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« Reply #120 on: June 26, 2021, 22:32:38 pm »

Illogical and not very bright Evers - I simply replied to a point you raised first re a political comment on Hancock  - do you actually read your own posts and the order you write them in?

Well you are shelling out some provocative personal posts. Not quite sure why you have singled me out. Try Manny or Tabasco they'll give you a run for your money.
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« Reply #121 on: June 26, 2021, 23:34:51 pm »

"It is NOT your club" , of course I understand what you mean, go read some of my posts and see how my any times I talk about my / our club.

That again is exactly the point. Why am I nasty and have a hidden agenda because I point out the actions or lack of them from the owners of my / our football club?

Yet our owners can do what they want, when they want, how they want to our / my / your football club and they don't get one question or criticism from you or others? How is that supporting our football club.

I have never had one reasoned and argued post in why I am wrong about KT/ DB and their intentions, my passionate posts are ignored or passed off as pie in the sky.

My recent post, explaining why I feel we underachieve based upon our location and catchment area, prompt just 2 replies...  one was go support a prem team and the other was Leicester (which i was expecting but even they are 40 miles aways and despite their success are not a glamorous team)

Perhaps the answer is that some of our fans are luddites, fearing change and progress, perhaps some don't want any success and they fear that they won't be special in supporting such a crappy little underperforming team if the club grows and develops. As Hammy says he is happy we are in League 2, sorry but I just cannot understand that mentality.

I would be happier as I think many others would be, IF the club was locally owned and struggling but was trying to build upon something rather than foreign owners who have taken the club nowhere. Again though I remember many fans calling for Barry Stonhill to go when we were £500k in debt and lower / mid table in League 1. Compare that to now where we are in League 2 and £6m+ in debt.
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« Reply #122 on: June 27, 2021, 11:12:19 am »

"It is NOT your club" , of course I understand what you mean, go read some of my posts and see how my any times I talk about my / our club.

That again is exactly the point. Why am I nasty and have a hidden agenda because I point out the actions or lack of them from the owners of my / our football club?

Yet our owners can do what they want, when they want, how they want to our / my / your football club and they don't get one question or criticism from you or others? How is that supporting our football club.

I have never had one reasoned and argued post in why I am wrong about KT/ DB and their intentions, my passionate posts are ignored or passed off as pie in the sky.

My recent post, explaining why I feel we underachieve based upon our location and catchment area, prompt just 2 replies...  one was go support a prem team and the other was Leicester (which i was expecting but even they are 40 miles aways and despite their success are not a glamorous team)

Perhaps the answer is that some of our fans are luddites, fearing change and progress, perhaps some don't want any success and they fear that they won't be special in supporting such a crappy little underperforming team if the club grows and develops. As Hammy says he is happy we are in League 2, sorry but I just cannot understand that mentality.

I would be happier as I think many others would be, IF the club was locally owned and struggling but was trying to build upon something rather than foreign owners who have taken the club nowhere. Again though I remember many fans calling for Barry Stonhill to go when we were £500k in debt and lower / mid table in League 1. Compare that to now where we are in League 2 and £6m+ in debt.

Your passion for the subject is not in question but I would politely like to summarise why you irritate so many people

Firstly the repetitive nature of your posts - we get it but constantly writing the same thing with the words rearranged does not strengthen your argument - in fact it weakens it because no one bothers to read it in detail.
Some of your insults to the tome of the clubs lack of ambition are not simple barbs to the chairman but taken very personally by a number of hardworking members of staff (I say this from personal knowledge and nothing to do with the recent letter) - some of these individual put in many hours far above any contract to try to better the club as a whole and within the community - your comments have on occasions been simply offensive to them.
Lastly you frequently refer to supporters who donít agree with your views in derogatory term - sheep, blindly loyal to KT, Ludites etc etc - they typically are not any of these things, rather they take a view they are not in a position to actually change things and whilst undoubtably things could be better they could also be a whole let worse. Additionally whilst being supporters the have and are certainly entitled to have different priorities in life over and above the future of NTFC

