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Summer 2021 Transfer Window

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« Reply #1500 on: July 01, 2021, 15:11:24 pm »

You can't speculate to accumulate if the speculation could leave you up s***s creek if it doesn't pay out dividends, and based on our transfer history I'd say that they'd be a good 75% chance you'd be making significant losses on such a policy.
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« Reply #1501 on: July 01, 2021, 15:17:34 pm »


In fairness Callum Morton is a case in point.

Good player for us but of zero long term benefit.


He was pivotal in getting us promoted. We then wasted that opportunity by bringing in a number of players for fees who were garbage and we were relegated.



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« Reply #1502 on: July 01, 2021, 15:27:28 pm »

I’d be rather deflated given all the talk of a new club structure and a transfer committee and then paying the likes of calderwood ,Carr and foyle a wage , to then bring in free transfers and youth loans.
No long term benefit and a total waste of money.

We’ve got a really good off field set up so I’m hoping that given that the club has invested in putting it in place that they will now invest to help the club grow.

It’s be odd to invest in a brains trust and still go down the wrong path
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« Reply #1503 on: July 01, 2021, 15:40:44 pm »


I’d love the club to show some ambition and speculate to accumulate now that we have a transfer committee in place.


I think the club have tried to do this over the last few seasons. Both Matty Warburton and Ricky Korboa were signed with that in mind, they just didn't work out that way in the end.

Charlie Goode is an example of it working very well for us though. So 1 out of 3 isn't that bad.

I expect BAS is another that was brought in with an eye on a future big money transfer.

The problem is that you don't know for sure that it will work out that way.

For all the talk about how well P*sh do it, they also let a lot of duds go for minimal money or free.
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« Reply #1504 on: July 01, 2021, 15:41:24 pm »

I’d love the club to show some ambition and speculate to accumulate now that we have a transfer committee in place.

I’ve seen it all before though and expect a untried prem youth team forward on loan which  I’ve said before is of zero benefit in the long term.

In fairness Callum Morton is a case in point.

Good player for us but of zero long term benefit.

I really hope I’m proved wrong, what do others think
Will we
A) show ambition and spend some decent money in order to turn a profit
B) continue to sign free transfers and inexperienced loans

Be interested to hear which path people think the club will go down.

Signing players either for Fee or Free is never an exact science, there's a history of very expensive failures and bargain successes. I know Leicester fans who thought Jamie Vardy was a waste of money at £1m!!

You paint a picture of the committee sitting round a table all chipping in to sign a new player.
Clubs in League 1 & 2 can rarely plan long term unless it's by developing their own players and hoping the fans will be patient.

To be fair to the current owners they seem to have backed their managers to pay fees for players, it's easy to say they should have spent more. If £6m+ has been put in to the club for running costs it stands to reason you ain't gonna spend the same again on players. ( OK your beloved P*t*rborough would!)

Free transfers , loans and just the odd fee for someone with promise will continue to be the way for the Cobblers and most other teams at our level. Then the coaching and a bit of luck with a couple of your signings kicks in, nothing guaranteed though.
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« Reply #1505 on: July 01, 2021, 15:58:13 pm »

I don't think paying transfer fees makes too much difference and not that advisable at our level. We are never going to tempt someone who is flying mid-contract from a competitor, which even then would also command a big salary on top.
Far better off bunging someone a signing on fee incentive, bonuses and half decent wage. Even then we have had our fair share of dross on a relative large wage to the average.

Not sure on these salary sites at all but read on a couple that people like Hoskins are on around £80k a year. That's decent but not massive and probably our average wage, or even a bit less. It's only at our level that the well used "it's a short career" is really relevant, hence the likes of Savage in B&Q. Earning that amount for a football career will struggle to see you into retirement, although you could say why should a footballer be able to retire at 30-35?!



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« Reply #1506 on: July 01, 2021, 16:32:26 pm »

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Notts County have now made an offer for Tshimanga. Northampton have been in unsuccessful discussions with Boreham Wood for days. #ntfc #ncfc #nottscounty #cobblers
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« Reply #1507 on: July 01, 2021, 16:46:25 pm »

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Notts County have now made an offer for Tshimanga. Northampton have been in unsuccessful discussions with Boreham Wood for days. #ntfc #ncfc #nottscounty #cobblers
Just fcuking sort it out, offer them the same money and BAS.
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« Reply #1508 on: July 01, 2021, 17:08:49 pm »

Just fcuking sort it out, offer them the same money and BAS.

