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Summer 2021 Transfer Window

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« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2021, 11:59:37 am »

Both players should have been given improved terms 2 months ago but the club was tardy .
They will now both go for free i would imagine unless the captaincy and improved wages manage to persuade Jones .
If Hull and Blackpool want you , we have no chance and will get nought as usual .
Reference Oliver last season.

Two months ago we didn't know which division we were going to be in?
Two months ago, the players could have been offered an opportunity to discuss new terms but declined or indicated that they would wait?
After a 4 goal season, would we have really been busting a gut to retain him (Oliver), especially as he already indicated unofficially that he was staying?

People like to blame clubs for contracts running out.  But they can't do anything if the player and/or agent wants to let their contract run out and see what comes.  
Unless the player isn't confident of attracting attention from other clubs, the players are always on a win/win situation.
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« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2021, 12:00:12 pm »

Both players should have been given improved terms 2 months ago but the club was tardy .
They will now both go for free i would imagine unless the captaincy and improved wages manage to persuade Jones .
If Hull and Blackpool want you , we have no chance and will get nought as usual .
Reference Oliver last season.
Maybe they did. If Jones and Watson know they will have offers from other clubs, they are unlikely to be signing new contracts two months before the end of the season. Why would they.
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« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2021, 12:04:30 pm »

Jones interview post match yesterday was definitely an awkward one for him, he's 90% certain to be off but didnt want to say so.
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« Reply #63 on: May 10, 2021, 12:08:44 pm »

I would also like Jones to stay but think he will get better offers elsewhere. Let's not forget several posters were luke warm when he returned because of his performances the previous season when he was not 100% fit.He chose not to stay for the play offs because wanted to make himself available for offers.
He probably will get better offers but how much better? I think I heard he lives in MK so if the likes of Oxford, Wycombe or Pish came in for him, with a better offer, he would go. But if the better offer is Gillingham, Cheltenham, Shrewsbury or Doncaster, it's got to be considerably better to justify the extra travel or moving costs when most clubs only give out 2 year contracts.
    All said and done, it's just a job for the players, they are not as attached to the club as we are.
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« Reply #64 on: May 10, 2021, 12:21:39 pm »

He probably will get better offers but how much better? I think I heard he lives in MK so if the likes of Oxford, Wycombe or Pish came in for him, with a better offer, he would go. But if the better offer is Gillingham, Cheltenham, Shrewsbury or Doncaster, it's got to be considerably better to justify the extra travel or moving costs when most clubs only give out 2 year contracts.
    All said and done, it's just a job for the players, they are not as attached to the club as we are.

You're last line sums it up, they are just like the rest of us regarding employment.  Cool
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« Reply #65 on: May 10, 2021, 12:36:20 pm »

They are indeed, I was forced to ear one while watching the AFL at the MCG, the pies are massive as well!

And he looked up in pained surprise at the concrete hardened crust, of a stale Four n Twenty caught him in the ear and Manny hit the dust?
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« Reply #66 on: May 10, 2021, 12:40:17 pm »

I think there are many other factors as well as just the league the team is in. Doyle turned down a contract at league 1 Swindon to move to league 2 Bolton. Also L Jones was one of many decent players unable to get a club until Christmas missing out on half a year’s salary. Wage, length of contract, location, likelihood of first team football and manager are just a few other factors.
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« Reply #67 on: May 10, 2021, 13:10:15 pm »

This talk about Jones and Watson is getting boring, they will both be gone before the start of next season , if they have admirers higher up the Footie Pyramid then they will be off like with the Oliver situation last season money talks and Cobblers track record of late in competing against other clubs for players signatures is poor. Just accept the situation and move on.
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« Reply #68 on: May 10, 2021, 13:28:15 pm »

not even sure watson would be missed that much - goes missing on far too many occasions and has proved time and time again he isn't good enough for league 1 and probably thinks he is too good for league 2
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« Reply #69 on: May 10, 2021, 13:29:27 pm »

Aren’t we in danger here of making it sound like they’re Virgil van Dyk and Kevin DeBruyne - Jones didn’t have a club until after Christmas but admittedly has been good for us for 5 months and Watson has been decent at times this season - and gone missing at others - but he has done the rounds without ever really cutting it anywhere longer than a season?
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« Reply #70 on: May 10, 2021, 14:02:06 pm »

I won't quote figures but Jones, Jones accepted extremely frugal terms on signing short term contracts to get them playing and in the shop window. Sheehan was only getting a third of what the two name sakes earns each week. Unless the basic wage is increased considerably, they will all leave!
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« Reply #71 on: May 10, 2021, 14:18:47 pm »

I won't quote figures but Jones, Jones accepted extremely frugal terms on signing short term contracts to get them playing and in the shop window. Sheehan was only getting a third of what the two name sakes earns each week. Unless the basic wage is increased considerably, they will all leave!

