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« Reply #420 on: February 24, 2021, 10:24:08 am »

This is the issue though isn’t, the only options available are someone inexperienced either in time as a manager or at this level, or an experienced manager who has ultimately failed somewhere else at somepoint (they may also have achieved too, although Curle  hadn’t!)

Funny the bottom 3 in the prem have one of each of those types of manager!

As much I love the discussions, suggestions and rumours and constantly checking the new manager odds. I am resigned to the fact it will Brady until end of the season when we will be relegated and then bring in someone new. Albeit playing ‘nicer football than under Curle’

I hope I am wrong though.

I am intrigued to hear which manager we could realistically bring in that would keep us up with our current crop of players?
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« Reply #421 on: February 24, 2021, 10:40:28 am »

I can imagine Burton fans would have been saying a similar thing before JFH came in. They’ve now won 4 of their last 7 games, they’re the in-form team down the bottom and have a decent run of fixtures coming up. This situation is not irretrievable. I don’t buy into the idea that there is no one out there who can turn this around. It has been done many times before and will be done many times in the future. I appreciate there has been some improvement, but it needs to translate into points and quickly. I know it’s early but I’m starting to get Dean Austin vibes where we played better football but ultimately didn’t get the results. The novelty of a new more attractive style of play will wear off very quickly if it doesn’t translate into points/wins.

As I have said before, I have nothing against Brady and I do like the way he wants us to play. I am just not convinced he is the right man at this time. Happy to be proven wrong though. In any event, I don’t think the uncertainty of having a caretaker manager for too long is good for the team, particularly in this situation. So KT needs to make a decision after Swindon in my opinion. Regardless of whether it is to be Brady until the end of the season or an external, KT needs to act very soon.
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« Reply #422 on: February 24, 2021, 10:47:07 am »

"How is ANY manager going to get the strikers that we have to score goals ? At least under Brady we are creating chances which we failed to do under our previous, experienced, manager. Also the reason we have these duff strikers is down to that experienced managers recruitment.
     Yes, the second half last night was poor but it was a hard, bouncy pitch with a gail blowing and don't forget that we had loads of halfs a lot worse than that under our previous, experienced manager, with no chances created let alone missed.
 In my opinion Brady has made a great improvement in a very short time, also we have had very little time on the training ground with Sat- Tues - Sat games, so I'm prepared to cut him a bit of slack."

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« Reply #423 on: February 24, 2021, 10:48:27 am »

Brady now odds on
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« Reply #424 on: February 24, 2021, 10:53:05 am »

There's a certain ex Celtic manager now available, same level isn't it? Tongue  Cool
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« Reply #425 on: February 24, 2021, 10:56:44 am »

I am intrigued to hear which manager we could realistically bring in that would keep us up with our current crop of players?

No one knows for sure do they, it’s a guess.  Guardiola might not keep us up.  Holloway could come in and keep us up.

To be honest we may have stayed up under a Curle, we weren’t and arent adrift.  We are poor but so are 7 other teams.

Just to clarify, cannot stand Curle, didn’t want him, didn’t like him, football was dire, interviews were both arrogant and farcical and glad he has gone.

Like others have said, I have nothing against Brady, comes across well. Slight improvement in style.

But I do think it’s rose tinted because he comes from within.  Give him a chance, but then we get 2 pts in 4 games and now it’s the players and no one can keep us up.

The answer is just do something now and stick by it. Announce Brady or announce someone else and then just live by the decision.

If we were 15 points adrift or sitting in 12th it would be a no brainer.  But being 2pts from Safety we shouldn’t just be seeing what happens.
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« Reply #426 on: February 24, 2021, 11:05:22 am »

No one knows for sure do they, it’s a guess.  Guardiola might not keep us up.  Holloway could come in and keep us up.

To be honest we may have stayed up under a Curle, we weren’t and arent adrift.  We are poor but so are 7 other teams.

Just to clarify, cannot stand Curle, didn’t want him, didn’t like him, football was dire, interviews were both arrogant and farcical and glad he has gone.

Like others have said, I have nothing against Brady, comes across well. Slight improvement in style.

But I do think it’s rose tinted because he comes from within.  Give him a chance, but then we get 2 pts in 4 games and now it’s the players and no one can keep us up.

