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« Reply #140 on: August 06, 2022, 16:13:08 pm »

Wow that was bad, nonexistent midfield, McWilliams, Pinnock had absolute shockers as did Appere, Shaun jogged around like he’d been on the pîss last night, Pinnock had one of his can’t be aršed games, last 10mins they basically just ran through us.
Bowie a massive upgrade on Appere who was dreadful again.
Maglorie wasn’t great at right back and they constantly attacked down his side.
Still a points a point, 2 points a game win the league.
Hoskins had another good game and was my MoTM.
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« Reply #141 on: August 06, 2022, 16:13:47 pm »

Wonder what the haters will say?
As someone pointed out on another thread, "haters" is not the word. Everyone has their own favourite players and others that they don't rate, but I very much doubt that they "hate" those players, at least whilst they are still playing for NTFC
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« Reply #142 on: August 06, 2022, 16:14:58 pm »

As someone pointed out on another thread, "haters" is not the word. Everyone has their own favourite players and others that they don't rate, but I very much doubt that they "hate" those players, at least whilst they are still playing for NTFC
People of limited intelligence have to put a label on everything.
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« Reply #143 on: August 06, 2022, 16:19:16 pm »

I thought that Fox might get a run out based on how much we were getting overrun. I know he’s o lot just come back from injury but could have helped with some experience of playing with the opposition players. Etc.

Looking forward to Odimayo coming back, and McGowern of course.
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« Reply #144 on: August 06, 2022, 16:29:05 pm »

The team will click. Going to take time. Lots of new players to bed in.

Still very early....it was only in preseason people on here were jumping on Bowie's performanes.

The sooner Brady gets back to 4-2-3-1 the better though.
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« Reply #145 on: August 06, 2022, 16:43:38 pm »

The team will click. Going to take time. Lots of new players to bed in.

Still very early....it was only in preseason people on here were jumping on Bowie's performanes.

The sooner Brady gets back to 4-2-3-1 the better though.

How would you like the up up-top? Hylton as a target man with Bowie, Pinnock and Hoskins playing around him for knock downs and flick ons?
I really liked Appere last season, but wasn’t impressed by his start this season. Hopefully he’s just a bit off of form.
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« Reply #146 on: August 06, 2022, 16:55:26 pm »

Wonder what the haters will say?

Cant be bothered to write it out again so this will have to do

Of all the comments made by fans I always think this is the most ridiculous. Hatred?

When Hoskins is selected ahead of another player does Jon Brady "Hate" that other player?
Does Southgate "Hate" Ramsdale if he picks Pickford?
Did Alf Ramsay "Hate" Jimmy Greaves when he selected Geoff Hurst in the World Cup final?
Of course not. They just preferred one player to another in one system or another. It was their choice; they didn't hate anybody, and nobody was stupid enough to suggest they did.

People have different opinions on what Hoskins brings to the team and I understand both sides of the argument. Hoskins is hard working, versatile and does chip in with the odd goal now and again. His versatility is what has kept him at the club all these years under several managers. He's useful cover.

However, let's not kid ourselves. The only reason any player remains at the same club at our level for such a long stretch of time is because they have never been quite good enough to go anywhere higher. Ian Sampson is the perfect example. A club legend without doubt making 449 appearances but does anybody doubt for one second that if he had been good enough for a move to a bigger club in a higher league, he wouldn't have taken it? Of course, he would.

Hoskins versatility is his major plus point but also his downfall. He can play as a striker, a winger, a full back, a midfielder. The only problem is he is average at best in all of them. Does anybody know his actual position?

I understand completely where Manwork, Irchy cob and southofthecounty are coming from. I've no idea how many players have been signed since Hoskins first arrived, it's got to be 50 or 60, maybe more than that but he still maintains a starting place. It's like we've never got better, preferring to stand still. We've replaced all the other parts of the team accept this one. All those players signed, all that money spent yet here we are still back in square one.

Everbrite may be right. Hoskins could yet be our top scorer again next season, especially if he keeps hold of the penalty taking duties. But that won't be a good thing for it means we are destined for more of the same. A top scorer that has scored 35 league goals over the last 5 seasons just isn't going to cut it.

I like Hoskins, he is a useful member of the squad but he should not be a regular starter and no, that doesn't mean I "Hate" him, it means I think we could and by now should have got better.


