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« on: June 10, 2021, 22:39:59 pm »

It's been a year but The Euros are finally here and Italy face Turkey in the first game tomorrow night.

Who's looking forward to Euro 2020 and how far will England go?

For me, it's coming home...  Grin
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2021, 06:31:30 am »

This is the least excited I can remember being about a major tournament. My waning interest in the Premier League and European tournaments mean I don't even know half the players anymore (and that includes England!) and I think that's affecting my interest in it all.
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2021, 18:37:07 pm »

I've got my money on Croatia to beat England in their opener.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2021, 21:32:13 pm »

When I was playing we used to wear jock straps. What a shame the Turkish goalie decided to go commando. It was so untidy to see his testicles displayed like that
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2021, 06:22:03 am »

This is the least excited I can remember being about a major tournament. My waning interest in the Premier League and European tournaments mean I don't even know half the players anymore (and that includes England!) and I think that's affecting my interest in it all.

Same, not the slightest interest in any of it despite once being a red blooded English supporter, I'll stick to travelling with the cricket in future.

I'm done with being patronised by current and ex footballers who are employed to kick around a ball around yet now seem to have developed some superior intellect. Medical studies suggest heading a ball has the opposite effect.

Sick of the new woke and oh so virtuous brigade of commentators. Apparently after 35 years of being a supporter, according to "Chock ice" Rio Ferdinand and "swap the wife for a younger model" Gary Lineker "I'm part of the problem."

Watching one game on Sunday, Hartlepool v Stockport.
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2021, 08:35:25 am »

Same, not the slightest interest in any of it despite once being a red blooded English supporter, I'll stick to travelling with the cricket in future.

I'm done with being patronised by current and ex footballers who are employed to kick around a ball around yet now seem to have developed some superior intellect. Medical studies suggest heading a ball has the opposite effect.

Sick of the new woke and oh so virtuous brigade of commentators. Apparently after 35 years of being a supporter, according to "Chock ice" Rio Ferdinand and "swap the wife for a younger model" Gary Lineker "I'm part of the problem."

Watching one game on Sunday, Hartlepool v Stockport.

Not to excited about the football either. Mind you all this fuss about taking the knee is quite a tonic.
Grown ups getting so cross about 11 blokes showing support for each other and the fair treatment of everyone was tragic but now itís more comic.

Itís a situation that just keeps giving as well - first time for a long time, Iíve agreed with a Boris announcement - stop booing and support your team. I would amend slightly and say stop booing and spend some time in honest self reflection to understand the real cause of your anger - In most cases, it wonít be what you say it is!

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2021, 10:08:06 am »

Not to excited about the football either. Mind you all this fuss about taking the knee is quite a tonic.
Grown ups getting so cross about 11 blokes showing support for each other and the fair treatment of everyone was tragic but now itís more comic.

Itís a situation that just keeps giving as well - first time for a long time, Iíve agreed with a Boris announcement - stop booing and support your team. I would amend slightly and say stop booing and spend some time in honest self reflection to understand the real cause of your anger - In most cases, it wonít be what you say it is!

I think we're straying into absolutism again here - agree with taking the knee = good, disagree with taking the knee = bad.

It's really not that simple. When Colin Kaepernick took the knee it was a powerful individual gesture. When other American sports men and women followed suit it was also a deeply symbolic display and I loved seeing it.

Somehow along the way, that gesture has been co-opted by Black Lives Matter and at this point is irrevocably linked to them. 

To make my position absolutely clear on this, I'm not a part of the "all lives matter" brigade. I get the distinction and I agree that black lives matter (the principle). I'm just deeply uncomfortable with Black Lives Matter (the organisation). Their stated aims go way beyond their remit and by adopting their salute of sorts, whether they mean to or not, footballers are implicitly signalling their support for that organisation. At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, it's a bit like a German player doing a Nazi salute as a goal celebration and then saying "Well, it was a tribute to my grandfather who fought in the war, it's nothing to do with the Nazis" - it wouldn't wash because that gesture is intrinsically and inseparably linked. That's probably a bit of a crass metaphor, but like it or not, adopting a gesture linked to a particular organisation suggests support for that organisation.

If football was to come up with its own gesture to symbolise racial equality, be it an arms folded stance or hopping up and down on one leg for all I care, I'd happily applaud it whenever it was taken. I won't applaud a gesture that glorifies a Marxist organisation that wants to see the police defunded, capitalism deconstructed, drugs decriminalised (along with all drugs-based convictions quashed) and, in the past at least, has advocated getting rid of the concept of the nuclear family.

That said, I wouldn't boo it either because booing is a blunt instrument that sends the wrong signals and plays into the hands of those who are happy to dismiss any dissenting voices as racists.

That's why people get irritated when virtue signallers like Rio Ferdinand and Gary Lineker make pronouncements from their high horses about people "getting educated" because that cuts both ways! I don't doubt that footballers are taking the knee with honest and admirable intentions, I do doubt that many of them realise the full extent of the message that gesture gives.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2021, 12:12:15 pm »

Jesus wept.

Does every topic on here have to transcend in to a complete load of bollocks or what?!
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2021, 12:53:45 pm »

Jesus wept.

Does every topic on here have to transcend in to a complete load of bollocks or what?!


Yes every topic does  Roll Eyes

On the subject of the Euro's, I am interested. I always look forward to summer tournaments and YES I think England can do it.

Come on England!

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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2021, 16:45:20 pm »

I think we're straying...

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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 09:26:47 »

It's coming home.  Smiley

Wouldn't be an England supporter if I didn't proclaim we are going to win it, only to be bitterly disappointed when we don't.
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