offs because we didn't strengthen.
It's like me saying if you put sugar in your tea it will be sweeter and you saying it wouldn't, then not putting sugar in your tea and claiming you were right. Utter rubbish.
Wrexham and Carlisle two of the sides that invested most in January on their teams are both averaging less points per game after ‘strengthening’ than they were before. I guess sometimes you end up putting salt in your tea not sugar!.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch
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on: March 16, 2024, 20:25:14 pm
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The sad thing is that Lincoln didn't really do a lot in January either..... I mean its not like they splashed out thousands on transfer fees. They picked up a player upon completion of the League of Ireland season and therefore completion of his contract in Moylan, they picked up Joseph Taylor on loan from Luton after he had been recalled from his loan for the first half of the season at League 2 Colchester, and they got Conor McGrandles on loan from Charlton. They also recalled Freddie Draper from Walsall where he had been on loan and stuck him back in their team.
Yeah the Moylan deal had been done in the summer.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch
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on: March 16, 2024, 20:20:09 pm
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They've only been in league 1 for 4 years and only been back in the league for 6 years having spent a similar length of time in the non league wilderness. So you could say that we're far more established in the football league than them and have had the chance to build a squad with far more quality than theirs. We're similar sized clubs and I can't imagine they have a massive budget or splashed out stupidly to bolster their squad in the window. But they certainly managed to snap up some very good players and at least greatly improved the match day experience, scoring lots more goals , enticing more fans to the ground and giving themselves a decent chance of the play offs. Whereas we're going the other way. I'm with Marvo on this.
Turnover in players is that rapid that I don’t think it matters this is only their 7th season back in the league. We saw Lloyd Jones turn down more money with us to play in league one with Cambridge, so this is their fifth season with that advantage compared to our first. In terms of budget there probably isn’t a significant difference (though not sure manny will agree), but for probably a number of reasons at present there squad for me has far more quality than ours. If you believe that with Moulden in goal and the injuries that a couple of better signings (we did bring in Moore & Gape) would have produced a possible playoff place that’s fine but not for me, I’d rather see the money spent on next season’s campaign.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch
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on: March 16, 2024, 19:06:53 pm
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Of course there are no guarantees but that doesn't mean you just give up!
As for over achieving, well, if you say so. Maybe Atkins, Carr and Bowen overachieved, I'm not sure this counts. Worse run of form for three years.
It’s not about giving up it’s about how we spend our limited finances. As ntfclad said any extra money spent in this winter window would reduce next season’s budget. I was talking about the position we were in at the turn of the year with the quality of players at our disposal, which was definitely overachieving for me and perhaps why it’s not really a surprise that our form has dropped.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch
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on: March 16, 2024, 18:45:05 pm
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So you are all claiming that Lincoln are a bigger club than the Cobblers and can do things we can't? Okay, fair enough.
No but Lincoln are far more established in League 1 and have had the chance to build a squad with far more quality than ours. Up to January 1st we were massively overachieving while they were underperforming so there was far more scope for them to improve than us. Unfortunately we lost a keeper and replaced him with a massively inferior player. We have had a lot of injuries. Marriott a potential signing but out of our price range has done nothing at league 2 Wrexham. Carlisle have spent big and done nothing so it’s no guarantee you will improve.
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The Hotel End / Cobblers Corner / Re: Play-off watch
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on: March 16, 2024, 18:26:20 pm
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Wrong again Marvo, most people were saying it couldn't be done by NTFC, they have been proven right, alot of people don't care about other teams. Your just asking yourself looking like a mug.
Exactly this.
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