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« Reply #147 on: August 06, 2022, 16:57:45 pm »

As someone pointed out on another thread, "haters" is not the word. Everyone has their own favourite players and others that they don't rate, but I very much doubt that they "hate" those players, at least whilst they are still playing for NTFC

Yes jolly good opinion !  Unfortunately some of the opinion on Hoskins is pure vindictive personal abuse. You should know thie difference by now! When people start criticising Hoskins; example his hight, it looks like they are devoid of rational opinion/idea  and abusive ignorant comments follow.
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« Reply #148 on: August 06, 2022, 17:00:44 pm »


The sooner Brady gets back to 4-2-3-1 the better though.

This.

Our tactics today were quite reminiscent of our early games last season: a rigid and static 4-4-2 with sub 45% possession.

Hylton's arrival has made playing two up front possible again. However, the problem remains that 4-4-2 is simply not a good fit
for our first-choice midfield personnel. Sowerby and McWilliams both like to sit deep and are best deployed as deep-lying midfielders in a pivot.
Neither is particularly comfortable driving forward, arriving late in the box or acting as an advanced playmaker threading in through balls - all important attributes which at least one of the CMs should have in a 4-4-2.

The other issue is that neither Hoskins or Pinnock are the out-and-out wingers which you need to make a 4-4-2 work. Hoskins' strength is cutting inside and running at pace with the ball at his feet. He's had a brilliant start to the season, but crossing is not his strong suit and he's always a lot more effective in 4-2-3-1.
On the other hand, Pinnock has great crossing ability but his defensive-pressing deficiencies are much more exposed in a 4-4-2 and he's also much more effective when he's allowed to drift inside.

The two options really are 3-5-2/3-4-3 and 4-2-3-1. Hoskins' excellent form makes him pretty much undroppable at the moment and the only way he could be reasonably accommodated in a 3-5-2 would be as a wing-back.

This is what I'd play in a 4-2-3-1:

                       Burge

     Lintott/Magloire  Shearing Guthrie Koiki

                    Sowerby  McWilliams

          Hoskins    Fox/Leonard/Appere     Pinnock

                         Hylton (Bowie/Appere)


 I'd give Fox a go as a no.10 but also experiment with Leonard
 in there - with his Brighton pedigree I'd be surprised if he couldn't add
 some creative spark. I'd also give Appere a go as one of the three behind the
 lone striker, because he showed encouraging signs of developing
 into a promising deep-lying creative forward last season and got
 plenty of assists.

 We also desperately need an Eppiah-style forward with pace to add to our options
 in the attacking triumvirate. The demolition of Leyton Orient away should have been
the template for Brady's tactics this season.

Overall it's a solid start but we need to switch things up tactically if we're serious about creating enough chances
to go one better and achieve that elusive promotion.



  
 



 




 
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« Reply #149 on: August 06, 2022, 17:42:15 pm »

How would you like the up up-top? Hylton as a target man with Bowie, Pinnock and Hoskins playing around him for knock downs and flick ons?
I really liked Appere last season, but wasn’t impressed by his start this season. Hopefully he’s just a bit off of form.

Exactly that.

Appere has a lot of qualitys and feel like he will get going again. He contributed alot towards the back end. However Hylton up top is game plan A everytime.

The back 5 got a lot of credit and deservedly so but they never looked same without the pivot infront of them imo

The difference is this season with players like Bowie, Hylton,  Fox and lad from Brighton we appear to have more capability in players on the ball playing Infront of the pivot. Which in my head was Brady's game plan.

I've zero time for 4-4-2.



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« Reply #150 on: August 06, 2022, 18:08:59 pm »

Thought the support today was superb, vociferous and at times aggressive.
Certainly sounded and looked more than a the circa is 490’ish posted on here!
Hoskins goal was superb, quite an angle too! If they had Hoskins they would have won!
Burge made some important saves 2nd half! All the same we need a midfielder, pacy winger and somebody who can help score goals (like Hoskins)! We were over-run last 15mins but still kept then out.
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« Reply #151 on: August 06, 2022, 18:26:04 pm »

Highlights are up.

https://www.skysports.com/football/grimsby-town-vs-northampton-town/report/468395
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« Reply #152 on: August 06, 2022, 18:30:40 pm »

This.

Our tactics today were quite reminiscent of our early games last season: a rigid and static 4-4-2 with sub 45% possession.

Hylton's arrival has made playing two up front possible again. However, the problem remains that 4-4-2 is simply not a good fit
for our first-choice midfield personnel. Sowerby and McWilliams both like to sit deep and are best deployed as deep-lying midfielders in a pivot.
Neither is particularly comfortable driving forward, arriving late in the box or acting as an advanced playmaker threading in through balls - all important attributes which at least one of the CMs should have in a 4-4-2.

