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« Reply #160 on: August 21, 2021, 17:39:07 pm »

I'm sorry everybody, but it looks like I'm coming to jinx this one for us. Mind you it's only two or three games a season.

I blame Singcobb.
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« Reply #161 on: August 21, 2021, 17:45:05 pm »

I really don’t know where to start…… I’ll start with the substitutes which basically killed any chance we had of getting a draw, awful decision to take our best two strikers off and play a very slow non scoring one and BAS who is utterly useless.
Playing with two horribly slow fullbacks in a 4 is a recipe for disaster, add to that Sid Nelson and you get what we deserved.
I will leave with a special mention for Lewis………what does he do well? I’m at a loss how pollock isn’t in that side.
We need a couple more players, a Center mid and another Center half.
How Mills is getting in the team ahead of Kioki only Brady knows.
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« Reply #162 on: August 21, 2021, 17:45:57 pm »

You are right. Everything points to a Cobblers win. So I will be betting on 1-3 Rochdale 😂🤣😂

Good call Gen. Hope you got your bet on.
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« Reply #163 on: August 21, 2021, 17:48:39 pm »

I really don’t know where to start…… I’ll start with the substitutes which basically killed any chance we had of getting a draw, awful decision to take our best two strikers off and play a very slow non scoring one and BAS who is utterly useless.
Playing with two horribly slow fullbacks in a 4 is a recipe for disaster, add to that Sid Nelson and you get what we deserved.
I will leave with a special mention for Lewis………what does he do well? I’m at a loss how pollock isn’t in that side.
We need a couple more players, a Center mid and another Center half.
How Mills is getting in the team ahead of Kioki only Brady knows.

Lewis was woeful.
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« Reply #164 on: August 21, 2021, 17:59:14 pm »

appalling display .
No width , no penetration , no strength , no brains .
They out played us in every position on the pitch .
We need more creativity , better movement , more composure , more desire.
No positives whatsoever out of that game .
Let’s hope it’s a blip and we move on .

Short and sweet. Hits the nail on the head for me.
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« Reply #165 on: August 21, 2021, 18:01:04 pm »

I really don’t know where to start…… I’ll start with the substitutes which basically killed any chance we had of getting a draw, awful decision to take our best two strikers off and play a very slow non scoring one and BAS who is utterly useless.
Playing with two horribly slow fullbacks in a 4 is a recipe for disaster, add to that Sid Nelson and you get what we deserved.
I will leave with a special mention for Lewis………what does he do well? I’m at a loss how pollock isn’t in that side.
We need a couple more players, a Center mid and another Center half.
How Mills is getting in the team ahead of Kioki only Brady knows.

Very very strange subs I must admit.

The poor guys coming on stood no chance of winning any of Nelsons 500 odd punts up field. Their defence dominated and it’s baffling that the management didn’t try something different.
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« Reply #166 on: August 21, 2021, 18:12:01 pm »

It was all so safe. Sideways and backwards and then inevitably all that was left was for Nelson to thump it long. Need some creativity on the pitch. Pollock or Flores over Lewis for me.
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« Reply #167 on: August 21, 2021, 18:18:29 pm »

I really don’t know where to start…… I’ll start with the substitutes which basically killed any chance we had of getting a draw, awful decision to take our best two strikers off and play a very slow non scoring one and BAS who is utterly useless.
Playing with two horribly slow fullbacks in a 4 is a recipe for disaster, add to that Sid Nelson and you get what we deserved.
I will leave with a special mention for Lewis………what does he do well? I’m at a loss how pollock isn’t in that side.
We need a couple more players, a Center mid and another Center half.
How Mills is getting in the team ahead of Kioki only Brady knows.
You say we need another centre mid and centre half......look in the squad, Pollock and Horsfall....easy, next!
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« Reply #168 on: August 21, 2021, 18:22:06 pm »

We always seem to reserve our worst performances for when we play Rochdale. That was horrific, our full backs were simply roasted by their wingers, particularly Mills in the second half, how many crosses went in from our left. The second goal was bad enough (Brady thought it was onside), but that third goal beggars belief, we lost the ball in their half and they run the length of the pitch to score. I know it didn't make any difference to the result but that goal could become important by the end of the season.

