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« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2021, 17:24:12 pm »

Do we know when the club will actually tell us how much the season tickets will cost next season? Id imagine theres a few just waiting on that to make their decision on what to do.
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« Reply #81 on: March 29, 2021, 19:17:34 pm »

Suspect nearer the time we know which division weíll be playing in.... 6 weeks until the end of the season.
Will be easier to justify a price increase if we stay up....if we go down and the prices go up that will not go down well Iíd assume....?
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« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2021, 23:08:15 pm »

Suspect nearer the time we know which division weíll be playing in.... 6 weeks until the end of the season.
Will be easier to justify a price increase if we stay up....if we go down and the prices go up that will not go down well Iíd assume....?
To be honest the apathy that runs through the whole club no one give a sh1t, supporters, players, chairman even the fans!
Tone from the top!
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« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2021, 09:35:44 am »

I know that the trust have contacted the club on behalf of some disgruntled supporters & made them aware the whole "elite" supporter element is totally unacceptable & were expecting the club to make a statement clarifying this...this was over two weeks ago so I guess then club are not reconsidering anything from their original statement..absolutely disgraceful imo!
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« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2021, 11:43:46 am »

I just really want to get back in the ground and watch bloody football. For all the cr@p that goes on around it, my greatest love is that 90 minutes.

I know there are a ton of issues around the redev and huge political implications in the fore. But putting all of that aside, there has to be a way of doing it safely now.
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« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2021, 11:59:17 am »

I know that the trust have contacted the club on behalf of some disgruntled supporters & made them aware the whole "elite" supporter element is totally unacceptable & were expecting the club to make a statement clarifying this...this was over two weeks ago so I guess then club are not reconsidering anything from their original statement..absolutely disgraceful imo!
Itís pretty obvious that the club holds the trust in utter contempt, the voice of the fans, says it all really.
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« Reply #86 on: March 30, 2021, 13:39:28 pm »

Was the stipulation that at take over a Trust representative be restored to the NTFC board part of the agreement something I dreamed, or has it just been ignored/forgotten about?
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« Reply #87 on: March 30, 2021, 13:59:11 pm »

Itís pretty obvious that the club holds the trust in utter contempt, the voice of the fans, says it all really.


I am not sure I agree that the trust are the voice of the fans, I know a lot of fans who will not have anything to do with them. I guess there is still some guilt by association where they were on board with Cardoza and didn't highlight any problems until it had come from various other sources. I am not saying there isn't a role for the trust I just wonder how many fans see the trust as their voice. Many would probably say that one of various facebook groups are their voice.
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« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2021, 14:22:14 pm »

I am not sure I agree that the trust are the voice of the fans, I know a lot of fans who will not have anything to do with them. I guess there is still some guilt by association where they were on board with Cardoza and didn't highlight any problems until it had come from various other sources.

I am amazed that we have fans "who will not have anything to do with Trust" , an organisation where the board are 100% NTFC fans standing to make no financial gain on any activities , but implicitly trust owners who have publicly stated that they are NOT NTFC fans and stand to make substantial amounts off future land deals. 
        What the anti Trust people don't mention is that it is a 100% democratic organisation and if the members don't like things the Trust is doing, they can change it. Of course it's the voice of the fans, obviously the more people join the louder the voice, but the only alternatives are a few people who run a semi redundant bus club or half a dozen people who run the various social media sites, none of which are democratic.

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« Reply #89 on: March 30, 2021, 14:50:15 pm »

I am not sure I agree that the trust are the voice of the fans, I know a lot of fans who will not have anything to do with them. I guess there is still some guilt by association where they were on board with Cardoza and didn't highlight any problems until it had come from various other sources. I am not saying there isn't a role for the trust I just wonder how many fans see the trust as their voice. Many would probably say that one of various facebook groups are their voice.


I cannot understand this at all. Why would fans not have anything to do with them? They are the central platform for fans of the club. Anybody can join and anybody can get involved and therefore change what they do if they want. If they are seriously anti-Trust then there is more to it. Are these 'Facebook Groups' elected? Are they accountable? Are they transparent? From what I have seen of Facebook they are almost certainly self-serving.
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« Reply #90 on: March 30, 2021, 15:11:06 pm »

I cannot understand this at all. Why would fans not have anything to do with them? They are the central platform for fans of the club. Anybody can join and anybody can get involved and therefore change what they do if they want. If they are seriously anti-Trust then there is more to it. Are these 'Facebook Groups' elected? Are they accountable? Are they transparent? From what I have seen of Facebook they are almost certainly self-serving.
Agree with this entirely.
Cannot see how any FB group represents the fanbase more than the Trust, never mind actually doing anything for the fans or club. Usually a collection of banal at best, smart arse at worst comments!
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« Reply #91 on: March 30, 2021, 15:14:53 pm »

I am amazed that we have fans "who will not have anything to do with Trust" , an organisation where the board are 100% NTFC fans standing to make no financial gain on any activities , but implicitly trust owners who have publicly stated that they are NOT NTFC fans and stand to make substantial amounts off future land deals. 
        What the anti Trust people don't mention is that it is a 100% democratic organisation and if the members don't like things the Trust is doing, they can change it. Of course it's the voice of the fans, obviously the more people join the louder the voice, but the only alternatives are a few people who run a semi redundant bus club or half a dozen people who run the various social media sites, none of which are democratic.



