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« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2021, 14:35:36 pm »

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, they can’t all be correct though.
Got to the ground late and trying to find somewhere to bloody park…… are you still in the UK?

No back in The Fatherland.
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« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2021, 14:41:23 pm »

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, they can’t all be correct though.
Got to the ground late and trying to find somewhere to bloody park…… are you still in the UK?

You'll be well fúcked when all of these extra fans start to turn up then(not).
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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2021, 14:51:23 pm »

You'll be well fúcked when all of these extra fans start to turn up then(not).

We wouldn't be if we had kept the South car park.....!!

Plenty of places to park anyway....Duston Mill car park (£3) had loads of room on Saturday.

As for the "build it and they will come analogy"......well, its hard to prove or disprove isn't it? Our crowds increased immeasurably after we left the County Ground and started at Sixfields, even though the County Ground had a greater capacity.
MK Dons left the National Hockey Stadium and went to Stadium MK, crowds doubled. Ok, still only a quarter to a third full but they increased. As has been pointed out, flexibility to do things like offer discounted season tickets this season. For a club with no supporter base and no history they aren't doing too bad on the attendances front.  Not to mention that their fantastic ground can be used by others (England U21's played there on Monday night, and despite there only being a crowd of 5781 i'm sure MK got a decent bit of cash from the FA for the hire of the ground)

Doncasters crowds between Belle View and the Keepmoat were like chalk and cheese, whereas Colchester between Layer Road and the new Community Stadium are very similar.

I don't think a case is proven either way when it comes to capacity and facilities.....
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« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2021, 14:53:55 pm »

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, they can’t all be correct though.
Got to the ground late and trying to find somewhere to bloody park…… are you still in the UK?

Do you see now where you are going wrong? An opinioin is just that, an opinion and every opinion is correct.
Your problem is that you think your opinions are fact.
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« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2021, 15:30:25 pm »

In 2018 Northants had a population of 747,622 which represented 1.33 % of the total for England (in fractions 1/73).

On that basis we ought to be able to sustain a top League 2 team with some ease (probably a lot better than that given the greater density and need for fewer teams in the large conurbations).

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« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2021, 16:40:12 pm »

Tocal ownership. I'm against fan ownership. If we happened to have a moneybags fan who wanted to buy and run the club then actually, brilliant, that's the best of both worlds. A ragtag collection of individuals coming together to pool their pennies would spell disaster though, especially if (and I'm genuinely sorry to say this) the current Trust were anywhere near it.
I continue to be amazed that some people think that if we were a fan run club the people running it would be someone recruited from the Job Centre. DC and KT have both employed qualified people for the key positions and the Trust would do exactly the same, just like all the other fan owned clubs  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2021, 16:49:09 pm »

I continue to be amazed that some people think that if we were a fan run club the people running it would be someone recruited from the Job Centre. DC and KT have both employed qualified people for the key positions and the Trust would do exactly the same, just like all the other fan owned clubs  Roll Eyes

I think we're all aware of that, thanks. However, as everyone is at pains to point out, our CEO is given strategic direction by the owners. The strategic direction likely to come from the Trust would see us out of business in no time flat.
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« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2021, 16:55:50 pm »

In 2018 Northants had a population of 747,622 which represented 1.33 % of the total for England (in fractions 1/73).

On that basis we ought to be able to sustain a top League 2 team with some ease (probably a lot better than that given the greater density and need for fewer teams in the large conurbations).



Factor out the rugger buggers and those that just don't like football(probably 90% of women), kids who have grown up on Sky Sports and the Premiers***e and support Manure or the like and your catchment starts shrinking very quickly. Don't forget we have to compete against the really big clubs like Brackley, Kettering and the Dimones.
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« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2021, 17:01:16 pm »

I think we're all aware of that, thanks. However, as everyone is at pains to point out, our CEO is given strategic direction by the owners. The strategic direction likely to come from the Trust would see us out of business in no time flat.

Is that a fact?
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« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2021, 17:22:42 pm »

Moves and counter moves.
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers-appoint-local-businessman-as-new-associate-director-3378717
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« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2021, 17:31:16 pm »

Is that a fact?

No, just my considered opinion, given the evidence provided by every recent press release and various social media hissy fits from certain board members (present company excepted).
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« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2021, 18:30:30 pm »


Probably worth mentioning that said individual set himself up a new company just three weeks ago.... Dove Property and Developments Limited.....
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« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2021, 18:48:13 pm »

Probably worth mentioning that said individual set himself up a new company just three weeks ago.... Dove Property and Developments Limited.....

And under tendering law he would not be allowed to tender for any contracts for NTFC Ltd. However it would not exclude him from tendering for contracts issued not directly involving NTFC Ltd. So one can possibly infer from this that contracts could be in the offing for any land developments.
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« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2021, 19:05:33 pm »

And under tendering law he would not be allowed to tender for any contracts for NTFC Ltd. However it would not exclude him from tendering for contracts issued not directly involving NTFC Ltd. So one can possibly infer from this that contracts could be in the offing for any land developments.

As the land is held by and leased by County Developments Northampton Limited I guess this is a way round that particular issue.....?
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« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2021, 19:09:10 pm »

Probably worth mentioning that said individual set himself up a new company just three weeks ago.... Dove Property and Developments Limited.....

Surely the Trust would be ecstatic that local businessmen are getting involved with the club.  Or is this not the right type?
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« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2021, 19:35:40 pm »

As the land is held by and leased by County Developments Northampton Limited I guess this is a way round that particular issue.....?

As I said he cannot be considered for contracts for NTFC ltd, anything else is fair game, so I doubt they will be working on the East Stand.
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« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2021, 19:36:43 pm »

Surely the Trust would be ecstatic that local businessmen are getting involved with the club.  Or is this not the right type?

Is there any need for that? Really?
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« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2021, 20:36:06 pm »

I think we're all aware of that, thanks. However, as everyone is at pains to point out, our CEO is given strategic direction by the owners. The strategic direction likely to come from the Trust would see us out of business in no time flat.

What is the current strategic direction by the owners?  Run up as much debt as possible to match their Chinese money for some reason?

Did you see the Exeter comparison earlier?  Exactly how is our club run better than theirs? 



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« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2021, 20:36:36 pm »

Taken from June 2020 accounts

Cash in Bank     Us:  136,265       Exeter:   1,273,755   

Total Assets Less Current Liabilities:    Us: - 4,489,388   Exeter: +2,052,045

Debts (Creditors within 1 year)  Us 7,596,344    Exeter 2,202,777

Shareholder Funds   Us: -4,660,559    Exeter + 1,652,571

I have not cherry picked to suit, these are from the balance sheets.  Every single one we are not only getting beaten we are being thrashed.

So exactly how are Exeter - supporter owned, in a worse position than us with our want away land developer owners. Please please tell me


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« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2021, 20:39:28 pm »

I continue to be amazed that some people think that if we were a fan run club the people running it would be someone recruited from the Job Centre. DC and KT have both employed qualified people for the key positions and the Trust would do exactly the same, just like all the other fan owned clubs  Roll Eyes

There lies the problem. None running the Trust should be anywhere near the decision making. Who would be responsible for appointing a manager for example? The Trust board cannot even organise a meeting or a PowerPoint so who would be on the NTFC board? How and who would appoint the Directors?
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