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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2021, 11:48:30 am »

On line abuse is in the headlines this week so I’m not going to weigh in.

That said  .... don’t think Mitchell is that awful it’s just that normally sides have another half decent keeper on the bench to keep their number one sharp.
We’ve had nothing for months so no matter how many awful games he has he was always on next weeks team sheet. I think the poor lads confidence needed a bit of protection.
All that said, I don’t want to see him back for next season. A year loaned out into the Conference might see his confidence back?

Even with all the moans that Mitch attracts it doesn’t need a brain surgeon to conclude that he’s not the reason we’ve been demoted after one season - look at the goals for column and then look at how many goals have been from “strikers”? With one half decent striker in the side we would have finished several places above the drop and all Mitch’s errors would have been forgotten!

Sorry, which is pretty much what others have said!
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2021, 12:05:34 pm »

Did I miss something in the Lee Collins situation - I’m pretty sure that he wasn’t getting abuse from fans over his performances? Unless Mitchell reads the Hotel End I think he’s unlikely to even know that supporters are giving him stick? Most if not all of the criticism is about his lack of ability and mistakes, none of it has been personal to my knowledge?

It sounds at least for me Mitchell has been singled out as the proverbial scapegoat. Never as bad as some on here make out and comparable on ability with former ‘keepers. As for the desire by some to sign a top class keeper as if to hide our defensive frailties Roll Eyes If Mitchell did get to read some of the abusive personal comments on here then we have only ourselves to blame to allow such comments to unduly flourish. Incidentally on Saturday I thought their first goal was intended as a cross and like similar situations manages to confound us all. There is I believe some on here who have credentials to give an informed factual opinion on Cornell, Mitchell plus our injured 2nd keeper. Blimey all three are villains on here so what does that say about us?
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2021, 12:18:47 pm »

On line abuse is in the headlines this week so I’m not going to weigh in.

That said  .... don’t think Mitchell is that awful it’s just that normally sides have another half decent keeper on the bench to keep their number one sharp.
We’ve had nothing for months so no matter how many awful games he has he was always on next weeks team sheet. I think the poor lads confidence needed a bit of protection.
All that said, I don’t want to see him back for next season. A year loaned out into the Conference might see his confidence back?

Even with all the moans that Mitch attracts it doesn’t need a brain surgeon to conclude that he’s not the reason we’ve been demoted after one season - look at the goals for column and then look at how many goals have been from “strikers”? With one half decent striker in the side we would have finished several places above the drop and all Mitch’s errors would have been forgotten!

More or less exactly what I've said several times.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2021, 12:27:26 pm »

I don't think it was possible to bring in a loan 'keeper because Mitchell was prone to mistakes. My understanding is that a loan 'keeper can only be brought in when all of your other senior 'keepers are injured and then only on short term loans until an injured 'keeper is fit to resume.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2021, 13:27:12 pm »

On line abuse is in the headlines this week so I’m not going to weigh in.

That said  .... don’t think Mitchell is that awful it’s just that normally sides have another half decent keeper on the bench to keep their number one sharp.
We’ve had nothing for months so no matter how many awful games he has he was always on next weeks team sheet. I think the poor lads confidence needed a bit of protection.
All that said, I don’t want to see him back for next season. A year loaned out into the Conference might see his confidence back?

Even with all the moans that Mitch attracts it doesn’t need a brain surgeon to conclude that he’s not the reason we’ve been demoted after one season - look at the goals for column and then look at how many goals have been from “strikers”? With one half decent striker in the side we would have finished several places above the drop and all Mitch’s errors would have been forgotten!
Undeniably our strikers have been poor but the keeper is the only truly specialist position. No one else can pick the ball up or use their hands. Everyone can score a goal, you dont need the strikers to score to win a game and you dont need to score loads of goals to win games. Our defence over the second part of the season was pretty good with the exception of the fella between the sticks. Without touching the rest of the squad, if we could have selected any from the best half of all the keepers to have pulled on the shirt in the Sixfields era we would be playing in league one next season.
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2021, 13:27:49 pm »

Did I miss something in the Lee Collins situation - I’m pretty sure that he wasn’t getting abuse from fans over his performances? Unless Mitchell reads the Hotel End I think he’s unlikely to even know that supporters are giving him stick? Most if not all of the criticism is about his lack of ability and mistakes, none of it has been personal to my knowledge?

