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« Reply #920 on: June 11, 2021, 10:35:10 am »

Canít promise not over 31, Neal Eardley released by Burton, Chucks Aneke released by Charlton or Kieran Agard released by MK Dongs.
They all will cost money so none will happen.

Neal Eardley is 32, and last season couldn't get into the Burton team so went out on loan to Barrow in L2 where he managed only 4 appearances. That wouldn't even be a good signing let alone a marquee signing! Would cost nothing so you're talking rubbish.

Kieran Agard didn't play a single minute in the league for MK Dons last season. He only managed 2 goals in 19 games the year before that. Why on earth would we want him? Would cost nothing so you're talking rubbish again.

Chuks Aneke I agree would be a marquee signing. He's also a star player for a L1 team that will be top half next season and he is wanted by Coventry, amongst others, in the Championship. There is zero chance of him signing for us at this moment in time.

I'm sorry but these are poor suggestions and show that you shouldn't be writing the new signings off already; they're far more considered then the suggestions you've offered there. Have a bit of faith!
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« Reply #921 on: June 11, 2021, 10:46:37 am »

It's all a **** **** at this level. We'll see 5 weeks into the season how the team is, might be great, might be awful, might be mediocore. Until then the speculation is almost as wrong as it is right.

Hailed as good signings last year: Joseph Mills, Luke Racic, Cian Bolger, Benny Ashley-Seal
Met with  Huh? : Missilou, Horsfall, Ricky Korboa
Met with drab enthusiasm : Loyd Jones, Nuttall

So, basically no correlation whatsoever between what we thought of the signings and how they got on.

Exactly. At our level (especially league 2) with let's say a 'competitive' budget, it's a pure lottery. The majority of any names signed by us are going to be unknown to the majority of us, unless you are some lower league player specialist. Sure, sign a striker with 3 goals in 100 games and it gives you a decent insight. Most players however have mixed form and polarize opinion, we have more than enough first hand experience of that. Any show reel makes a player look like Messi, others that leave with scathing reviews become your talisman. We're never going to be dealing in the well known names around the Prem and Championship, or players on that trajectory. I think that is why we gravitate to some ex-players so much, because we know them. Lewis could become the new JJOT.

Ultimately we will have very little idea until a ball is kicked in anger and they have a few competitive league games to see what we are in for.
I'm just pleased it will be a different squad to the crap endured last season. Enough of the old crap, let's have some new crap!  Grin

 
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« Reply #922 on: June 11, 2021, 10:49:29 am »

Wether you like it or not the qua;ity will probably come from loans.
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« Reply #923 on: June 11, 2021, 10:59:57 am »

Neal Eardley is 32, and last season couldn't get into the Burton team so went out on loan to Barrow in L2 where he managed only 4 appearances. That wouldn't even be a good signing let alone a marquee signing! Would cost nothing so you're talking rubbish.

Kieran Agard didn't play a single minute in the league for MK Dons last season. He only managed 2 goals in 19 games the year before that. Why on earth would we want him? Would cost nothing so you're talking rubbish again.

Chuks Aneke I agree would be a marquee signing. He's also a star player for a L1 team that will be top half next season and he is wanted by Coventry, amongst others, in the Championship. There is zero chance of him signing for us at this moment in time.

I'm sorry but these are poor suggestions and show that you shouldn't be writing the new signings off already; they're far more considered then the suggestions you've offered there. Have a bit of faith!
Neal Eardley would be an excellent signing FFS have you seen what we are currently signing 😂 he was outstanding at Lincoln and would add the experience we need. As for Agard heís scored 40 goals in 108 appearances for MK dons?
I have no clue who you think we will sign but if you think they will be better than what I suggested your the one talking rubbish pal.
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« Reply #924 on: June 11, 2021, 11:02:59 am »

Wether you like it or not the qua;ity will probably come from loans.

Almost certainly - unless KT loosens the purse strings.
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« Reply #925 on: June 11, 2021, 11:03:05 am »

Wether you like it or not the qua;ity will probably come from loans.
Agreed very debatable how well loans work, itís a pŻnt in terms of attitude.
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« Reply #926 on: June 11, 2021, 11:09:31 am »

Neal Eardley would be an excellent signing FFS have you seen what we are currently signing 😂 he was outstanding at Lincoln and would add the experience we need. As for Agard heís scored 40 goals in 108 appearances for MK dons?
I have no clue who you think we will sign but if you think they will be better than what I suggested your the one talking rubbish pal.
Point is...... you HAVENíT seen what weíve currently signed, have you?
Have you read any previous message, pretty much saying the same thing.
Youíre judging players you know absolutely nothing about,
Give them a bloody chance, Jesus!!!!
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« Reply #927 on: June 11, 2021, 11:10:44 am »

Neal Eardley would be an excellent signing FFS have you seen what we are currently signing 😂 he was outstanding at Lincoln and would add the experience we need. As for Agard heís scored 40 goals in 108 appearances for MK dons?
I have no clue who you think we will sign but if you think they will be better than what I suggested your the one talking rubbish pal.