The answer is just do something now and stick by it. Announce Brady or announce someone else and then just live by the decision.

If we were 15 points adrift or sitting in 12th it would be a no brainer.  But being 2pts from Safety we shouldn’t just be seeing what happens.
Just fcuking wait Kelvin’s only on the 12th !
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« Reply #427 on: February 24, 2021, 11:16:40 am »

No one knows for sure do they, it’s a guess.  Guardiola might not keep us up.  Holloway could come in and keep us up.

To be honest we may have stayed up under a Curle, we weren’t and arent adrift.  We are poor but so are 7 other teams.

Just to clarify, cannot stand Curle, didn’t want him, didn’t like him, football was dire, interviews were both arrogant and farcical and glad he has gone.

Like others have said, I have nothing against Brady, comes across well. Slight improvement in style.

But I do think it’s rose tinted because he comes from within.  Give him a chance, but then we get 2 pts in 4 games and now it’s the players and no one can keep us up.

The answer is just do something now and stick by it. Announce Brady or announce someone else and then just live by the decision.

If we were 15 points adrift or sitting in 12th it would be a no brainer.  But being 2pts from Safety we shouldn’t just be seeing what happens.

Agree with a lot of this. I really don’t understand the ‘who out there could keep us up’ line that some fans keep stating. No manager you appoint is ever going to be a guaranteed success, but this idea of literally no one can save us is ridiculous.
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« Reply #428 on: February 24, 2021, 11:28:35 am »

I can imagine Burton fans would have been saying a similar thing before JFH came in. They’ve now won 4 of their last 7 games, they’re the in-form team down the bottom and have a decent run of fixtures coming up.
The difference is Burton have Lucas Akins, Kane Hemmings, Josh Parker and  Luke Varney, all proven strikers at this level or above, we have no one with this pedigree. Burton also have a squad of 38 players !!
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« Reply #429 on: February 24, 2021, 11:29:27 am »

I do wonder how thoroughly KT, Bower & Whiting have been going through the applications/made any approaches to under contract managers...

Can ntfclad give us any indication as to what's going on behind the scenes?
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« Reply #430 on: February 24, 2021, 11:36:15 am »

No one knows for sure do they, it’s a guess.  Guardiola might not keep us up.  Holloway could come in and keep us up.

To be honest we may have stayed up under a Curle, we weren’t and arent adrift.  We are poor but so are 7 other teams.

Just to clarify, cannot stand Curle, didn’t want him, didn’t like him, football was dire, interviews were both arrogant and farcical and glad he has gone.

Like others have said, I have nothing against Brady, comes across well. Slight improvement in style.

But I do think it’s rose tinted because he comes from within.  Give him a chance, but then we get 2 pts in 4 games and now it’s the players and no one can keep us up.

The answer is just do something now and stick by it. Announce Brady or announce someone else and then just live by the decision.

If we were 15 points adrift or sitting in 12th it would be a no brainer.  But being 2pts from Safety we shouldn’t just be seeing what happens.

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« Reply #431 on: February 24, 2021, 11:37:34 am »

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« Reply #432 on: February 24, 2021, 11:57:06 am »

No one knows for sure do they, it’s a guess.  Guardiola might not keep us up.  Holloway could come in and keep us up.

To be honest we may have stayed up under a Curle, we weren’t and arent adrift.  We are poor but so are 7 other teams.

Just to clarify, cannot stand Curle, didn’t want him, didn’t like him, football was dire, interviews were both arrogant and farcical and glad he has gone.

Like others have said, I have nothing against Brady, comes across well. Slight improvement in style.

But I do think it’s rose tinted because he comes from within.  Give him a chance, but then we get 2 pts in 4 games and now it’s the players and no one can keep us up.

The answer is just do something now and stick by it. Announce Brady or announce someone else and then just live by the decision.

If we were 15 points adrift or sitting in 12th it would be a no brainer.  But being 2pts from Safety we shouldn’t just be seeing what happens.


I agree, they should get on with it and announce Brady as permanent.

Btw, I would add that I think there is no way that Curle was going to turn the tide and keep them up. Also, did you follow Holloway's recent spell at Grimsby? That would be a shocker of an appointment.