Fair point and I wasn't suggesting Lee Collins was getting abuse - from his popularity it seems very unlikely but my point being players are people and potentially fragile for all sorts of reasons - if people repeatedly have a go about lack of ability it is in fact personal - of course fans will, and always will comment on players ability, and players should be robust enough to take some negative comments but repeated emotive critical comments or laying the blame on one player for me is not acceptable. I'd always ask the most verbose critics would you really make the same comments face to face with the player - if not (and no false bravado) perhaps you should moderate what you say.
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2021, 14:00:44 pm »

Undeniably our strikers have been poor but the keeper is the only truly specialist position. No one else can pick the ball up or use their hands. Everyone can score a goal, you dont need the strikers to score to win a game and you dont need to score loads of goals to win games. Our defence over the second part of the season was pretty good with the exception of the fella between the sticks. Without touching the rest of the squad, if we could have selected any from the best half of all the keepers to have pulled on the shirt in the Sixfields era we would be playing in league one next season.

Very informative I take it you have had ‘keeper experience  Cool. ?
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2021, 14:53:24 pm »

Very informative I take it you have had ‘keeper experience  Cool. ?

Only scoring against them Evers. I was a left back, a left midfielder (inside half to you) or forward depending in the standard of football. The better it was the further back I played.
You don't agree then that a lot of the keepers we have seen over the last 30 years would have been good enough to gain us the additional points required to stay up?
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2021, 15:16:38 pm »

On line abuse is in the headlines this week so I’m not going to weigh in.

That said  .... don’t think Mitchell is that awful it’s just that normally sides have another half decent keeper on the bench to keep their number one sharp.
We’ve had nothing for months so no matter how many awful games he has he was always on next weeks team sheet. I think the poor lads confidence needed a bit of protection.
All that said, I don’t want to see him back for next season. A year loaned out into the Conference might see his confidence back?

Even with all the moans that Mitch attracts it doesn’t need a brain surgeon to conclude that he’s not the reason we’ve been demoted after one season - look at the goals for column and then look at how many goals have been from “strikers”? With one half decent striker in the side we would have finished several places above the drop and all Mitch’s errors would have been forgotten!

How many strikers in world football can score frequently with hardly any service? Our supply line is so poor. The list of players in football right now regularly picking up the ball just past the halfway line and scoring is probably limited to Messi, Mbappe and Haaland. To suggest that we would sign a high end League One striker - I don't know, let's say Grigg, Wyke, Yates etc. - and they would score regularly for us is completely fanciful. Mitchell has made a lot of mistakes and has cost us a lot of points. Of course he isn't the sole reason for a relegation but he is a fair bit more responsible than most of our regular starters!
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2021, 05:53:31 am »

These are off the top of my head.

Free kick away at Rochdale- Lost 1 point.
First goal at Blackpool- lost 1 point.
Horrendous back pass v Burton- lost 1 point.
Grigg Daisy cutter and **** poor for fourth goal at Mk- lost 3 points.
Tame free kick and his walkabout at Swindon- lost 3 points.
Easily beat at his near post at home to Crewe- lost 1 point.
The second goal at Gillingham- won’t count lost points as there’s no guarantee we would have scored the two that followed it.
First two v Blackpool- lost 1 point.

Add up 11 points and we’re 17th. Fair enough we haven’t scored enough, but we’re down because of the above.
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« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2021, 07:53:20 am »

Taking into account that the lad could get this thread shoved in his face.