Although itís a cliche im minded of the proverb of Give me the serenity to accept the things I canít change, the courage to fight for the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Iím sure you truly believe you are taking the courageous option but you may not be correct.
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« Reply #123 on: June 27, 2021, 13:09:43 pm »

Hi CW. thanks for your latest post

I am often misunderstood (which is my fault i know), when I was volunteering at the club, some staff really supported my efforts and enthusiasm whilst others were threatened by it (although I always stated I wasn't after their role, in fact I was always trying to help them and the club, improve)

I have spent a lot of time around highly creative entertainment companies and I see what is possible with attention to detail, imagination and customer service. That is where my frustrations stem from, that is why my barbs are to the Chairman because he is in charge, he sets the standards, the expectations, the systems, everything. The staff can only follow, although perhaps they could push more.

An example: I always felt that having the portakabins selling tickets etc was very amateurish, didn't allow computer access to the system etc and were in an awful condition. When KT came in with his promise of £4m etc etc I thought great we will get some changes, the contract had ended on the cabins but all we did was get some more. There was no attempt by the owners or senior management to push for change and improvement. Yes it is only a small thing but it is the small things that make the big differences.

Yes I do know staff work extra hours etc, but that is the case will perhaps 80% of the workforce in all jobs. I must admit I lost some respect for those in management towards the end of the DC reign, when they all sat back and protected their own jobs rather than speaking up about what was happening. That went for the Trust too. The whistleblower leaking info was not even someone from the club.

I don't mean to be offensive to the staff, yes I am a moaner but at the same time, I will do anything and everything to help anyone or anything, as I said before I have swept rainwater of the main path to the ground (so fans didn't get their feet wet) and escorted Roberto Martinez to his seat after he missed kicked off as we were busy talking in main reception. It didn't matter to me I just wanted it to be better for others.

Somebody has to take responsibility for what I see as continued under achievement and missed opportunities. If the staff can honestly look at themselves and say I give my best and my focus is on making NTFC the very best it can be, then I apologise to them, however ex-players have said things are not right at the core of the club, players who have a good season very rarely re-sign for the club and players who do sign tend to be here to pay their mortgage. In addition you have Trust board members who have been extremely loyal and spent £1000's supporting the club now in a very public argument with the owners and staff.

I just want something in Northampton to be proud off and I am sorry if I offended fans and staff of NTFC by taking out my frustrations on them. Build it and they will come the saying goes, well they have come (Northampton population is 3rd biggest in League 2 after Bradford and Bristol Rovers), its time to build. KT has been here 6 wasted years and nothing has changed, surely now its time for change

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« Reply #124 on: June 27, 2021, 13:13:21 pm »

Fair and balanced post their Random..

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« Reply #125 on: June 27, 2021, 13:22:09 pm »

thanks Hammy  Smiley
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« Reply #126 on: June 27, 2021, 13:24:06 pm »

Yes, top post Random, I share your frustrations and misunderstoodment.
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« Reply #127 on: June 27, 2021, 15:03:51 pm »

Fair post Random - best we agree to differ on some but not all our collective points.
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« Reply #128 on: June 27, 2021, 16:03:54 pm »

thanks again guys, hopefully some of the other posters will comment on it and give their perspective too, as many just make sniping comments

It is time we come together, the fact we have 3 supporters buses going to away games needs to stop, we need one collective, and if that means that the Trust is dissolved and something else is put in it's place then so be it.

I do think that it is time that football as a whole is not held as the plaything of some foreign owner, football clubs are unique, community based businesses, that, has to be considered in its ownership. Again, ironically, Oxford have suffered massively over the year with a battle with their former Chairman, who developed land with a stadium, then held the football club hostage with contracts and rents. KT as an Oxford fans knows this better than anyone. I suspect this is one reason the Trust are so worried by the lack of information from our owners.