I doubt BAS is any incentive. Add-ons might be the way to go if cash now is an issue.
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« Reply #1509 on: July 01, 2021, 17:22:28 pm »

I doubt BAS is any incentive. Add-ons might be the way to go if cash now is an issue.
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« Reply #1510 on: July 01, 2021, 18:58:16 pm »

Attacking midfielder Tom Scott has left NTFC (where he was on a scholarship contract) and signed a professional deal with Sunderland following a successful trial a month or two back.
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« Reply #1511 on: July 01, 2021, 18:58:25 pm »

Ricky Korboa signs for Sutton United.

Personally I would have liked to see what he could have done for us in league 2. I think he has some talent but maybe lacked a bit of desire, particularly in training.  It will be interesting to see how he gets on.
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« Reply #1512 on: July 01, 2021, 19:49:29 pm »

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« Reply #1513 on: July 01, 2021, 22:26:02 pm »

Seems Gillingham are in for Tshimanga now too..

Were we actually in for him ntfclad?

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« Reply #1514 on: July 01, 2021, 22:41:08 pm »

Be interesting to know what percentage of senior players successfully make the jump from non league to full time. As it’s been mentioned the 86/87 squad was littered with success stories. Given the massive influx of overseas players since that time I assumed talented home grown players would be forced further down the pyramid. That should have led to even richer pickings to be had, but it doesn’t seem to be the case does it?
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« Reply #1515 on: July 02, 2021, 07:39:06 am »

Be interesting to know what percentage of senior players successfully make the jump from non league to full time. As it’s been mentioned the 86/87 squad was littered with success stories. Given the massive influx of overseas players since that time I assumed talented home grown players would be forced further down the pyramid. That should have led to even richer pickings to be had, but it doesn’t seem to be the case does it?
TBH Melly the game has moved on massively since the 80’s with the likes of Morley, Hill and Gleasure.
The jump has got bigger because the full time lads are fitter than there counterparts of yesteryears.
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« Reply #1516 on: July 02, 2021, 08:47:31 am »

TBH Melly the game has moved on massively since the 80’s with the likes of Morley, Hill and Gleasure.
The jump has got bigger because the full time lads are fitter than there counterparts of yesteryears.
Sounds reasonable. There has to be something to it because it doesn’t seem to happen successfully anywhere near as often as it used to? As for the influx of overseas players I also assumed the standard would go up in the lower divisions. Again this would have been due to naturally gifted home grown players being forced lower down the pyramid. This doesn’t seem to have happened either?
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« Reply #1517 on: July 02, 2021, 09:34:14 am »

I’m not sure I’d agree that the overall standard of football in the lower leagues hasn’t significantly improved in the last 30/40 years. I think it’s natural to look back with nostalgic Rose tinted glasses, while the overall entertainment might not be too different, things like touch, passing, work rate & tactical awareness have improved massively. Whether this is because of the influx of foreign players, better coaching, better fitness, better pitches or other reasons I don’t know.
As for non league players coming into the league, if the numbers have drastically gone down I’d put it down to more talented youth players been spotted by league academies at a young age as well as well better scouting at lower league clubs and being able to pick up players released by big club academies that might have been missed in the past.


 
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« Reply #1518 on: July 02, 2021, 10:45:37 am »

I’m not sure I’d agree that the overall standard of football in the lower leagues hasn’t significantly improved in the last 30/40 years. I think it’s natural to look back with nostalgic Rose tinted glasses, while the overall entertainment might not be too different, things like touch, passing, work rate & tactical awareness have improved massively. Whether this is because of the influx of foreign players, better coaching, better fitness, better pitches or other reasons I don’t know.
As for non league players coming into the league, if the numbers have drastically gone down I’d put it down to more talented youth players been spotted by league academies at a young age as well as well better scouting at lower league clubs and being able to pick up players released by big club academies that might have been missed in the past.


 

For me, work rate (fitness), tactical awareness and medical have significantly improved but not touch, passing and skill. Lads back in the 60s and 70s spent endless hours honing those aspects on a whole variety of surfaces. It was not as ultra professional as it is now. Tackling is fast going out of the game.

Fat kids were a rarity back in my youth. We all played football - couldn't get enough of it. Football most of the year, cricket in the summer and rough rugby when we were so inclined. And yes, jumpers for goalposts.
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« Reply #1519 on: July 02, 2021, 10:57:37 am »

Missilou has signed for Newport County.
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