It is clear that he was not comfortable at L1 level. But he did not put himself between the sticks. The decision to use him would have rested on many factors, none of them under his control. Rendering him entirely as a scapegoat....
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« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2021, 08:22:46 am »

mitchell is primarily to blame for us dropping points in the last 2 months or so .
He has been terrible and not professional standard in my view .
The problem is , there was no one to replace him- the club must have been hoping he would get injured to get a replacement .
Of course , none of the strikers have have performed either . We paid money for BAS and Rose and neither warrants a place at the club next season .
Edmundson was a disaster and totally over rated by his parent club . He will never ever play for Leeds Utd or anyone like them .
Same with Mitchell - he will never probably put a Derby training top on again
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« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2021, 10:00:25 am »

These are off the top of my head.

Free kick away at Rochdale- Lost 1 point.
First goal at Blackpool- lost 1 point.
Horrendous back pass v Burton- lost 1 point.
Grigg Daisy cutter and **** poor for fourth goal at Mk- lost 3 points.
Tame free kick and his walkabout at Swindon- lost 3 points.
Easily beat at his near post at home to Crewe- lost 1 point.
The second goal at Gillingham- won’t count lost points as there’s no guarantee we would have scored the two that followed it.
First two v Blackpool- lost 1 point.

Add up 11 points and we’re 17th. Fair enough we haven’t scored enough, but we’re down because of the above.


He hasn't been good enough but football isn't that black and white. I dread to think how many points our impotent strike force have cost us.
Hoskins missed pen at AFC....and I like the lad! A few one on ones etc...
Ultimately there are a number of reasons we find ourselves back in league 2.
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« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2021, 10:20:07 am »

mitchell is primarily to blame for us dropping points in the last 2 months or so .
He has been terrible and not professional standard in my view .
The problem is , there was no one to replace him- the club must have been hoping he would get injured to get a replacement .
Of course , none of the strikers have have performed either . We paid money for BAS and Rose and neither warrants a place at the club next season .
Edmundson was a disaster and totally over rated by his parent club . He will never ever play for Leeds Utd or anyone like them .
Same with Mitchell - he will never probably put a Derby training top on again

That's disappointing if you have relayed that assessment from JB or one of his staff.
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« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2021, 10:31:05 am »

Only scoring against them Evers. I was a left back, a left midfielder (inside half to you) or forward depending in the standard of football. The better it was the further back I played.
You don't agree then that a lot of the keepers we have seen over the last 30 years would have been good enough to gain us the additional points required to stay up?

Only Bunn who was exceptional! Perhaps Woody and Nichols might have been ok? Bunn was the exception I think!
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« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2021, 10:50:47 am »

Taking into account that the lad could get this thread shoved in his face.

It is clear that he was not comfortable at L1 level. But he did not put himself between the sticks. The decision to use him would have rested on many factors, none of them under his control. Rendering him entirely as a scapegoat....
He's a professional footballer, when he set off on that path he chose to put himself between the sticks, no one else. He made himself available for selection and was chosen by the manager. No one is scapegoating him, he simply wasnt good enough at his job. Who's fault it is that he was given the job is a different matter.
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« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2021, 10:55:21 am »

That's disappointing if you have relayed that assessment from JB or one of his staff.
my opinion and my opinion only .
It’s clear for everyone to see .
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« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2021, 11:04:12 am »

my opinion and my opinion only .
It’s clear for everyone to see .

It wasn't, but I'm glad that you clarified it.  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2021, 11:28:53 am »

I think this thread is really stating the obvious, lets face it there's been quite a few players this season who could be singled out. Yes we are all aware of how poor  (most of the time) Mitchell has been. But why start this thread as soon as we're relegated? What purpose is it serving?
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« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2021, 11:35:43 am »

I think this thread is really stating the obvious, lets face it there's been quite a few players this season who could be singled out. Yes we are all aware of how poor  (most of the time) Mitchell has been. But why start this thread as soon as we're relegated? What purpose is it serving?
None, he’s got one more game.
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