 
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« Reply #129 on: June 28, 2021, 00:01:04 am »

Hi CW. thanks for your latest post

I am often misunderstood (which is my fault i know), when I was volunteering at the club, some staff really supported my efforts and enthusiasm whilst others were threatened by it (although I always stated I wasn't after their role, in fact I was always trying to help them and the club, improve)

I have spent a lot of time around highly creative entertainment companies and I see what is possible with attention to detail, imagination and customer service. That is where my frustrations stem from, that is why my barbs are to the Chairman because he is in charge, he sets the standards, the expectations, the systems, everything. The staff can only follow, although perhaps they could push more.

An example: I always felt that having the portakabins selling tickets etc was very amateurish, didn't allow computer access to the system etc and were in an awful condition. When KT came in with his promise of £4m etc etc I thought great we will get some changes, the contract had ended on the cabins but all we did was get some more. There was no attempt by the owners or senior management to push for change and improvement. Yes it is only a small thing but it is the small things that make the big differences.

Yes I do know staff work extra hours etc, but that is the case will perhaps 80% of the workforce in all jobs. I must admit I lost some respect for those in management towards the end of the DC reign, when they all sat back and protected their own jobs rather than speaking up about what was happening. That went for the Trust too. The whistleblower leaking info was not even someone from the club.

I don't mean to be offensive to the staff, yes I am a moaner but at the same time, I will do anything and everything to help anyone or anything, as I said before I have swept rainwater of the main path to the ground (so fans didn't get their feet wet) and escorted Roberto Martinez to his seat after he missed kicked off as we were busy talking in main reception. It didn't matter to me I just wanted it to be better for others.

Somebody has to take responsibility for what I see as continued under achievement and missed opportunities. If the staff can honestly look at themselves and say I give my best and my focus is on making NTFC the very best it can be, then I apologise to them, however ex-players have said things are not right at the core of the club, players who have a good season very rarely re-sign for the club and players who do sign tend to be here to pay their mortgage. In addition you have Trust board members who have been extremely loyal and spent £1000's supporting the club now in a very public argument with the owners and staff.

I just want something in Northampton to be proud off and I am sorry if I offended fans and staff of NTFC by taking out my frustrations on them. Build it and they will come the saying goes, well they have come (Northampton population is 3rd biggest in League 2 after Bradford and Bristol Rovers), its time to build. KT has been here 6 wasted years and nothing has changed, surely now its time for change


Random, if all your posts were written in that tone your opinions would be taken far more seriously. What you should perhaps also take on board is that virtually everyone on here wants what you want, myself included. Some are just concerned and confused about how you would finance it and the likely impact of that strategy. Doesnt make them KT lovers or even right, but it is a valid opinion. I think the arguments on here generally stem from the amount of emotion involved and the blind commitment to a particular strategy. If everyone conceded there may be flaws and risks to their arguments then there would be a lot more constructive opinion on here. For example, the problem with my position is that we are far more likely to tread water, thatís a fact and I know it.
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« Reply #130 on: June 28, 2021, 05:48:16 am »


I just want something in Northampton to be proud off and I am sorry if I offended fans and staff of NTFC by taking out my frustrations on them. Build it and they will come the saying goes, well they have come (Northampton population is 3rd biggest in League 2 after Bradford and Bristol Rovers), its time to build. KT has been here 6 wasted years and nothing has changed, surely now its time for change



Great post Random, I think most of us share your frustrations, given the right foundation and realistically sized stadium we would all like to know where it could take us.
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« Reply #131 on: June 28, 2021, 07:45:06 am »

One question I forgot to ask as an outsider looking in. How is the Trust funded?
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« Reply #132 on: June 28, 2021, 09:39:46 am »

One question I forgot to ask as an outsider looking in. How is the Trust funded?