I would be surprised if Sheehan is offered anything unless he's Brady's idea of an Assistant Manager. I'd be surprised if Lloyd Jones isn't offered a decent contract for a L2 club (probably not as much as he might be offered by a club higher up the ladder) and Striker Jones may or may not be offered something based on his qualities which the club is in the best position to assess and his physical condition (injury record).
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« Reply #72 on: May 10, 2021, 14:25:02 pm »

If you go with 20 players all on the same level, each player takes 5% of the budget. Obviously that wouldn't happen.

Lloyd Jones would be worth a good 7/8% of the budget (whatever it is), Id install him as captain permanently. He's 25, a very very good player and one we could still potentially sell on so an 'asset' as such...

Alex Jones would be worth no more than about 4% of the budget. Worth a punt but his stock is pretty low after several seasons of no productivity.

So Id be offering Lloyd Jones a bloody good deal and build the defence around him and the Horse. Id do everything I could to keep him, within reason...
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« Reply #73 on: May 10, 2021, 14:27:31 pm »

Lloyd Jones looks worthy of a deal, but i suspect he will have a better offer than we can/want to afford. Sheehan cant be offered any type of deal, way past his time, may be ok for non league part time.
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« Reply #74 on: May 10, 2021, 14:33:05 pm »

We appear to be on the same page !
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« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2021, 14:34:29 pm »

This talk about Jones and Watson is getting boring, they will both be gone before the start of next season , if they have admirers higher up the Footie Pyramid then they will be off like with the Oliver situation last season money talks and Cobblers track record of late in competing against other clubs for players signatures is poor. Just accept the situation and move on.

Agreed, it happens every year with our best players, will they wont they and its always the latter. Next will be spec about all the players we want, but wont get.

Surprised no one mentioned Luke Chambers coming back for the last part of his career.

Be very interested to see Bradys pulling power and the sort of player he can attract.

Not holding my breath
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« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2021, 14:42:17 pm »

Think I read somewhere that Paul Cook was hoping that Chambers might sign up with them as a coach next year.  I haven’t seen enough of Alex Jones to be able to make a judgement - possibly something short term with him training with us in the Summer to assess his fitness? If Brady had rated Sheehan as a potential Assistant Manager or coach then he would have made him part of the Brady bunch?
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« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2021, 15:29:49 pm »

Both players should have been given improved terms 2 months ago but the club was tardy .
They will now both go for free i would imagine unless the captaincy and improved wages manage to persuade Jones .
If Hull and Blackpool want you , we have no chance and will get nought as usual .
Reference Oliver last season.

Perhaps the players or their agents didn't want talks 2 months ago, it wouldn't be announced, maybe there are offers on the table already?
I don't think the club was slow offering Oliver terms last year, the mistake they made was waiting over a month for his decision.
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« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2021, 16:34:04 pm »

I won't quote figures but Jones, Jones accepted extremely frugal terms on signing short term contracts to get them playing and in the shop window. Sheehan was only getting a third of what the two name sakes earns each week. Unless the basic wage is increased considerably, they will all leave!

Is Lloyd still going to Milan 12 months ago? as that was a done deal...............or has something changed?
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« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2021, 20:50:55 pm »

I won't quote figures but Jones, Jones accepted extremely frugal terms on signing short term contracts to get them playing and in the shop window. Sheehan was only getting a third of what the two name sakes earns each week. Unless the basic wage is increased considerably, they will all leave!
correct and someone that knows what he is talking about at last .
What people don’t realise is that we pay low wages to get people playing . The point is , once they have proved their worth we should reward them with a better contract .
We don’t early enough and then guess what - they clear off.
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