As for the subs, I said as soon as I saw BAS and Rose come on that would be the end of our scoring and that was exactly what happened. Etete and Kabamba weren't doing particularly well but they were far more likely to score than BAS and Rose, although to be fair to all four of them we didn't create much for them, just like last season.

I would have liked to see Koiki come on for Hoskins just to see if he could create something with his dribbling skills, no one else seems to be able to beat a man.

On a final note I hate it when managers and players say 'we can't win every game', 'there will be twists and turns along the way' - yes we know that, and don't need to be told, it almost seems like an excuse for losing to me, when in reality Rochdale were the better side. Let's not forget they had four players out with Covid and one with concussion.
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« Reply #169 on: August 21, 2021, 18:23:13 pm »

I blame Singcobb.
He's got to go!!!
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« Reply #170 on: August 21, 2021, 18:33:40 pm »

We are playing a flat back 4 who do not go beyond the half way line and 2 holding midfielders that are getting over run every game .
The luxury players are the wide men that are playing very narrow .
This has to change and i agree that Flores or Pollock has to play unless the full backs push on more .
Kabamba was awful today and he 100% deserved hooking off . I would have kept Etete on with Rose and taken Hoskins off for Koiki .
Sammy was terrible today and JB should have changed it much earlier in a different way .
The system we are playing isn’t right and it has to change .
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« Reply #171 on: August 21, 2021, 18:46:26 pm »

Apart from the goal we never troubled their 'keeper and did not look likely to. The first half was pretty even but we resorted to pumping long balls forward instead of getting the ball on the deck and trying to be ceative. As with last season you begin to wonder where  the goals are coming from as we looked bereft of creativity today.
Taking off both strikers together was a strange call although neither were having great games.
Rochdale were far the better side in the second half and fully deserved the 3 points but remember this was a team that had to sell 3 of their best players and had 4-5 others either isolating or injured. They are now made up of the remaining experienced players and a bunch of kids, they have 5-6 on loan.
On another note I see Harry Smith scored for Orient today and Tshimanga beat 3 defenders and slotted the ball home for Chesterfield, strange that no league club signed him.
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« Reply #172 on: August 21, 2021, 19:03:55 pm »

That’s all fair comment Bungle but there are deeper concerns for me...We had barely an option for our player in possession second half... I can accept a poor pass, a shot off target, a mistimed tackle, but lack of effort and commitment?

Ok, but I'd argue that our lack of movement is primarily a personnel issue rather than a 'lack of effort' issue.

When an L2 centre back receives the ball it takes a supreme effort of will to avoid bypassing the midfield and lumping it forward to a 6'6 centre forward (even one like Etete who is probably better with his feet): it will always be the easiest and most tempting option.

If you put Pollock or Flores in there it gives the defence someone in midfield who actively wants the ball and is comfortable in receiving possession - result: fewer long balls.

Similarly, if McWilliams gets the ball as a DM he will be tempted to lump it forward unless he has a midfield partner with the nous and attacking spirit to take up an advanced position 'between the lines' or a natural winger making a run on the overlap. Lewis doesn't move like a creative midfielder; Hoskins doesn't move like a winger. Personnel matters.

Rochdale were Covid-ravaged but you can't help but compare their selection of Odoh, a 20-year old attacking midfielder who passed us off the park and scored their third, with Scott Pollock who languished on the bench whilst our pedestrian midfield played statues.

Of course, the other elephant in the room is whether 4-4-2 is simply too prehistoric and inflexible against a side playing a modern formation like Dale's 3-4-3. There's certainly a reason why no Prem sides and even very few L1 sides play 4-4-2 these days - it's too easy to combat if you have the wide players to pull the oppositions' full backs out of position.

 










 

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« Reply #173 on: August 21, 2021, 19:39:10 pm »

Ok, but I'd argue that our lack of movement is primarily a personnel issue rather than a 'lack of effort' issue.