Membership fees and a few fund raising initiatives such as raffles ect
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« Reply #133 on: June 28, 2021, 10:12:49 am »

One question I forgot to ask as an outsider looking in. How is the Trust funded?
Car boot sales, and xmas raffle tickets. And the odd race night in a WMC.
They certainly do not like the idea of getting a barrel of ale to sell inside the stadium. Every excuse that you can think of.
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« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2021, 10:34:20 am »

Thanks for the info chaps.  Wink
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« Reply #135 on: June 28, 2021, 11:41:18 am »

Club 500 is also a fundraiserÖ..Trust Travel hasnít raised much in the past year or so though!
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« Reply #136 on: June 28, 2021, 11:59:05 am »

Club 500 is also a fundraiserÖ..Trust Travel hasnít raised much in the past year or so though!
When is the Trusts response likely to appear GPC?
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« Reply #137 on: June 29, 2021, 14:15:51 pm »

Hi CW. thanks for your latest post

I am often misunderstood (which is my fault i know), when I was volunteering at the club, some staff really supported my efforts and enthusiasm whilst others were threatened by it (although I always stated I wasn't after their role, in fact I was always trying to help them and the club, improve)

I have spent a lot of time around highly creative entertainment companies and I see what is possible with attention to detail, imagination and customer service. That is where my frustrations stem from, that is why my barbs are to the Chairman because he is in charge, he sets the standards, the expectations, the systems, everything. The staff can only follow, although perhaps they could push more.

An example: I always felt that having the portakabins selling tickets etc was very amateurish, didn't allow computer access to the system etc and were in an awful condition. When KT came in with his promise of £4m etc etc I thought great we will get some changes, the contract had ended on the cabins but all we did was get some more. There was no attempt by the owners or senior management to push for change and improvement. Yes it is only a small thing but it is the small things that make the big differences.

Yes I do know staff work extra hours etc, but that is the case will perhaps 80% of the workforce in all jobs. I must admit I lost some respect for those in management towards the end of the DC reign, when they all sat back and protected their own jobs rather than speaking up about what was happening. That went for the Trust too. The whistleblower leaking info was not even someone from the club.

I don't mean to be offensive to the staff, yes I am a moaner but at the same time, I will do anything and everything to help anyone or anything, as I said before I have swept rainwater of the main path to the ground (so fans didn't get their feet wet) and escorted Roberto Martinez to his seat after he missed kicked off as we were busy talking in main reception. It didn't matter to me I just wanted it to be better for others.

Somebody has to take responsibility for what I see as continued under achievement and missed opportunities. If the staff can honestly look at themselves and say I give my best and my focus is on making NTFC the very best it can be, then I apologise to them, however ex-players have said things are not right at the core of the club, players who have a good season very rarely re-sign for the club and players who do sign tend to be here to pay their mortgage. In addition you have Trust board members who have been extremely loyal and spent £1000's supporting the club now in a very public argument with the owners and staff.

I just want something in Northampton to be proud off and I am sorry if I offended fans and staff of NTFC by taking out my frustrations on them. Build it and they will come the saying goes, well they have come (Northampton population is 3rd biggest in League 2 after Bradford and Bristol Rovers), its time to build. KT has been here 6 wasted years and nothing has changed, surely now its time for change


Random: You were a volunteer at the club and it sounds like a good one as well, I'm assuming that you aren't now?
I'm sure that the club wouldn't have turned down your 'free' offers of help?
Where, when and how did the frustrations, that we all have, turn into the 'hatred' of KT that you portray, aside from the obvious desire that we all have for the club to improve?
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« Reply #138 on: June 29, 2021, 14:55:23 pm »

Random: You were a volunteer at the club and it sounds like a good one as well, I'm assuming that you aren't now?
I'm sure that the club wouldn't have turned down your 'free' offers of help?
Where, when and how did the frustrations, that we all have, turn into the 'hatred' of KT that you portray, aside from the obvious desire that we all have for the club to improve?

So Iíve had a few spats with Random but to step in his shoes for a moment I genuinely donít think itís KT the man he hates - rather any out of town owner that he believes is more interested in return on investment than the benefits to the club - I still believe we may get both but I donít think he shares that view,
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« Reply #139 on: June 29, 2021, 15:21:22 pm »

Hi Deepcut, yeah I was a good one, I won Supporter of the Year for it once  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin (tongue in cheek)

At the time I said to DC that I am his biggest fan and his biggest critic. Remember I was one, along with manwork, that was publicly threatened with libel action, but after that meeting with him, continued to 'work' at the club.