100% agree

Will even one of the anti-trust keyboard warriors tell us what alternative they propose !
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« Reply #92 on: March 30, 2021, 15:57:33 pm »

I am amazed that we have fans "who will not have anything to do with Trust" , an organisation where the board are 100% NTFC fans standing to make no financial gain on any activities , but implicitly trust owners who have publicly stated that they are NOT NTFC fans and stand to make substantial amounts off future land deals. 
        What the anti Trust people don't mention is that it is a 100% democratic organisation and if the members don't like things the Trust is doing, they can change it. Of course it's the voice of the fans, obviously the more people join the louder the voice, but the only alternatives are a few people who run a semi redundant bus club or half a dozen people who run the various social media sites, none of which are democratic.



I don't think it is a case of people necessarily being anti trust, just because they don't support them. Likewise there is no need to run down other supporters outlets with comments like semi redundant bus club or your comment about the social media sites. I also don't think people outside of the trust support the owners, I agree the owners are in it to make a profit and tbh I would like to see them gone, but running down other supporters organisations isn't the right way to go. How many members do the trust have? just done a quick check on the hotelenders - 2900 members, shoe army 1000 members, granted these aren't all active but then neither are the trust members. All I was pointing out was that not everyone who supports NTFC has to support the trust.
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« Reply #93 on: March 30, 2021, 16:15:02 pm »

I don't think it is a case of people necessarily being anti trust, just because they don't support them. Likewise there is no need to run down other supporters outlets with comments like semi redundant bus club or your comment about the social media sites.
I'm not running them down at all, I'm just pointing out that they are not democratic. I have used all travel clubs in the past, but to be honest, I think it's going to be very different for all of them post Covid, that's why I described them as "semi redundant". Good luck to them all.
  I read most of the social media sites on FB but, again, they are not democratic, they are influenced and run by their owners. The Trust are the only group of fans at NTFC that is anything like democratic. No they are not perfect, which they are well aware of, but you say there are people who "they don't support the Trust", I'd love to know why? 
    An open question to all, I know there are people on here who are very anti Trust, what are you reasons for being anti?, what could the Trust do to change your view?   Serious question, because as in all walks of life, people are stronger together and we are all fans of NTFC aren't we ?
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« Reply #94 on: March 30, 2021, 17:12:13 pm »

I don't think it is a case of people necessarily being anti trust, just because they don't support them. Likewise there is no need to run down other supporters outlets with comments like semi redundant bus club or your comment about the social media sites. I also don't think people outside of the trust support the owners, I agree the owners are in it to make a profit and tbh I would like to see them gone, but running down other supporters organisations isn't the right way to go. How many members do the trust have? just done a quick check on the hotelenders - 2900 members, shoe army 1000 members, granted these aren't all active but then neither are the trust members. All I was pointing out was that not everyone who supports NTFC has to support the trust.

I wonder how many "members" Hotelenders or Shoe Army would have if people had to pay to join? Not comparing like with like when talking about numbers of Facebook group members vs Trust members.....the majority of whom are life members and paid £50 each to be so.
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« Reply #95 on: March 30, 2021, 20:45:00 pm »

I wonder how many "members" Hotelenders or Shoe Army would have if people had to pay to join? Not comparing like with like when talking about numbers of Facebook group members vs Trust members.....the majority of whom are life members and paid £50 each to be so.
You might be on to something there Grange.
I know yearly membership of the Trust is hardly expensive, but if supporters could join free of charge (with voluntary donations accepted) it might help to increase the feeling of inclusivity and swell the numbers?
As a life member I would have mo problem with that.
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« Reply #96 on: March 30, 2021, 21:22:04 pm »

Unless Jeema is the leader I ainít interested, unless itís Mr Cadden then maybe.
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« Reply #97 on: March 30, 2021, 21:53:54 pm »

Unless Jeema is the leader I ainít interested, unless itís Mr Cadden then maybe.
Work is being done tirelessly, to have Mr Cadden return as a guest speaker to celebrate the inauguration of page 1415 of the Redevelopment Thread.
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« Reply #98 on: March 31, 2021, 18:05:43 pm »

Unless Jeema is the leader I ainít interested, unless itís Mr Cadden then maybe.
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« Reply #99 on: March 31, 2021, 18:41:02 pm »

On a turnover of £5.376m, how much of that do we think is season ticket revenue?
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