Can you read? Agard has 2 goals in the last 2 seasons! Eardley might have been an excellent signing 5 years ago, certainly not now - he couldn't hold down a starting place for either Burton or Barrow last year. If you think that we could sign Aneke in L2 when there is Championship interest then you are plain wrong.

I'm glad you're not in charge because you talk absolute garbage! One of the players I suggested about a week ago was Pinnock, and low and behold he has signed for us since then. So yes I think I'm closer to realism on this than you are.
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« Reply #928 on: June 11, 2021, 11:19:19 am »

Can you read? Agard has 2 goals in the last 2 seasons! Eardley might have been an excellent signing 5 years ago, certainly not now - he couldn't hold down a starting place for either Burton or Barrow last year. If you think that we could sign Aneke in L2 when there is Championship interest then you are plain wrong.

I'm glad you're not in charge because you talk absolute garbage! One of the players I suggested about a week ago was Pinnock, and low and behold he has signed for us since then. So yes I think I'm closer to realism on this than you are.
Thereís no need to be rude, you wouldnít dare say it to my face so please refrain from acting hard on a forum.
Letís just agree to disagree, I have no wish to argue with fellow supporters.
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« Reply #929 on: June 11, 2021, 11:29:01 am »

Thereís no need to be rude, you wouldnít dare say it to my face so please refrain from acting hard on a forum.
Letís just agree to disagree, I have no wish to argue with fellow supporters.

I wasn't being rude, and given that you're trying to intimidate me now it's clearly you who is trying to 'act hard'.
Happy to agree to disagree.
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« Reply #930 on: June 11, 2021, 11:30:05 am »

I'm in the 'it's a lottery' camp.
Sure you can assess their physical characteristics and fitness history, but in terms of playing ability they will all be much of a muchness at this level...players that aspired to higher levels and for whatever reason have found themselves at league 2 level. Good management, tactics (being played in their best position) will be as big a factor as anything.
Then you have the youngsters like Benny Seal with no history who you have to take a total punt on.
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« Reply #931 on: June 11, 2021, 11:30:31 am »

I wasn't being rude, and given that you're trying to intimidate me now it's clearly you who is trying to 'act hard'.
Happy to agree to disagree.
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« Reply #932 on: June 11, 2021, 11:47:23 am »

I must have missed the interview where it mentioned we were taking a more data lead approach. I enjoy looking at the data occasionally so had a look at some extremely basic criteria to see where Lewis featured against his peers last season. There were 72 players that played more than 2000 minutes in CDM/CM/. All the stats I look at are pro rata'd to per 90 minutes.

There are a ton of things that come into it such as style of play etc, but these are just the raw numbers as may be of some interest to someone.

Lewis played in a variety of positions last season. 548 mins at CAM, ST for 238, and 2545 in CM/CDM. 5 of his 6 league goals actually came from when he was playing in CM which is interesting so that is why I am comparing him to other CM's as thats where he logged is most minutes.

Of those the ones where Lewis features very highly is Aerial duels he featured in the 4th most of those players at 8.95 a game (average of 4.3).His win percentage was 47.08% which is about 3% better than average.

His XG (expected goals I know is hated by some) was 6th in the league from CM at 0.22 per game (average was 0.08).

Other main positive, touches of the ball in the box he ranked 5th of the CM's in L2 last season.

So a midfielder who is aerially combative and has the ability to chip in with the odd goal. His passing stats are very low in terms of volumes so does not seen to particularly dictate play, especially in a Tranmere side that had a lot of the ball. He attempted very low numbers and the average length of those passes was the lowest of the sample size.

Would rather see him at CM I think and arrive late than play further forward ALA where we put Watson last season. Unlikely to create a large amount judging from his figures, not exactly expansive in his passing. But at this level I dont think that is an issue, get the ball to our creative players and get in the box!

We know Sean is fantastic at this level at interceptions, tackles etc which will hopefully allow Lewis to get forward where he seems to be good at coming into the box, bodies in the box is something we never seemed to do well at last season so I see the benefit.

