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« Reply #360 on: July 10, 2021, 06:24:55 am »

Soggy!!! Thank goodness where have you been, how I’ve missed your reveries. They say if you sit a chimpanzee at a keyboard long enough it will eventually type something of worth. So if a chimp can do it there’s an outside chance you can. Personally I’m not living in hope but dont let that demotivate you, keep your head up and keep going.

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« Reply #361 on: July 10, 2021, 08:19:10 am »

It’s fair to say that I have consistently stayed on track in terms of my opinion of their handling of a couple of things. I really wish they had listened. Then they certainly wouldn’t be in the mess they are now. Or at least they could have confidently proclaimed the universal backing of their members. Now… If my persistence is uncomfortable to them, or you, or indeed anyone else… I couldn’t care less. I just hope that by relentlessly pursuing certain goals, they have not presided over the death of something that could have been so instrumental in looking after the support and the future of NTFC.

I am absolutely impartial. In no way do I condone the behaviour of any of the parties in this. It's just you and a few others only pick up on what I say about the Trust. I am the same as most people. I am waiting for you and a few others to show me the “oil and truth”. Just as much as you want to see that 4 million. Or are we now going to face facts, and say that you and a few others got a bit carried away with it didn’t you 😀😀


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« Reply #362 on: July 10, 2021, 12:41:02 pm »

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Course you are mate.

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« Reply #363 on: July 10, 2021, 15:46:17 pm »

Surely everyone who wants a say has had one (some far more than others more to the point of obsession) - absolutely nothing new.

Here is my summary -

1) The Trust are bad - or maybe not
2) KT & DB are bad - or maybe not

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« Reply #364 on: July 10, 2021, 18:48:17 pm »

I know 1 are not sure about 2
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« Reply #365 on: July 10, 2021, 19:43:52 pm »

Surely everyone who wants a say has had one (some far more than others more to the point of obsession) - absolutely nothing new.

Here is my summary -

1) The Trust are bad - or maybe not
2) KT & DB are bad - or maybe not


Can I just offer a bit of advice to everyone. If you feel you are obsessed by this subject can I recommend you make a life size model of Andy Roberts/Kelvin Thomas out of the kids playdoh and stick pins in it whilst shouting b@stard. It’s very cathartic.
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« Reply #366 on: July 10, 2021, 19:56:53 pm »

Can I just offer a bit of advice to everyone. If you feel you are obsessed by this subject can I recommend you make a life size model of Andy Roberts/Kelvin Thomas out of the kids playdoh and stick pins in it whilst shouting b@stard. It’s very cathartic.

So, Rolf Harris is alive and well and living in Victoria.
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« Reply #367 on: July 10, 2021, 19:58:44 pm »

So, Rolf Harris is alive and well and living in Victoria.
I’ve said something wrong again haven’t I?
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« Reply #368 on: July 12, 2021, 10:27:46 am »

And gorgeous as well 😀😀😀😛😛
Your not my type Tel.😀
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« Reply #369 on: July 15, 2021, 10:56:35 am »

Have they evidenced the actual amount actually going into any of the accounts?
Have they evidenced the actual amount actually leaving any of the accounts?
Have they evidenced the actual expenses for legal fees, transaction fees, tax etc?

My guess is no, no, no. Therefore any opinion on what has happened is exactly that. As much as you or any one else wants to shout about it.

Why don't you ask KT to provide evidence that they are actually going to build the East stand. Shame you weren't at NBC 6 years ago asking for the same level of scrutiny to KT / DB.

The Trust have given pretty detailed info on dates and amounts, KT / NTFC staff have not issued a statement saying it is untrue.

The fact that KT has also not made a statement re the reacquiring of the shares suggests that they did not pay anything back.

I really don't understand why the Trust are questioned constantly yet no questions or concerns of KT when fans are told things like  - those plans just released have been with KT for at least 2 years but have not been release until now - so why not and why now?

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« Reply #370 on: July 15, 2021, 11:07:04 am »

Why don't you ask KT to provide evidence that they are actually going to build the East stand. Shame you weren't at NBC 6 years ago asking for the same level of scrutiny to KT / DB.

The Trust have given pretty detailed info on dates and amounts, KT / NTFC staff have not issued a statement saying it is untrue.

The fact that KT has also not made a statement re the reacquiring of the shares suggests that they did not pay anything back.

I really don't understand why the Trust are questioned constantly yet no questions or concerns of KT when fans are told things like  - those plans just released have been with KT for at least 2 years but have not been release until now - so why not and why now?

I have contacted him on several occasions asking him for information, and although I do not necessarily agree with what he has to say I have had dialogue with him and got answers.

The Trust have laid out some facts, some assumptions, and some accusations. Without dialogue, which was offered, the assumptions can never be proven or disproved. This isnt the playground, not denying you did the fart doesnt mean you farted.

Again suggests. Not proof.

KT is often questioned by many including me who have been critical of the Trust and the way they have conducted themselves. The real irony is with all the petty press releases, statements and vailed accusations, the Trust and its supporters are actually distracting from what KT is / isnt doing.
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« Reply #371 on: July 15, 2021, 21:02:30 pm »

what information did you ask for Woody?

The cost of the East stand?
What are the East stand internal specs?
Why do we keep getting relegated?
How much did he pay to re-acquire the Chinese shares?
Why did it take you two years to show us fans these basic CGI's of the East stand?
Why did he not inform fans that the cub was under Chinese ownership?
Why has he not had the broken glass fixed?
Why, when he told NBC they had £4m to build East stand (and thus got the deal with NBC) does he, 6 years later, insist that the East stand will only get built once he has planning permission of 22 acres of land attached to the club?
What happens to the club is anything happened to DB?

