Shoemender
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It always strikes me that throughout this whole drama and indeed over a million views and 20k posts on the Redevelopment thread that it was all so avoidable.
A loan, however badly implemented, and a land option that done properly could and should have given every partner what they wanted and needed. The Council with a redeveloped asset of theirs, the club with an improved stadium on the original plans with hotel and conference centre, the council loan repaid in full, the owners at the time sitting pretty with a good return and the club debt repaid. Buckinghams and other partners paid for the work they carried out in full. Everyone happy and no one losing out.
Even when things were going sideways DC could have bailed out with the offers of £23 million to buy the land and settle up. Instead we have the sh1tshow we have. The council slated and taxpayers out of pocket, Cardozas disgraced and rightly so, the Bushey boys still seemingly out of reach by the plod, Mackintosh somewhere out there, the club nearly lost but it wasn’t thankfully. The various groups of us arguing the toss over tax rules and people’s intentions.
The main constant is us the fans. Before, during and after. No particular reason for this post other than I’ll be glad when something is finished.
Roll on the start of the season. UTC FTP.
It could all have been avoided a while before we even got the loan. If only the lib dems hadn’t stopped all out of town development until 2027 or whenever it was and Cardoza was allowed to carry out his building plans, things could have been so different, maybe. Fukking Lib Dem’s, they make me so mad.
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Larry
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It could all have been avoided a while before we even got the loan. If only the lib dems hadn’t stopped all out of town development until 2027 or whenever it was and Cardoza was allowed to carry out his building plans, things could have been so different, maybe. Fukking Lib Dem’s, they make me so mad.
Yes and the Cardozas would have ploughed all the money they gained back into the club...
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Shoemender
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Yes and the Cardozas would have ploughed all the money they gained back into the club...
Who knows. This was long before the loan and long before the finger of suspicion was pointed at Cardoza and he had some fairly elaborate plans for redevelopment. Remember the picture in the Chron with him and Tony Clarke and the plans. He obviously wouldn’t have “ploughed all the money” back into the club but he may well have given us a far better ground and who knows, may have still been here. We’ll never know. I do know that not much has changed though since Sickfields opened.
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Shoemender
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Who knows. This was long before the loan and long before the finger of suspicion was pointed at Cardoza and he had some fairly elaborate plans for redevelopment. Remember the picture in the Chron with him and Tony Clarke and the plans. He obviously wouldn’t have “ploughed all the money” back into the club but he may well have given us a far better ground and who knows, may have still been here. We’ll never know. I do know that not much has changed though since Sickfields opened.
https://images.app.goo.gl/k3dgM2K6yH95RUEz5
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Shoemender
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Imagine that. Pipe dream I know, but slightly better than what’s been imagined since. If only.
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Larry
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That was to get the loan. You do know how they got their money in the first place?
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Terryfenwickatemyhamster
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It always strikes me that throughout this whole drama and indeed over a million views and 20k posts on the Redevelopment thread that it was all so avoidable.
A loan, however badly implemented, and a land option that done properly could and should have given every partner what they wanted and needed. The Council with a redeveloped asset of theirs, the club with an improved stadium on the original plans with hotel and conference centre, the council loan repaid in full, the owners at the time sitting pretty with a good return and the club debt repaid. Buckinghams and other partners paid for the work they carried out in full. Everyone happy and no one losing out.
Even when things were going sideways DC could have bailed out with the offers of £23 million to buy the land and settle up. Instead we have the sh1tshow we have. The council slated and taxpayers out of pocket, Cardozas disgraced and rightly so, the Bushey boys still seemingly out of reach by the plod, Mackintosh somewhere out there, the club nearly lost but it wasn’t thankfully. The various groups of us arguing the toss over tax rules and people’s intentions.
The main constant is us the fans. Before, during and after. No particular reason for this post other than I’ll be glad when something is finished.
Roll on the start of the season. UTC FTP.
Agree entirely mate. That is exactly why I lay the blame squarely at the councils and the politicians doors. They are the protectors of the public purse. In Cardozas case, the money should have been ring fenced into a scheduled building scheme, released at stages throughout the development. In terms of DB and KT, the money that was promised should have been put into a trust account (not the Trust account 😀) and a limited ground lease awarded based on proof of intent to undergo the promised works. They did not protect the club, the people of Northampton, and certainly not the supporters and employees of NTFC. Yet they get off without an ounce of scrutiny or blame.
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Shoemender
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That was to get the loan. You do know how they got their money in the first place?
Er no. They were the plans Cardoza and Tony Clarke presented before the Lib Dem’s got in and scuppered his plans even though they said they were the party to take the club forward. The “loan” came a few years later. Not bothered how they got their money if they could and possibly would have taken the club forward. Unless of course it was somewhat heinous. Not condoning the Cardozas future conduct of course but if aforementioned had happened then who knows where we might be and we’d never have heard of Kelvin Thomas.