So does he jump off the page as a marquee signing, not really. Could he be a solid player that could get us 6-8 goals from midfield, yes. With so many more additions to come seems fine to me, no reason to meltdown at the very least!
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« Reply #933 on: June 11, 2021, 11:56:48 am »

I must have missed the interview where it mentioned we were taking a more data lead approach. I enjoy looking at the data occasionally so had a look at some extremely basic criteria to see where Lewis featured against his peers last season. There were 72 players that played more than 2000 minutes in CDM/CM/. All the stats I look at are pro rata'd to per 90 minutes.

There are a ton of things that come into it such as style of play etc, but these are just the raw numbers as may be of some interest to someone.

Lewis played in a variety of positions last season. 548 mins at CAM, ST for 238, and 2545 in CM/CDM. 5 of his 6 league goals actually came from when he was playing in CM which is interesting so that is why I am comparing him to other CM's as thats where he logged is most minutes.

Of those the ones where Lewis features very highly is Aerial duels he featured in the 4th most of those players at 8.95 a game (average of 4.3).His win percentage was 47.08% which is about 3% better than average.

His XG (expected goals I know is hated by some) was 6th in the league from CM at 0.22 per game (average was 0.08).

Other main positive, touches of the ball in the box he ranked 5th of the CM's in L2 last season.

So a midfielder who is aerially combative and has the ability to chip in with the odd goal. His passing stats are very low in terms of volumes so does not seen to particularly dictate play, especially in a Tranmere side that had a lot of the ball. He attempted very low numbers and the average length of those passes was the lowest of the sample size.

Would rather see him at CM I think and arrive late than play further forward ALA where we put Watson last season. Unlikely to create a large amount judging from his figures, not exactly expansive in his passing. But at this level I dont think that is an issue, get the ball to our creative players and get in the box!

We know Sean is fantastic at this level at interceptions, tackles etc which will hopefully allow Lewis to get forward where he seems to be good at coming into the box, bodies in the box is something we never seemed to do well at last season so I see the benefit.

So does he jump off the page as a marquee signing, not really. Could he be a solid player that could get us 6-8 goals from midfield, yes. With so many more additions to come seems fine to me, no reason to meltdown at the very least!

Very good post! Don't suppose you fancy doing the same for Kabamba and Pinnock too do you?   Wink
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« Reply #934 on: June 11, 2021, 11:59:32 am »

Good thereís not enough Cobblers as it is without them falling out with each other over nothing 👍

That is sadly true, no hard feelings! 👍
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« Reply #935 on: June 11, 2021, 12:22:29 pm »

Yeah we were in L1, imagine if we hadnít invested we would have been relegated by Christmas.
Not to mention we changed managers etc.
Are you seriously suggesting signing quality players doesnít work?

We were relegated with those players, we started the following season with Facey, Pierre, Turnbull, Van Veen and Crooks and finished 15th.
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« Reply #936 on: June 11, 2021, 12:30:13 pm »

Very good post! Don't suppose you fancy doing the same for Kabamba and Pinnock too do you?   Wink

Thanks, glad someone found it interesting, a lot of people hate numbers haha. Happy to do so, but there will likely be a big disparity in the figures as players for Celtic / Rangers and the other bigger sides will likely dominate, still it will be interesting to look!
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« Reply #937 on: June 11, 2021, 13:12:53 pm »

Thanks, glad someone found it interesting, a lot of people hate numbers haha. Happy to do so, but there will likely be a big disparity in the figures as players for Celtic / Rangers and the other bigger sides will likely dominate, still it will be interesting to look!
Very interesting mate, perhaps you should ring the club and offer yourself as a data analysis expert.
In business you would never invest without looking at the numbers so why be any different in football.
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« Reply #938 on: June 11, 2021, 13:14:37 pm »

The 3 new signings are all over 6ft tall, are we going back to adopting KC's aerial attack tactics?
Eardley was very good when we had him on loan and that would have been the time to sign him. However, we had 2 right backs ( Moloney and Phillips) who were both out injured so it was not going to happen. His best days are behind him.
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« Reply #939 on: June 11, 2021, 13:17:11 pm »

I wasn't being rude, and given that you're trying to intimidate me now it's clearly you who is trying to 'act hard'.
Happy to agree to disagree.

You said he couldn't read Grin.  Its all about opinions, hard I know.  Good to see you both came to an amicable agreement. But one thing we all agree on we need a few quality signings  Cool
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