It starting falling apart when I failed to get an interview with DC for the box office managers role (twice) despite being very qualified and told by some staff I would be brilliant etc, however as I said the other day, some managers didn't seem to like me, and those staff that supported me told me that the managers were threatened and scared that I make them look bad.

I also felt that DC wanted to keep me at arms length as he knew I would be vocal about anything he was doing that was anti-club. Those around the club towards the end totally failed the town, NBC and the fans IMHO, they all stayed quiet, media still meddling various messages from DC, etc etc.  

Up until that point I had a very free reign during match days as was basically able to move around the inner workings of the ground as I liked, including the tunnel, players lounge etc etc. I would say I was alway respectful and professional in my actions, and never once caused an issue or a problem. However each season, more and more restrictions were brought in regarding my access to various areas and also the volunteers - many had done the worst job in the club for no pay and very little favour. After volunteering and opening the club shop on the Bradford wembley morning, taking quite a few thousand pounds the club would have lost, seeing the wembley display and hearing various things, the continued poor treatment of the programme sellers, 50-50, ticket sellers etc, I decided enough was enough and I left.

When the sh@t hit the fan, I got involved with the Trust, shaking buckets and attended a board meeting or two. When KT took over I was asked by another volunteer to return and help out, which I did. The treatment of the volunteers by management was still very poor and I spoke with them to say, they just want a thanks every now and then, come outside and say hello, know their names etc. After that management did come outside but just to moan and check if they were doing a good job or not. Now there were obviously lots of different things happening, rules for one and not others etc etc (which you get in all businesses).

I discussed with James Whiting about the cabins and how crap they were, we should have windows from the main stand selling tickets etc, but no they just rented more slightly less crappy cabins. Again I helped with the merchandising at the end of season, I (with others)ran the market square stall in the week and on the parade day, again far exceeding sales expectations etc. I tried to have a meeting with KT but it never happened.

In the meantime I could see that nothing was changing off the pitch, KT had promised the £4m and I foolishly thought with new owners talking about community and growth and development, things were going to change. But nothing did. I said to Fez at York away (23 Feb 2016) that KT will not build that stand. All the staff members that had watched over DC's actions and been employed by him, all remained, not one change. Perhaps I was impatient then but I have certainly been proved 'right' (please do not take that as gloating)

I went back to the club, worn down by the talk of development from DC knowing he was trying to get some money back via the back door, excited by new owners and THE OPPORTUNITY that we can finally starting developing NTFC into a decent League 1 club at least. I wanted to play a part in that, however small.

My 'hatred' as you put it is for his actions or lack of them, not mine. He gained control of the club after the Trust stepped aside for him as he said he had £4m to build the East stand but has done nothing but delay, delay, delay, and go back on various 'promises' and understanding. IMHO he is not fit to be the Chairman of my football club.

What I would like to understand is how those staff members give him their full support when nothing has been achieved in his 6 years other than sell one player for a large undisclosed fee. What exactly has he done to earn theirs and other fans support?  I just don't see it.

He has said in open that NTFC is not worth developing, he had not implemented one real item of creativity, improvement or development. Yes the club does some great work in the community - but again so does every single football league club in the country. At the end of the day, we are back in League 2 with a very small, very poor stadium, with no executive boxes, with no star players, with low expectations of promotion.AND MORE IMPORTANTLY NO UNDERSTANDING OF HOW / WHEN / OR WHERE  we are going to develop.

At least with DC for the 1st 4 years or so, he actually invested money into players, always talked about promotion and getting into League 1. KT has had 2 promotions handed to him on a plate and despite being a football person, has allowed the club to fail almost immediately TWICE.

NOW I HAVE PUT MY SIDE, CAN SOMEONE, ANYONE, PLEASE POST SOMETHING IN WHY I AM WRONG AND PUT THEIR POINT OF VIEW. as this never ever happens.




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