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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2021, 19:14:37 pm »

I'd have liked for all ST holders to have their names on the anniversary shirt. Just because one fan can afford to donate to the club doesn't make that fan more loyal or more worthy.
But it's not about whether people can afford to or not, they spent the money last year and wouldn't be expecting anything back had we been allowed back in.
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2021, 19:19:05 pm »

But it's not about whether people can afford to or not, they spent the money last year and wouldn't be expecting anything back had we been allowed back in.

That's a fair argument mate.
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2021, 19:21:42 pm »

I have to say this is very fair indeed, well done to the club.
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2021, 20:07:51 pm »

. Those who were going to see it as free money to the club get a nice shirt and won’t cost the club a lot.
I don't think the shirts are free are they. the way I read it you still have to buy the shirt even if you forgo your refund. If that's the case I recon some people will say "I'll have my £140 refund and then buy a £50 shirt"
    I might be wrong , but isn't there quite a big mark up on replica shirts, so if the STH who don't ask was also offered a discount on the shirt, they would probably sell more.
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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2021, 20:09:34 pm »

I knew what I was signing up for when I bought my ticket, that it was unlikely I'd be at many, if any, matches this year, and quite frankly I'm glad to have not been there in person for most of the games this year. So I won't be after a refund.

Did you? How did anyone know at that stage?

In my case three of us in my household are season ticket holders, so will be requesting a refund or credit towards next seasons tickets. I haven't got money to throw away on a product I didn't receive.  
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2021, 20:14:41 pm »

I don't think the shirts are free are they. the way I read it you still have to buy the shirt even if you forgo your refund. If that's the case I recon some people will say "I'll have my £140 refund and then buy a £50 shirt"
    I might be wrong , but isn't there quite a big mark up on replica shirts, so if the STH who don't ask was also offered a discount on the shirt, they would probably sell more.

I think you're right about the shirts. All your getting is the name on the shirt as far as I can see. Well if you can actually see it, that is  Smiley 
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2021, 20:42:43 pm »

Did you? How did anyone know at that stage?

In my case three of us in my household are season ticket holders, so will be requesting a refund or credit towards next seasons tickets. I haven't got money to throw away on a product I didn't receive.  
a) Anybody could tell that this wasn't going to be cleared up in a couple of months.
b) So you would have had the money to spare had you gone to the matches?
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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2021, 21:22:44 pm »

A £140 ifollow pass being valued at £230 may cause a bit of a stir but at least they’re not taking the name off the back of your shirt  Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2021, 22:54:42 pm »

For me, the lone season ticket holder in my house, this seems very fair to offer a 40% refund or discount on next season. I will take up the discount. I've had ifollow and for all its faults at least it's meant I could still watch the home games (although often wish I hadn't bothered most of the time). I love that shirt. If the option of donating included a 'free' shirt too, I may have decided to do that.
The people who will lose out are those families that live together and watch one ifollow, or I suppose those that haven't taken up the free ifollow service. But they'll still get 40% refund or discount each.
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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2021, 23:13:20 pm »

Did you? How did anyone know at that stage?

In my case three of us in my household are season ticket holders, so will be requesting a refund or credit towards next seasons tickets. I haven't got money to throw away on a product I didn't receive.  

I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the money you couldn't spend on hotdogs and programmes.
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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2021, 23:17:20 pm »

I'm not going to get a credit or refund, that's my choice even though money is tight. Having been a sth since the 80's I'm happy to have a club especially during these difficult times. As for others their choice is their choice and whatever they choose is for them and them only, it doesn't make them any less of a supporter. Well done to the club for the options and I can't wait to see the shirt in the flesh.
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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2021, 09:28:10 am »

I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the money you couldn't spend on hotdogs and programmes.

So you've ordered and paid for a new television from Curry's and because of the Pandemic, the supply and delivery of the television was cancelled.  They won't give you a refund, they'll hang onto your money because the Pandemic might be over soon.
Don't worry though, they'll set up a video and charge you £5 per week, so that you can look at your television in the warehouse whilst you wait. Although you don't have the desire, the access, the opportunity and/or means to watch that video?

Now that the Pandemic is over, they have contacted you to say that it is now available for delivery but you'll have to pay for it again.  Don't worry though they'll give you a 40% discount because you've already given them the money for the television in the first place and they've provided a video that you didn't want.

Would you say that that is alright and that you'll pay the extra 60% and they can keep your original payment as well?

Curry's, like NTFC isn't a charity and a lot of people/families do not have a spare £2-300 (or more in TP's case) to donate to a charity let alone an organisation that they attend for 'entertainment' once a fortnight, that is primarily a business like any other.
I'm sure that they would much prefer to spend it on either themselves or the rest of their families, especially during this period of intense hardship.

I am not a STH, I could afford it if I was, but that doesn't mean that I would.
I wouldn't comment on anyone elses choice.
But the options needed to have included a full refund for those who want it.
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« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2021, 09:51:58 am »


Don't worry though, they'll set up a video and charge you £5 per week, so that you can look at your television in the warehouse whilst you wait.