When an L2 centre back receives the ball it takes a supreme effort of will to avoid bypassing the midfield and lumping it forward to a 6'6 centre forward (even one like Etete who is probably better with his feet): it will always be the easiest and most tempting option.

If you put Pollock or Flores in there it gives the defence someone in midfield who actively wants the ball and is comfortable in receiving possession - result: fewer long balls.

Similarly, if McWilliams gets the ball as a DM he will be tempted to lump it forward unless he has a midfield partner with the nous and attacking spirit to take up an advanced position 'between the lines' or a natural winger making a run on the overlap. Lewis doesn't move like a creative midfielder; Hoskins doesn't move like a winger. Personnel matters.

Rochdale were Covid-ravaged but you can't help but compare their selection of Odoh, a 20-year old attacking midfielder who passed us off the park and scored their third, with Scott Pollock who languished on the bench whilst our pedestrian midfield played statues.

Of course, the other elephant in the room is whether 4-4-2 is simply too prehistoric and inflexible against a side playing a modern formation like Dale's 3-4-3. There's certainly a reason why no Prem sides and even very few L1 sides play 4-4-2 these days - it's too easy to combat if you have the wide players to pull the oppositions' full backs out of position.

 










 


i think you can play 4 4 2 but as long as the full backs push on .
Our full backs are static and so there is never an outlet .
JB is a very good coach and quite clearly knows more than any of us and so i’m sure he will make adjustments .
I think he doesn’t trust his ball playing midfielders defensively …
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« Reply #174 on: August 21, 2021, 19:58:38 pm »

He's got to go!!!

Sorry guys
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« Reply #175 on: August 21, 2021, 20:12:28 pm »

An abject performance and performance is the significant word in all this. Every supporter I have ever known expects their players to put in effort and commitment. There was none. They should all hold their heads in shame. You can talk about tactics all night long but none can compensate for what we saw today. Brady showed himself up last season with his choices midstream so they should come as no surprise. Have we really filled the weaknesses we had last season? Excuses won't cut it. I am trying desperately to find a positive player contribution. Can't.
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« Reply #176 on: August 21, 2021, 20:43:53 pm »

I’ve been questioning Mills’ ability ever since he joined.

I’ve also watched every minute McGowan has played for us, he’s looked like a competition winner each and every time he’s played.

They both get turned inside out each and every game.

It’s good the majority are coming round to my way of thinking. Hopefully Brady catches on soon.
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« Reply #177 on: August 21, 2021, 21:34:33 pm »

Mills was successful at Forest Green as a wing back, but when KC played him in that role in league 1 he got found out at times. McGowan does lack pace but is a more than capable right back as is Harriman.

I was more disappointed today with our midfield and creativity, particularly Shaun McWilliams. Sid Nelson also has received some unfair stick, I thought he was dominant in the air with one great crunching tackle in the 2nd half. He is a perfectly good deputy to Horsfall & Guthrie.
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« Reply #178 on: August 21, 2021, 21:36:44 pm »

i think you can play 4 4 2 but as long as the full backs push on .
Our full backs are static and so there is never an outlet .
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I think he doesn’t trust his ball playing midfielders defensively …

This - I'm sure you're right. I don't think he trusts Connolly defensively either, which is why Hoskins has come straight back in.

However, I'm really sick and tired of this 'safety first' mentality. He needs to pick Pollock or Flores, put a proper winger in instead of Hoskins and have faith that we'll win through a combination of keeping possession, outscoring the opposition and the strength of our defensive spine which should be good enough at this level (McWilliams, Horsfall, Guthrie, Roberts).

This season should partly be about finally moving beyond Curle style anti-football and developing a more progressive style of play-  I expect more from Brady on that front.





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« Reply #179 on: August 21, 2021, 21:48:47 pm »

A miserable afternoon. Second best throughout and Rochdale thoroughly deserved their win. They must be delighted. We didn't begin to have their threat or their fluidity.
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