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Shoemender
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Not sure what any of this has got to do with any potential development/redevelopment that may/may not have happened in 2005.
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Melbourne Cobbler
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I think all we’ve learnt is that you wouldn’t shop on here to find a decent accountant I’m not sure about that Tone. I reckon I’ve unearthed an undiscovered talent in myself and am thinking of taking it up on a professional basis?
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Not a real supporter but unelected chair of the Northampton Town Honorary Supporters Club. (Please note: any opinions given may not necessarily be shared by proper supporters. In incidents of conflict the views of real supporters shall take precedence).
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guest49
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I’m not sure about that Tone. I reckon I’ve unearthed an undiscovered talent in myself and am thinking of taking it up on a professional basis?
They’re still trying to account for a missing £10m over here if you have a spare 5 mins.
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Melbourne Cobbler
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They’re still trying to account for a missing £10m over here if you have a spare 5 mins.
I recall hearing something about that somewhere?
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Not a real supporter but unelected chair of the Northampton Town Honorary Supporters Club. (Please note: any opinions given may not necessarily be shared by proper supporters. In incidents of conflict the views of real supporters shall take precedence).
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MCHammer
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You seem to spend a whole lot of time and energy criticising the Trust and its supporters on this site but remarkably little time criticising the club's owners. The owners are the story and it's quite a story.
If you had seen proof of payment what difference would it make to your view? Not a lot I suggest. I am sure you will continue with your Trust bashing. You are a sad case.
Wow look what we've got here. Gather round everyone we've caught a big one. If you look closely at the markings, the tone of their insults and study closely the droppings they left behind this species is easily identifiable. The common name for them is "Not A Supporters Trust Board Member". Being "Not A Supporters Trust Board Member" offers many benefits. You can regualarly insult people on social media. You can lobby local MP's/councillors against our current owners. You can occasionally even obtain and share information with "A Trust Board Member(s)". All while in the comfort of knowing it's not a problem for the Supporters Trust because you are "Not A Supporters Trust Board Member". I've asked loads of questions recently why doesn't someone else ask this person what role they've carried out for the trust over the last couple of years. Bet you don't get an honest answer with any detail. Maybe even ask them if THEY have seen the actual evidence of the Chinese payments. I thought they had been told to stand down or has the dust settled enough after the letter from club staff? If you've forgotten your original login I'm sure admin can help you and we can have a proper debate. Anything you want to dispute about what I have said recently?
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Manwork04
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Wow look what we've got here.
Gather round everyone we've caught a big one. If you look closely at the markings, the tone of their insults and study closely the droppings they left behind this species is easily identifiable. The common name for them is "Not A Supporters Trust Board Member".
Being "Not A Supporters Trust Board Member" offers many benefits. You can regualarly insult people on social media. You can lobby local MP's/councillors against our current owners. You can occasionally even obtain and share information with "A Trust Board Member(s)". All while in the comfort of knowing it's not a problem for the Supporters Trust because you are "Not A Supporters Trust Board Member".
I've asked loads of questions recently why doesn't someone else ask this person what role they've carried out for the trust over the last couple of years. Bet you don't get an honest answer with any detail. Maybe even ask them if THEY have seen the actual evidence of the Chinese payments.
I thought they had been told to stand down or has the dust settled enough after the letter from club staff? If you've forgotten your original login I'm sure admin can help you and we can have a proper debate. Anything you want to dispute about what I have said recently?
I wonder who else has seen the evidence? 🤔
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Rule Britannia
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I wonder who else has seen the evidence?
Evidence of what? Someone making money out of a business deal. So fúcking what. You lovers of the Trust are so focused on this it is comical. You bitch about the 6.8 million debt, how the fúck do you think the club would have survied with out this money being put into the club coffers? OK, now come out with the "happy clappers", "love in with KT" comments and then tell me I am wrong.
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Evidence of what? Someone making money out of a business deal. So fúcking what. You lovers of the Trust are so focused on this it is comical. You **** about the 6.8 million debt, how the fúck do you think the club would have survied with out this money being put into the club coffers? OK, now come out with the "happy clappers", "love in with KT" comments and then tell me I am wrong.
Surely 6.8 million in debt is exactly how NOT to run a business. This can only end badly.
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singcobb
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Surely 6.8 million in debt is exactly how NOT to run a business. This can only end badly.
So, you are expecting someone to gift money to a business? Or do you expect all expenses to be paid by magic?
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Manwork04
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So, you are expecting someone to gift money to a business? Or do you expect all expenses to be paid by magic?
Most socialists believe in a magic money tree so I am shocked by your comment.
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Rule Britannia
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singcobb
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Most socialists believe in a magic money tree so I am shocked by your comment.
Twát. Try saying something relevant.
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