I really feel that under Brady the chances we are making each game will eventually convert to goals. Underperforming on xG metrics hardly ever continues for more than 10-15 games. We have been the better side in the last 3 games and had better chances to win than Ipswich, MK and Rochdale. Yes, we might not stay up - which would be the failing of Curle, not Brady - but I'm confident Brady would put us in a position to return the following season.

I really cannot see that there are better, realistic options available to us. Paul Cook and the Cowleys cannot be considered as realistic. Who does that leave us with?
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« Reply #433 on: February 24, 2021, 12:00:05 pm »

The difference is Burton have Lucas Akins, Kane Hemmings, Josh Parker and  Luke Varney, all proven strikers at this level or above, we have no one with this pedigree. Burton also have a squad of 38 players !!

None of those strikers you mention have even scored since JFH joined except Hemmings, who has scored one goal which was in a 5-1 loss in JFH’s first game.

Their main problem was that they couldn’t defend. They’ve conceded more goals than nearly anyone else. Hasselbaink came in and they’ve kept three clean sheets in 7 games after not keeping a single clean sheet in the league all season. I wouldn’t say there’s much pedigree in the defence either. In fact, three of the back 4 that started for them yesterday have little pedigree at all. Managers can come in and get more out of players that previous managers couldn’t. Happens all the time and there’s no reason it couldn’t happen with us.
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« Reply #434 on: February 24, 2021, 12:11:09 pm »

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Got a couple of nibbles though.... Cool Grin Grin
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« Reply #435 on: February 24, 2021, 12:18:31 pm »

I do wonder how thoroughly KT, Bower & Whiting have been going through the applications/made any approaches to under contract managers...

Can ntfclad give us any indication as to what's going on behind the scenes?

They'll have done f*** all because they are waiting for Brady to win a game then will announce him. Cheapest option.
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« Reply #436 on: February 24, 2021, 12:19:40 pm »

I can imagine Burton fans would have been saying a similar thing before JFH came in. They’ve now won 4 of their last 7 games, they’re the in-form team down the bottom and have a decent run of fixtures coming up. This situation is not irretrievable. I don’t buy into the idea that there is no one out there who can turn this around. It has been done many times before and will be done many times in the future. I appreciate there has been some improvement, but it needs to translate into points and quickly. I know it’s early but I’m starting to get Dean Austin vibes where we played better football but ultimately didn’t get the results. The novelty of a new more attractive style of play will wear off very quickly if it doesn’t translate into points/wins.

As I have said before, I have nothing against Brady and I do like the way he wants us to play. I am just not convinced he is the right man at this time. Happy to be proven wrong though. In any event, I don’t think the uncertainty of having a caretaker manager for too long is good for the team, particularly in this situation. So KT needs to make a decision after Swindon in my opinion. Regardless of whether it is to be Brady until the end of the season or an external, KT needs to act very soon.

The addition of 12 new players more than the 'experience ' of hasselbaink id guess is the difference
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« Reply #437 on: February 24, 2021, 12:22:28 pm »


I agree, they should get on with it and announce Brady as permanent.

Btw, I would add that I think there is no way that Curle was going to turn the tide and keep them up. Also, did you follow Holloway's recent spell at Grimsby? That would be a shocker of an appointment.

I really feel that under Brady the chances we are making each game will eventually convert to goals. Underperforming on xG metrics hardly ever continues for more than 10-15 games. We have been the better side in the last 3 games and had better chances to win than Ipswich, MK and Rochdale. Yes, we might not stay up - which would be the failing of Curle, not Brady - but I'm confident Brady would put us in a position to return the following season.

I really cannot see that there are better, realistic options available to us. Paul Cook and the Cowleys cannot be considered as realistic. Who does that leave us with?

I wasn’t suggesting Holloway, it was just insert any manager who has recently failed badly in the lower league, to make a point.
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« Reply #438 on: February 24, 2021, 12:24:06 pm »

The addition of 12 new players more than the 'experience ' of hasselbaink id guess is the difference

Who signed those players?
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« Reply #439 on: February 24, 2021, 12:28:11 pm »

I honestly don’t remember a time when we’ve been looking for a new manager and there have been so few possible candidates suggestions on here.
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