Because many people have asked these questions without much of a reply.

BTW the Trust have made no assumptions or accusations in their latest statement, they are facts. (That KT and his PR machine have not denied or countered)

Our focus should be on our owners not the Trust for asking our owners, after 6 long years, for some answers as to what they plan to do with their plaything, especially if they were to get what they really want - no not promotion, not a new stand, not 24/7 income but a LAND DEAL


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« Reply #372 on: July 15, 2021, 21:11:47 pm »

Can I just offer a bit of advice to everyone. If you feel you are obsessed by this subject can I recommend you make a life size model of Andy Roberts/Kelvin Thomas out of the kids playdoh and stick pins in it whilst shouting b@stard. It’s very cathartic.
It's all very well offering cathartic advice, but where in Northampton can I get my hands on playdoh?
Will pulling my Stretch-O-Armstrong's arms have the same calming effect?  Cool
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« Reply #373 on: July 15, 2021, 21:28:58 pm »

It's all very well offering cathartic advice, but where in Northampton can I get my hands on playdoh?
Will pulling my Stretch-O-Armstrong's arms have the same calming effect?  Cool
Not sure Cat, like me you could also try a hypnotist to help you. Just make sure you put your Y-fronts on inside out, thus ensuring they will probably be the correct way round when you regain consciousness.
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« Reply #374 on: July 15, 2021, 21:37:37 pm »

Not sure Cat, like me you could also try a hypnotist to help you. Just make sure you put your Y-fronts on inside out, thus ensuring they will probably be the correct way round when you regain consciousness.
Emmm do you have his number handy?
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« Reply #375 on: July 15, 2021, 21:57:13 pm »

Emmm do you have his number handy?
Please send all correspondence care of The Governor, HM Prison Barwon, 1140 Bacchus Marsh Rd, Anakie, VIC 3212
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« Reply #376 on: July 16, 2021, 07:04:07 am »



BTW the Trust have made no assumptions or accusations in their latest statement, they are facts. (That KT and his PR machine have not denied or countered)

Our focus should be on our owners not the Trust for asking our owners, after 6 long years, for some answers as to what they plan to do with their plaything, especially if they were to get what they really want - no not promotion, not a new stand, not 24/7 income but a LAND DEAL




The great thing for you, is that you can happily bask in the knowledge that those who are doing the accusing can do so, totally safe in the knowledge that their house is in order. I mean… It would be ridiculous wouldn’t it, if anyone pointing the finger wasn’t so hot in terms of their financial management. That would be crazy wouldn’t it?

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« Reply #377 on: July 16, 2021, 07:53:04 am »


BTW the Trust have made no assumptions or accusations in their latest statement, they are facts. (That KT and his PR machine have not denied or countered)

Our focus should be on our owners not the Trust for asking our owners, after 6 long years, for some answers as to what they plan to do with their plaything, especially if they were to get what they really want - no not promotion, not a new stand, not 24/7 income but a LAND DEAL

As we understand it...
So it is entirely possible...
suggesting that they expect repayment...
It is our understanding...
We do not have greater detail about the deal in progress but...
But lines can be blurred between the interests of the football club and those of its owners, to whom the club is heavily indebted, unless there is complete clarity of intent.

There are some very good and valid questions in the statement, if only the Trust had an opportunity to put them to the owners in person Huh?
I also think there needs to be an honest discussion between the owners and Trust about transparency. I don't believe the club are open enough, I think the Trust ask for too much. Without an open discussion with compromise on both sides then that will remain the case.

Its good to talk
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« Reply #378 on: July 16, 2021, 08:42:24 am »

The great thing for you, is that you can happily bask in the knowledge that those who are doing the accusing can do so, totally safe in the knowledge that their house is in order. I mean… It would be ridiculous wouldn’t it, if anyone pointing the finger wasn’t so hot in terms of their financial management. That would be crazy wouldn’t it?



don't think it is the same thing, unless the Trust have their business and bank accounts registered off-shore, sold shares in UK companies but didn't tell the authorities and then load £m's of debt onto the Trust.

Do you think the land deal suggested by the club is acceptable?



 
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« Reply #379 on: July 16, 2021, 08:56:19 am »

As we understand it...
So it is entirely possible...
suggesting that they expect repayment...
It is our understanding...
We do not have greater detail about the deal in progress but...
But lines can be blurred between the interests of the football club and those of its owners, to whom the club is heavily indebted, unless there is complete clarity of intent.

There are some very good and valid questions in the statement, if only the Trust had an opportunity to put them to the owners in person Huh?
I also think there needs to be an honest discussion between the owners and Trust about transparency. I don't believe the club are open enough, I think the Trust ask for too much. Without an open discussion with compromise on both sides then that will remain the case.

Its good to talk

May i suggest you read the statement again, as the words you use above are not part of accusations, they are generally comments / thoughts / analysis of the situation.

"as we understand it" talks about the accounts. They don't have access to any accounts other than those published with Companies House, which have minimal information on them. The club never published the details of the Charlie Goode deal but around £1m was mooted.

Do you think that the Trust should not comment about the financial situation at the football club?

Do you think that the Trust should not ask questions about ownership, multi-million pound deals & Chinese monies?

More importantly....

Do you think that the Trust should not put pressure on owners that have overseen another relegation, have loaded the club with £6m of debt with zero increase in assets?

Do you think that the Trust should not ask the owners, that 6 years after promising to build the East stand using their £4m, exactly what the, now only £3m (6 years later) East stand will actually consist of and when will we see actual plans?

Do you think that the Trust should not question the integrity and motives of our owners after a history of broken promises and operating through shrouded secrecy of off-shore holdings and bank accounts?


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