The other issue is that neither Hoskins or Pinnock are the out-and-out wingers which you need to make a 4-4-2 work. Hoskins' strength is cutting inside and running at pace with the ball at his feet. He's had a brilliant start to the season, but crossing is not his strong suit and he's always a lot more effective in 4-2-3-1.
On the other hand, Pinnock has great crossing ability but his defensive-pressing deficiencies are much more exposed in a 4-4-2 and he's also much more effective when he's allowed to drift inside.

The two options really are 3-5-2/3-4-3 and 4-2-3-1. Hoskins' excellent form makes him pretty much undroppable at the moment and the only way he could be reasonably accommodated in a 3-5-2 would be as a wing-back.

This is what I'd play in a 4-2-3-1:

                       Burge

     Lintott/Magloire  Shearing Guthrie Koiki

                    Sowerby  McWilliams

          Hoskins    Fox/Leonard/Appere     Pinnock

                         Hylton (Bowie/Appere)


 I'd give Fox a go as a no.10 but also experiment with Leonard
 in there - with his Brighton pedigree I'd be surprised if he couldn't add
 some creative spark. I'd also give Appere a go as one of the three behind the
 lone striker, because he showed encouraging signs of developing
 into a promising deep-lying creative forward last season and got
 plenty of assists.

 We also desperately need an Eppiah-style forward with pace to add to our options
 in the attacking triumvirate. The demolition of Leyton Orient away should have been
the template for Brady's tactics this season.

Overall it's a solid start but we need to switch things up tactically if we're serious about creating enough chances
to go one better and achieve that elusive promotion.




  
 



 




 

We haven’t got the players to do this .
None of fox , Appere or Leonard are number 10s .
Appere is better running on rather than playing deep and the other 2 are predominantly defensive players not attacking players .
Until we get an Eppiah i think we will be a closing team fighting for scraps and eventually we will play 3 at the back when players return
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« Reply #153 on: August 06, 2022, 19:09:35 pm »


Typical Sky, can't resist an advert can they? The picture was a bit jumpy for me but Sammy's goal looked good, and he's started the season well. Hopefully no one will come in for him !
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« Reply #154 on: August 06, 2022, 19:27:20 pm »

Fair result. Grimsby would have felt aggrieved if they didn’t come away with at least a point
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« Reply #155 on: August 06, 2022, 19:31:22 pm »

Thought the support today was superb, vociferous and at times aggressive.
Certainly sounded and looked more than a the circa is 490’ish posted on here!
Hoskins goal was superb, quite an angle too! If they had Hoskins they would have won!
Burge made some important saves 2nd half! All the same we need a midfielder, pacy winger and somebody who can help score goals (like Hoskins)! We were over-run last 15mins but still kept then out.


I was surprised when ilthey said the away attendance. Looked more like 540 to me.
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« Reply #156 on: August 06, 2022, 19:45:18 pm »

Quote from Marvo:
Of all the comments made by fans I always think this is the most ridiculous. Hatred?

It’s ironic that a post condemning extreme emotion should start with such an extreme comment - “most ridiculous”?
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« Reply #157 on: August 06, 2022, 19:48:30 pm »

Afternoon all from le Montagne des Singes in Alsace.

Are you in France Bingers. I’d have never have known it?
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« Reply #158 on: August 06, 2022, 20:17:35 pm »

Fair result. Grimsby would have felt aggrieved if they didn’t come away with at least a point

Pretty poor attendance as usual, cobblers to be fair.  How can a town of 300k+ only muster 400 fans?  What really troubles me is that a mouse in the osmond stand farted yet managed to make more noise than your travelling hordes (LOL).  s*** team s*** fans, thank fûck east Northants contains ‘better quality’, I.e not born in Northants loud mouthed no marks.  U T F M from Higham Ferrers
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« Reply #159 on: August 06, 2022, 20:22:51 pm »

Pretty poor attendance as usual, cobblers to be fair.  How can a town of 300k+ only muster 400 fans?  What really troubles me is that a mouse in the osmond stand farted yet managed to make more noise than your travelling hordes (LOL).  **** team **** fans, thank fûck east Northants contains ‘better quality’, I.e not born in Northants loud mouthed no marks.  U T F M from Higham Ferrers

What is even more funny is that our 400 fans outsung yours all game.
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