I’m not sure that’s a fair analogy! more like being lent a tablet to actually watch tv while you wait for for your 50 inch surround sound tv, what your suggesting is more like if ifollow just showed a static picture of the outside of the ground while matches were played. I didn’t realise though that STH were actually charged to watch the streams, that should definitely have been free of charge to them.
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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2021, 09:58:23 am »

So you've ordered and paid for a new television from Curry's and because of the Pandemic, the supply and delivery of the television was cancelled.  They won't give you a refund, they'll hang onto your money because the Pandemic might be over soon.
Don't worry though, they'll set up a video and charge you £5 per week, so that you can look at your television in the warehouse whilst you wait. Although you don't have the desire, the access, the opportunity and/or means to watch that video?

Now that the Pandemic is over, they have contacted you to say that it is now available for delivery but you'll have to pay for it again.  Don't worry though they'll give you a 40% discount because you've already given them the money for the television in the first place and they've provided a video that you didn't want.

Would you say that that is alright and that you'll pay the extra 60% and they can keep your original payment as well?

Curry's, like NTFC isn't a charity and a lot of people/families do not have a spare £2-300 (or more in TP's case) to donate to a charity let alone an organisation that they attend for 'entertainment' once a fortnight, that is primarily a business like any other.
I'm sure that they would much prefer to spend it on either themselves or the rest of their families, especially during this period of intense hardship.

I am not a STH, I could afford it if I was, but that doesn't mean that I would.
I wouldn't comment on anyone elses choice.
But the options needed to have included a full refund for those who want it.

I also didn’t buy a ST this year but kind of agree with this and interested if football clubs will be tested by law. It clearly stems way beyond just our club.
I get the emotional contract for any football fan but struggle to see the difference to any tickets bought for events. If the multiple concerts I’m sitting on went ahead behind closed doors and I was offered to stream them and get a partial refund I wouldn’t be very happy. A couple have now been cancelled and you automatically get a refund.
It needs to be about choice.
The way the club seem to be prioritising those who choose to ‘donate’ the money is controversial too. People who bought ST’s could be in a totally different financial position now and could need the cash.
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« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2021, 10:15:58 am »

I also didn’t buy a ST this year but kind of agree with this and interested if football clubs will be tested by law. It clearly stems way beyond just our club.

This is pure supposition but with clubs going into the season knowing that large chunks of the season were very likely to be played without crowds I would be surprised if this wasn’t covered in the terms of season tickets.
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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2021, 10:31:50 am »

I’m not sure that’s a fair analogy! more like being lent a tablet to actually watch tv while you wait for for your 50 inch surround sound tv, what your suggesting is more like if ifollow just showed a static picture of the outside of the ground while matches were played. I didn’t realise though that STH were actually charged to watch the streams, that should definitely have been free of charge to them.

Semantics, but you get the gist of the analogy.
If that's the only comment, I'm content.  Wink

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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2021, 10:40:43 am »

This is pure supposition but with clubs going into the season knowing that large chunks of the season were very likely to be played without crowds I would be surprised if this wasn’t covered in the terms of season tickets.

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/premier-league-clubs-begin-refund-process-with-one-exception/

The law would override any T&C’s, although the 40% refund wouldn’t have been in them.
I do feel sorry for all the clubs who have suffered financially throughout, although the same could be said for so many businesses and families.
Saying people should have known they wouldn’t be able to attend games is a non-argument.

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« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2021, 11:14:27 am »

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/premier-league-clubs-begin-refund-process-with-one-exception/

The law would override any T&C’s, although the 40% refund wouldn’t have been in them.
I do feel sorry for all the clubs who have suffered financially throughout, although the same could be said for so many businesses and families.
Saying people should have known they wouldn’t be able to attend games is a non-argument.



That’s interesting, while nobody knew exactly how things would pan out, the vast majority of matches behind closed doors was definitely possible and probably likely. I wonder if clubs were ridiculously optimistic about the season or just relying on the goodwill of fans not to want refunds. Maybe clubs should have mothballed for a season and stuck everyone on furlough.
 
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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2021, 11:46:20 am »

That’s interesting, while nobody knew exactly how things would pan out, the vast majority of matches behind closed doors was definitely possible and probably likely. I wonder if clubs were ridiculously optimistic about the season or just relying on the goodwill of fans not to want refunds. Maybe clubs should have mothballed for a season and stuck everyone on furlough.
 

The Industry needs television money, sales of merchandise etc as well as gate money. Clubs like ourselves get persuaded to continue playing to keep their assets fit (the players) and most pertinently to keep the funds from the premier league/sky etc flowing in. No product = no income.

FWIW I didn't buy a season ticket because of the possibility of games going behind closed doors though I did expect season ticket holders to be given access to all games not just the home league ones. 
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« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2021, 12:28:52 pm »

If a shop I like goes under I’d then shop at another similar outlet to get what I need.
If the cobblers went under I probably wouldn’t find another although I love football.

Does KT take a salary out of NTFC? Just curious

I’ll probably take the option of discount towards next season regardless of division.
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